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There is so much in the bible about the Lamb of God and for us believers its important to know who the Lamb of God is and why He came. Also why He needed to shed his blood.

So why a lamb? I'm a bit annoyed that I cannot find my thread because thought it best to start at the beginning at Genesis.

That ball of wool must have rolled away somewhere...I have been searching up and down TJ for it! It is like the one that went astray..?!

Anyway so in Genesis 4, Adam and Eve sin and find they are naked, and given their punishement yet God has mercy on them and clothes them. It says he clothed them with skins but where did He get the skin from. Was it snakeskin?

Lets go to Genesis 5 where we read Eve gives birth to two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain and Abel are given different jobs...Cain to till the ground and Abel to keep sheep. Why sheep?

I could tell you all about sheep as my country is covered in them! They are used for both meat and wool, ie, food and clothing. But I would think that adam and eve were not eating meat back then. So it would have been Abel was keeping them for their wool. Remember they needed clothes!!

Anyway please join in if you interested in hearing about the Lamb of God as Jesus said my sheep listen to my voice, another they will not listen.

Sorry thats Genesis 4.

Abel and Cain work hard and its time to offer the fruits of their labour to God, so Abel offers the firstlings of his flock and the fat up to Him and Cain offers his fruits from the ground.

Question, why the fat?

Another question, why is God pleased with Abels offering and not Cains?
 
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Abels offering and not Cains?
If you look into Hebrew scripture you will find it indicates that Cain brought or offered to God Third picking.
Third or late picking is worthless and not much good for anything but animal feed
REFERENCE...........The Chumash, ed Rabbi Nosson Scherman, Art Scroll Series, Stone Edition, Travel Size (Brooklyn Mesorah Publications, 1998...p.21)

In Gen 4:7 you see.........if you do well, will you not be excepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And it's desire is for you, but you should rule over it.

Now God called that type of offering sin. God did not condemn Cain right away. God gave cain another opertunity as to repent and do it again or offer up his best. You see this in Gen 4:7 ..above
However cain got offended....all cain cared about was getting the blessing. Cain allowed the devil to get him so riled and angry that he killed abel. Abel from the start brought his best.....God excepted this......from the Start.

Blessings
FCJ

It says he clothed them with skins but where did He get the skin from. Was it snakeskin?
That was the First Sacrifice
God had to have sacrificed (slain) animal (s) to get the skin or fur to dress them in.

Think about it, there they stand before God with cobbled up fig leaves that Adam made and leave in Fur Cloths that God made.

Those must have been some good fitting clothes that God Made.
Blessings
W4F
 
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Maybe he sacrifice no animal. How did he make Adam and Eve. The stories of the resurrected Jesus revealing himself clothed...how does that work? Burning bush that is not consumed?....Mysteries and marvels of our God....Just saying!

There is so much in the bible about the Lamb of God and for us believers its important to know who the Lamb of God is and why He came. Also why He needed to shed his blood.
He came the first time not to judge but save by offering himself as last and final, pure and innocent Lamb for sacrifice and shedding of blood for our forgiveness.God has told us there is no forgiveness of sins without he shedding of Blood!
 
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Maybe he sacrifice no animal. How did he make Adam and Eve. The stories of the resurrected Jesus revealing himself clothed...how does that work? Burning bush that is not consumed?....Mysteries and marvels of our God....Just saying!
Research this and you won't have to say maybe
:wink: Just Sayen!
Blessings
 
Loyal
I won't say maybe and no research needed....What I will say and I am sure you agree...is that there are no impossibles for our God! :wink::wink:
I can partially agree.
For God simply will not go against what He has already said in His Word.
Yes All things are Possible with God but God will not go against what He has already said or put into place.

Adam made a covering for their sin
The fig leaf mess.

Nothing man can do can cover up sin.
God had to clothe them to cover up their sin. Only God can take away the stench of sin.

Genesis says God clothed them in skins.
Genesis also talks about Abel raises sheep – not for eating as man was vegetarian , but for both clothing and for offering as an animal sacrifice before the LORD

Before this Adam had no understanding or need for clothes little know animal sacrifices. They simply had no NEED.

So now Abel raises sheep for Clothing and animal sacrifice.

If God would have made some artificial fur or just manifested sheep fur to clothe them, Abel would not know about raising sheep or the Need to even kill a sheep FOR clothing AND SACRIFICE unto God for their sins.

First Disobedience by man against God was in the garden by Adam.

The first animal sacrifice to cover sin was in the garden by God.
Animal sacrifice was used until Jesus and the cross.

The first murder was in the garden by cain over abel.
Think about this, there were only 4 human beings on this planet and our enemy the devil was able to deceive one to the point of killing another.

So no research or understanding needed? Hmm it beats guessing and or imaginations. .... lol
:rofl:

Up until a few years back I thought God just spoke clothes into existence, then during some schooling I was shown differently.
Sin was vitally evil and against God and His Plan. The Blood of Animals Was Required by God to cover up their sins.

If I run across the info with the translations and references I will post it. When I took this job 14 years ago I pitched 98 percent of my belongings.

