The Tribulation Isn’t What You Think — and Jesus Never Taught a Rapture Escape Plan

[KingJ]

You teach that once someone says a prayer or believes (in your Gnostic, mental-acknowledgment-only way), they're locked into heaven no matter what — even if they later deny Christ, worship the Beast, or live like hell.

Nonsense, quote me.

 

[Garee]

"the church today will not be there it willhave already been raptured to God" ... a couple of years ago I joined a bible group in the park, and felt that the leader was a bit of a dictator. He kept referring the church, and I asked for clarification ... I asked many questions, and was told that the group had taken a bread (never heard of again?). Well, I still have a problem with the manmade "church" and God's Church, which is his Bride or His Believers. The same thing could be said about "Israel" ... Jacob was named Israel by God, and it is understood that Israel are God's people, not the land Israel that is so named today. Could this misunderstanding or apparent contradictions be as a result of the Schofied Bible narrative!?

I would offer.

The word church is the wife as the bride of Christ. According to its usage it needs to be defined.

Many think the word church has to do with that which is a literal stone dwelling a shelter from the environment as if Christ our invisible God lived in temples made of dead, faithless, powerless stones.

God who is not served by human hands as a will of dying mankind worked his labor of love in his sent ones called apostles sent with the words of prophecy the gospel of our salvation

A church is a family or tribe. Twelve is used to represent the authority of Christ . . twelve tribes as a family'. . they make up the one bride of Christ, the whole church.

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.(church one family)

Abram meaning one Father, His born-again name Abraham meaning; the Holy Father of all the nations.

His father was an Amorite his mother a Hittite. Two tribes make up a new one .Abrahamic or Christian family the new name Christ named the bride in Acts.

Same applies with Isreal the bride before the born-again name changed previously Jacob the deceiver.

When more than one tribe or family gather together it is called a confederacy.

The Confederacy is designed to be used as a demonstration a gospel sign to the unbelieving world. A demonstration to mankind.

Believers' denominations (many families) have prophecy till the end of time.

The Confederacy demonstrates the gospel .. . . exposes the unbelievers need to leave their own mark false pride. A Broadway sign unto their own self. "I did it. . . it proves it" Like Aarons two sons adding to sola scriptura called strange fire. The fire proved they were false apostles.

Isaiah 8:12Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.

Obadiah 1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.

An example with Elijah the confederacy 450 false prophets changing the authority of all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) Elijah having no fear of those of the number ( 2 Corinthians 10:11-13)

The Confederacy, those of many families that gather as one family. Used as a demonstration to the world, not a witness unto their own selves (strange fire)

Those of the number are those that measure themselves by their own dying self. . . .oral traditions And not the golden measurement of faith (sola scriptura)

2 Corinthians 10:11-13;Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.;For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.;But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.

The gathering together of families is gospel show time to the world. God drawing mankind to the source of faith as it is written (sola scriptura)

Not all are called to the confederacy a gospel demonstration to the world. Each has its own kind of gift, different reaches

 

[Curtis]

"the church today will not be there it willhave already been raptured to God" ... a couple of years ago I joined a bible group in the park, and felt that the leader was a bit of a dictator. He kept referring the church, and I asked for clarification ... I asked many questions, and was told that the group had taken a bread (never heard of again?). Well, I still have a problem with the manmade "church" and God's Church, which is his Bride or His Believers. The same thing could be said about "Israel" ... Jacob was named Israel by God, and it is understood that Israel are God's people, not the land Israel that is so named today. Could this misunderstanding or apparent contradictions be as a result of the Schofied Bible narrative!?

Prophecy concerning the future of Israel, not the Church.

Isa 62:4 People will not call you Deserted anymore. They will no longer name your land Empty. Instead, you will be called The One the LORD Delights In. Your land will be named The Married One. I will take delight in you. And your land will be like a bride.
Isa 62:5 As a young man gets married to a young woman, your people will marry you. As a groom is happy with his bride, I will be full of joy over you." (NiRV)

Hos 2:19 I will make Israel my own. She will belong to me forever. I will do to her what is right and fair. I will love her tenderly.
Hos 2:20 I will be faithful to her. And she will recognize me as the LORD.

