The Gospel of Satan

[trucker]

gospel of satan

Just a quick reply. Any religion that does not present trusting in Christ as their savior is a false religion. That goes for Islam, and any so called Christian title. God loves all men; however, if they reject Jesus Christ and present "another way to God", it is false. Many horrible things were done and are being done in the name of Christianity and it is wrong. However, that still does not mean we throw Christ and his teachings out the window.

Islam has some good teachings; however, every religion on the face of the earth requires you to appease their God. It’s all about you and what you must do to please their God. Christianity is not a religion; it’s about having a relationship with God himself. He literally says, will you accept the fact that my son, Jesus took on the sin of the entire world so that you would not have to. My wrath is appeased and I love you and accept you. It’s all about Jesus and what he did for you. God does not kill you if you do not accept him or force you to accept his work through his son. He does not cut your head off; tell you that if you love me you will kill anyone who is an infidel.

Islam has a kinder side, but the bottom line is, even the good Muslim, or Buddhist or whatever you want to fill in will die in their sins and go to hell if they do not accept Jesus. There is only one sin that will send a man to hell. It’s the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ. All sin was paid for by God through Christ. God is not even mad at mankind, Jesus appeased his wrath. Now, there is a wrath to come and it will fall on all men who have totally rejected God and his son, but right now the age of Grace is at work.

Satan has so fooled men and has caused so much havoc in Christian churches through division, strife, religious activity that the world does not know what true Christianity is.

Read John 17: 3, II corth 5: 17-21, John 3: 16-17, Romans 10:9-13, Romans chapter 5, and John 16:7-11. Its in these scriptures the true gospel is written. We are no LONGER UNDER LAW. The Mosaic Law was for the Jews only and we have a new and better covenant in Christ. All people, Greek, Jew, gentile must come to God through Christ.

Do not be fooled by all the false religions in the earth today. If it’s not centered on Christ, him crucified and raised, it’s a false religion. The sad fact is, many people will go to hell because they were fooled by religion.

 

[spitnot]

Wolves.

thanx man! its a refreshing reminder to all the saints.

i guess we know who teaches such stuff don't we?
well, we're in constant battle. always be on our knees.

all hail the King! Jesus!

 

[spitnot]

Christians?

Laudite,

any person can claim to be a Christian... and too bad Christianity itself has been given a bad name long before because of impostors and hypocrites. the "Crusaders", were they really Christians? by definition, Christians are those who are devoted to follow Christ. but what they've done, it's too far to be considered followers of Jesus. Jesus commanded His people to walk, talk, act in love, for in this way the world will know we are His.

truly as Paul said, any other teachings being preached (that includes Islam, the Mormons, JWs, etc) aside from the doctrine of true Christian faith is not of God. therefore? its of the enemy.

a lot of people are offended by this. well the gospel itself is offensive. "take it of leave it", that's the way it is... indeed the narrow way, and there are no other ways.

 

[Coconut]

To the original post: I may be naive, but somehow I don't understand about all this talk of secularish churches. Now I live in Atlanta, and every church I have visited, attended, or spoken with members of, preaches that man is without hope except through Christ, and that furthermore his redemption comes through baptism by the Holy Spirit and sharing in His Holy Communion- literally a sacrament to remember and share in His sacrifice for us.

Two questions...

You are saying Paul had no warrant for all his talk about false teachers?

2Co 11:12 "And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds."

Second question...

You are saying mans redemption comes thru Christ and a sacrament?


Its easy to spot the difference between the the gospel of Christ, and the gospel of satan, the fallacy is always found in the "furthermore"

 

[jiggyfly]

Two questions...

You are saying Paul had no warrant for all his talk about false teachers?

2Co 11:12 "And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds."

Second question...

You are saying mans redemption comes thru Christ and a sacrament?


Its easy to spot the difference between the the gospel of Christ, and the gospel of satan, the fallacy is always found in the "furthermore"

Amen Coconut!

Colossians 1;19&20
19 For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, 20 and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross.

 

[cubssoxfan92]

Another Gospel by ARTHUR W. PINK

SATAN IS NOT AN INITIATOR but an imitator.