Have a great day brother
Blessings
W4F
 
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If you look into Hebrew scripture you will find it indicates that Cain brought or offered to God Third picking.
Third or late picking is worthless and not much good for anything but animal feed
REFERENCE...........The Chumash, ed Rabbi Nosson Scherman, Art Scroll Series, Stone Edition, Travel Size (Brooklyn Mesorah Publications, 1998...p.21)

In Gen 4:7 you see.........if you do well, will you not be excepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And it's desire is for you, but you should rule over it.

Now God called that type of offering sin. God did not condemn Cain right away. God gave cain another opertunity as to repent and do it again or offer up his best. You see this in Gen 4:7 ..above
However cain got offended....all cain cared about was getting the blessing. Cain aloud the devil to get him so riled and angry that he killed abel. Abel from the start brought his best.....God excepted this......from the Start.

Blessings
FCJ
Is this in your hebrew bible wired4fishen? Interesting...

I wondered about the fat whether it was just lanolin (grease from the wool) or whether Abel actually sacrificed one of his flock, offering meat with fat.

He would have offered a lamb without blemish or spot as it so often says so in the bible. But I dont know whether this would be alive or dead in the beginning.

Cains offering, which was fruit, I wonder if he dared to offer the forbidden fruit? God wouldnt have been pleased with that even if it was the firstfruit. Later in the bible does it say that fruit offerings were required, and if so, any specific kind?
 
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Is this in your hebrew bible wired4fishen? Interesting...
No I don't currently own that one.

I wondered about the fat whether it was just lanolin (grease from the wool) or whether Abel actually sacrificed one of his flock, offering meat with fat.
Here is the same passage from the Youngs Literal Translation

and Abel, he hath brought, he also, from the female firstlings of his flock, even from their fat ones; and Jehovah looketh unto Abel and unto his present,

This will give you a better idea of "Fat"

He would have offered a lamb without blemish or spot as it so often says so in the bible. But I dont know whether this would be alive or dead in the beginning
CEV
and Abel also gave an offering to the LORD. He killed the first-born lamb from one of his sheep and gave the LORD the best parts of it. The LORD was pleased with Abel and his offering,

Cains offering, which was fruit, I wonder if he dared to offer the forbidden fruit? God wouldnt have been pleased with that even if it was the firstfruit.
No the Forbidden Fruit was in the center of the Garden guarded by angels. No man got close to it again.

God Rejected cains offering of fruit because it was junk, rotten and not even good enough for anything other then animal feed.

See Abel showed how much he Loved and Cherished God by Honoring God with the Best of the Best.
That Pleased God very much.

Now cain on the other hand gathered the third picking. That's what's left after the best has been already picked and then the Second picking of your average fruit and then gave unto God what was left that either would have been left to rot or feed animals.

God was not pleased and even though God truly saw how little cain respected Him , God still gave cain a second chance to redeem himself.

Cain chose to entertain the thoughts from satan about his brother and God favoring Abel over cain and so forth and grew very angry and in a fit of rage killed abel .
Later in the bible does it say that fruit offerings were required, and if so, any specific kind?
Yes at one point fruits were used as tithe unto God.

Lev27:30-32
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s. It is holy to the Lord. If a man wants at all to redeem any of his tithes, he shall add one-fifth to it. And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord.

Blessings
W4F
 
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I can partially agree.
For God simply will not go against what He has already said in His Word.
Yes All things are Possible with God but God will not go against what He has already said or put into place.

Adam made a covering for their sin
The fig leaf mess.

Nothing man can do can cover up sin.
God had to clothe them to cover up their sin. Only God can take away the stench of sin.

Genesis says God clothed them in skins.
Genesis also talks about Abel raises sheep – not for eating as man was vegetarian , but for both clothing and for offering as an animal sacrifice before the LORD

Before this Adam had no understanding or need for clothes little know animal sacrifices. They simply had no NEED.

So now Abel raises sheep for Clothing and animal sacrifice.

If God would have made some artificial fur or just manifested sheep fur to clothe them, Abel would not know about raising sheep or the Need to even kill a sheep FOR clothing AND SACRIFICE unto God for their sins.

First Disobedience by man against God was in the garden by Adam.

The first animal sacrifice to cover sin was in the garden by God.
Animal sacrifice was used until Jesus and the cross.

The first murder was in the garden by cain over abel.
Think about this, there were only 4 human beings on this planet and our enemy the devil was able to deceive one to the point of killing another.

So no research or understanding needed? Hmm it beats guessing and or imaginations. .... lol
:rofl:

Up until a few years back I thought God just spoke clothes into existence, then during some schooling I was shown differently.
Sin was vitally evil and against God and His Plan. The Blood of Animals Was Required by God to cover up their sins.

If I run across the info with the translations and references I will post it. When I took this job 14 years ago I pitched 98 percent of my belongings.

