Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!
  • Welcome to Talk Jesus Christian Forums

    Celebrating 20 Years!

    A bible based, Jesus Christ centered community.

    Register Log In

The Gospel of Satan

ALL new age and universal christ consciousness = DEATH

so we are the body of christ and as I grow my consciousness of the Christ Principle within me it connects me to the greater body of christ everywhere that is omnipresent...thats how I look upon this...

you believe in a big fat LIE!

This is one of satans gospels statements indeed.

it is not true doctrine from the Bible!

Dear @ekm

Titus 2:
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The time is now at hand: ekm for you to repent and believe the True Gospel!

Mark 1:
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the Gospel.

There is only ONE WAY to Heaven and it is by Jesus Christ of Nazareth (and not a ascended master false fake jesus!) ONLY Through the Only begotten Son of God Who is The only God ever to come on earth: Who Is God Himself in the flesh: Fully God and Man at the same time O Hallelujah! His Name Jesus Christ is The Only Name under heaven whereby man is to be saved:

Acts 4:
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other Name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 14:
6 Jesus saith unto him, I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

GOD is not inside of man but is seperate from man: we are not connected to GOD via consciousness or vibration or energy in any way! ONLY God IS The GREAT I AM and HE Is OUTSIDE of man! We have a fallen nature and God is in Heaven and we are on earth and so we are in no way connected to GOD because of SIN! And people are mortal on this world we will all DIE one day... But Thanks to The Lord Jesus Christ Who Came Gave His Own Life for us at The Cross Perfect Lamb of GOD and by His shed BLOOD we can now be saved! Only God Lives Forever as He Rose Himself from the dead the third day!

The real Gospel does not promote "christ consciousness" that is 100% new age i used to be a new ager myself! But God in His Mercy SAVED me out of this O Hallelujah! Glory to GOD!

and we are not little christs/gods ourselves who supposedly are already connected to a bigger God NO!!!!! that is a FALSE new age concept that is deceit!

God is always outside of man! a person can never say about himself: I AM, because we are not gods! Be not deceived with false gospels!

Only Jesus Christ is GOD and The Father is GOD and The Holy Ghost is GOD.

There is ONLY ONE WAY TO HEAVEN: The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, place all your trust and belief 100% in Jesus and obey and follow The Word of GOD and keep Walking with The KING!

Only Jesus Christ can Save you!
 
Last edited:
Another Gospel by ARTHUR W. PINK

SATAN IS NOT AN INITIATOR but an imitator.

God has an only begotten Son—the Lord Jesus, and so has Satan—"the son of Perdition" (2 Thess. 2:3).
There is a Holy Trinity, and there is like wise a Trinity of Evil (Rev. 20:10).
Do we read of the "children of God," so also we read of "the children of the wicked one" (Matt. 13:38).
Does God work in the former both to will and to do of His good pleasure, then we are told that Satan is "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" (Eph. 2:2).
Is there a "mystery of godliness" (1 Tim. 3:16), so also is there a "mystery of iniquity" (2 Thess. 2:7).
Are we told that God by His angels "seals" His servants in their foreheads (Rev. 7:3), so also, we learn that Satan by his agents sets a mark in the foreheads of his devotees (Rev. 13:16).
Are we told that "the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God" (1 Cor. 2:10), then Satan also provides his "deep things" (see Greek of Rev. 2:24).
Did Christ perform miracles, so also can Satan (2 Thess. 2:9).
Is Christ seated upon a throne, so is Satan (Rev. 2:13—Gr.).
Has Christ a Church, then Satan has his "synagogue" (Rev. 2:9).
Is Christ the Light of the world, then so is Satan himself "transformed into an angel of light" (2Cor. 11:14).
Did Christ appoint "apostles," then Satan has his apostles, too (2Cor. 11:13).

And this leads us to consider "The Gospel of Satan."

Satan is the arch-counterfeiter. The Devil is now busy at work in the same field in which the Lord sowed the good seed. He is seeking to pre vent the growth of the wheat by another plant, the tares, which closely resembles the wheat in appearance. In a word, by a process of imitation he is aiming to neutralize the Work of Christ. There fore, as Christ has a Gospel, Satan has a gospel too; the latter being a clever counterfeit of the former. So closely does the gospel of Satan resemble that which it parodies, multitudes of the unsaved are deceived by it.

It is to this gospel of Satan the apostle refers when he says to the Galatians, "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from Him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the Gospel of Christ" (1:6, 7).
This false gospel was being heralded even in the days of the apostle, and a most awful curse was called down upon those who preached it. The apostle continues, "But though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
By the help of God we shall now endeavor to expound, or rather, expose, this false gospel.

The gospel of Satan is not a system of revolutionary principles, nor yet a program of anarchy. It does not promote strife and war, but aims at peace and unity. It seeks not to set the mother against her daughter nor the father against his son, but fosters the fraternal spirit whereby the human race is regarded as one great "brotherhood." It does not seek to drag down the natural man, but to improve and uplift him. It advocates education and cultivation and appeals to "the best that is within us." It aims to make this world such a comfortable and congenial habitat that Christ's absence from it will not be felt and God will not be needed. It endeavors to occupy man so much with this world that he has no time or inclination to think of the world to come. It propagates the principles of self-sacrifice, charity and benevolence, and teaches us to live for the good of others, and to be kind to all. It appeals strongly to the carnal mind and is popular with the masses, be cause it ignores the solemn facts that by nature man is a fallen creature, alienated from the life of God, and dead in trespasses and sins, and that his only hope lies in being born again.

