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So, I am trying to find a way to easily explain the trinity concept. I had an Idea, but I would like to bounce it off some believers to make sure that I am not saying something heretical. So here it goes.

A man's name is "Bob". This Being is called Bob, he is known as "Bob" but he is also three persons. To his parents he is "son", to is wife he is "husband" and to his child he is "dad". If Bob, his wife, his parents and children are all in "Bob's" presence at the same time, he is still one "being" but also three "persons".

My concern with this example, is that "person" is also easily interchangeable with the term "role" and it is dependant upon the person's relationship with "Bob" where as we all have the same "submissive" relationship, if you will, to God.

Thoughts?
 
Hello, I am glad you posted your question because I too have had some difficulty understanding this myself and find it awkward explaining to my children in a confident nature. I myself believe that their are three distinct entities. I am a mother, nurse, referee (hehe), wife, sister ect. In this instance, the bible seems to tell me that there are three separate distinct beings. Jesus talked to the father, Jesus said the Holy Spirit would come after him. God was there when Jesus was baptized and said he was "well pleased" in front of everyone. I believe that the trinity meaning is a mystery but that there are three. I would like to hear what others think also. GOod Post. ty
 
The Trinity is evident from the Book of Genesis (Gen 1:26) to the Book of Revelations and people have struggled to define the concept for thousands of years. Just think of man trying to define God; we will only truly begin to understand when we see Him face to face.

Here are just a few thoughts:
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God
There is only One God (Deuteronomy 6:4) yet each has a different role and there is divine order in all God does.
An example of this would be the Father calling Jesus Ho' Theos (most High God in Hebrews 1:8 and yet the Son is subject to the Father in 1Corinthians 15:28.
 
I like it! It's a helpful step to understanding the trinity, as long as you are clear about its limitations. The Bible records three persons that are one, so the Son in John 17 prays to the Father, and the spirit intercedes for us.

Your illustration does not account for Bob the father talking to Bob the husband...

You've shown how one person can be three. If you can also find a way to show how three people can be one, then you've really got something going.
 
Being as the trinity doctrine is not Bible-based, but came from ancient Babylon (having a triad of Sin [the moon-god], Shamash [the sun-god], and Ishtar [goddess of fertility] among many triads of gods), a reasonable person, upon objectively examining the depth of evidence, can readily see that the trinity doctrine is false. What is some of the evidence ?

It is of great interest that none of the first century Christians, including the apostles, ever concluded that God, Jesus, and the holy spirit were three persons in one Godhead. To the contrary, these quickly showed that Jesus was subservient to his Father, God (John 14:28; 1 Cor 11:3) and that the holy spirit is "power of the Most High".(Luke 1:35)

Jesus, in encouraging his disciples to "keep on asking" concerning knowing who God is, said to his disciples: "Indeed, which father is there among you who, if his son asks for a fish, will perhaps hand him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he also asks for an egg, will hand him a scorpion? Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him !”(Luke 11:11-13) Thus, God ' gives holy spirit ', like a gift to a child, to "those asking him."

Further, at Isaiah 44:3, God says to the nation of Israel, that "I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessing upon your descendants." Hence, God's spirit or his holy spirit, is likened to ' water being poured out upon thirsty ones.' Examining this a little further, at Acts 2:4, on the day of Pentecost, those gathered there in Jerusalem, "became filled with holy spirit." In addition, at Luke 4:1, it says that Jesus, following his baptism, was "full of holy spirit." Can a person be poured out upon another individual ? Can a member of the so-called "Godhead", fill another member, as in this case Jesus ? This is not reasonable, nor scriptural.