Have a great day brother
Blessings
W4F
Sure Brother, I like your explanation and find it very plausible and it may be 100% accurate. But, much of what you explain is just speculation or imagination on some humans part. But, for now, I see at least 4 things that are certain:
  • We will probably die a physical death or be changed in a "blink of an eye".
  • God is absolutely Sovereign
  • Jesus is Lord and Savior
  • When our imperfection leaves and our perfection comes, then and only then, will we look at God "face to face" and know as well as we are known!
 
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Hmm well Hebrews 11:4 does say Abel offered a better sacrifice than Cain so I suppose it was a sacrifice and not just an offering. Is it only a sacrifice if something is killed?

I thought humans were not eating animal meat before the flood though?

The KJV doesnt specify that the firstling and the fat thereof...means that Abel had necessarily killed a lamb. He could have just offered it up to God without killing it?

Also the bible does not specify that Cain offered the third picking, but...I dont know if it was not from the forbidden tree either because God blocked the way from the tree of life in the garden, not the forbidden tree.
 
Loyal
But, much of what you explain is just speculation or imagination on some humans part.
Care to explain how you come up with this?
God does things on Purpose (His Purpose) and is not some whimsical Being who does what ever He wants when He wants.

God is absolutely Sovereign
The word Sovereign is a man made term to describe what man thinks.
You will not find this word in any of the older KJ versions. It's only in the newer versions out there.

Blessings
 
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Genesis 3:24 says God put cherubims there to guard entrance to the tree of life.
It wasnt the forbidden tree that was blocked. Remember there were two trees..tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life. See Genesis 2:9
 
Loyal
OK, if you must persist on this line of discussion.....Does the Genesis account say God provided skins or that he provided skins from animals that he Killed???
Depends on if you only read from one version or two and don't dig into hebrew and Greek translations and bibles.

Depends on if one has searched out the depth and seriousness God takes His covenant with man and the purpose of Blood.

But, much of what you explain is just speculation or imagination on some humans part. But, for now, I see at least 4 things that are certain:
  • We will probably die a physical death or be changed in a "blink of an eye".
  • God is absolutely Sovereign
  • Jesus is Lord and Savior
  • When our imperfection leaves and our perfection comes, then and only then, will we look at God "face to face" and know as well as we are known!
My point was why you said the above?
I mean it Cleary shows that you really have not even thought about it much but yet you are sure it's speculation.

I am not trying to push anything here at all.
God is not a whimsical Being making it up as this thing goes.
From the fall of man the old testiment reflects the coming Saviour and The Blood of the Lamb or the coming Christ.

All through the old testiment the blood was used for the covering of sin.
Why is that?
Did man come up with this deal?

No It's been God's plan all along.
In fact the Blood Covenant is so Holy and Important that God Himself came down and walked in it.

When man fell sin and the curse was loosed in this world.
God introduced the sacrifice of Blood unto man.

Any way it doesn't really matter here in this thread. It is not going to change anything here. :smile:

Blessing talking with you
 
Loyal
Genesis 3:24 says God put cherubims there to guard entrance to the tree of life.
It wasnt the forbidden tree that was blocked. Remember there were two trees..tree of knowledge of good and evil, and the tree of life. See Genesis 2:9
Think about it. The tree of good and evil held knowledge of good and evil.
Man ate of it and loosed the curse into this world and loosed sin and the curse into man.

It was a done deal. The tree had no more hidden truth. There would be no more tree of good and evil.

The entire Garden Changed that day.
You See the tree of Life in the beginning in Genesis and we see it in the end in the book of Revelation.

After the fall there was no more forbidden fruit. Man already had what the fruit held.

Blessings
W4F
 
Loyal
Also the bible does not specify that Cain offered the third picking, but...I dont know if it was not from the forbidden tree either because God blocked the way from the tree of life in the garden, not the forbidden tree.
Jewish Writings does say so.
Also it was about the heart.
There is alot about the early Tithe and how God had set it up with the Israelites to be a part of or filled with Worship and Praise and Faith depending on Him.

That's another thread there
Blessings
 
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My point was why you said the above?
I mean it Cleary shows that you really have not even thought about it much but yet you are sure it's speculation.
I stand by what I said about (1)God's sovereignty, (2)the finality of the cross, (3) our physical death and, (4) when our perfection comes....But I get it...you are "CLEARLY" superior to me in word and God. I find too often often here on TJ, many can't be challenged in the slightest bit , especially when it wasn't a challenge at all but a simple "open Forum" discussion. I also see to many here with a chip on their shoulder and who would rather tear down the church than build it up!
Blessings to your knowledge and understanding.
 
Loyal
I stand by what I said about (1)God's sovereignty, (2)the finality of the cross, (3) our physical death and, (4) when our perfection comes....But I get it...you are "CLEARLY" superior to me in word and God. I find too often often here on TJ, many can't be challenged in the slightest bit , especially when it wasn't a challenge at all but a simple "open Forum" discussion. I also see to many here with a chip on their shoulder and who would rather tear down the church than build it up!
Blessings to your knowledge and understanding.
Wow never thought you would go that way.
Listen if that is how I came off to you then I apologize because that was not my intention at all.

I will also in the same token forgive you for the reply above.

Now can we get back to fellowship?
Blessings
 
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