In contradistinction to the Gospel of Christ, the gospel of Satan teaches salvation by works. It inculcates justification before God on the ground of human merits. Its sacramental phrase is "Be good and do good"; but it fails to recognize that in the flesh there dwelleth no good thing. It announces salvation by character, which reverses the order of God's Word—character by, as the fruit of, salvation. Its various ramifications and organizations are manifold. Temperance, Reform Movements, "Christian Socialist Leagues," Ethical Culture Societies, "Peace Congresses" are all employed (perhaps unconsciously) in proclaiming this gospel of Satan—salvation by works. The pledge-card is substituted for Christ; social purity for individual regeneration, and politics and philosophy, for doctrine and godliness. The cultivation of the old man is considered more "practical" than the creation of a new man in Christ Jesus; whilst universal peace is looked for apart from the interposition and return of the Prince of Peace.

The apostles of Satan are not saloon-keepers and white-slave traffickers, but are for the most part ordained ministers. Thousands of those who occupy our modern pulpits are no longer engaged in presenting the fundamentals of the Christian Faith, but have turned aside from the Truth and have given heed unto fables. Instead of magnifying the enormity of sin and setting forth its eternal consequences, they minimize it by declaring that sin is merely ignorance or the absence of good. Instead of warning their hearers to "flee from the wrath to come" they make God a liar by declaring that He is too loving and merciful to send any of His own creatures to eternal torment. Instead of declaring that "without shedding of blood is no remission," they merely hold up Christ as the great Exemplar and exhort their hearers to "follow in His steps." Of them it must be said, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." (Rom. 10:3).

Their message may sound very plausible and their aim appear very praise worthy, yet we read of them—"for such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming them selves (imitating) into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore, it is no great thing (not to be wondered at) if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works." (2Cor. 11:13-15).

In addition to the fact that today hundreds of churches are without a leader who faithfully declares the whole counsel of God and presents His way of salvation, we also have to face the additional fact that the majority of people in these churches arc very unlikely to learn the Truth for themselves. The family altar, where a portion of God's Word was wont to be read daily is now, even in the homes of nominal Christians, largely a thing of the past. The Bible is not expounded in the pulpit and it is not read in the pew. The demands of this rushing age arc so numerous, that the multitudes have little time and still less inclination to make preparation for the meeting with God. Hence the majority who are too indolent to search for themselves, are left at the mercy of those whom they pay to search for them; many of whom betray their trust by studying and expounding economic and social problems rather than the Oracles of God.

In Prov. 14:12 we read, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; but the end thereof are the ways of death." This "way" which ends in "death" is the Devil's Delusion—the gospel of Satan—a way of salvation by human attainment. It is a way which "seemeth right," that is to say, it is presented in such plausible language that it appeals to the natural man: it is set forth in such a subtile and attractive manner, that it commends itself to the intelligence of its hearers. By virtue of the fact that it appropriates to itself religious terminology, sometimes appeals to the Bible for its support (whenever this suits its purpose), holds up before men lofty ideals, and is proclaimed by those who have graduated from our theological institutions, countless multitudes are decoyed and deceived by it.

The success of an illegitimate coiner depends largely upon how closely the counterfeit resembles the genuine article. Heresy is not so much the total denial of the truth as a perversion of it. That is why half a lie is always more dangerous than a complete repudiation. Hence when the Father of Lies enters the pulpit it is not his custom to flatly deny the fundamental truths of Christianity, rather does he tacitly acknowledge them, and then proceed to give an erroneous interpretation and a false application. For example: he would not be so foolish as to boldly announce his disbelief in a personal God; he takes His existence for granted and then gives a false description of His character. He announces that God is the spiritual Father of all men, when the Scriptures plainly tell us that we are "the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus" (Gal. 3:26), and that "as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God" (John 1:12). Further, he declares that God is far too merciful to ever send any member of the human race to Hell, when God Himself has said, "Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the Lake of Fire" (Rev. 20:15).

Again; Satan would not be so foolish as to ignore the central figure of human history—the Lord Jesus Christ; on the contrary, his gospel acknowledges Him to be the best man that ever lived. Attention is drawn to His deeds of compassion and works of mercy, the beauty of His character and the sublimity of His teaching. His life is eulogized, but His vicarious Death is ignored; the all-important atoning work of the cross is never mentioned, whilst His triumphant and bodily resurrection from the grave is regarded as one of the credulities of a superstitious age. It is a bloodless gospel, and presents a crossless Christ. who is received not as God manifest in the flesh, but merely as the Ideal Man.

In 2Cor. 4:3, 4 we have a scripture which sheds much light upon our present theme. There we are told, "if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them." He blinds the minds of unbelievers through hiding the light of the Gospel of Christ. and he does this by substituting his own gospel. Appropriately is he designated "The Devil and Satan which deceiveth the whole world" (Rev.12:9). In merely appealing to "the best that is within man, and in simply exhorting him to "lead a nobler life" there is afforded a general platform upon which those of every shade of opinion can unite and proclaim this common message.