Rather, the holy spirit is spoken of as "the free gift"(Acts 2:38), yes a free gift from God that empowers God-fearing individuals to do his work, and not a member of a trinity. When Simon, a man in Jerusalem who practiced magical arts, upon seeing the apostles ' giving' out holy spirit, requested that he too have this authority, "that anyone upon whom I lay my hands may receive holy spirit". However, Peter quickly told him that through his money, he could not "get possession of the free gift of the spirit."(Acts 8:20, 21)

The holy spirit is God's applied power, to accomplish his purpose and give strength to those being obedient, for the apostle Peter told those in the Sanhedrin, that "the God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew, hanging him upon a stake. God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.”(Acts 5:30-32)

Thus, the holy spirit is not a person, but rather is that which is God's applied power that he uses to perform his will or create what he wishes, for Psalms 104:30 says that "if you (God) send forth your spirit, they are created; and you make the face of the ground new."
 
if what u are saying is true then which do we worship. the bible says there is only one true God. They are one and the same, u cannot have one without the other. All the scripture u gave isnt saying that they are different. John 10:30 Jesus speaking here.

Acts 5:3. Acts 5:4 Peter says Ananias is lying to both the Holy Ghost and God in this scripture. puting both "entities" as the same.

if u look at both scriptures using basic math if Jesus=God and Holy Ghost=God then all 3 are equal and the same.
 
GOD thinks it the Word Speaks it the Power dies it

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Rom 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God


Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.


Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.



In the name of JESUS Christ by the power of the Holy Ghost
In GODS will


But We Must do all things in LOVE and FAITH


Love gives us the correct reason!

For the LORD Jesus Christs Glory and Honor!


Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
 
So, I am trying to find a way to easily explain the trinity concept. I had an Idea, but I would like to bounce it off some believers to make sure that I am not saying something heretical. So here it goes.

A man's name is "Bob". This Being is called Bob, he is known as "Bob" but he is also three persons. To his parents he is "son", to is wife he is "husband" and to his child he is "dad". If Bob, his wife, his parents and children are all in "Bob's" presence at the same time, he is still one "being" but also three "persons".

My concern with this example, is that "person" is also easily interchangeable with the term "role" and it is dependant upon the person's relationship with "Bob" where as we all have the same "submissive" relationship, if you will, to God.

Thoughts?

Your example is indicative of someone who has three different relationships rather than that of three persons.

If Father and Son were the same person than they would have shared the same will.
 
Being as the trinity doctrine is not Bible-based, but came from ancient Babylon (having a triad of Sin [the moon-god], Shamash [the sun-god], and Ishtar [goddess of fertility] among many triads of gods), a reasonable person, upon objectively examining the depth of evidence, can readily see that the trinity doctrine is false. What is some of the evidence ?

That argument was old and inaccurate even before it passed through a kingdom hall.

We know that there is order in all God does so it is no surprise (and in fact was already posted in this thread) that Jesus is under the Father's authority but how would you go about explaining this verse:
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
That is the Father (the ultimate source of truth) calling the Son Ho' Theos or Most High God.
As far as the Holy Spirit simply being "the power of God" how can one fellowship with impersonal power(Php 2:1 )? How an one grieve impersonal power (Eph 4:30)? how can one be led by impersonal power (Gal 5:18)? How can one be taught by an impersonal power (1Jn 2:27)? Why would a impersonal power have a Name (Matthew 28:19)?
How could you receive Counsel from an impersonal power (John 14:16-17)?

The Holy Spirit possesses will and consciousnesses ( Romans 8:27), (1 Corinthians 12:11). The Holy Spirit judges and reacts (Isaiah 63:10).
He is Comforter (John 14:16), Revelator (John 16:13), He testifies(John 15:26),He prays (Romans 8:26), He gives or witholds permission (Acts 16:6-7), He gives new life (<cite class="bibleref" title="JOHN 3:5* Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.">JOHN 3:5</cite>); these are all acts of a Person not an impersonal power.

God is a Spirit (Joh 4:24) and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God (Eph 4:30) therefore the Holy Spirit (although distinct in His personality and manifestation) is God.
 
Here's food for thought!

In Matthew 28:19 it says this - 'Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost'.

