The Nature of Temptations

[BLACKSHEEP]

Jesus is NOT God the Father, neither is the Father Jesus. The holy Spirit is NOT the Father or Jesus, yet they are one God. If you ever get to see God, you will see Jesus because Jesus is God's body, and in Jesus lives all the fullness of the Godhead "bodily" (Father,Son,Holy Spirit)

That makes no sense to me. I know that's how some Trinitarians describe the doctrine, but in my view, it's really bad...Look at this outrageous contradiction...

Unpacking the doctrine
The idea that there is One God, who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit means:

• There is exactly one God
• The Father is God
• The Son is God
• The Holy Spirit is God
• The Father is not the Son
• The Son is not the Holy Spirit
• The Father is not the Holy Spirit

One person says about the trinity...

A difficult but fundamental concept within Christianity, the Trinity is the belief that God is three separate persons but is still a single God.

How can something be a fundamental concept and at the same time be a difficult concept?

Fundamental...

serving as, or being an essential part of, a foundation or basis; basic; underlying:

Here's a good one...the same person says...

"The Trinity is a controversial doctrine; many Christians admit they don't understand it, while many more Christians don't understand it but think they do."

The mystery of the Trinity: (1+1+1=1) = Nonsense!
This idea that three persons add up to one individual seems like nonsense. And logically, it is.

...the doctrine of the Trinity so easily appears to be an intellectual puzzle with no relevance to the faith of most Christians.

Karen Kilby
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Absolutely nothing worthwhile for the practical life can be made out of the doctrine of the Trinity taken literally.

Immanuel Kant, Der Streit der Fakultätencite>
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Trinitarians will tell you that the doctrine of trinity is controversial, incomprehensible, and undecipherable. Yet many of them condemn you if you don't believe in it.

 

[Curtis]

The mystery of the Trinity: (1+1+1=1) = Nonsense!
This idea that three persons add up to one individual seems like nonsense. And logically, it is.

Simple answer.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[BLACKSHEEP]

Simple answer.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

That answers nothing. You don't have it within you to confront this head on. I could flip the tables on you and quote the same thing but I won't because I don't condemn trinitarians, JW'S, SDA'S or any one else...! The Trinity doctrine IS NOT 'the things of God'. It's a man made doctrine devised by the Catholic's. So now you're telling me that I'm not a Christian?
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The natural man is where we all start life, the life inherited from Adam. The natural man is unregenerate man, unsaved man.

We have to deal with the material world, so there is nothing inherently sinful in “natural” life. God is not displeased when you have to eat and sleep and work. But life on this level is without spiritual insight: the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God.
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[KingJ]

What makes you think that because I said Jesus is God and he said his Father is greater, that means that there's not one God? You're implying there are two Gods! That's a typical trinitarian tactic. Some say I believe in a different Jesus. Some say like you allude to there being two different God's. I wish you guys would get things right.
Did Jesus makes sense when he said,

You are truly confusing. Are you now saying Jesus is not God?

If, NO, then grasp God is God. Equal is equal. Jesus is God. God is Jesus. ABC logic.

If, Yes, then you are in error.

If, Yes and NO, which is what it sounds like, then you are in error.

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." There are several scriptures that show Jesus is subordinate to the Father

That is because He was in a human state. On earth. A lamb to the slaughter.

The Trinity is a terribly fabricated and contradictory doctrine.

Now you saying Jesus is not God?

Triads of gods appeared in all the ancient cultures of Sumer, Babylonia, Egypt, India, Greece and finally Rome.

Do you have any idea how the Trinity developed and why the Protestants accepted it?/QUOTE]Not uncommon for devil and demons to replicate and cause confusion.

 

[Br. Bear]

To me what matters is if i love Him

 

[Dave M]

To me what matters is if i love Him

Bear thats easy to Love him,

the hard part is to love everyone as he did.

 

[BLACKSHEEP]

Kingj said,

You are truly confusing. Are you now saying Jesus is not God?

How many times do I have to tell you that I believe Jesus is God but only that God is greater because Jesus said so!

If, NO, then grasp God is God. Equal is equal. Jesus is God. God is Jesus. ABC logic.

