The Lamb of God

[Born Again 2004]

May I ask why you posted this again?
No one is tearing down the church.
At least I don't see it in this thread.
Blessings

Posting was a Clerical error! Was not meant to re-iterate!

 

[Born Again 2004]

I can partially agree.

What part....that there is no impossibilities for our God?

For God simply will not go against what He has already said in His Word.

• I would have to back off and say that one is an impossibility for God.
• So, when it comes to his word, I will ask again....did he say skins or skins from animals that he killed?

 

[Christ4Ever]

All through the old testiment the blood was used for the covering of sin.
Why is that?

For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11

and so........

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Ephesians 1:7

And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5

Felt moved to add these verses which could easily turn into so many more!

Isn't He Wonderful Brothers & Sister!!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Born Again 2004]

My point was why you said the above?

Is any one of the things I listed an untruth?

God is not a whimsical Being making it up as this thing goes.

Who said that?

Why is that?

Because it was a precursor to the finality of the cross where Jesus took away sin! Is that not also a truth

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So, when it comes to his word, I will ask again....did he say skins or skins from animals that he killed?

Depends on what you are reading.
If you dig into some Jewish and Greek translations concerning His word you will get more understanding.

Don't limit yourself to the KJ which is just another translation.
No I don't have any issues with the KJ.

Here is the deal......you want me to say that the bible on my lap says it one way......so as to make your point and that's not a bad thing.

However it still will not dismiss what is written in deeper studies using Jewish and Greek translations.

So let's just move on before you get upset again.

Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Is any one of the things I listed an untruth?

Who said that?

Because it was a precursor to the finality of the cross where Jesus took away sin! Is that not also a truth

If we are going to get truthful answers we need to go back up to the original quote because each time it's repliedon it's losing meaning and changing.

 

[Born Again 2004]

If we are going to get truthful answers we need to go back up to the original quote because each time it's repliedon it's losing meaning and changing.

So reading the Bible does no good?

 

[Born Again 2004]

If we are going to get truthful answers we need to go back up to the original quote because each time it's repliedon it's losing meaning and changing.

So you are a scholar in Hebrew and Aramaic?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So reading the Bible does no good?

Please Stop Brother.
This game of turning what is said into something that was not said is a game I will not play.

Now @Born Again 2004 you know very well I did not ever say that.

Depends on what you are reading.
If you dig into some Jewish and Greek translations concerning His word you will get more understanding.

Don't limit yourself to the KJ which is just another translation.
No I don't have any issues with the KJ.

Now why would you say I said reading the Bible does no good?

Have a great night bro,
Blessings

 

[Lanolin]

Think about it. The tree of good and evil held knowledge of good and evil.
Man ate of it and loosed the curse into this world and loosed sin and the curse into man.

It was a done deal. The tree had no more hidden truth. There would be no more tree of good and evil.

The entire Garden Changed that day.
You See the tree of Life in the beginning in Genesis and we see it in the end in the book of Revelation.

After the fall there was no more forbidden fruit. Man already had what the fruit held.

Blessings
W4F

Um..I dont really follow your line of thinking sorry.

I am sticking to what my bible says for now, at least that is clear to me cos I dont have the other bibles.

Your jewish writings or chumash are interesting but, some of it I find inconsistent. Apochrypha is just that though, some other peoples commentary that isnt scripture. Not to say dont contribute, but dont take it a as scripture. I mean jewish writings probably would not acknowledge Jesus as messiah so be wary of that even if you do just read them for insight into the OT.

Anyhow lets go on to Genesis 4 where Cain sees God is pleased with Abels offering and not his.
What does he do? He goes and kills Abel.

God asks him where is Abel, and Cain tells the first lie.

I know not Am I my brothers keeper?

God says what has thou done? The voice of thy brothers blood crieth unro me from the ground.

Just interrupting here, note that Cain asks if hes his brothers keeper. He doesnt know anything about looking after his brother. Abel would because he keeps sheep. Anoher interesting thing,,,his brothers blood cries from the ground. Probably not literally, but an interesting way of putting it. Suggesting even when we die, that blood is still a living thing?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So you are a scholar in Hebrew and Aramaic?

W

So you are a scholar in Hebrew and Aramaic?

No Sir but I can read and when something gets my attention and I desire for a deeper understanding I seek God and follow His leading and through prayer and study I gain a deeper understanding.

A Scholar ? Lol not hardly.
As always it's a blessed pleasure talking with you.
Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Um..I dont really follow your line of thinking sorry.

I am sticking to what my bible says for now, at least that is clear to me c

Well Glory to God its in your Bible.
What happened to the land as the curse was loosed?

The only tree that it is written about being saved and protected is the tree of Life.

The tree of good and evil had a purpose as long as no one ate of it.
Once it was ate of, the knowledge it held went out.

The tree would be useless after that.
In fact the entire garden changed other then God's Tree.
Blessings

 

[Lanolin]

Well Glory to God its in your Bible.
What happened to the land as the curse was loosed?

The only tree that it is written about being saved and protected is the tree of Life.

The tree of good and evil had a purpose as long as no one ate of it.
Once it was ate of, the knowledge it held went out.

The tree would be useless after that.
In fact the entire garden changed other then God's Tree.
Blessings

I thought it was the seed that was spread everywhere, thats why theres so many weeds as Adam and eve basically released the curse..thorns and thistles will grow and adams sons would forever be weeding, while Eve would be continue to have children in sorrow and pain to help with this neverending task.