 

[Deep Seeker]

The Tribulation Isn’t What You Think — and Jesus Never Taught a Rapture Escape Plan

Scripture mostly talks about “tribulation” (thlipsis) as something believers experience. But Jesus does describe a final period of unparalleled distress — and He tells us exactly how it ends.

The problem? Modern churches have been fed Scofield’s fan fiction, not Christ’s words.

So let’s walk through what the Bible actually says.

1. Tribulation is for believers — not just “the left behind.”

“In the world you will have tribulation (θλῖψιν) — but take heart, I have overcome the world.”
— John 16:33

“We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
— Acts 14:22

Tribulation isn't some Jewish horror flick after the Church "vanishes" — it's the furnace believers have always gone through. It’s been happening since Acts — and it will culminate right before Christ returns.

2. Jesus does mention a great tribulation — but the righteous are still there.

“Then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world... and except those days be shortened, no flesh would be saved.” — Matthew 24:21–22

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days… He shall send His angels… and gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31

So when does Jesus gather His people? AFTER the tribulation — not before.
No secret escape. No early flight. No Kirk Cameron 'Left Behind' Hollywood nonsense.
Left behind” isn’t a threat — it’s a promise. Just ask Noah.

3. “But what about being taken like in Noah’s day?”

People say this like it’s the reward — but Jesus says it’s the judgment.

“As it was in the days of Noah… they were eating and drinking… until the flood came and took them all away.
So shall it be when the Son of Man returns.” — Matthew 24:37–39
(Also Luke 17:26–30)

Look again — who gets taken in Noah’s day?
Not Noah. Not the righteous.
It’s the wicked who are swept away in judgment.

And Jesus says it’ll be just like that again.

The ones “taken” are the ones judged.
The ones “left” are the ones preserved.
Left behind? That’s the blessing. Just like Noah, just like Lot.

That means modern Rapture theology has Christians begging to be swept away in judgment — while calling it their “blessed hope.” That’s not faith. That’s deception — straight from the Pit. They’re under a veil… and cheering for their own destruction as the architects of this deception laugh from the shadows of Hell — watching the Church pray for its own judgment, and call it salvation.

4. Revelation confirms: the saints go through it.

“I saw the souls of those who were beheaded for their witness to Jesus… and they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” — Revelation 20:4

Who are these saints?
Not “tribulation extras.”
They’re the faithful Church — those who endure.
There is ONE resurrection. (John 5:28–29, Daniel 12:2)

5. Daniel backs it up:

“There shall be a time of trouble such as never was… but at that time your people shall be delivered — everyone written in the Book.”
— Daniel 12:1–2

“Many shall be purified and made white and tried.”
— Daniel 12:10

Not beamed up — purified, tried, delivered.
Through fire, not around it.

6. There’s no escape hatch. But there is endurance — and glory.

“Here is the endurance of the saints… those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.”
— Revelation 14:12

“But he who endures to the end will be saved.” — Matthew 24:13

The Satanic Lie: “The Tribulation” is a Jewish-only horror story.
This was invented by John Nelson Darby in the 1800s and stapled into your Bible by Scofield.
They taught the Church is removed before things get rough, and the Jews get one more shot during a special 7-year tribulation.

There’s only one problem:
That’s not what Jesus taught.

Final Truth:
There is a final period of tribulation — a real, global time of distress before Christ returns. But Jesus was clear:

The righteous aren’t removed beforehand — they’re refined.

The wicked are “taken,” not the saints.

The elect are gathered after the tribulation.

There is one resurrection — at Christ’s visible return.

And every believer who endures will shine like the sun in the Kingdom of their Father (Matthew 13:43).

Summary:

"The tribulation" is real — not just future, but already unfolding. It intensifies before Christ returns. But believers go through it — not around it.

The “rapture” happens after the tribulation (Matt 24:29–31).

The ones “taken” in Noah’s day were the wicked — not the saved.
Jesus says it will be the same way again when He returns.

The ones ‘taken’ are the damned. The Rapture, as the misled modern churches teach it, is actually a death sentence disguised as deliverance.

The righteous are left — sealed, rescued, preserved, just like Noah.

So when modern Christians start begging to be “taken”…
they’re literally praying to be swept away in judgment.
That’s not the blessed hope.
That’s spiritual suicide — with Scofield footnotes.