Again we quote Prov. 14: 12—"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." It has been said with considerable truth that the way to Hell is paved with good intentions. There will be many in the Lake of Fire who commenced life with good intentions, honest resolutions and exalted ideals— those who were just in their dealings, fair in their transactions and charitable in all their ways; men who prided themselves in their integrity but who sought to justify themselves before God by their own righteousness; men who were moral, merciful and magnanimous, but who never saw themselves as guilty, lost, hell-deserving sinners needing a Saviour. Such is the way which "seemeth right." Such is the way that commends itself to the carnal mind and recommends itself to multitudes of deluded ones today. The Devil's Delusion is that we can be saved by our own works, and justified be fore God by our own deeds; whereas, God tells us in His Word—"By grace arc ye saved through faith ... not of works lest any man should boast." And again, "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us."

A few years ago the writer became acquainted with one who was a lay preacher and an enthusiastic "Christian worker." For over seven years this friend had been engaged in public preaching and religious activities, but from certain expressions and phrases he used, the writer doubted whether his friend was a "born again" man. When we began to question him, it was found that he was very imperfectly acquainted with the Scriptures and had only the vaguest conception of Christ's Work for sinners. For a time we sought to present the way of salvation in a simple and impersonal manner and to encourage our friend to study the Word for himself, in the hope that if he were still unsaved God would be pleased to re veal the Saviour he needed. One night to our joy, the one who had been preaching the Gospel (?) for seven years, confessed that he had found Christ only the previous night. He acknowledged (to use his own words) that he had been presenting "the Christ ideal" but not the Christ of the Cross.

The writer believes there are thousands like this preacher who, perhaps, have been brought up in Sunday School, taught about the birth, life, and teachings of Jesus Christ, who believe in the historicity of His person, who spasmodically endeavor to practice His precepts, and who think that that is all that is necessary for their salvation. Frequently, this class when they reach manhood go out into the world, encounter the attacks of atheists and infidels and are told that such a person as Jesus of Nazareth never lived. But the impressions of early days cannot be easily erased, and they remain steadfast in their declaration that they "believe in Jesus Christ." Yet, when their faith is examined, only too often it is found that though they believe many things about Jesus Christ they do not really believe in Him. They believe with the head that such a person lived (and, because they believe this imagine that therefore they are saved), but they have never thrown down the weapons of their warfare against Him, yielded themselves to Him, nor truly believed with their heart in Him The bare acceptance of an orthodox doctrine about the person of Christ without the heart being won by Him and the life devoted to Him, is another phase of that way "which seemeth right unto a man" but the end thereof are "the ways of death." A mere intellectual assent to the reality of Christ's person, and which goes no further, is another phase of the way which "seemeth right unto a man" but of which the end thereof "are the ways of death," or. in other words, is another aspect of the gospel of Satan.


And now, where do you stand? Are you in the way which "seemeth right," but which ends in death; or, are you in the Narrow Way which leadeth unto life? Have you truly forsaken the Broad Road which leadeth to death? Has the love of Christ created in your heart a hatred and horror of all that is displeasing to Him? Are you desirous that He should "reign over" you? (Luke 19:14). Are you relying wholly on His righteous ness and blood for your acceptance with God?

Those who are trusting to an outward form of godliness, such as baptism or "confirmation!" those who are religious because it is considered a mark of respectability; those who attend some Church or Chapel because it is the fashion to do so; and, those who unite with some Denomination because they suppose that such a step will enable them to become Christians, are in the way which "ends in death—"death spiritual and eternal. However pure our motives, however noble our intentions, however well-meaning our purposes, however sincere our endeavours, God will not accept us as His sons, until we accept His Son.

A yet more specious form of Satan's gospel is to move preachers to present the atoning sacrifice of Christ and then tell their hearers that all God requires from them is to "believe" in His Son. Thereby thousands of impenitent souls are deluded into thinking they have been saved. But Christ said, "Except ye repent, ye shall all like wise perish" (Luke 13:3). To "repent" is to hate sin, to sorrow over, to turn from it. It is the result of the Spirit's making the heart contrite before God. None except a broken heart can savingly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Again; thousands are deceived into supposing that they have "accepted Christ" as their "personal Saviour," who have not first received Him as their LORD. The Son of God did not come here to save His people in their sin, but "from their sins" (Matt. 1:21). To he saved from sins, is to be saved from ignoring and despising the authority of God, it is to abandon the course of self-will and self-pleasing, it is to "forsake our way" (Isa. 55:7). It is to surrender to God's authority, to yield to His dominion, to give our selves over to be ruled by Him. The one who has never taken Christ's "yoke" upon him, who is not truly and diligently seeking to please Him in all the details of his life, and yet supposes that he is "resting on the Finished Work of Christ" is deluded by the Devil.

In the seventh chapter of Matthew there are two scriptures which give us approximate results of Christ's Gospel and Satan's counterfeit.
First. in verses 13 and 14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there he which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

Second; in verses 22 and 23, "Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied (preached) in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out demons, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." Yes, my reader, it is possible to work in the name of Christ, and even to preach in His name, and though the world knows us, and the Church knows us, yet to be unknown to the Lord! How necessary it is then to find out where we really are; to examine ourselves and see whether we be in the faith; to measure ourselves by the Word of God and see if we are being deceived by our subtle Enemy; to find out whether we are building our house upon the sand, or whether it is erected on the Rock which is Christ Jesus.
May the Holy Spirit search our hearts, break our wills, slay our enmity against God, work in us a deep and true repentance, and direct our gaze to the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world.