However, you'll find in Acts 2:38 it says this - 'Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.'

The question here is this. Is Peter contradicting what the Lord said? The answer here is 'not at all'. Jesus said to baptize in the 'name', not 'names'. Peter caught the revelation of what that name was - the Lord Jesus Christ. Father is not a name, Son is not a name neither is the Holy Spirit a name - they are all titles of that one and only name - the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a husband, son and a preacher but that is not my name. If you look though the rest of the book of Acts you'll find that no-one was ever baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

All I can say is that the trinity is a false doctrine created to turn people away from the Truth.
 
eagle eyes I have a question about your post. If Jesus Christ is the One and only True name then who is the God of the Old Testament, Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior but before the Birth of Gods Son there was still God and The Holy Ghost.
1 John 4:9
1 Corinthians 12:3
2 Corinthians 13:14
I worship and serve Jesus Christ, but I recieve gifts and strength from the Holy Ghost, and God loves me always. There isnt one without the others.
 
Coright4Christ - to put it as simply as I can put it, the Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Jesus of the New Testament.

John 1 says that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God. It then says that the Word was God. Further on it says the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, which is when Jesus came on the scene. So if the Word was God and the Word was made flesh then clearly Jesus is God!

All God was doing was making Himself known in a different form. It has been the same God all the time and we know Him now as the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus said in John 14 that He and the Father were one. Jesus also said the Father will send a comforter (which we know as the Holy Spirit/Ghost). Jesus then immediately said 'I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.' So Jesus, who is the Father, is also the Holy Ghost. He is just changing His form.

In 1 Timothy 3:16 it says, 'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness. God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles; believed on in the world, received up into Glory.' It doesn't say a thing here about a first or second or third person here but it just says that God was manifest in flesh. God came in a human form and this didn't make Him another God.

I know there are sciptures in the Bible that makes it look like there is more than one and it certainly can be confusing. But this is something that requires revelation. Peter recognized what that name was because the Lord revealed it to Him when He came as the Comforter. This is not something that can be explained by man. The Lord HIMSELF is the one that reveals it, even today!

When Jesus made Himself known to Thomas after the resurrection, Thomas said 'My Lord AND my God'. Jesus didn't rebuke Thomas for saying this because He was God. Paul when travelling to Damascus to persecute the christians was stopped in his tracks by a bright light from Heaven. He said, 'Who are you, Lord?' And the reply He got back was 'I am Jesus' - not 'I am Jehovah' or 'I am God' but God was using His name which has now been revealed to the World.

What about Melchisedec who Abraham gave tithes to. Who was He? It says in Hebrews that he was without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life etc. There is only one person this could possibly be and that is God.

Talking about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, you said there isn't one without the others. We know God also by His seven names of Jehovah, as Elohim, as El Shaddai, as the Rose of Sharon, as the Lily of the Valley, as the Bright and Morning Star and so many more. All these titles are attributed to the one true God whose name is the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
eagle eyes I have a question about your post. If Jesus Christ is the One and only True name then who is the God of the Old Testament, Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior but before the Birth of Gods Son there was still God and The Holy Ghost.
1 John 4:9
1 Corinthians 12:3
2 Corinthians 13:14
I worship and serve Jesus Christ, but I recieve gifts and strength from the Holy Ghost, and God loves me always. There isnt one without the others.

My friend, there was always the Father, there was always the Son and there was always the Holy Spirit.
Jesus (the Word) created all (Joh 1:1- 1:14).
There is only One God but He has always manifested in three different persons, this plurality is demonstrated in the very first chapter of the very first Book of the bible (Gen 1:26).
Christ is fully God and yet is and always will be subject to the Father.
Trying to understand the fullness of God with a couple of pounds of gray matter has had man running in circles for thousands of years.
 
Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior but before the Birth of Gods Son there was still God and The Holy Ghost.