God has an only begotten Son—the Lord Jesus, and so has Satan—"the son of Perdition" (2 Thess. 2:3).
There is a Holy Trinity, and there is like wise a Trinity of Evil (Rev. 20:10).
Do we read of the "children of God," so also we read of "the children of the wicked one" (Matt. 13:38).
Does God work in the former both to will and to do of His good pleasure, then we are told that Satan is "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2).
Is there a "mystery of godliness" (1 Tim. 3:16), so also is there a "mystery of iniquity" (2 Thess. 2:7).
Are we told that God by His angels "seals" His servants in their foreheads (Rev. 7:3), so also, we learn that Satan by his agents sets a mark in the foreheads of his devotees (Rev. 13:16).
Are we told that "the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God" (1 Cor. 2:10), then Satan also provides his "deep things" (see Greek of Rev. 2:24).
Did Christ perform miracles, so also can Satan (2 Thess. 2:9).
Is Christ seated upon a throne, so is Satan (Rev. 2:13—Gr.).
Has Christ a Church, then Satan has his "synagogue" (Rev. 2:9).
Is Christ the Light of the world, then so is Satan himself "transformed into an angel of light" (2Cor. 11:14).
Did Christ appoint "apostles," then Satan has his apostles, too (2Cor. 11:13).

And this leads us to consider "The Gospel of Satan."

Satan is the arch-counterfeiter. The Devil is now busy at work in the same field in which the Lord sowed the good seed. He is seeking to pre vent the growth of the wheat by another plant, the tares, which closely resembles the wheat in appearance. In a word, by a process of imitation he is aiming to neutralize the Work of Christ. There fore, as Christ has a Gospel, Satan has a gospel too; the latter being a clever counterfeit of the former. So closely does the gospel of Satan resemble that which it parodies, multitudes of the unsaved are deceived by it.

It is to this gospel of Satan the apostle refers when he says to the Galatians, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the Gospel of Christ" (1:6, 7).
This false gospel was being heralded even in the days of the apostle, and a most awful curse was called down upon those who preached it. The apostle continues, "But though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
By the help of God we shall now endeavor to expound, or rather, expose, this false gospel.

The gospel of Satan is not a system of revolutionary principles, nor yet a program of anarchy. It does not promote strife and war, but aims at peace and unity. It seeks not to set the mother against her daughter nor the father against his son, but fosters the fraternal spirit whereby the human race is regarded as one great "brotherhood." It does not seek to drag down the natural man, but to improve and uplift him. It advocates education and cultivation and appeals to "the best that is within us." It aims to make this world such a comfortable and congenial habitat that Christ's absence from it will not be felt and God will not be needed. It endeavors to occupy man so much with this world that he has no time or inclination to think of the world to come. It propagates the principles of self-sacrifice, charity and benevolence, and teaches us to live for the good of others, and to be kind to all. It appeals strongly to the carnal mind and is popular with the masses, be cause it ignores the solemn facts that by nature man is a fallen creature, alienated from the life of God, and dead in trespasses and sins, and that his only hope lies in being born again.

In contradistinction to the Gospel of Christ, the gospel of Satan teaches salvation by works. It inculcates justification before God on the ground of human merits. Its sacramental phrase is "Be good and do good"; but it fails to recognize that in the flesh there dwelleth no good thing. It announces salvation by character, which reverses the order of God's Word—character by, as the fruit of, salvation. Its various ramifications and organizations are manifold. Temperance, Reform Movements, "Christian Socialist Leagues," Ethical Culture Societies, "Peace Congresses" are all employed (perhaps unconsciously) in proclaiming this gospel of Satan—salvation by works. The pledge-card is substituted for Christ; social purity for individual regeneration, and politics and philosophy, for doctrine and godliness. The cultivation of the old man is considered more "practical" than the creation of a new man in Christ Jesus; whilst universal peace is looked for apart from the interposition and return of the Prince of Peace.