That's what I call an article of extreme confusion. The article makes some great points in the beginning about grace and then in the end contradicts itself by taking our eyes off the cross and pointing us back to examining ourselves "the sinners" in a condemning manner, which is not scriptural.. (See red bolded text above.) Here are the facts in the Bible that discredit the end of the article:
28 “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
(John 6:28-29)

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:30-31)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. (Ephesians 2:8)

Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. (Romans 5:1) <--AKA, resting on the finished work of Christ. Amen!

Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. (Romans 5:6)

1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1-2)

Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. (Romans 8:34)

Neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:39)


The greatest doing is believing Jesus has done it all for you at the cross.
 
Last edited:
The article makes some great points in the beginning about grace and then in the end contradicts itself by taking our eyes off the cross and pointing us back to examining ourselves "the sinners" in a condemning manner, which is not scriptural..Here are the facts in the Bible that discredit the end of the article:

I`m pretty sure the Bible does not discredit the Bible even if Mr Pink or myself should do so....so perhaps the thing to do to nix the extreme confusion is to first examine the scripture a little closer... and then perhaps ourselves if it should persuade us to do so? :baffle:

1Co 11:28 A person must examine himself and then eat the bread and drink from the cup, ..

2Co 13:5 Keep examining yourselves to see whether you are continuing in the faith...

To examine ones compass, (heart if you prefer) is not to take the eyes of the cross - if anything its to make sure we have not, or do not, stray from its fixed position....

1Ti 6:6 Of course, godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 Nothing to this world we bring; from it take we nothing.
1Ti 6:8 With food to eat and clothes to wear; content we are in everything.
1Ti 6:9 But people who want to get rich keep toppling into temptation and are trapped by many stupid and harmful desires that plunge them into destruction and ruin.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, in their eagerness to get rich, have wandered away from the faith....
[ISV]
 
That's what I call an article of extreme confusion. The article makes some great points in the beginning about grace and then in the end contradicts itself by taking our eyes off the cross and pointing us back to examining ourselves "the sinners" in a condemning manner, which is not scriptural.. (See red bolded text above.) Here are the facts in the Bible that discredit the end of the article:
28 “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
(John 6:28-29)

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:30-31)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. (Ephesians 2:8)

Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. (Romans 5:1) <--AKA, resting on the finished work of Christ. Amen!

Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. (Romans 5:6)

1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1-2)

Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. (Romans 8:34)

Neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:39)


The greatest doing is believing Jesus has done it all for you at the cross.

Greetings @LoveStory

Just a little explanation as to why you may find the article contradictory to the word

Arthur Pink was an ultra calvinist and therefore his writings are all tainted by his calvinist beliefs
Hand in hand with this he also preached a strong message of Lordship Salvation (salvation based on works)....for example one of his quotes:


There is a deadly and damnable heresy being widely propagated today to the effect that, if a sinner truly accepts Christ as his personal Saviour, no matter how he lives afterwards, he cannot perish. That is a satanic lie, for it is at direct variance with the teaching of the Word of truth. Something more than believing in Christ is necessary to ensure the soul's reaching heaven."

Praise the Lord we have His word and know that we are saved by His wonderful grace.

(Also bearing in mind the word gospel means 'announcing goodnews'.....there is no gospel of satan)

 
Last edited:
Greetings LoveStory

Just a little explanation as to why you may find the article contradictory to the word

Arthur Pink was an ultra calvinist and therefore his writings are all tainted by his calvinist beliefs
Hand in hand with this he also preached a strong message of Lordship Salvation (salvation based on works)....for example one of his quotes:




Praise the Lord we have His word and know that we are saved by His wonderful grace.

(Also bearing in mind the word gospel means 'announcing goodnews'.....there is no gospel of satan)


I've been nondenominational almost my entire life. Love and grace are what I truly know for sure.

The Calvinist theology feels foreign, rigid, and scary to me. I'm not comfortable with the article's description of what I hold dear to me (i.e., resting in the finished work of Jesus) as a delusion of the Devil or the Gospel of Satan. When deep down, to me, nothing could be farther from the truth. It's hurtful.

Thank you for clarification.
 
The Bible says do not be deceived, to think that a persons behaviours and lifestyle do not matter and that only belief matters (1 Cor 6:9). The Bible teaches that a high degree of personal righteousness is required to enter the kingdom of heaven: (Matt 5:20, 1 Cor 6:9). To say we need to be perfect is not a gospel of works. Even Jesus said we need to be perfect (Matt 5:48). But If we say we can achieve this by our own effort, this is works, but if this is a result of God's grace, it is not a gospel of works.

Lordship salvation and ultra-Calvinism themselves seem contradictory to me. Ultra-Calvinism says God chooses you for heaven, and Lordship salvation says "unless you do this...., you cannot be saved".
Putting them both together, a Calvinist who believes in Lordship salvation sees Lordship not as a condition (something we must do to receive salvation) but as a result of salvation. Therefore if one is truly chosen by God (and saved), they will have Christ as their Lord with the accompanying signs of repentance. To see Lordship as a result and not a condition means that Lordship salvation is not a gospel of works but a result of God's grace.