Scofield’s fantasy isn’t in the Bible.

Endure like Noah. Obey like Lot. Shine like the saints.

No one is raptured before it. The righteous are gathered after (Matt 24:29–31).

Saints will suffer, resist the Beast, and be resurrected to reign with Christ. (Rev 20:4)

The whole “pre-trib rapture” thing? Invented in the 1800s. Not Bible. Not Jesus. Not apostolic.

If anyone tells you we’ll be “raptured out” before things get hard, just ask:
“Where’s the verse that says that?”
(Spoiler: there isn’t one.)

The Cross wasn’t an escape plan — it was a war path.
Jesus doesn’t rapture cowards.
He refines warriors.

Not one apostle taught a pre-tribulation rapture.
Not one early Church father believed Christians would disappear before the time of trial.
There is zero historical record of any secret escape doctrine in the first 1800 years of Christianity.

Paul didn’t teach it.
Peter didn’t teach it.
John — the one who saw Revelation — didn’t teach it.

Irenaeus didn’t preach it.
Polycarp didn’t preach it.
Ignatius didn’t preach it.

Jesus didn’t teach it.

So where did it come from?

John Nelson Darby, 1830s.
Scofield Bible, 1909.
Then Hollywood — and Satan’s global elite minions — ran with it.
They sold Christians a false escape hatch — and called it “the Blessed Hope.”

The real Church never believed in a “left behind” evacuation plan.
That idea didn’t come from the Bible.

So ask yourself:
If the apostles didn’t preach it…
If the early Church never taught it…
If Jesus never mentioned it…

Then who did?

Because deception this deep doesn’t come from ignorance — it comes from below.

It’s so twisted, so dark, so psychotic,
it could only come from the pit itself.

Like an evil man sweetly coaxing a group of children
to dance into a barn full of starving lions —
and calling it “blessed hope".

What they’ve done to the Church since 1909 is so twisted,
so diabolical,
it couldn’t have come from man.

This deception bears the fingerprints of the Dragon himself.
Only the enemy of Christ could orchestrate something so brilliant,
so blasphemous —
WhatsApp and sell it as hope.

 

[Deep Seeker]

As for what Jesus taught. First, To Whom did He teach what He taught?

To many Today take what was directed to Isreal and use It for Today! Why then, did God bother to send Paul to The Gentiles?
He sent Paul because Paull was given a very different message to give to ALL BLIEVERS OF THS AGE!
Yet; so many take what was written only to Isreal and use It as if It was written to everyone! This is why Today there are some 34,000 various Denominations in This World!
Seeing how The Spirit of God is not A Spirit of confusion; then why does This condition exist Today? Because Satan is still at work!
Sadly, to many do not do as instructed by The Bible scripture. "Study to show Yourself approved of God, a workman who need not be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
All people are just that, people. However, Those who truly, seek to understand The Bible scriptures; need to just that! I do not write this message because I have all the correct answers; far from that. I write It to help others to think first and study correctly on The Bible text.
I have spent some 65 years doing this, with prayer for guidance and understanding. I am now in My late years of life; at least, This life.
I thank God for His Spiritual guidance in My life. I also thank Him for not being just another, Church Goer.

I have babbled on enough. I pray that This message will be of a help to Others seeking to understand The Bible text.

Deep Seeker

 

[Deep Seeker]

In response to an EmaiI received concerning, The Will of God.
Can One really know The Will of The Elohim? We only know what has been given to Us to know, by His Spirit, and study.

 

[Leumas]

In response to an EmaiI received concerning, The Will of God.
Can One really know The Will of The Elohim? We only know what has been given to Us to know, by His Spirit, and study.

Yes you can know the absolute undeniable without no doubt, will of God.

And not only that I'm going to go ahead and tell you I've already posted it on this website once, but I'll post it again just for you so you will know it.

Love the Lord thy God
With all your heart
With all your mind
With all your soul
With all your strength.

That is the complete will of God for every man, woman and child upon the face of the whole Earth.

 

[Leumas]

And you don't have to pray about it.
You don't have to ask anyone else about it.
You don't have to read any book to know it.
Because it's right there plain and simple.
It doesn't even need any interpretation to understand it and know it.

