The Reward

[God's Truth]

@Jesus_is_LORD

The reward, the gift, the inheritance, the treasure, the crown, the promise…it is all one thing and that is eternal life in the kingdom of God.

 

[God's Truth]

@Jesus_is_LORD

Show me scripture that says rewards, plural, for I see that the scriptures always say reward, as in a singular word.

 

[God's Truth]

The reward is what is awarded to those in a last will and testament.
It is also called a gift.

I don't want to move on too fast that is why I am taking this slowly.

Only a child, an heir, in the covenant/testament can receive the inheritance.
There are people who can be disqualified for the reward/inheritance/gift.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@Jesus_is_LORD

Show me scripture that says rewards, plural, for I see that the scriptures always say reward, as in a singular word.

Thanks for creating the thread.

If I showed you a scripture that had plural what would that prove to you?

I ask this question because you yourself know that sometimes people will say,
"show me this" and you show it to them, and then they come back and discredit the importance
of the point you have proven by showing them what they requested.

So what will that prove to you, or have you reconsider, if I showed you the word reward in plural?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

I did a search and I could not find the word reward in the plural in the New Testament.
Which adds some support to your point, some.

However further scrutiny brings up some important considerations for which you have
not provided me with a satisfactory and logically consistent answer.

Such as here.

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. "
Matthew 16:27

Notice, Jesus says that he will reward (verb) according to their works(noun - plural).

Sometimes the word reward is used as a verb such as he will "reward" you.
Other times it is used as a noun. You have your "reward".

When it is used as a verb (action), you would not expect it to be plural.

However when it is used as a noun, it is not fair to say that this proves that there are not different rewards in heaven.

For example, I'm not saying that necessarily individuals will have numerous types of rewards (although that is that it looks like),
I'm saying that the scriptures seen to say that there is a difference in some getting more than others.

So for example, if we are talking about payment.
I'm not saying for example John gets rewarded with 5 cars and Tom with 3 cars, (hence more reward(s).
I'm saying that the Bible sense to paint a picture such as John gets a bigger paycheck than Tom because he has worked harder.

But one could say it is the same thing because a bigger paycheck is more dollars.

Why would there need to show a difference in the parable of the talents if they were all getting the same reward?

 

[God's Truth]

I did a search and I could not find the word reward in the plural in the New Testament.
Which adds some support to your point, some.

However further scrutiny brings up some important considerations for which you have
not provided me with a satisfactory and logically consistent answer.

We just begun our discussion.

I haven't even given you a scripture yet. lol

I have a lot to show you, but do want to take it slow so you don't miss it.

Such as here.

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. "
Matthew 16:27

Notice, Jesus says that he will reward (verb) according to their works(noun - plural).

Sometimes the word reward is used as a verb such as he will "reward" you.
Other times it is used as a noun. You have your "reward".

When it is used as a verb (action), you would not expect it to be plural.

However when it is used as a noun, it is not fair to say that this proves that there are not different rewards in heaven.

For example, I'm not saying that necessarily individuals will have numerous types of rewards (although that is that it looks like),
I'm saying that the scriptures seen to say that there is a difference in some getting more than others.

So for example, if we are talking about payment.
I'm not saying for example John gets rewarded with 5 cars and Tom with 3 cars, (hence more reward(s).
I'm saying that the Bible sense to paint a picture such as John gets a bigger paycheck than Tom because he has worked harder.

No, it is saying Jesus will judge according to what each does with what they know and are given.

But one could say it is the same thing because a bigger paycheck is more dollars.

Why would there need to show a difference in the parable of the talents if they were all getting the same reward?

I explained it in the other thread to you but you might have missed t.
I'll give my explanation right here again.

For example the parable of the talents .
It is about obeying Jesus while he is gone and being ready when he comes back.
It is about how much you did with yourself and obeyed and grew in the Lord.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

We just begun our discussion.

I haven't even given you a scripture yet. lol

I have a lot to show you, but do want to take it slow so you don't miss it.



No, it is saying Jesus will judge according to what each does with what they know and are given.


I explained it in the other thread to you but you might have missed t.
I'll give my explanation right here again.

For example the parable of the talents .
It is about obeying Jesus while he is gone and being ready when he comes back.
It is about how much you did with yourself and obeyed and grew in the Lord.