Is this what you call equal???

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

“The Son cannot do anything at his own pleasure, he can only do what he sees his Father doing.” (John 5:19 KJV)

“But I would have you know that the head of every man in Christ and the head of the woman is the man and the head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3). Does that sound like they're co-equal? the above three verses DEBUNK the Trinity doctrine!

There's no such thing as ABC logic when trinitarians themselves tell you that the trinity cannot be fully explained or understood!

Here is your ABC logic...

• There is exactly one God
• The Father is God
• The Son is God
• The Holy Spirit is God
• The Father is not the Son
• The Son is not the Holy Spirit
• The Father is not the Holy Spirit

So now lets go to the trinity fabrications that attempt to cover up these contradictions...

You said,

That is because He was in a human state. On earth. A lamb to the slaughter.

That's a losing argument and contradictory to the Trinity doctrine which states that, "Jesus is 100% God and 100% man!"

Besides that, I know you can't support that concept with scripture!

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” (1 Timothy 2:5

“Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort.” (2Corinthians 1:3 KJV)

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 1:3 KJV)

I said, "The Trinity is a terribly fabricated and contradictory doctrine."

You replied,

Now you saying Jesus is not God?

No, I never said that, so maybe you should try to get things right. Trinitarians are notorious at misquoting people. The fabricated and contradictory Trinity doctrine is what you've accepted, so don't presume what I believe by the falsity you've accepted. I've told you multiple times that Jesus is God and only that God is greater. You are behaving like the typical misled Trinitarian.

 

[BLACKSHEEP]

Bear thats easy to Love him,

the hard part is to love everyone as he did.

That has been my issue with Trinitarians over the last 4-5 years. Diehard Trinitarians love to misquote and condemn people. By claiming they have superior knowledge, doctrine and understanding, they spiritually elevate themselves while condemning those of us who believe different. Many of them accuse us non-Trinitarians as believing in a different God and a different Jesus. I just don't see the love of Jesus Christ in many Trinitarians.

I started going to a Church where I don't get condemned for what I believe. Since being restored, I'm involved in the music ministry and am on the board of Trustees. I love the Lord and the people in my church. That was the only way for me to BE restored....to get away from trinitarians!

 

[Dave M]

That has been my issue with Trinitarians over the last 4-5 years. Diehard Trinitarians love to misquote and condemn people. By claiming they have superior knowledge, doctrine and understanding, they spiritually elevate themselves while condemning those of us who believe different. Many of them accuse us non-Trinitarians as believing in a different God and a different Jesus. I just don't see the love of Jesus Christ in many Trinitarians.

I started going to a Church where I don't get condemned for what I believe. Since being restored, I'm involved in the music ministry and am on the board of Trustees. I love the Lord and the people in my church. That was the only way for me to BE restored....to get away from trinitarians!

one thing I find more and more of as I read and speak with other deliverers is that non of them believe in the same thing as far as details. I do not understand all of the bible, I believe it is Gods word though and seek the truth. But I know my mind has changed on many things concerning his word. I try to take that into account when someone believes different then me. As long as we all beleive Jesus died for our sins, Jesus is God. And we are to follow his commandments.

I think the truth is anyone who claims to know it all is full of it .

 

[Curtis]

No body will ever see God the Father without seeing Jesus, because Jesus is God's body!!

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

 

[BLACKSHEEP]

No body will ever see God the Father without seeing Jesus, because Jesus is God's body!!

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Right, Jesus is God's body. Ever thought of acquiring a hermeneutic?

The Trinity is Catholic doctrine and the central doctrine of the Church. Most Protestants believe that most Catholic doctrines are erroneous, so why are they so indoctrinated about the Trinity? It's because they don't investigate this themselves and let others do their homework. The Trinity and the Godhead are two different things. The word trinity isn't in the bible and there's no trinitarian formula in the bible. It's a fabricated idea devised by Rome. Godhead means to be godlike and divine. The word is used in three places in the NT and each time it's a different word. Basically it refers to a divine nature, not any sort of co-equal trinity. It means Jesus originated from God, not that he is fully God.

