The Reward

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Notice in that scripture what they asked Jesus. They asked Jesus about something earthy. That was right before Jesus told them to wait for the Holy Spirit. They hadn't received the Holy Spirit yet and still were having a hard time understanding things. They were think of worldly things.

I think you are right that the Kingdom is the rule of God in us and the Holy Spirit, evidenced by:

Romans 14 : 17

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


1st Conrinthians 15:23-24 adds

But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


So the Kingdom which is the rule of God, which is composed of all those who are in Christ.
Which is all those who have the Holy Spirit in them. Jesus will give this Kingdom,
this collective body united by the Spirit to His Father.

So since the Kingdom is the rule of God evidenced by the Holy Spirit in a believer,
when I go back to the parable of the sower, where it takes about sowing and 50 fold, and 60, and 100 fold.

I think about this verse

2 Corinthians 9:6

Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

And I think about, the increase (whether it is harvest of souls, or other ways in which we will glorify God which will be acknowledged
in heaven, will be related to how much we use of the Holy Spirit now.

I think about how now, many believers are saved because they have the Holy Spirit, but not every believer
is operating at the same level of closeness and fellowship and power with God through the Spirit.

 

[Curtis]

Where does it say the reward will happen in this life?

I see that the reward will be openly.
But the inference that it is in this life is not one that is explicitly stated by the text.

Openly is to reveal and or to show oneself. Maybe this might be easier to get....

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.,

The word, "manifest" means to appear, to disclose, to show oneself, to cause to be seen.

When will Jesus manifest himself to those who keep his words?

 

[God's Truth]

I think you are right that the Kingdom is the rule of God in us and the Holy Spirit, evidenced by:

Romans 14 : 17

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


1st Conrinthians 15:23-24 adds

But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.


So the Kingdom which is the rule of God, which is composed of all those who are in Christ.
Which is all those who have the Holy Spirit in them. Jesus will give this Kingdom,
this collective body united by the Spirit to His Father.

So since the Kingdom is the rule of God evidenced by the Holy Spirit in a believer,
when I go back to the parable of the sower, where it takes about sowing and 50 fold, and 60, and 100 fold.

I think about this verse

2 Corinthians 9:6

Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

I take that more of meaning how much we know God.

And I think about, the increase (whether it is harvest of souls, or other ways in which we will glorify God which will be acknowledged
in heaven, will be related to how much we use of the Holy Spirit now.

I think we are seeing this the same way...it is about how much we use the Holy Spirit as in live though the Holy Spirit...by obeying him. Is that what you mean?

I think about how now, many believers are saved because they have the Holy Spirit, but not every believer
is operating at the same level of closeness and fellowship and power with God through the Spirit.

Right! That is why I speak so much about obeying. I think that many were taught to just believe and don't understand the power and life and Spirit is in doing what Jesus says to do, to have the Spirit, to live through the Spirit and the Spirit live through you. It is how we eat the flesh of Jesus.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Openly is to reveal and or to show oneself. Maybe this might be easier to get....

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.,

The word, "manifest" means to appear, to disclose, to show oneself, to cause to be seen.

When will Jesus manifest himself to those who keep his words?

What it seems you are doing is trying to connect the fact the the word openly relates to showing oneselfs
and therefore you are stating that the rewards will be openly and in this life. Still a weak connection.

We are speaking of the word "openly" because you said that openly meant in this world.
The truth is, it can be openly in this world, or openly at the judgment as well when he returns.

Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them
when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed." Luke 17:30

This revealing or coming of Jesus could be when the revelation is done openly when some will
be rewarded opening.

It sounds like you are saying the word openly means to revealed, and that
word has been used to speak of revealing things in this world such as
the Holy Spirit to the believer, therefore, everytime that word revealed or openingly
is used it must be in this world?

That is not how language works. It would be like me saying the word peace
has to do with peace in heaven because the word peace was used in a certain context
referring to heaven, therefore every time the word peace is used it must refer to
heaven.

That is a weak logical connection, as we know peace can also refer to this world .

So just because things are revealed to us in this world, you can't force and read into
the passage what it is not saying, and state that the passage is talking about this world;
because it neither specifies this world or the world to come.

What you are doing is called Eisegesis.
Eisegesis means reading into the text with a pre-conceived notion we may have.

If a sentence reads, John is going to fight Tom.
And you say, the sentence is saying he is going to punch Tom because
the last time John fought it was with a punch. That would be an interpretation
based on information not present in the text. Just because the last time he fought
with a punch, that does not mean that this time he is not fighting with a kick. The
world fight does not denote the method, and just because it says openly,
that is not way an explicit declaration of time period. No where in the dictionary
is a specific period of time tied to the word openly, unless you can prove that such
a Greek work for openly has a time context, then you would be on your way to making
a solid point.