The apostles of Satan are not saloon-keepers and white-slave traffickers, but are for the most part ordained ministers. Thousands of those who occupy our modern pulpits are no longer engaged in presenting the fundamentals of the Christian Faith, but have turned aside from the Truth and have given heed unto fables. Instead of magnifying the enormity of sin and setting forth its eternal consequences, they minimize it by declaring that sin is merely ignorance or the absence of good. Instead of warning their hearers to "flee from the wrath to come" they make God a liar by declaring that He is too loving and merciful to send any of His own creatures to eternal torment. Instead of declaring that "without shedding of blood is no remission," they merely hold up Christ as the great Exemplar and exhort their hearers to "follow in His steps." Of them it must be said, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." (Rom. 10:3).

Their message may sound very plausible and their aim appear very praise worthy, yet we read of them—"for such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming them selves (imitating) into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore, it is no great thing (not to be wondered at) if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works." (2Cor. 11:13-15).

In addition to the fact that today hundreds of churches are without a leader who faithfully declares the whole counsel of God and presents His way of salvation, we also have to face the additional fact that the majority of people in these churches arc very unlikely to learn the Truth for themselves. The family altar, where a portion of God's Word was wont to be read daily is now, even in the homes of nominal Christians, largely a thing of the past. The Bible is not expounded in the pulpit and it is not read in the pew. The demands of this rushing age arc so numerous, that the multitudes have little time and still less inclination to make preparation for the meeting with God. Hence the majority who are too indolent to search for themselves, are left at the mercy of those whom they pay to search for them; many of whom betray their trust by studying and expounding economic and social problems rather than the Oracles of God.

In Prov. 14:12 we read, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; but the end thereof are the ways of death." This "way" which ends in "death" is the Devil's Delusion—the gospel of Satan—a way of salvation by human attainment. It is a way which "seemeth right," that is to say, it is presented in such plausible language that it appeals to the natural man: it is set forth in such a subtile and attractive manner, that it commends itself to the intelligence of its hearers. By virtue of the fact that it appropriates to itself religious terminology, sometimes appeals to the Bible for its support (whenever this suits its purpose), holds up before men lofty ideals, and is proclaimed by those who have graduated from our theological institutions, countless multitudes are decoyed and deceived by it.

The success of an illegitimate coiner depends largely upon how closely the counterfeit resembles the genuine article. Heresy is not so much the total denial of the truth as a perversion of it. That is why half a lie is always more dangerous than a complete repudiation. Hence when the Father of Lies enters the pulpit it is not his custom to flatly deny the fundamental truths of Christianity, rather does he tacitly acknowledge them, and then proceed to give an erroneous interpretation and a false application. For example: he would not be so foolish as to boldly announce his disbelief in a personal God; he takes His existence for granted and then gives a false description of His character. He announces that God is the spiritual Father of all men, when the Scriptures plainly tell us that we are "the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:26), and that "as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God" (John 1:12). Further, he declares that God is far too merciful to ever send any member of the human race to Hell, when God Himself has said, "Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the Lake of Fire" (Rev. 20:15).

Again; Satan would not be so foolish as to ignore the central figure of human history—the Lord Jesus Christ; on the contrary, his gospel acknowledges Him to be the best man that ever lived. Attention is drawn to His deeds of compassion and works of mercy, the beauty of His character and the sublimity of His teaching. His life is eulogized, but His vicarious Death is ignored; the all-important atoning work of the cross is never mentioned, whilst His triumphant and bodily resurrection from the grave is regarded as one of the credulities of a superstitious age. It is a bloodless gospel, and presents a crossless Christ. who is received not as God manifest in the flesh, but merely as the Ideal Man.

In 2Cor. 4:3, 4 we have a scripture which sheds much light upon our present theme. There we are told, "if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them." He blinds the minds of unbelievers through hiding the light of the Gospel of Christ. and he does this by substituting his own gospel. Appropriately is he designated "The Devil and Satan which deceiveth the whole world" (Rev.12:9). In merely appealing to "the best that is within man, and in simply exhorting him to "lead a nobler life" there is afforded a general platform upon which those of every shade of opinion can unite and proclaim this common message.