The apostle Paul understood the doctrine of the eternal Trinity and Jesus' position in it:

"Your attitude should be that of Christ Jesus; Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made Himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness,,," (Php 2:5-7 NIV)

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
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if what u are saying is true then which do we worship. the bible says there is only one true God. They are one and the same, u cannot have one without the other. All the scripture u gave isnt saying that they are different. John 10:30 Jesus speaking here.

Acts 5:3. Acts 5:4 Peter says Ananias is lying to both the Holy Ghost and God in this scripture. puting both "entities" as the same.

if u look at both scriptures using basic math if Jesus=God and Holy Ghost=God then all 3 are equal and the same.

If Jesus is God and the "Holy Ghost" or Holy spirit is God, then how was it that Jesus was "filled with the holy spirit" at Luke 4:1 ? Can God fill God ? Why then is the holy spirit likened to water at Isaiah 44:3 ? And why is it that a person can "speak a word against the Son of man" and be forgiven, but "whoever speaks against the holy spirit", he will never be forgiven, at Matthew 12:32 , if both are God ?
 
If Jesus is God and the "Holy Ghost" or Holy spirit is God, then how was it that Jesus was "filled with the holy spirit" at Luke 4:1 ? Can God fill God ? Why then is the holy spirit likened to water at Isaiah 44:3 ? And why is it that a person can "speak a word against the Son of man" and be forgiven, but "whoever speaks against the holy spirit", he will never be forgiven, at Matthew 12:32 , if both are God ?

Jesus (though God) came in the form of man to pay the price for man's redemption and to be our perfect example.
Like Him we are to be filled with the Holy Spirit, do only the Father's will and then only in the power of the Holy Spirit. Each a different distinct personality, each a different form or function yet all = 1 God.
 
Your example is indicative of someone who has three different relationships rather than that of three persons.

If Father and Son were the same person than they would have shared the same will.

Well said, Jiggy. I think the biggest obstacle to our understanding of the trinity is our inability to imagine 3 distinct persons in such unity that they can said to be one. In the world the closest comparison you might make is a corporation- where there are numerous individuals yet one conglomerate.

Even this, however, is far and away inadequate in understanding that one God is manifested as three distinct persons (person-hood in this sense including self awareness, intelligence, a moral nature, the vehicle to actualize will, etc). It's the last element, the ability to act out and bring to pass will that makes the trinity so transcendent- though three, there is only one will.

In all of creation perhaps the best (and this still falls staggeringly short) understanding of the nature of God is what he created in his image- you, me, people.

We all are made of spirit, soul and body. Adam and Eve originally had all three in unity; when they sinned they fractured this balance so that any of the three could act independently of the will of God-the one original will in the universe. As it stands now, man may act out in his flesh at the impetus of the soul's fleshly desires.

Only the Spirit filled person can (for lack of a better word) corral his flesh and his soul to line up with his spirit hence the scriptural admonition "Walk in the Spirit and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh" (Galations 5:16).
 
Being as the trinity doctrine is not Bible-based, but came from ancient Babylon (having a triad of Sin [the moon-god], Shamash [the sun-god], and Ishtar [goddess of fertility] among many triads of gods), a reasonable person, upon objectively examining the depth of evidence, can readily see that the trinity doctrine is false. What is some of the evidence ?

It is of great interest that none of the first century Christians, including the apostles, ever concluded that God, Jesus, and the holy spirit were three persons in one Godhead. To the contrary, these quickly showed that Jesus was subservient to his Father, God (John 14:28; 1 Cor 11:3) and that the holy spirit is "power of the Most High".(Luke 1:35)

Jesus, in encouraging his disciples to "keep on asking" concerning knowing who God is, said to his disciples: "Indeed, which father is there among you who, if his son asks for a fish, will perhaps hand him a serpent instead of a fish? Or if he also asks for an egg, will hand him a scorpion? Therefore, if you, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him !”(Luke 11:11-13) Thus, God ' gives holy spirit ', like a gift to a child, to "those asking him."

