The Tribulation Isn’t What You Think — and Jesus Never Taught a Rapture Escape Plan

[Jesua888]

some

In your case Linda,
it doesn't matter what I think.
Your destiny's already determined.
and I am not in any of it

some very self-righteous and opiniated people on this channel, much the pity

 

[Garee]

this

this above is a lot of "vain babblings" and assumptions, therefore a projection which I will NOT buy into!

Some call the parables vain babbling rather than rightly dividing. Comparing the things seen the temporal historical to the unseen eternal things of Christ's work of faith or labor of His love .

In that way we buy the gospel truth and do not sell it as oral traditions of dying mankind.

Without parable Christ in us spoke not.

 

[Leumas]

some

some very self-righteous and opiniated people on this channel, much the pity

And you're one of them.

 

[Curtis]

do we ever see Jesus treating Israel special because they are Jewish by race?? Jesus himself tells us that just because your a ethnic Jew does not make you a child of Abraham.

The Apostle Paul was sure that God had plans for Israel. The people had hardened their hearts against God, but God’s gifts and callings are without repentance. God did not regret those gifts and callings and would not revoke them. Even to this day, God has not fulfilled all the gifts, callings, and promises given to Israel, but we can be certain, as Paul was, that He will.

Rom 11:25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "THE DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF ZION, AND HE WILL TURN AWAY UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB;
Rom 11:27 FOR THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

When God chose Israel to be his special people, it was an irrevocable decision.

Deu 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.

Even if a descendant of Abraham according to the flesh does not believe in Jesus as their Messiah, God's promises to them still stand unchangeable until they do.

 

[Garee]

The Jews will eventually put their faith in Jesus as their saviour, but that only happens in the great tribulation.

The 144,000 Jews who have been anointed by God's Spirit. I am sure will have a big impact on their lives.

The metaphor used in parable the (golden measure of faith) the unseen things 144,000 denotes a unknown . .no reason to know. No sign were given to wonder, wonder, wonder after as if true prophecy

The great tribulation which began because of the atheist Jew who had become in 1 Samuael 8. . Jealous of all the surrounding pagan nations foundation (Out of sight out of mind)

No Aoratos (invisible God) They would not serve Christ the invisible King of earthly kings.

They built a temple made of stone an abomination of desolation Christ promising to the whole world an outward 3 days and nights demonstration of the lamb that was slain during the foundation. The six days the Holy Father Christ did work. . used as a parable. The signified understnding.

Falsely teaching dying mankind a Jewish man as Kings of kings was seated in what they called holy of holies. and again, Christ called the abomination of desolation

When the veil that represented the foreskin of our bloody husband because of circumcision. It was torn from the top to the bottom. There was no dying Jewish man as king of kings siting.

Satan fell and count no longer deceive all the nations God is dying mankind. (Revelation 20 below)

Revelation 20:3;And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The high two 15 feet walls. One that separated the Jews from the Gentile and the other high wall the Jewish women from the men. Only the men could perform the ceremonial shadows One new shadow one was given (1 Corinthians 11)

Men's only club a great tribulation for those men one like never before or ever again. Grat joy for the gentiles and Jewish Christians one like never begore or ever again. Today still doing its faithful work of bringing all the nations under one Heavenly Holy Father, Christ. One like never before or ever again

Again, Christ reckoned as the bloody husband because of pain and suffering of circumcision.

 

[B-A-C]

No Aoratos (invisible God) They would not serve Christ the invisible King of earthly kings.

In the Bible, not every thing is all or none. Jesus left the earth in the flesh, and will return the same way.

“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” — Luke 24:39 (NASB95)

“They also said, ‘Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.’” — Acts 1:11 (NASB95)
Jesus will be visible to everyone.
“Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.” — Revelation 1:7 (NASB95)

 

[B-A-C]

some

some very self-righteous and opiniated people on this channel, much the pity

It's unfortunate, you will encounter a lot of that here. I wish we had better moderation in some arewas.

 

[B-A-C]

They built a temple made of stone an abomination of desolation Christ promising to the whole world an outward 3 days and nights demonstration of the lamb that was slain during the foundation. The six days the Holy Father Christ did work. . used as a parable. The signified understnding.

Who this? When did they build it? This did happen with Antiochus Epiphanes, but when did it happen the second time?

1. Daniel 8:11–13
   
   

   “It even magnified itself to be equal with the Commander of the host; and it removed the regular sacrifice from Him, and the place of His sanctuary was thrown down.
   And on account of transgression the host will be given over to the horn along with the regular sacrifice; and it will fling truth to the ground and perform its will and prosper.”
   Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?”

2. Daniel 9:27
   
   

   “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

3. Daniel 11:31
   
   

   “Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.”

4. Daniel 12:11
   
   

   “From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.”

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• Matthew 24:15
  

  “Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),”

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• Mark 13:14
  

  “But when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.”

Daniel 12:11

• “From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.”

There is no way this was 70ad. First there is no record of it in 70ad. But also the seige of Jerusalem only lasted a very short time. A few months at best, the temple was torn down the first month. There is no way the abomination of desolation could have lasted 1,290 days.

“who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.” — 2 Thessalonians 2:4 (NASB95)

The temple certainly was not standing for 3 1/2 years after the seige (1.290 days)

 

[Garee]

In the Bible, not every thing is all or none. Jesus left the earth in the flesh, and will return the same way.

“See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” — Luke 24:39 (NASB95)

“They also said, ‘Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.’” — Acts 1:11 (NASB95)
Jesus will be visible to everyone.
“Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.” — Revelation 1:7 (NASB95)

Yes, he is teaching dying mankind: corrupted dying"flesh and blood" without the invisible spirit essence of life has no spirit life of its own. ( No evidence of hearing the gospel, believed and moved to perform..