Fundamentally, the Bible emphasises Christ as Lord and King predominantly, than as just a Savior. The difference between a believer and disciple is a disciple follows Christ, by living a life in submission to Christ's rule and authority in their lives. To make disciples is to make Jesus Lord of peoples lives, not just their Savior. But this is done not by outward instruction or teaching but by the Holy Spirit.
 
Last edited:
The Bible teaches that a high degree of personal righteousness is required to enter the kingdom of heaven: (Matt 5:20, 1 Cor 6:9).
When you say a high degree of personal righteousness is required to get into heaven what does that mean to you? Who do you think the righteous and unrighteous are?

(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Even Jesus said we need to be perfect (Matt 5:48). But If we say we can achieve this by our own effort, this is works, but if this is a result of God's grace, it is not a gospel of works.
To put Matthew 5:48 in proper context, being perfect is to love our enemies; love is what draws people to Christ. The surrounding verses teach us that God blesses both the saved/believers (aka, righteous) and unsaved/disbelievers (aka, unrighteous).

(Matthew 5:43-48) "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your
enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and send rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax gatherers do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."


The Bible says do not be deceived, to think that a persons behaviours and lifestyle do not matter and that only belief matters (1 Cor 6:9).

Believers in Jesus are not being condemned in 1 Corinthians 6:9; it's that simple.
 
Believers in Jesus are not being condemned in 1 Corinthians 6:9; it's that simple.

Actually 1 Cor 6:9; says people who practice certain lifestyles will not enter the kingdom of heaven, it doesn't say anything about believing in Jesus.. As for simply believing in
Jesus, well you may not be condemned, but Jesus doesn't know you.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

These people believed in Jesus, they called him "Lord, Lord", and they did miracles in His name.... why didn't he accept them?

Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'

These people also believed in Jesus, they also called him Lord. They ate and drank in His presence, they heard His teachings. It sounds like they were condemned.

Rom 8:1; Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

It doesn't say those who believe in Jesus, it says those who are in Jesus. There's a big difference.
Simply believing may get you saved, but works after you are saved, are what proves that you are indeed saved.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; even the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Matt 25:11; "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12; "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

The five foolish virgins believed in Him, they also called Him "Lord, Lord". But He said He didn't know them either.

If you think Christians aren't judged, you are mistaken.
1 Pet 4:17; For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
2 Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Rom 3:8; And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), "Let us do evil that good may come"? Their condemnation is just.
Rom 8:34; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
 
Actually 1 Cor 6:9; says people who practice certain lifestyles will not enter the kingdom of heaven, it doesn't say anything about believing in Jesus.. As for simply believing in
Jesus, well you may not be condemned, but Jesus doesn't know you.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

These people believed in Jesus, they called him "Lord, Lord", and they did miracles in His name.... why didn't he accept them?

Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'

These people also believed in Jesus, they also called him Lord. They ate and drank in His presence, they heard His teachings. It sounds like they were condemned.

Rom 8:1; Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

It doesn't say those who believe in Jesus, it says those who are in Jesus. There's a big difference.
Simply believing may get you saved, but works after you are saved, are what proves that you are indeed saved.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; even the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Matt 25:11; "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12; "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

The five foolish virgins believed in Him, they also called Him "Lord, Lord". But He said He didn't know them either.

If you think Christians aren't judged, you are mistaken.
1 Pet 4:17; For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
2 Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Rom 3:8; And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), "Let us do evil that good may come"? Their condemnation is just.
Rom 8:34; who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.

lol, for Heaven's sake! 1 Cor 6:9 clearly says unrighteous. Unrighteous are unbelievers. Stop condemning our brothers, bro.

(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 
Righteosness is a FREE gift from God!

Righteousness means to be right with God.

Paul wrote to the Galatian church "Knowing that a man is not justified [made righteous] by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified [made righteous] by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified [made righteous]" (Galatians 2:16, emphasis added). "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified [made righteous] by the law; ye are fallen from grace" (Galatians 5:4, emphasis added). These had not lost their salvation, but had fallen back into trusting their obedience to the law for righteousness. Paul went on to say, "For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith" (Galatians 5:5). Paul discusses the carnality problem concerning himself in Romans 7:14-25.

16 For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1:16-17)

21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. (Romans 3:21-30)
 
When you say a high degree of personal righteousness is required to get into heaven what does that mean to you? Who do you think the righteous and unrighteous are?

(John 3:16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
.

I appreciate your reply. To me it's very simple, the righteous are those who do what is right, the unrighteous are those who do what is wrong (1 John 3:7-8). Therefore a believer who practices sin is unrighteous. Christ is our righteousness, 1 Cor 1:30, to become like Christ means to become the same as Christ, to be without sin as He is without sin.


To put Matthew 5:48 in proper context, being perfect is to love our enemies; love is what draws people to Christ. The surrounding verses teach us that God blesses both the saved/believers (aka, righteous) and unsaved/disbelievers (aka, unrighteous).

(Matthew 5:43-48) "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your
enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and send rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax gatherers do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

.