 

[Curtis]

What it seems you are doing is trying to connect the fact the the word openly relates to showing oneselfs
and therefore you are stating that the rewards will be openly and in this life. Still a weak connections.

We are speaking of the word "openly" because you said that openly meant in this world.
The truth is, it can be openly in this world, or openly at the judgment as well when he returns.

Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them
when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. Luke 9:26

“It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed." Luke 17:30

This revealing or coming of Jesus come be when all will see, or when some will
be rewarded opening.

It sounds like you are saying the world openly means to revealed, and that
word has been used to speak of revealing things in this world such as
the Holy Spirit to the believer, therefore, everytime that word revealed or openingly
is used it must be in this world?

That is not how language works. It would be like me saying the world peace
has to do with in heaven because the world peace was used in a certain context
referring to heaven, therefore everytime the world peace is used it must refer to
heaven.

That is a weak logical connection, as we know peace can also refer to this world .

So just because things are revealed to us on this world, you can't force and read into
the passage what it is not saying, and state that the passage is talking about this world
which it neither specifics this world or the world to come. What you are doing is called Eisegesis.

Eisegesis means reading into the text with a pre-conceived notion we may have.

What is the word, "openly" mean in Greek?

phanerós; fem. phanerá, neut. phanerón, adj. from phaínō (G5316), to shine, to make to shine or to cause to appear. Apparent, manifest,

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I take that more of meaning how much we know God.

I think we are seeing this the same way...it is about how much we use the Holy Spirit as in live though the Holy Spirit...by obeying him. Is that what you mean?

Right! That is why I speak so much about obeying. I think that many were taught to just believe and don't understand the power and life and Spirit is in doing what Jesus says to do, to have the Spirit, to live through the Spirit and the Spirit live through you. It is how we eat the flesh of Jesus.

Amen brother

 

[God's Truth]

Openly is to reveal and or to show oneself. Maybe this might be easier to get....

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.,

The word, "manifest" means to appear, to disclose, to show oneself, to cause to be seen.

When will Jesus manifest himself to those who keep his words?

That scripture is about if we believe and obey Jesus he will make his home in our hearts---give us his Spirit, and manifesting himself to us is when he gives us understanding about the scriptures and helps us.

 

[God's Truth]

Amen brother

Amen.

 

[God's Truth]

Where does it say the reward will happen in this life?

I see that the reward will be openly.
But the inference that it is in this life is not one that is explicitly stated by the text.

Do you think that Curtis might be thinking of the Holy Spirit as a reward because scripture speaks of the Holy Spirit as a treasure in us?

2 Corinthians 7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. 8We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; 9Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 10Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 12So then death worketh in us, but life in you.

Colossians 2:2 …Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

What is the word, "openly" mean in Greek?

phanerós; fem. phanerá, neut. phanerón, adj. from phaínō (G5316), to shine, to make to shine or to cause to appear. Apparent, manifest,

Thanks for sharing the Greek.

So this is how this started. You @Curtis , stated

Rewards for prayer, which happens in this life.

and you cited

Mat 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Your point being that some rewards (as we discuss rewards in this thread) we know are in this life.

So, how did you know that the rewards were in this life? Did the verse say, you will be rewarded in this life?

No, the verse said you will be rewarded openly.

So your interpretation of openly for you somehow can only relate to this life, is what I gather.

The verse above speaks of doing things in secret so that God can reward you openly. The point of the verse

is the contrast between the Pharisees who would pray openly for show versus the true believers who pray in secret. The
point of this verse has to do with those who are doing their prayers in secret will be rewarded in the open.

The definition of the Greek, is good, yet it gives no context of support to the claim that this reward which is in the open (make to shine, cause to appear),
is in this life.

You could be correct, I'm just saying that it would be based on inference and it is not what the text is explicitly saying.

As Jesus continues after verse 6 He goes on to say in verse 7 and 8

And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Then from there he goes on into the Lord's prayer.

“This, then, is how you should pray: “’Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,

So Jesus says you will be "rewarded" openly. Maybe the reward is the answer to the prayer that the person is praying.
Which in that case would support your point. Because in God rewarding them openly that would glorify God
because the answered prayers points back to God.

So I think you are right on this one, I think the reward is probably the answered prayers, not necessarily the Holy Spirit,
in this particular text. Although we know that the Holy Spirit is the eternal reward.

 

[God's Truth]

Proof that you have to obey to receive the reward of eternal life.

Colossians 3:23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

Revelation 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on." "Yes," says the Spirit, "they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them."