Further, at Isaiah 44:3, God says to the nation of Israel, that "I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessing upon your descendants." Hence, God's spirit or his holy spirit, is likened to ' water being poured out upon thirsty ones.' Examining this a little further, at Acts 2:4, on the day of Pentecost, those gathered there in Jerusalem, "became filled with holy spirit." In addition, at Luke 4:1, it says that Jesus, following his baptism, was "full of holy spirit." Can a person be poured out upon another individual ? Can a member of the so-called "Godhead", fill another member, as in this case Jesus ? This is not reasonable, nor scriptural.

Rather, the holy spirit is spoken of as "the free gift"(Acts 2:38), yes a free gift from God that empowers God-fearing individuals to do his work, and not a member of a trinity. When Simon, a man in Jerusalem who practiced magical arts, upon seeing the apostles ' giving' out holy spirit, requested that he too have this authority, "that anyone upon whom I lay my hands may receive holy spirit". However, Peter quickly told him that through his money, he could not "get possession of the free gift of the spirit."(Acts 8:20, 21)

The holy spirit is God's applied power, to accomplish his purpose and give strength to those being obedient, for the apostle Peter told those in the Sanhedrin, that "the God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew, hanging him upon a stake. God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.”(Acts 5:30-32)

Thus, the holy spirit is not a person, but rather is that which is God's applied power that he uses to perform his will or create what he wishes, for Psalms 104:30 says that "if you (God) send forth your spirit, they are created; and you make the face of the ground new."

A complete, blasphemous and unintelligible load of damnable tripe.

That the Holy Spirit is a power is plain from Acts 1:8; that He is a person is abundantly manifested in the scripture: He dwells with us (John 14:17), teaches and brings to remembrance (14:26), bears witness (15:26), convinces of sin (16:8), guides, speaks, declares (16:13,15) inspires the scriptures and speaks in them (Acts 1:16; 2 Peter 1:21) spoke to Phillip (Acts 8:29), calls ministers (13:2), sends out workers (13:4), intercedes (Romans 8:26) and on and on.

Further, He has attributes of personality: will (1 Corinthians 12:11), mind (Romans 8:27), thought, knowledge, words (1 Corinthians 2:10-13). The Holy Spirit can be treated as a person: lied to and tempted (Acts 5:3,4,9), resisted (7:15), grieved (Ephesians 4:30) what you did- blasphemed against (Matthew 12:31).

The working of the Holy Spirit as a person in the Old Testament are as numerous and cogent; His work beginning at Pentecost was a completely new aspect of the gradual revelation of God- as distinct and new to man as when God robed himself in flesh and became a man.

Was the incarnation the beginning of Christ? Of course not; to say so would exhibit a profound ignorance of scripture. To intimate that the trinity as taught throughout scripture is a misnomer is equally ignorant. To assert that the Holy Spirit is not God but his applied power is blasphemy.

We are finite and to imply that a person in the Godhead, (btw, the Godhead is taught in scripture) is to vividly display not only our inadequacy in comparison to God but your failure to grasp the truth of the Bible.
By the way, before you plagiarize another source:

(Sumerian Gods and Goddesses - Crystalinks)

consider the fact that you are profaning the very character of God himself. Study the scripture, do your own research and allow God to lead you into all truth.
 
Jesus (though God) came in the form of man to pay the price for man's redemption and to be our perfect example.
Like Him we are to be filled with the Holy Spirit, do only the Father's will and then only in the power of the Holy Spirit. Each a different distinct personality, each a different form or function yet all = 1 God.