Yes that is the context, but in this case the context is not relevant to the principle of being perfect. Jesus addresses the most prevalent or common issues in his hearers, but does not mean that these are the only ways to be perfect. Loving enemies is not the only condition to being perfect. For example, are we perfect if we only love our enemies and yet cheat on our spouse? Of course not. The love commandments are related to the others (Matt 22:40).

Believers in Jesus are not being condemned in 1 Corinthians 6:9; it's that simple.

Correct, it is not the believers but the unrighteous. They have not committed unrighteousness yet, but Paul is warning them that they could. This is why Paul says "do not be deceived". If believers cannot be unrighteous, then why does 1 John 1:9 say if we confess our sins He will cleanse us from unrighteousness?
 
Last edited:
I appreciate your reply. To me it's very simple, the righteous are those who do what is right, the unrighteous are those who do what is wrong (1 John 3:7-8). Therefore a believer who practices sin is unrighteous. Christ is our righteousness, 1 Cor 1:30, to become like Christ means to become the same as Christ, to be without sin as He is without sin.
I understand where you're coming from.

Yes that is the context, but in this case the context is not relevant to the principle of being perfect. Jesus addresses the most prevalent or common issues in his hearers, but does not mean that these are the only ways to be perfect. Loving enemies is not the only condition to being perfect. For example, are we perfect if we only love our enemies and yet cheat on our spouse? Of course not. The love commandments are related to the others (Matt 22:40).
I think trying to be perfect in a broader, self-conscious, law-abiding sense doesn't have an atoning benefit or add finishing touches on the triumph of Calvary. In fact, I think being self-conscious like that can be detrimental to one's faith and relationship with God as we saw in the Old Testament. God's love, unmerited favor draws us to him instead of sin. I can see the benefit of loving others that way (with agape love) for the sake of winning others to Christ; I feel that's what the scripture is trying to convey. (I prefer to be Christ-conscious and follow the Holy Spirit, so I don't foresee myself ever cheating on my future spouse.)

Correct, it is not the believers but the unrighteous. They have not committed unrighteousness yet, but Paul is warning them that they could. This is why Paul says "do not be deceived". If believers cannot be unrighteous, then why does 1 John 1:9 say if we confess our sins He will cleanse us from unrighteousness?
I don't know. I guess when one starts to lose faith/belief in Jesus, they become self-righteous and try to follow law instead of the Holy Spirit. In that case, sin would have dominion over them. Honestly, I have never felt the Holy Spirit condemning me or leading me to confess my sins. I fully receive the gift of righteousness and have peace with God. Is that strange? (:
 
The Bible teaches that a high degree of personal righteousness is required to enter the kingdom of heaven: (Matt 5:20, 1 Cor 6:9). To say we need to be perfect is not a gospel of works. Even Jesus said we need to be perfect (Matt 5:48)
Hello James.

At a fundamental doctrinal level, the scripture teaches us, that it is not our righteousness that God
desires but the righteousness of His Son through faith!

You made the extraordinary claim that we can acheive a 'personal righteousness'?
The Bible teaches that a high degree of personal righteousness is required to enter the kingdom
of heaven:
(Matt 5:20, 1 Cor 6:9).
This statement of yours is contrary to the teaching of the apostles within the scripture.

Titus 3
4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us,
not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by
the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us
richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made
heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Philippians 3:9
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that
which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

Surely James, these two verses above clearly declare, that we are not saved according to our
own righteous efforts. Not on the basis of deeds or legal performance but according to His mercy.
The Holy Spirit washes and regenerates us in Christ, God is the one who sanctifies us.
Not our righteousness but the righteousness of Christ through faith.
 
Last edited:
Hello James.

At a fundamental doctrinal level, the scripture teaches us, that it is not our righteousness that God
desires but the righteousness of His Son through faith!

You made the extraordinary claim that we can acheive a 'personal righteousness'?

Sorry DHC I missed your reply completely. Well I asked Jesus if He meant my righteousness or His righteousness in that verse and He told me "mine" (that is, mine, not His). But then there is the verses that talk about not having righteousness of my own. These two statements seem contradictory but they are not if we understand it is all about one thing - abiding in Christ and being one spirit with the Lord (1 Cor 6:17). You say it is not our righteousness, but 2 Cor 5:21, Matt 5:20 and elsewhere says it is our righteousness and God's Word does not lie. Matt 5:20 must be read as plainly as John 3:16 and it clearly says "your" (referring to us), not "My" (referring to Christ). The Bible says that Christ becomes our righteousness (1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:21), so it is very much our righteousness, but it is not from us, it is from Christ, as the verse you quoted say. Christ is our righteousness does not mean our righteousness is ignored or disappears, it means that Christ becomes our righteousness. We still have a righteousness, but it is not from ourselves it is from Christ. Therefore it depends upon the degree to which we obtain the righteousness of Christ, by abiding in Him. Recall the verse which says if we don't abide in Him we will be burnt (John 15:6). . A clear reference to obtaining the righteousness of Christ by abiding, not merely by believing. Those who believe in Christ yet do not have a high degree of personal righteousness by abiding in Christ, will be burnt in the fire like dry branches! According to the Bible a person who believes in Christ but is not living righteously by abiding in Christ is unrighteous and condemned (Rom 8:1). You see that Christ died to atone for our sins and that because of God's grace we should not sin (Rom 6:14-15). But most John 3:16 believers think that Christ died so that the unrighteous could be called righteous even though according to their behavior they are not righteous. In other words, they believe that Jesus died to change the definition of righteousness from what we do (right or wrong) to "believing", which is completely untrue of course. However that is a consequence of building an entire theology upon a single verse John 3:16 and ignoring or re-interpreting verses such as Matt 5:20. On the one hand it is not our righteousness because it comes from Christ, and on the other hand it is our righteousness because His righteousness becomes ours. If that seems confusing I apologize but it can be summed up by three words "abide in Christ".
 