John 20:27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing .And Thomas answered and said unto him, (not seen) My Lord and my (invisible) God.

Christ is here because of the first century reformation he has returned reigning over born-again believers waiting hoping he will appear in the flesh a false teaching (reincarnation. . return to the corrupted flesh)

There will be no second coming of dying flesh It returns to the dust.

Some did know Christ who worked in the son of man, Jesus . . just as today he works in all born again sons of God

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[B-A-C]

There will be no second coming of dying flesh It returns to the dust.

The doctrine of the anti-christ.

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

If you don't believe Jesus is in the flesh, you are not from God. Period.

 

[Garee]

The doctrine of the anti-christ.

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

If you don't believe Jesus is in the flesh, you are not from God. Period.

We must be careful how we hear who we say we do . . . .any antichrists false apostles bringing false prophecy oral tradition of dying mankind .

The antichrists another teaching authority other than sola scriptura alone

Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ the husband of the Christian bride the anointed teacher of the bride has come in the flesh to demonstrate the unseen eternal work of the Holy Father is from God.

God is not a man as us.

 

[B-A-C]

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." — John 1:14 (NASB 1995)
Jesus called Himself the "son of man" more than any other title in the Bible.

• Matthew: 32 times
• Mark: 14 times
• Luke: 26 times
• John: 10 times (with a slightly different emphasis than the Synoptic Gospels)

 

[Curtis]

1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.

 

[Garee]

"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth." — John 1:14 (NASB 1995)
Jesus called Himself the "son of man" more than any other title in the Bible.

• Matthew: 32 times
• Mark: 14 times
• Luke: 26 times
• John: 10 times (with a slightly different emphasis than the Synoptic Gospels)

Thanks
And the faithful word "Let there be" was demonstrated outwardly by the flesh of dying mankind( jesus the Son on man)

If you see the Son of man the temporal you can know he was empowered by the Holy Invisible Father.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

 

[Rhema]

Do you know that the book of 1 Corinthians was written 40-50 years before the book of Revelation? Paul would have had no information regarding trumpets or bowls of any kind.

But the Holy Spirit would have had complete information regarding trumpets and bowls and such. If the scriptures are divinely inspired, then wouldn't God make sure that there would NOT be a conflict in what the Last Trump meant?

(Sure He would. Lest confusion arise.)

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

There was no saving faith at the time of Jesus.

Jesus said otherwise:

And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.​

- Matthew 9:2 KJV

But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.​

- Matthew 9:22 KJV

When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.​

- Mark 2:5 KJV

(Need I quote more?)

There was no Holy Spirit.

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:​

- Matthew 3:11 KJV

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:​

- Matthew 3:16 KJV

And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:​

- Mark 1:9-10 KJV

And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,​

- Luke 4:1 KJV

(There definitely was a Holy Spirit.)

IE There were no Christians.

Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.​

- Matthew 10:2-4 KJV

I know you're playing semantic games here, but weren't the Twelve saved believers? Did these not believe in Christ?

Coming from the guy that rejects Luke 16 and what Jesus said on the cross to the thief.

I don't reject Luke 16, I'm just honest and truthful about Luke present a spiritual story lesson. Where as YOU reject Matthew and Mark.

The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.​

- Matthew 27:44 KJV

Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.​

- Mark 15:32 KJV

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Rhema

 

[Rhema]

and as yet no one has yet come up with a good explanation of who the restrainer is ... maybe it will come : )

I actually have, but I've spent the last week or so trying to track down my notes. Apologies.

 

[KingJ]

Jesus said otherwise:

And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.​

- Matthew 9:2 KJV

But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.​

- Matthew 9:22 KJV

When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.​

- Mark 2:5 KJV

(Need I quote more?)

The verses you have quoted speak to faith but are unrelated to 'saving' faith.

Rom 10:9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Note, it requires a belief in Jesus being raised from the dead.

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:​

- Matthew 3:11 KJV

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:​

- Matthew 3:16 KJV

And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:​

- Mark 1:9-10 KJV

And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,​

- Luke 4:1 KJV

(There definitely was a Holy Spirit.)

For Jesus sure. Not for us. The day of Pentecost is the first day the Holy Spirit came to and upon us.

This is Sunday school teaching Rhema.

Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
- Matthew 10:2-4 KJV

I know you're playing semantic games here, but weren't the Twelve saved believers? Did these not believe in Christ?

No semantics. You just have absolutely no clue what Christianity 101 is.

Rom 10:9 makes us a Christian. So, no, they may have been followers of Christ, but they were not yet Christians.

I don't reject Luke 16, I'm just honest and truthful about Luke present a spiritual story lesson. Where as YOU reject Matthew and Mark.

The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
- Matthew 27:44 KJV

Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.​

- Mark 15:32 KJV

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Rhema

Matt 27:44 - In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

Mark 15:32 - Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.” Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him''.

Relevance?

You outright reject Luke 16. You literally don't believe a place of the dead like Hades housing a rich man in agonising fire exists. Even though, Jesus quotes the actual name of a person. Unlike any 'parable'. Even as a parable, you don't accept a single word.

Nice try turning the tables. Shows you are only interested in keeping face and ad hominem attack over edifying and learning.

 

[Garee]

Jesus said otherwise:

And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.- Matthew 9:2 KJV

But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.- Matthew 9:22 KJV

When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.- Mark 2:5 KJV

What does Jesus saw their faith mean?

How can we see the invisible (faith)

Did the Father who looks on the inside reveal it to the son of man, Jesus?