It doesn't need any studying or any other nonsense. It's right there plain and simple.

 

[Deep Seeker]

Hello,
I was asked if I could explain who Isreal is.
First, Which One? The Literal Isreal, or the Spiritual Isreal,; I wounder?
The Literal Isreal is exactly that! It consists of the physical land of Isreal.
The Spiritual Isreal is however another Thing. It is those of Isreal, who accepted Jesus Christ as Their Saviour.
There are, Two Kingdoms given in The Bible text.
First is the Kingdom of Heaven. That being for Isreal.
The Second One is, The Kingdom Of God.

The question is then; Which One is for whom, When?
The Scriptures gives the answer to Those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear.
First, The Kingdom of Heaven was for Isreal, and Isreal only. Read this for Yourself.

Second is The Kingdom OF God. That Kingdom is for all who are Called by God, to be into It. Let the serious Bible student read this for themselves in The Bible scriptures.
One of the BIG PROBLEMS today is the lack of understanding which Kingdom was for Whom, when. This seems to be ignored for the most part!

When one takes a part of what was for Isreal's kingdom, and mixes it with was for Todays Kingdom, That, creates MUCH ERROR!
One cannot take what Paul taught to all and apply It to only Isreal.
Well, that is; It should not be done that way. But it often is!
IF that were true, why was Paul sent to The Gentiles?
That is enough here for now.

DeepSeeker

 

[Leumas]

Hello,
I was asked if I could explain who Isreal is.
First, Which One? The Literal Isreal, or the Spiritual Isreal,; I wounder?
The Literal Isreal is exactly that! It consists of the physical land of Isreal.
The Spiritual Isreal is however another Thing. It is those of Isreal, who accepted Jesus Christ as Their Saviour.
There are, Two Kingdoms given in The Bible text.
First is the Kingdom of Heaven. That being for Isreal.
The Second One is, The Kingdom Of God.

The question is then; Which One is for whom, When?
The Scriptures gives the answer to Those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear.
First, The Kingdom of Heaven was for Isreal, and Isreal only. Read this for Yourself.

Second is The Kingdom OF God. That Kingdom is for all who are Called by God, to be into It. Let the serious Bible student read this for themselves in The Bible scriptures.
One of the BIG PROBLEMS today is the lack of understanding which Kingdom was for Whom, when. This seems to be ignored for the most part!

When one takes a part of what was for Isreal's kingdom, and mixes it with was for Todays Kingdom, That, creates MUCH ERROR!
One cannot take what Paul taught to all and apply It to only Isreal.
Well, that is; It should not be done that way. But it often is!
IF that were true, why was Paul sent to The Gentiles?
That is enough here for now.

DeepSeeker

Tell me how any of this that you have said, makes any difference at all, with anything, pertaining to anything in your life, or anyone else's life? In fact, point out any of it that is of any value at all concerning anyone's standing with the living Lord God Almighty most high?

 

[Leumas]

I'm starting to think that here is nothing deep about your thinking, at all

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

As for what Jesus taught. First, To Whom did He teach what He taught?

To many Today take what was directed to Isreal and use It for Today! Why then, did God bother to send Paul to The Gentiles?
He sent Paul because Paull was given a very different message to give to ALL BLIEVERS OF THS AGE!
Yet; so many take what was written only to Isreal and use It as if It was written to everyone! This is why Today there are some 34,000 various Denominations in This World!
Seeing how The Spirit of God is not A Spirit of confusion; then why does This condition exist Today? Because Satan is still at work!
Sadly, to many do not do as instructed by The Bible scripture. "Study to show Yourself approved of God, a workman who need not be ashamed, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
All people are just that, people. However, Those who truly, seek to understand The Bible scriptures; need to just that! I do not write this message because I have all the correct answers; far from that. I write It to help others to think first and study correctly on The Bible text.
I have spent some 65 years doing this, with prayer for guidance and understanding. I am now in My late years of life; at least, This life.
I thank God for His Spiritual guidance in My life. I also thank Him for not being just another, Church Goer.

I have babbled on enough. I pray that This message will be of a help to Others seeking to understand The Bible text.