Again we quote Prov. 14: 12—"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." It has been said with considerable truth that the way to Hell is paved with good intentions. There will be many in the Lake of Fire who commenced life with good intentions, honest resolutions and exalted ideals— those who were just in their dealings, fair in their transactions and charitable in all their ways; men who prided themselves in their integrity but who sought to justify themselves before God by their own righteousness; men who were moral, merciful and magnanimous, but who never saw themselves as guilty, lost, hell-deserving sinners needing a Saviour. Such is the way which "seemeth right." Such is the way that commends itself to the carnal mind and recommends itself to multitudes of deluded ones today. The Devil's Delusion is that we can be saved by our own works, and justified be fore God by our own deeds; whereas, God tells us in His Word—"By grace arc ye saved through faith ... not of works lest any man should boast." And again, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us."

A few years ago the writer became acquainted with one who was a lay preacher and an enthusiastic "Christian worker." For over seven years this friend had been engaged in public preaching and religious activities, but from certain expressions and phrases he used, the writer doubted whether his friend was a "born again" man. When we began to question him, it was found that he was very imperfectly acquainted with the Scriptures and had only the vaguest conception of Christ's Work for sinners. For a time we sought to present the way of salvation in a simple and impersonal manner and to encourage our friend to study the Word for himself, in the hope that if he were still unsaved God would be pleased to re veal the Saviour he needed. One night to our joy, the one who had been preaching the Gospel (?) for seven years, confessed that he had found Christ only the previous night. He acknowledged (to use his own words) that he had been presenting "the Christ ideal" but not the Christ of the Cross.

The writer believes there are thousands like this preacher who, perhaps, have been brought up in Sunday School, taught about the birth, life, and teachings of Jesus Christ, who believe in the historicity of His person, who spasmodically endeavor to practice His precepts, and who think that that is all that is necessary for their salvation. Frequently, this class when they reach manhood go out into the world, encounter the attacks of atheists and infidels and are told that such a person as Jesus of Nazareth never lived. But the impressions of early days cannot be easily erased, and they remain steadfast in their declaration that they "believe in Jesus Christ." Yet, when their faith is examined, only too often it is found that though they believe many things about Jesus Christ they do not really believe in Him. They believe with the head that such a person lived (and, because they believe this imagine that therefore they are saved), but they have never thrown down the weapons of their warfare against Him, yielded themselves to Him, nor truly believed with their heart in Him The bare acceptance of an orthodox doctrine about the person of Christ without the heart being won by Him and the life devoted to Him, is another phase of that way "which seemeth right unto a man" but the end thereof are "the ways of death." A mere intellectual assent to the reality of Christ's person, and which goes no further, is another phase of the way which "seemeth right unto a man" but of which the end thereof "are the ways of death," or. in other words, is another aspect of the gospel of Satan.


And now, where do you stand? Are you in the way which "seemeth right," but which ends in death; or, are you in the Narrow Way which leadeth unto life? Have you truly forsaken the Broad Road which leadeth to death? Has the love of Christ created in your heart a hatred and horror of all that is displeasing to Him? Are you desirous that He should "reign over" you? (Luke 19:14). Are you relying wholly on His righteous ness and blood for your acceptance with God?

Those who are trusting to an outward form of godliness, such as baptism or "confirmation!" those who are religious because it is considered a mark of respectability; those who attend some Church or Chapel because it is the fashion to do so; and, those who unite with some Denomination because they suppose that such a step will enable them to become Christians, are in the way which "ends in death—"death spiritual and eternal. However pure our motives, however noble our intentions, however well-meaning our purposes, however sincere our endeavours, God will not accept us as His sons, until we accept His Son.

A yet more specious form of Satan's gospel is to move preachers to present the atoning sacrifice of Christ and then tell their hearers that all God requires from them is to "believe" in His Son. Thereby thousands of impenitent souls are deluded into thinking they have been saved. But Christ said, "Except ye repent, ye shall all like wise perish" (Luke 13:3). To "repent" is to hate sin, to sorrow over, to turn from it. It is the result of the Spirit's making the heart contrite before God. None except a broken heart can savingly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again; thousands are deceived into supposing that they have "accepted Christ" as their "personal Saviour," who have not first received Him as their LORD. The Son of God did not come here to save His people in their sin, but "from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). To he saved from sins, is to be saved from ignoring and despising the authority of God, it is to abandon the course of self-will and self-pleasing, it is to "forsake our way" (Isa. 55:7). It is to surrender to God's authority, to yield to His dominion, to give our selves over to be ruled by Him. The one who has never taken Christ's "yoke" upon him, who is not truly and diligently seeking to please Him in all the details of his life, and yet supposes that he is "resting on the Finished Work of Christ" is deluded by the Devil.