So Cain might have offered to God fruit from this awful tree. He couldnt offer from the tree of life as it was barred. Although it does say fruit from the ground. It could have been potatoes, maybe green ones.

 

[Lanolin]

Brothers can we stick to the topic, perhaps make another thread if you both want to nut out what being perfect means.

Genesis 4. Well lets look at Cain and Abel. Abel did offer an acceptable sacrifice, the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof. Cain did not, and when God was not pleased, he got angry and instead of perhaps asking Abel for a lamb or some advice he went and killed Abel instead.

Hebrews 11:4 This is interesting cos it says 'by it being dead yet speaketh' referring to his blood crying out from the ground.

As we know Jesus was the perfect sacrifice - what was God looking at even when he was dead, well it was not so much his body broken before him while that was important, but his blood. See Hebrews 10:11-14 especially verse 14.

 

[B-A-C]

This is interesting cos it says 'by it being dead yet speaketh' referring to his blood crying out from the ground.

This isn't what it says.

It says...

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

You left out the word "he". It isn't the blood that still speaks. It is Abel that still speaks. An easier to read translation says...

By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks.

One little word makes a big difference.

 

[Lanolin]

Oh you right I did leave out he.

Funny, even though I still read it the same that his blood cries out. I will quote passage in full, you dont need to look in ten different translations to figure out what it means.

By faith abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts, and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

This refers to cain killing abel. So Abel even though he died soon after, abel was counted as righteous.
Why speaketh...well isnt that referring to his blood crying out from the ground which is referenced in Genesis.

I suppose you could look at it two ways.

Maybe abel was screaming as Cain killed him. 'The voice of thy brothers blood crieth unto me from the ground'

Or, because I am rather dense and literal person I take it to mean..Abels blood was crying on the ground. Which, well, blood doesnt cry does it?!

Although blood is a living substance.

I am typing on ipad so its hard to type as you might have noticed my posts tend to be full of typos. Please forgive me I am constantly editing them cos i look back and see ive spelled things wrong when my fingers tap the wrong key. I probably need to poke it with a stick.

 

[At Peace]

Brothers can we stick to the topic, perhaps make another thread if you both want to nut out what being perfect means.

Genesis 4. Well lets look at Cain and Abel. Abel did offer an acceptable sacrifice, the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof. Cain did not, and when God was not pleased, he got angry and instead of perhaps asking Abel for a lamb or some advice he went and killed Abel instead.

Hebrews 11:4 This is interesting cos it says 'by it being dead yet speaketh' referring to his blood crying out from the ground.

As we know Jesus was the perfect sacrifice - what was God looking at even when he was dead, well it was not so much his body broken before him while that was important, but his blood. See Hebrews 10:11-14 especially verse 14.

Oops!
I will comply...

 

[At Peace]

I suppose you could look at it two ways.

Maybe abel was screaming as Cain killed him. 'The voice of thy brothers blood crieth unto me from the ground'

Or, because I am rather dense and literal person I take it to mean..Abels blood was crying on the ground. Which, well, blood doesnt cry does it?!

Although blood is a living substance.

I think you are being too literal here.
A good corollary might be Thomas Jefferson (writer of our declaration of independence)...or Martin Luther King, whose words are as true today as when they were originally spoken.
They "cry out" from the past that "all men are created equal".

 

[Lanolin]

Would it be similar to John the baptist voice crying in the wilderness ..another time when someone cries in the bible is Rachel crying over her children. Or the entire book of Lamentations.

In Matthew 2:16 King Herod does a very similar thing to what Cain does. He gets angry and kills the innocent. Just because baby Jesus is recognised as King and he isnt.

Imagine how Eve feels when she finds out her son is murdered. The bible doesnt actually say how their parents reacted. They eventually have another son called Seth.

Anyway, in Genesis we already have pictures of lambs being sacrificed, for clothing, for offering.
The firstlings of the flock...is something precious to God. Is this a picture of Jesus? Or am I reading too much into it. Why is Jesus called 'the lamb of God?'

 

[amadeus2]

Well Glory to God its in your Bible.
What happened to the land as the curse was loosed?

The only tree that it is written about being saved and protected is the tree of Life.

The tree of good and evil had a purpose as long as no one ate of it.
Once it was ate of, the knowledge it held went out.

The tree would be useless after that.
In fact the entire garden changed other then God's Tree.
Blessings

Does it not appear at times that people are partaking repeatedly of that wrong tree? It started with one simple rule which was simply disobeyed. Man has grown from there in his own ways including a tremendous knowledge through scientific study and such. Look at where the world of men [outside of believers, but including them as well in a measure] is today. We started twisting God's simple and perfect way after that first sin. For example as consider what Jesus said here:

"And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matt 19:4-6

Yet when we read the OT we see where polygamy was an apparently accepted way for even some of the so called patriarchs and even David the man after God's own heart.

How could David be one flesh with all of his several wives? What I see is that man had moved so far away from the simple perfect of Eden prior to that first disobedience, that God had to continuously guide people one step at the time to His right Way. The problem was that people kept on eating from that wrong tree. The possibility of really reversing this for most people did not exist until Jesus made a Way for it to happen.