The questions of how ' God can fill God'(Luke 4:1) or why the holy spirit is likened to water (Isa 44:3), nor how one can sin against Jesus and be forgiven but not against the holy spirit (Matt 12:32), were never answered, but rather were pushed aside. This is no different than the Pharisees avoiding the question that Jesus asked them concerning the baptism of John, whether it was from heaven or from men.(Matt 21:24-27)

The Pharisees were unwilling to reason on the scriptures, but had closed their minds to all of the evidence that Jesus was the Messiah. On another occasion, the Pharisees were unwilling to reason on the sabbath, teaching a distorted view.(Matt 12:1, 2) As a religious group, they had shut their minds and hearts to Jesus fulfilling the role of the Messiah and the purpose of the sabbath. They were biased and fought against him.

As a result, almost the entire nation of Israel were duped to believing what they taught, "Hellenized Judaism", for Jesus told a group of Jews that "you are searching the Scriptures, because you think that by means of them you will have everlasting life; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me."(John 5:39)

These Jews searched the Scriptures with a closed mind, not letting the Scriptures speak for themselves. Likewise of the trinity, for many have followed in the same "rut" as their religious leaders, never reasoning on the Bible for themselves, nor doing any sort of "homework" on the Bible, but just accepting what is told them by the religious leaders of Christendom or what is the "orthodox" view.

For example, for Eagle Eyes to say that "Jehovah of the Old Testament is the Jesus of the New Testament" is without question being biased, failing to do his "homework". How could this be since Jesus excluded himself when called "Good Teacher", with Jesus replying: "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God."(Mark 10:17, 18) If Jesus was God, then this response would have been out of place and a lie.

In addition, had Eagle Eyes dug a little deeper, he would have come to recognize that the words "God was manifest in the flesh" at 1 Timothy 3:16, as rendered by the King James Bible, were spurious, having been tampered with. The word "God" was not in the oldest manuscripts, such as the Codex Siniaticus of the fourth century C.E.(discovered by Konstantin Von Tischendorf) and the Codex Alexandrinus, also of the fourth century C.E.,(discovered by John James Wetstein of the early 1700’s, who was charged with tampering with the text and speaking against the doctrine of the trinity). He found the words "he who" to be the correct wording, not "God". Sinaiticus (produced about 350 C.E.) was made many years before any Greek manuscript reading “God.”

Bruce M. Metzger in his Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament concludes concerning 1 Timothy 3:16: “No uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century . . . supports θεός [the·os´, God]; all ancient versions presuppose ος or ο; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading θεός [the·os, God´].” Thus, it revealed that there had been a later corruption of the text.

Had Jesus been God, then why did he reply to Satan concerning doing just one act of worship to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written (at Deuteronomy 5:9 and 10:20), ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” ?(Matt 4:10) Even the King James Bible reads: "Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

In addition, if Jesus was God, then why did Jesus say in prayer: "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ." ?(John 17:3) If Jesus was God, then he would have lying in saying that his Father was "the only true God."

Furthermore, the apostle Paul wrote: "For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."(1 Cor 8:5, 6)

Paul made a clear distinction between God and Jesus, saying that there is only "one God the Father", excluding Jesus, but rather calling him just "one Lord." Thus, that is why Jesus said that his Father is "the only true God" in prayer, separating himself as being the one "sent forth" by God.

Paul also wrote that "I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God."(1 Cor 11:3) How could God be "head of the Christ" if the Christ is equal with God, being God ? People who are unreasonable or wish to accept the "orthodox" view that the trinity is true, will do just as the religious leaders have done throughout the centuries, remain "blind".(John 9:41) On the other hand, there are those who let the Bible speak for itself rather than what the churches have taught, can clearly recognize that Jesus is not God but is subservient to God.
 
If Jesus is God and the "Holy Ghost" or Holy spirit is God, then how was it that Jesus was "filled with the holy spirit" at Luke 4:1 ? Can God fill God ?

Go back to Php 2:5-7 NIV. Jesus came to earth as God AND man. He was and is God but, humbling Himself, He laid aside His powers and prerogatives as God and took upon Himself a human nature under the guidance and empowering of the Holy Spirit.

SLE
 
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