In the seventh chapter of Matthew there are two scriptures which give us approximate results of Christ's Gospel and Satan's counterfeit.
First. in verses 13 and 14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there he which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Second; in verses 22 and 23, "Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied (preached) in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out demons, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." Yes, my reader, it is possible to work in the name of Christ, and even to preach in His name, and though the world knows us, and the Church knows us, yet to be unknown to the Lord! How necessary it is then to find out where we really are; to examine ourselves and see whether we be in the faith; to measure ourselves by the Word of God and see if we are being deceived by our subtle Enemy; to find out whether we are building our house upon the sand, or whether it is erected on the Rock which is Christ Jesus.
May the Holy Spirit search our hearts, break our wills, slay our enmity against God, work in us a deep and true repentance, and direct our gaze to the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world.

Very nice post keep the bibles going.

 

[SueMaryEllen]

As a new Christian. Can you tell me how I can protect myself from Satans gospel. This article has frightened me.

Just strat immediately to read the bible at EVERY oppurtunity, On the days or times you don't want to do this then just do it because that's when the warefare is raging. God Himself will lead and tell you exactly how to overcome. Read Revelations. Speak to as many people as you can about what Jesus means to you and what He has done in your life. Praise Him and lift Him high in all you do and say and He will lift you up. He will fight the battle for you - keep your eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith. God bless, many prayers and love, Sue

 

[SueMaryEllen]

Amen, that's the truth. We can only show the way to others by letting the pure light of Jesus shine through us to others. We really need to follow very closely and deliberatly.
"I am the way, the truth and the life." John 14:6
"But if we walk in the light, as He is the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin." 1 John 1:7

 

[Redeemer32]

I believe in my heart that the first post, in this thread is a sin, it contradicts the words of my Savior.... It brings out hatred in others. Jesus saves and forgives all that believe in him. That is what brings us to heaven..Having a true love for Christ and being able to forgive and surrender ourselves.

That post is ignorant....

Where ever the word of Jesus is preached, is wonderful...We go to heaven because our heart is true to him. If you live your life doing good works you will go to heaven!!! Because you do them because you love the lord and your heart is true. It is the same thing. Why are people blinded by this?

Here is an example of this...My grandmother was a wonderful woman. She was a devoted Catholic. She loved Jesus, She had a personal relationship with Jesus. She did many good works in her life. Not because she was forced to by the Catholic church, because she loved the lord and savior.
I believe my grandmother is in heaven. She didn't do her works because the church made her. She did it because she had a strong love for Jesus....

Why do you do good works in your life? The same reason a Catholic does, because you love and fear God.

Please understand this......

 

[jiggyfly]

I believe in my heart that the first post, in this thread is a sin, it contradicts the words of my Savior.... It brings out hatred in others. Jesus saves and forgives all that believe in him. That is what brings us to heaven..Having a true love for Christ and being able to forgive and surrender ourselves.

That post is ignorant....

Where ever the word of Jesus is preached, is wonderful...We go to heaven because our heart is true to him. If you live your life doing good works you will go to heaven!!! Because you do them because you love the lord and your heart is true. It is the same thing. Why are people blinded by this?

Here is an example of this...My grandmother was a wonderful woman. She was a devoted Catholic. She loved Jesus, She had a personal relationship with Jesus. She did many good works in her life. Not because she was forced to by the Catholic church, because she loved the lord and savior.
I believe my grandmother is in heaven. She didn't do her works because the church made her. She did it because she had a strong love for Jesus....

Why do you do good works in your life? The same reason a Catholic does, because you love and fear God.

Please understand this......

You seem to have a strong opinion of OP, you state that it contradicts scripture and yet you post no scripture to support you opinion.

Do you really believe that man does good works because he loves God? Have you ever heard of the term "humanitarianism".