Last edited:
That's what I call an article of extreme confusion. The article makes some great points in the beginning about grace and then in the end contradicts itself by taking our eyes off the cross and pointing us back to examining ourselves "the sinners" in a condemning manner, which is not scriptural.. (See red bolded text above.) Here are the facts in the Bible that discredit the end of the article:
28 “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
(John 6:28-29)

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:30-31)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. (Ephesians 2:8)

Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. (Romans 5:1) <--AKA, resting on the finished work of Christ. Amen!

Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. (Romans 5:6)

1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:1-2)

Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. (Romans 8:34)

Neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 8:39)



The greatest doing is believing Jesus has done it all for you at the cross.

Hi LoveStory,

I can totally understand your confusion regarding A.W. Pink's article. I have not read a lot of Pink's writing's, but I did read through this whole article which was the original theme of this thread.

In my opinion, you are 100% correct regarding what you said about belief and believing. The same, or almost the same, word in the Greek is used for both believe and faith. They go hand in hand. Our belief in Jesus Christ is our faith in him, and that same belief/faith is the source of our justification and righteousness (not our own righteousness, but Christ's righteousness imputed to us).

Yet, at the same time, when I was reading through Pink's article, I understood what he was saying and agreed with him. I think he chose his words very poorly in the part you quoted in red though, and I see where the confusion is. I don't think Pink was saying that anything besides real faith and true belief in Christ Jesus and his shed blood is required for us to be saved. I think he is talking about a false "belief," which is not rooted in a true faith in Christ's blood. I have seen this in many people who have had a message preached to them that at it's core denied the reality of just how sinful and broken we as humans are, how desperate we are in need of a savior. On the surface, it talks about Christ and the Cross, but underneath it denies the reality of what Christ had to suffer for us. I think Pink is trying to combat something similar in these paragraphs, not to deny that it is by faith alone that we are justified. I did not get the feeling Pink was arguing for a works based salvation here. If I am wrong about his intent here, then I disagree with what he was saying. I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt though.

The preaching of the cross is an offense. It is an offense because at it's core it says that Jesus had to shed his blood on the cross because of how sinful and unworthy we all are. Jesus didn't shed his blood for a bunch a good people who were almost good enough to save themselves, but just not quite, and needed a little extra push. No, Jesus died to save sinners who had/have no ability in and of themselves to save themselves. So, to really trust in the blood of Christ to save you, is to always include repentance, because in order to acknowledge that Jesus shed his blood on the cross for our sins is to acknowledge that I myself am a sinner and I can't save myself. Most people are not willing to admit that they are a sinner. So, repentance and belief in the gospel go hand in hand. One cannot believe in Christ's atoning blood without also having a repentance of their sin. For if one is not repenting of their sin, they are not seeking a savior to save them from it. Instead they are embracing and holding on to it.

This was the gospel that was preached to me at least, and that I am trusting in to save me. The good news that Jesus Christ shed his blood on the cross to pay the price of my sin, and to rescue me from it. I am a sinner, and I am in need of Jesus as my savior to save me from my sin. And just as Jesus raised himself from the dead, he will raise my mortal body from the dead at his coming. Not because of what I have done, but because of what he has done. I am trusting/believing in the Lord Jesus Christ and his shed blood.

Grace to you,

Travis
 
Last edited:
Sorry DHC I missed your reply completely. Well I asked Jesus if He meant my righteousness or His righteousness in that verse and He told me "mine" (that is, mine, not His). But then there is the verses that talk about not having righteousness of my own. These two statements seem contradictory but they are not if we understand it is all about one thing - abiding in Christ and being one spirit with the Lord (1 Cor 6:17). You say it is not our righteousness, but 2 Cor 5:21, Matt 5:20 and elsewhere says it is our righteousness and God's Word does not lie. Matt 5:20 must be read as plainly as John 3:16 and it clearly says "your" (referring to us), not "My" (referring to Christ).

2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

I don't believe that is talking about our own righteousness, that we have brought about. I believe this passage is talking about the righteousness which Christ has/will wrought in His church. This is a hard to understand scripture, I don't think it supports the argument you are making though.

Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Yes, our righteousness needs to exceed that of the scribes and pharisees. In fact, our righteousness needs to be absolutely perfect for us to enter into heaven. We have to have never broken a single one of the laws of God, throughout our whole lifetime. We need to be absolutely perfect and sinless in order to make it to heaven. Anything shy of perfection is not accepted, period. There is only one man who ever was and ever is capable of accomplishing that, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ. It is his righteousness that I need in order to be saved, for all of my own righteousness is as filthy rags:

Isa 64:6 We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.​

and is totally unacceptable to God. It is by faith in his blood that I can receive this righteousness. Nothing I can do on my own to bring about a righteousness can save me. If it could the cross of Christ would not be an offense, and the Jews in Paul's time would not have been persecuting the Christians for saying what they were saying.