 

[Br. Bear]

Bear thats easy to Love him,

the hard part is to love everyone as he did.

Greetings Dave,

I didn't realise they were separate.
I figured that if you didn't love others you aint loving God.
I am sure it is written through and through.

Perhaps we need it written on our hearts or something? Maybe we need a little of Him in us to do it?

If you take the loving others part out of Scripture you wouldn't have much of a Bible left.

Grace and Peace


Bless you ....><>

ps.. maybe we find it difficult to love others because we only are willing to love them with the same depth of "easy" love that we love the Lord with?
Whatever you've done to the least of these.. not the greatest, but the least.... you've done to Me.

 

[Curtis]

Ever thought of acquiring a hermeneutic?

Only one who possesses a rational method of interpretation (i.e., a hermeneutic) could determine the truth or falsity of a message.

This total false hood. The Bible is not rational, or logical, it is illogical, not rational, so why would anyone want to use some kind of rational method to try and interpret it meaning when it is the "anointing" (Christ) that teaches us all things?
The Apostle Paul warned the Church about people who try and understand scripture by this method.

Col 2:8 Make sure no one captures you. They will try to capture you by using false reasoning that has no meaning. Their ideas depend on human teachings. They also depend on the basic things the people of this world believe. They don't depend on Christ.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

This total false hood. The Bible is not rational, or logical, it is illogical, not rational, so why would anyone want to use some kind of rational method to try and interpret it meaning when it is the "anointing" (Christ) that teaches us all things?
The Apostle Paul warned the Church about people who try and understand scripture by this method.

While I understand what you are putting forth (whether i agree or not is nothing to do with that) the two verses of Scripture you used have little to nothing to do with your 'argument'.

So, does that render what you stated also as "total false hood"?

It is OK to some to come across as an authority on another man's words but if we do so and misquote Scripture to do so....

Please try to use Scripture properly. I know you want to and that you desire to show God's love.

I am not taking sides here, simply passing on an observation. If you don't believe me, read the passages that the quoted verses were taken from.

Post In Peace


Bless you ....><>

 

[Curtis]

It is OK to some to come across as an authority on another man's words but if we do so and misquote Scripture to do so....

Brother, I stand by what I said. The scripture I quoted is about people who would try and misinterpret the Word based on using philosophy, vain deceit, human traditions , human religion and world principles contrary to the gospel.
The anointing is method God has chosen to teach his children, and anything else would cause some to be lead astray as captives to false teaching.

Col 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

thank you for your kind reply.

The anointing is method God has chosen to teach his children, and anything else would cause some to be lead astray as captives to false teaching.

Does this mean we don't need the Bible any more? Taking it to the extreme. here.
Sometimes if we stretch something we will see if it breaks or not.
Must be like a child!
Ever seen them keep at something to see how far... then wahhhh!!! it broke.

Grace and peace to you


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

The anointing is method God has chosen to teach his children, and anything else would cause some to be lead astray as captives to false teaching.

parphrase:
you know you have the anointing of God, as you have Jesus, and the Spirit of His Son in your hearts whereby you cry, ABBA Father... so don't let any body or anything ever steal that hope you have in you, away from you!
Don't get conned by any liar who tries to tell you that Jesus did not rise, that there is no resurrection, that you have to come at God some other way!! You, brethren know it to be true, because of the anointing in you.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Curtis]

parphrase:
you know you have the anointing of God, as you have Jesus, and the Spirit of His Son in your hearts whereby you cry, ABBA Father... so don't let any body or anything ever steal that hope you have in you, away from you!
Don't get conned by any liar who tries to tell you that Jesus did not rise, that there is no resurrection, that you have to come at God some other way!! You, brethren know it to be true, because of the anointing in you.


Bless you ....><>

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

This is not "hermeneutics"

 

[Br. Bear]

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

yes,
paraphrase:
you don't need to go anywhere else. And don't get conned that you do. Stay put. This is your abode, the abode of God in Christ Jesus the Lord

what a blessing!

Praise the Lord

 

[Born Again 2004]

That is exactly it, an anointing in you...this is a spiritual method, by which you are a human in a physical world and, yet you just know who God is without anyone else telling you! Thank you!