 

[Redeemer32]

I never said anything like that. I said my grandmother loved Christ as you do. She was Catholic.........A true believer will understand this. Its not about if your a Catholic or not. Its about your heart being true to Jesus.

People do things for plenty of reasons. My Grand Mother did not she wanted to please the lord. And she grew up in a Catholic church. I grew up in a catholic church and I learned allot about the lord. I don't believe in the man made rules of the church. That's why I left. I also feel they need to focus more on Jesus himself.

I do believe there are allot of true Christians in the Catholic church. Its not the church its in your heart what matters.......

We are all not even close to perfect especially myself I am so far from it. You may not agree with the Catholic church, but this does not mean they are following Satan. Saying that is a sin itself.

Obviously that post shows anger (also a sin) towards other religions. Its not our place to judge or you will be judged. Here is my favorite scripture. It pertains to that whole post....


Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

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[jiggyfly]

I never said anything like that. I said my grandmother loved Christ as you do. She was Catholic.........A true believer will understand this. Its not about if your a Catholic or not. Its about your heart being true to Jesus.

People do things for plenty of reasons. My Grand Mother did not she wanted to please the lord. And she grew up in a Catholic church. I grew up in a catholic church and I learned allot about the lord. I don't believe in the man made rules of the church. That's why I left. I also feel they need to focus more on Jesus himself.

I do believe there are allot of true Christians in the Catholic church. Its not the church its in your heart what matters.......

We are all not even close to perfect especially myself I am so far from it. You may not agree with the Catholic church, but this does not mean they are following Satan. Saying that is a sin itself.

Obviously that post shows anger (also a sin) towards other religions. Its not our place to judge or you will be judged. Here is my favorite scripture. It pertains to that whole post....


Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

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What do you make of this scripture?
Galatians 1:6-12
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Seems to me that this guy is not only making judgement but rendering a sentice.

 

[Redeemer32]

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven"

That first post is as if the guy thinks he is Jesus himself
He is far from it, as I am also far from it.....

Explain the story about Jesus the rich devoted Christian and the prositute. It is about his grace!

 

[jiggyfly]

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven"

That first post is as if the guy thinks he is Jesus himself
He is far from it, as I am also far from it.....

Explain the story about Jesus the rich devoted Christian and the prositute. It is about his grace!

Maybe it would be good for you to reread the OP and then your own posts, seems you are guilty of what you accuse the author. I see no mention of Catholic or Catholicism outright in the OP. You seem to post words and right away forget what you posted and deny it. Maybe it is just that you struggle to put your thoughts into printed word, I'm not sure, but I will give you the benefit of reflecting and then reposting.

 

[Coconut]

I never said anything like that. I said my grandmother loved Christ as you do. She was Catholic.........A true believer will understand this. Its not about if your a Catholic or not. Its about your heart being true to Jesus.

People do things for plenty of reasons. My Grand Mother did not she wanted to please the lord. And she grew up in a Catholic church. I grew up in a catholic church and I learned allot about the lord. I don't believe in the man made rules of the church. That's why I left. I also feel they need to focus more on Jesus himself.

I do believe there are allot of true Christians in the Catholic church. Its not the church its in your heart what matters.......

We are all not even close to perfect especially myself I am so far from it. You may not agree with the Catholic church, but this does not mean they are following Satan. Saying that is a sin itself.

Obviously that post shows anger (also a sin) towards other religions. Its not our place to judge or you will be judged. Here is my favorite scripture. It pertains to that whole post....


Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

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Redeemer, since I am the one who posted the OP, I feel I must respond to your allegations (as you are welcome to respond to mine)

I note that twice you accuse me (the poster of the OP) of sin:

You may not agree with the Catholic church, but this does not mean they are following Satan. Saying that is a sin itself.

Please tell me, did Paul sin by making the following statement?

Act 13:9 But Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him
Act 13:10 and said, "You son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, full of all deceit and villainy, will you not stop making crooked the straight paths of the Lord?

Obviously that post shows anger (also a sin) towards other religions.

I am sorry you see "obvious" anger here, I submit there is none. But if perchance there were, please tell me where the scripture states that "anger is a sin"?

Please tell me, did Jesus sin according to your observation of the following text?