Deep Seeker

I appreciate your sincerity and decades of study. But decades of study don’t sanctify bad doctrine — and age doesn’t cancel what Jesus actually said.

You asked:
“To whom did Jesus teach what He taught?”

Answer: To Israel, yes — but for the Church.
He didn’t preach a separate Gospel. He is the Gospel.

“He who hears these words of Mine and does them will be like a wise man...” (Matt. 7:24)
“Go into all the world... teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” (Matt. 28:20)

Jesus didn’t say, “Just teach Paul’s letters.”
He said, teach everything I commanded you — because He’s the cornerstone, not a dispensational footnote.

“Rightly dividing the word of truth…”

That doesn’t mean cut the Bible into dispensational puzzle pieces and toss Jesus’ own words in the “not for today” pile. That’s not rightly dividing — that’s rightly ignoring.

Paul never preached a “different message.”
He preached Christ crucified, Christ risen, and Christ returning — the same Gospel.

“There is one body and one Spirit... one hope... one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” (Eph. 4:4–5)
“The Gospel I preached is not man’s gospel... I did not receive it from any man, but received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Gal. 1:11–12)

Same Gospel.
Same Christ.
One Church — Jew and Gentile together. (Eph. 2:14–16)

So no — Jesus’ words in Matthew 24 aren’t “for the Jews only.”
They are for His people, which means us, because we are the Body of Christ — grafted into Israel, partakers of the promises in Him (Gal. 3:29, Rom. 11).

He said:
“After the tribulation... then He will gather His elect.”
(Matt. 24:29–31)

That’s not Israel-only.
That’s not “another dispensation.”
That’s Jesus describing His return — and the Church has always believed Him.

Until Scofield.

You said:
“There are 34,000 denominations… so people must be confused.”
Yes — and Scofield’s Bible helped create that confusion.

Before Scofield and Darby, the Church never taught a secret rapture.
Not one apostle. Not one early Church father.
It was invented in the 1800s, and you won’t find a trace of it before that.

Jesus said:

After the tribulation (Matt. 24:29–31)
Not one taken before (Matt. 24:37–39)
The righteous endure, they don’t vanish (Matt. 24:13, Rev. 14:12)

We don’t need a Scofield chart to understand this.
We just need to read what Jesus actually said — and believe it.

With respect:
Jesus didn’t teach a separate Gospel to Israel.
He taught the Gospel.
And the Church should stop pretending otherwise.

 

[Dave M]

y! Why then, did God bother to send Paul to The Gentiles?

Paul always went to the temple first when he taught, he taught one message the same as Christ

Acts 19:10​

This continued for two years, so that all the residents of Asia heard the word of the Lord, both Jews and Greeks.

Acts 17:10-11​

The brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

 

[Dave M]

As for what Jesus taught. First, To Whom did He teach what He taught?

Believers, there are only two types of people in the Bible, believers and non believers ! why if the Bible tells us there is no distinction between people groups are you are you trying to make a distinction. ??

Romans 10:12---For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.​

Acts 10:34-35---So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.​

Galatians 3:28---There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.​

Jesus came to train up his people to go into ALL ALL OF THE WORLD to spread the gospel !!

Mark 16:15 ---And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.


Jesus came for sinners do make them well, he might have come TO Israel nation first, but he came FOR sinners both Jew and Greek

Luke 5:32---I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”​

John 3:16---“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.​

Mark 2:17---And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”​

John 10:10---The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.​

JESUS CAME TO SAVE THE WORLD !!

John 3:17​

For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

 

[Dave M]

I thank God for His Spiritual guidance in My life. I also thank Him for not being just another, Church Goer.

that sounds scary familiar

Luke 18:11-14​

The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

 

[Jesua888]

Prophecy concerning the future of Israel, not the Church.

Isa 62:4 People will not call you Deserted anymore. They will no longer name your land Empty. Instead, you will be called The One the LORD Delights In. Your land will be named The Married One. I will take delight in you. And your land will be like a bride.
Isa 62:5 As a young man gets married to a young woman, your people will marry you. As a groom is happy with his bride, I will be full of joy over you." (NiRV)

Hos 2:19 I will make Israel my own. She will belong to me forever. I will do to her what is right and fair. I will love her tenderly.
Hos 2:20 I will be faithful to her. And she will recognize me as the LORD.