The Bible says that Christ becomes our righteousness (1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:21), so it is very much our righteousness, but it is not from us, it is from Christ, as the verse you quoted say. Christ is our righteousness does not mean our righteousness is ignored or disappears, it means that Christ becomes our righteousness. We still have a righteousness, but it is not from ourselves it is from Christ. Therefore it depends upon the degree to which we obtain the righteousness of Christ, by abiding in Him. Recall the verse which says if we don't abide in Him we will be burnt (John 15:6). . A clear reference to obtaining the righteousness of Christ by abiding, not merely by believing. Those who believe in Christ yet do not have a high degree of personal righteousness by abiding in Christ, will be burnt in the fire like dry branches! According to the Bible a person who believes in Christ but is not living righteously by abiding in Christ is unrighteous and condemned (Rom 8:1). You see that Christ died to atone for our sins and that because of God's grace we should not sin (Rom 6:14-15). But most John 3:16 believers think that Christ died so that the unrighteous could be called righteous even though according to their behavior they are not righteous. In other words, they believe that Jesus died to change the definition of righteousness from what we do (right or wrong) to "believing", which is completely untrue of course. However that is a consequence of building an entire theology upon a single verse John 3:16 and ignoring or re-interpreting verses such as Matt 5:20. On the one hand it is not our righteousness because it comes from Christ, and on the other hand it is our righteousness because His righteousness becomes ours. If that seems confusing I apologize but it can be summed up by three words "abide in Christ".

I agree that we need to abide in Christ, in fact, I don't know how to stop abiding him him. He quickened my dead spirit inside of me when I was born again, and the Holy Spirit now lives in my spirit.


1 See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is. 3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure. 4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12 We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother's righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, brothers, that the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brothers. Whoever does not love abides in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 16 By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. 17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? 18 Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth. 19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him; 20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; 22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
1 John 3 ESV

Those who practice righteousness do so by faith in Jesus Christ, they practice righteousness because they are already righteous. They are completely 100% righteous, because they are covered in the blood of Jesus, and have his righteousness. 99.999999% righteousness won't save you. Those who have the Spirit of God dwelling in their spirit are abiding in Christ. The Lord is not going to take his Spirit out of their spirit, and that is the source of their abiding in Christ and him abiding in them. Everyone who is born of God believes on the name of God's son, the Lord Jesus Christ, and everyone born of God loves his fellow brothers because Christ has put this love in their heart. This is black and white.

This is the gospel which was preached to me, that I am trusting in. That Jesus died on the cross, that he shed his blood for my sins, to save me from the penalty of death. By his grace, I have faith to believe in his finished work on the cross to save me, and his written word says that I am declared completely righteous only because of this faith I have in him. I am a sinner, and am not able to save myself from my sin, and my only hope is believing that the Lord Jesus Christ will save me. I cannot add to the righteousness that he already wrought, and to try to do so would be an insult to his grace.

I am trusting in the blood of Jesus to save me, not my own righteousness.

That is what I believe anyway,

Grace to you,

Travis
 
Hello James.

You did not miss my reply James, as I have not written a rely until today. I have been side lined with a number of pressing
issues.
These two statements seem contradictory
There is definitely a contradiction in your theology James, the contradiction arises from disregarding the context in each letter.

Matthew 5
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus is directly addressing the people of Israel in the Gospel of Matthew. James have you ever met or known a scribe or a pharisee?
 
Last edited:
Hello James.

You did not miss my reply James, as I have not written a rely until today. I have been side lined with a number of pressing
issues.

There is definitely a contradiction in your theology James, the contradiction arises from disregarding the context in each letter.

Matthew 5
20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus is directly addressing the people of Israel in the Gospel of Matthew. James have you ever met or known a scribe or a pharisee?

Most, if not all Jesus's dialogue, is with the people of Israel (except for the odd Samaritan woman, of course)...
I think we are on the same page here. Jesus said our righteousness has to be very high to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Our own righteousness is like polluted garments.
So the only way our righteousness can meet God's standard, is if our righteousness, is replaced by Christ our righteousness ( 1 Cor 1:30).
The only way we can be saved is if we are found "in Him" (Phil 3:9).
Christ becomes our righteousness (1 Cor 1:30, 1 Cor 6:17), and that is how we can enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
Last edited:
Most, if not all Jesus's dialogue, is with the people of Israel (except for the odd Samaritan woman, of course)...
I think we are on the same page here. Jesus said our righteousness has to be very high to enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Our own righteousness is like polluted garments.
So the only way our righteousness can meet God's standard, is if our righteousness, is replaced by Christ our righteousness ( 1 Cor 1:30).
The only way we can be saved is if we are found "in Him" (Phil 3:9).
Christ becomes our righteousness (1 Cor 1:30, 1 Cor 6:17), and that is how we can enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Hello James.

Good reply James, your posts are usually very solid.

Christ is the core of all revelation and everything including righteousness is from Him.
 
Back
Top