Mar 3:5 And Jesus looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was restored.

I`m sorry Redeemer, your quote about specks and sawdust have nothing to do with judging a teaching, a belief system, or a religion. If that were the case, then it doesnt matter what any of us believe, as long as we believe in Christ. (popular modern day belief, but clearly unscriptural!)

1Ti 4:1 The Spirit says clearly that some people will abandon the faith in later times; they will obey lying spirits and follow the teachings of demons.
1Ti 4:2 Such teachings are spread by deceitful liars, whose consciences are dead, as if burnt with a hot iron.
1Ti 4:3 Such people teach that it is wrong to marry and to eat certain foods. But God created those foods to be eaten, after a prayer of thanks, by those who are believers and have come to know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 Everything that God has created is good; nothing is to be rejected, but everything is to be received with a prayer of thanks,
1Ti 4:5 because the word of God and the prayer make it acceptable to God.
1Ti 4:6 If you give these instructions to the believers, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, as you feed yourself spiritually on the words of faith and of the true teaching which you have followed.

I am attempting to be a good servant, you are right, we all fail miserably,
but thats why the gospel of Grace is GOOD NEWS.

 

[Redeemer32]

As I said I am not perfect in anyway. I make mistakes..."That artical" is talking about the Catholic religion.

Why paul never sinned? Paul was not Jesus, He sinned. why am I guilty, I just dont think its a good thing to put down other christians. I feel the same way as you about priesthood and the rules of the church. Must you put me down for no reason....

I am not looking to argue just give you my point.the sun go down while you are still angry,

James 1:20
for man's anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires.

Jiggy I have no idea what your trying to say at all. What am I guilty of?

Is that guy writing the artical Paul? Seems you two believe he is? Is this man an apostle?

 

[SpiritLedEd]

People need only to study Genesis 3 to see how subtle and crafty the devil is - "Did God really say......?" And just as he ensnared Adam and Eve, he has ensnared many "believers" with his soft words. Want an example? How about the phrase "little white lie"? or the doctrine of mortal sin vs. venial sin, which says some sins are not as serious as others and, therefore, will not be punished as sternly.

Someone in this thread quoted 2 Cor 11:12 - "And I will keep on doing the things I am doing in order to cut the ground out from under those who want an opportunity to be considered as equal with us in the things they boast about." Let me follow that up with vv 13-15a: "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as disciples of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness."

How sad it is that so many of the devil's servants have been duped (by him) into believing that they are serving righteousness when they are really being his pawns.

SLE

 

[Redeemer32]

So what are you saying? Can you speak english please. Just say what you mean. Are you saying Catholics are from Satan. Is that how you politely insult people? Because I am insulted.

I am born again. July 17 2008. My wife is Catholic. Are you saying I am married to the devil, because my wife is a beautiful person. She loves God and fears God.

I am going to say it again. I surrender myself to Jesus Christ my savior. I have sinned my entire life. I want you to guide me in every way possible. I pray to you with all my heart to let these people see your light and understand they are insulting me. I surrender everything to you my lord, you died on the cross for me and I owe you everything.

Amen...

 

[jiggyfly]

Maybe it would be good for you to reread the OP and then your own posts, seems you are guilty of what you accuse the author. I see no mention of Catholic or Catholicism outright in the OP. You seem to post words and right away forget what you posted and deny it. Maybe it is just that you struggle to put your thoughts into printed word, I'm not sure, but I will give you the benefit of reflecting and then reposting.

I still think you should reread your posts.

 

[Enow]

...... Are you saying Catholics are from Satan. Is that how you politely insult people? Because I am insulted.

I am born again. July 17 2008. My wife is Catholic. Are you saying I am married to the devil, because my wife is a beautiful person. She loves God and fears God.

I am going to say it again. I surrender myself to Jesus Christ my savior. I have sinned my entire life. I want you to guide me in every way possible. I pray to you with all my heart to let these people see your light and understand they are insulting me. I surrender everything to you my lord, you died on the cross for me and I owe you everything.

Amen...

Hi Redeemer32,

I Think you are confusing this thread with another one from Coconut's. Below is a paragraph from the original post of this thread.