I am pretty new at bible study ... and am getting pretty confused about Israel and the Rapture, and whether some bibles are following the Schofield bible?
My bible is "The Ampliefied Study Bible" and perhaps is not the bible that I should have ... I want the most accurate bible!?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I am pretty new at bible study ... and am getting pretty confused about Israel and the Rapture, and whether some bibles are following the Schofield bible?
My bible is "The Ampliefied Study Bible" and perhaps is not the bible that I should have ... I want the most accurate bible!?

If Christ, the Apostles, and the early Church Fathers all proclaimed that the Body of Christ is Israel,
then any so-called “church” that even acknowledges the Rothschild/UN-created secular state as “Israel”
isn’t just misled — it’s preaching a false gospel.

Let’s not sugarcoat it:

To stand in a pulpit and remain silent — or worse, to affirm that a Christ-rejecting nation founded in 1948 by Zionist bankers, Khazar converts, UN bureaucrats, and British colonialists is somehow the fulfillment of "God’s covenant promises" —
is to spit in the face of the King of the Jews.

Because Jesus is Israel.
He is the Seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16).
He is the true Vine (John 15:1).
He is the cornerstone, the temple, the fulfillment.
And those in Him — Jew or Gentile — are the children of promise (Rom. 9:8, Gal. 3:29).

To fail to reassure your flock that the modern state called “Israel” is a false Israel —
an abomination of political sorcery, not spiritual inheritance —
is to leave them vulnerable to one of the greatest end-time deceptions ever unleashed.

If your church can’t tell the difference between the Bride of Christ and a UN-backed beast system,
you’re not in a church.
You’re in a Zionist propaganda center with a steeple.

It's not just the Bible-type, it's the message of your church and study groups.. If they don't know and preach that the Body of Christ is Israel, then you're in the wrong one.

 

[Dave M]

Do not let anyone fool you, Jesus came to fulfill everything that the prophets spoke about him, and to be a mediator of a new covenant -- important part here,, if Jesus came for the Jews only, like so many like to claim, why is his new covenant for Jew and Gentile ? Making the old covenant obsolete.

Jesus is King of one flock not two flocks. he is talking about gentiles IMO

John 10:16​

And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.

 

[Dave M]

I am pretty new at bible study ... and am getting pretty confused about Israel and the Rapture, and whether some bibles are following the Schofield bible?
My bible is "The Ampliefied Study Bible" and perhaps is not the bible that I should have ... I want the most accurate bible!?

I would stay away from study notes, just read Gods word and let the Holy spirit lead you, far to many read study notes, and do not read the bible. God will reveal to you what he wants you to know. I have about 4 Bibles and study notes in some give several view points but mainly I read Gods word, Most people listen to sermons and podcast or read devotionals and think that is the same thing as reading Gods word, I do not believe it is.

 

[Garee]

Prophecy concerning the future of Israel, not the Church.

Isa 62:4 People will not call you Deserted anymore. They will no longer name your land Empty. Instead, you will be called The One the LORD Delights In. Your land will be named The Married One. I will take delight in you. And your land will be like a bride.
Isa 62:5 As a young man gets married to a young woman, your people will marry you. As a groom is happy with his bride, I will be full of joy over you." (NiRV)

Hos 2:19 I will make Israel my own. She will belong to me forever. I will do to her what is right and fair. I will love her tenderly.
Hos 2:20 I will be faithful to her. And she will recognize me as the LORD.

Not all that identify as born-again Israel according to the born-again name change by the Holy Father in Isaiah 62 are born again. God looks to the heart not the dying flesh.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of (born again) Israel:

Same with the new name the Father named the bride Christian. Not all that name the name Christ are born again.

Christian a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations of the world .Literally meaning; residents of the heavenly city prepared for the wife of Christ named after its founder her husband Christ

God is not a racist. His people used as metaphors in parables. Not his race.

Satan the racist identity theft. . .Racism the sin of murder. ( prejudge)

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Previously Jacob the deceiver You could say the divorced bride

Jeremiah 3:7-9;And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

I would offer. The Isaiah prophecy

Isaiah 62:1-2 For Zion's (unseen) sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake (the temporal seen) I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.;And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.