Let's take it slow.

So your position is that everyone receives the same reward who is awarded correct?

Your position is that the reward is eternal life, which is the same for everyone who does get a reward, correct?

And your position is that there is no gradient or scale, some getting a higher quality of reward than another, correct? All the same reward
for those who are not going to hell and will get this "reward"?

This is your position, yes? -- I want to make sure I'm quoting you correctly so that as we proceed we all know what your position is.



My position is that when I read the Bible, I get the sense that there is a difference in the quality of rewards, some type of scale. More verse less, etc, etc.
I however don't know exactly what these rewards are. The Bible mentions crowns of life, etc, etc but not sure if that is symbolic or if it represents something
else. For example, Jesus talks of preparing "mansions" for us in heaven. Perhaps the reward is a bigger mansion for one and smaller for another, etc, etc.
That part I am stating I don't know (what the different rewards are), but I believe based on reading the scripture that indeed there will be different rewards.

 

[God's Truth]

Let's take it slow.

Right.

So your position is that everyone receives the same reward who is awarded correct?

Correct.

Your position is that the reward is eternal life, which is the same for everyone who does get a reward, correct?

Correct.

And your position is that there is no gradient or scale, some getting a higher quality of reward than another, correct? All the same reward
for those who are not going to hell and will get this "reward"?

Correct.

This is your position, yes? -- I want to make sure I'm quoting you correctly so that as we proceed we all know what your position is.

Okay.

My position is that when I read the Bible, I get the sense that there is a difference in the quality of rewards, some type of scale. More verse less, etc, etc.
I however don't know exactly what these rewards are. The Bible mentions crowns of life, etc, etc but not sure if that is symbolic or if it represents something
else. For example, Jesus talks of preparing "mansions" for us in heaven. Perhaps the reward is a bigger mansion for one and smaller for another, etc, etc.
That part I am stating I don't know (what the different rewards are), but I believe based on reading the scripture that indeed there will be different rewards.

That seems to be what most people say, they believe there will be different rewards, but they don't know what those rewards are.

I'm going to make my next post to you with scriptures saying what the reward is, the the gift, the inheritance, the treasure, the crown, the promise.

Before I go to make the next post, I want to say that I believe some Christians will suffer some punishment in the wrath, and we can talk about that in another post, but first I want to talk about rewards.

 

[God's Truth]

I do want to say that you will have to put a lot of concentration to what I am saying and the scriptures, and depending on how important it is to you will determine how carefully you consider what I am saying and the scriptures I am giving.

 

[God's Truth]

The INHERITANCE is ETERNAL LIFE:

Matthew 19:29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Luke 10:25[ The Parable of the Good Samaritan ] On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”


Can we agree that the inheritance is eternal life?

 

[God's Truth]

@Jesus_is_LORD
I just want you to know that the post I made before this one (post #10), I didn't notify you by putting @Jesus_is_LORD , and, I don't want to go on to the next scriptures I have to discuss with you until we can agree before going on. Is this okay with you?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

The INHERITANCE is ETERNAL LIFE:

Matthew 19:29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Luke 10:25[ The Parable of the Good Samaritan ] On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”


Can we agree that the inheritance is eternal life?

Yes.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@Jesus_is_LORD
I just want you to know that the post I made before this one (post #10), I didn't notify you by putting @Jesus_is_LORD , and, I don't want to go on to the next scriptures I have to discuss with you until we can agree before going on. Is this okay with you?

Yes

 

[God's Truth]

Yes.

Good, we agree:
The inheritance is eternal life.
Now to the next.


The INHERITANCE is the REWARD.


Colossians 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.It is the Lord Christ you are serving.

Colossians 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.It is the Lord Christ you are serving.


Do you agree that the inheritance of eternal life is the reward?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Good, we agree:
The inheritance is eternal life.
Now to the next.


The INHERITANCE is the REWARD.


Colossians 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.It is the Lord Christ you are serving.

Colossians 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.It is the Lord Christ you are serving.


Do you agree that the inheritance of eternal life is the reward?

In this passage yes.

Take note that this word used in this passage for "the reward" only has one occurrence and is not the same word
used in the other passages you referenced.