Those who are trusting to an outward form of godliness, such as baptism or "confirmation!" those who are religious because it is considered a mark of respectability; those who attend some Church or Chapel because it is the fashion to do so; and, those who unite with some Denomination because they suppose that such a step will enable them to become Christians, are in the way which "ends in death—"death spiritual and eternal. However pure our motives, however noble our intentions, however well-meaning our purposes, however sincere our endeavours, God will not accept us as His sons, until we accept His Son.

I can see how you would apply that to mean the Catholic Church, but it is referring to more than just the Catholic Church by the practises in it. One could venture to say that Coconut is addressing Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and any other that can be seen as preaching another gospel and being identified as His by the denomenation they are in as opposed to any other outside denomenation without their works.

I read it as sharing that it is not about how much you love God and to be witnesses of that and your church with the works therein, but to deny yourself and the identity of the church and their works therein in order to be witnesses of how much God loves us through His Son and to be witnesses of His work in us.

Since the Gospel is about Jesus Christ, anyone representing Him, whethor it be a single believer or a church, they have to decrease in order for Christ to increase. In other words, the less they speak of themselves, and the more they speak of the hope in Christ, the less likelihood a sinner will think it is about them than it is about Christ Jesus so they will be free to come to Him.

Consider John the Baptist if he did not say this below:

John 3: 28Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30He must increase, but I must decrease.

Can you imagine that not being said? Then people would still be coming to John the Baptist after Jesus had come. They would be asking him questions about the one he is preparing the way for as he is the prophesied voice in the wilderness. John could talk about the Messiah all he wants, but he would be the thief if he did not declare Jesus for these people to go to.

So it is with a church that puts themselves between us and Jesus. That is the description of a thief as Jesus said it.

John 10: 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

And you testified of man made rules that you did not care to hear, but followed the voice of the Saviour to have a direct relationship with Him. If that is favourable to you and you know God favours that, why not seek that for those you love that believe? Why is it important?

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world....

9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

So then, the example of unbelief is shown by works that deny Him.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen....6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Romans 11:5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

So when believers depart from faith in their rest in Jesus to works that deny Him as being able, that is voiding faith and coming short of that rest in Jesus. Looking to catholicism as one looks to the law to obtain righteousness is the same thing.

Romans 4:13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Romans 10:2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. ....10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Now I believe that all those that come to and believe in Jesus are saved. Whethor or not they are ready for the rapture is another story as Jesus calls believers to watch out for false prophets and to hold to the love of the truth, but note this in regards to men without faithor having departed from it.

2 Thessalonians 3:1Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: 2And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith. 3But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. 4And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. 5And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ. 6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Pretty harsh words here, huh? Unreasonable and wicked men for all men have not faith. And yet the call to withdraw from every brother that walks disorderly and not after the tradition taught of us, but yet he is not considered an enemy, but a brother. Read on below..

2 Thessalonians 3:14And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

So I do not believe in the "eternal" damnation of believers in catholicism. I do believe that they are coming short of that rest in Jesus, and they need to go directly to Him to find it away from catholicism.

Matthew 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

For others to see your faith in Christ, we have to be seen apart from any church that denies Him by the works therein. It matters not about how much they love God as it is for them knowing the faith in Jesus in how much God loves us so as to rest in Him from works that deny Him as being able and away from that which comes inbetween us and Jesus.

If you enjoy the relationship you have now with God through Christ Jesus, then let them know the difference so they too may know Him and the joy of resting in Him from all their unneccessary labours in catholicism. That is why God says we are to love Him more than our loved ones, or we cannot be His disciples. Is it really showing love for one another by denying them the joys of what you have in Christ?

Do not worry about those you love that have passed on in catholicism. Maybe in the end, they stopped looking to catholicism and placed all their hopes in Jesus; you just don't know. But irregardless, you are called to be a witness of Him and what it means to be apart from the world and that which denies the love of the truth.

It is tough if you look to yourself to do it, but then, Jesus made this promise.

John 6:28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

That means through us to others and not just in us. So the good fight is keeping the faith for that is how we show love for one another. Ask Jesus to be a witness of Him so your faith may be seen apart from the catholicism so that they may know Him and the full joy of the Gospel.