Greek Concordance: ἀνταπόδοσιν (antapodosin) -- 1 Occurrence

biblehub.com

But let's continue, yes, in this passage it speaks of the inheritance being the reward.
That still does not mean that there is not different degrees.

I can say I will give you a car as your reward, that does not mean that one doesn't get
a Ford and another a Rolls Royce. Both getting a reward of a car, but the quality can be different, Yes?

Eternal life (The Inhertiance) can be the reward but that doesn't mean that some
will not spend eternal life closer to God like 24 elders, or the Cherubs, and others not experience as much
of God's glory in eternity.

But continue.

 

[God's Truth]

In this passage yes.

So in this scripture you agree that the inheritance is the reward?


Colossians 3:24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward.It is the Lord Christ you are serving.


And you agreed with the other scripture saying the inheritance is eternal life.

That means you agree that the reward is eternal life.

So far agree?

Take note that this word used in this passage for "the reward" only has one occurrence and is not the same word
used in the other passages you referenced.

Hold on now, what do you mean the word used in this passage for the 'reward' has one occurrence and is not the same word?

This is important because I don't want to move on if I don't understand or you don't understand.

And, I still want to know if you agree with what I said on the other thread about no scripture says rewards as in plural?

Greek Concordance: ἀνταπόδοσιν (antapodosin) -- 1 Occurrence

biblehub.com

That url doesn't show me anything.

But let's continue, yes, in this passage it speaks of the inheritance being the reward.
That still does not mean that there is not different degrees.

Different degrees of eternal life?????

The inheritance is eternal life.

You agreed to that earlier.

I can say I will give you a car as your reward, that does not mean that one doesn't get
a Ford and another a Rolls Royce. Both getting a reward of a car, but the quality can be different, Yes?

The scripture says the reward is the inheritance of eternal life.
Eternal life is eternal life.
So no, I don't think the car is a good analogy.
You mean like eternal life in a worse part in the kingdom of heaven, or a harder eternal life in the kingdom of heaven?
Wouldn't that go against what the scriptures say about no more tears, etc.
Do you think there can be a worse part of heaven?

Eternal life (The Inhertiance) can be the reward but that doesn't mean that some
will not spend eternal life closer to God like 24 elders, or the Cherubs, and others not experience as much
of God's glory in eternity.

Okay, so you do believe that heaven has better parts then? There are 144,000 who follow Jesus where ever he goes, but I believe they are already with him now, and, there are the elders...but I believe that when there is a new earth and heaven is on earth and Jesus hands the kingdom over to the Father that it means because we will all be exactly the same and no one has anyone over them anymore.

I do not think that I could believe there are worse parts of the kingdom of God and that some might not have as good eternal life. You would have to show me with scriptures.

But continue.

Okay, for the next scriptures...

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Yes I believe eternal life is the reward. Yes.

The question is, to put it bluntly, is there like a class system in heaven in a sense where some will
have more than others. Not that those who have less will mind, because they will be humble
and accept it and be happy. But will some have a greater degree of seeing God's glory
because on earth they better prepared themselves through sanctification?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

We do know that there are various rankings with the angels in heaven.

And we do know that Lucifer had a greater status than the other angels
and in a sense had greater glory.

Do you agree that the angels had different ranks evidenced by their power and authority given by God?
If this is so, you think we will be different and all be equal, and not in the same system of ranking
like the angels?

Jesus said,
"When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
Mark 12:25

So in what way will we be like the angels? Granted that question was about marriage,
and not rewards but it seems Jesus is saying that it won't be focused on another person but we will be serving like
the angels, and it will all focus on God. Now in service you don't think there will be ranks?

 

[God's Truth]

Yes I believe eternal life is the reward. Yes.

The question is, to put it bluntly, is there like a class system in heaven in a sense where some will
have more than others.

I don't see how that would be. Maybe if we come across something we can discuss it, but I can't think of any scripture, except maybe Psalm 84:10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.

I don't believe though that that scripture is supposed to be demonstrative of different classes of jobs in heaven.

Not that those who have less will mind, because they will be humble

If they are that humble, then that person would get more. It is to the humble.

and accept it and be happy. But will some have a greater degree of seeing God's glory
because on earth they better prepared themselves through sanctification?

We have to talk about this sanctification thing. I think we probably have different beliefs on it.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.

Good verse, I was thinking of verses like this as well.