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The Difference between Evil Angels and Demons

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Loyal
Some Christians get all upset and offended if they hear this (because it touches on their self-righteousness that they and their sins are not "that bad"), but every Christian has two fathers, God and Satan depending upon how a person chooses to live, determines whose child they are. I know Christians, who believe that only God is their Father, and God is their Father, or Father of their spirit if they are truly born again, but according to their sinful lifestyle, Satan is their father (1 John 3:9). No different really to how the Jews thought God was their father and yet Christ said that the devil was their father. As Jews, children of Israel, God was their father, but as murderers and liars, satan was their father (John 8:44). God is the Father of spirits (Heb 12:9), and Satan is the father of fallen flesh because he corrupted mankind with the knowledge of good and evil (1 John 3:8). The purpose of God sending His Son, was to bring people from their old father (satan) to their new Father (God), that is, from their sinful flesh to the Holy Spirit.

Regarding the difference between demons and angels, there is no record of Christ ever casting out an angel from a person, only demons. Demons are spirits/souls without a body (presumably because they had a body to begin with, whether human or some other type of being eg Nephilim) which is why demons want to get inside a body whether human or animal (e.g. pigs Matt 8:31), whereas angels are spiritual beings that do not need a body. A demonic encounter is different to an angelic encounter, a demonic encounter is normally in the form of an evil spirit manifesting through a person or animal, and it can be cast out, but an angelic encounter is normally a direct visitation by a beautiful or perhaps dark and ugly spiritual being as in the case of Joseph Smith and the angel Moroni. Demons seek to inhabit a body mainly for their own self-gratification to inhabit a living body of water as their house because they don't like dry places (Matt 12:43-44), whereas evil angels seek to visit men with a purpose to deceive via a false gospel or doctrine (Gal 1:8). As stated by Gal 1:8, these evil angels can come from Heaven and if we think that all angels that come from heaven are good angels we will surely be deceived as Joseph Smith was. The situation is that Satan and evil angels are free to come and go from heaven until a future time when they will be cast out for good (Job 1:6, Revelation 12). Until then we cannot trust that every angel that comes from heaven is from God. It is probably because angels cannot be trusted that God gave the responsibility for spreading the gospel to men, particularly his chosen apostles.
Wow. You said 'Every Christian has two fathers..God and Satan'. You should speak for yourself. Satan is NEVER my father. He may have been at one time but when God adopted me I was delivered from the House of Satan and I'll never go back!
You took a verse and interpreted it to fit your own ideas instead of praying over it to see what God was trying to tell you. The result was, you told God what He meant, expecting Him to line up with you.
1 John 3:9 (CJB)
9 No one who has God as his Father keeps on sinning, because the seed planted by God remains in him. That is, he cannot continue sinning, because he has God as his Father.
No child of God goes on sinning as a lifestyle, no child of God goes on habitually sinning. He cannot habitually sin because GOD is his father....It does NOT say Satan is his father. YOU put that in there.
Yeah. The Jews who would not submit to God were the children of Satan, no doubt. Just because they were Jews did not make God their father...Jesus said plainly that whosoever you bow your knee to is your master (father) Those Jews did not bow their knee to God.
Now as to your theory on angels or demons....You are actually right on demons, but the angels....How much spirit are those angels? They ate, they rested, they fought battles with mankind and killed people too. That sounds like a physical body in action don't you think?
Don't even talk about Joseph Smith and the angel 'Moron' That was not a real encounter with an angel.
There are no evil angels in heaven. They were cast out.
You really need to get a grip on what God says and trash the rest.
 
Loyal
Wow. You said 'Every Christian has two fathers..God and Satan'. You should speak for yourself.
I don't want to jump in the middle of your conversation with someone else... but... :)

I haven't seen james1523 on here in a couple of years.
 
Loyal
LOL You lost me on that one, my friend.
The guy who made the statement about Christians having two fathers. God and Satan... he goes by the name james1523.
(there is no 15th chapter of James). I used to talk to him a lot a few years ago. But I haven't seen him on here in a long time.
 
Loyal
The guy who made the statement about Christians having two fathers. God and Satan... he goes by the name james1523.
(there is no 15th chapter of James). I used to talk to him a lot a few years ago. But I haven't seen him on here in a long time.
Oh. ROFL Sorry I must have been smoking banana peels there.
 
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YOU SAID;- " every Christian has two fathers, God and Satan depending upon how a person chooses to live, determines whose child they are."

"ALL TRUTH, CAN ONLY BE FOUND IN MESSIAH YAHSHUA." His FAITH in us enables us to believe his Fathers words. IN His anointed dwells his GOD and Fathers word. His GOD and Fathers teaching. JONH 7:16-17- Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is NOT mine, but HIS who sent (commissioned) me; if any one may will to do HIS will, he shall know concerning the teaching, whether it is of GOD, or, I do speak from myself: JOHN 20:17b- “... I (Jesus) ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my GOD, and to your GOD:” PSALMS 33:6- By the word of Yahweh were the heavens made; and all the HOST of them (SUN, MOON AND STARS) by the breath of His mouth (spirit).

Truth found ONLY in the Fathers anointed Yahshua adoni, was replaced with ERROR, stemming from Judeo-Christianity and the traditions of men (synagogue/church) and OUR misunderstanding of what the scriptures teach: The reason being, bible translators give us their version of the Hebrew, Aramaic & Greek texts, in English, NOT necessarily a literal translation, but their biased opinion of what they believe to be true (mans doctrine). Take the capitalisation of words for instance, which gives the reader a false impression of the authors original intent; Changing word into Word (Name) or changing devil into Devil (Name) or changing satan into Satan (Name) doesn’t help anyone seeking truth: Most people take for granted that the bible they are reading is TRUE and without ERROR. Take the KJV ONLY believers, they insist that their KJV bible is the ONLY bible that is inspired by Yahweh and has NO ERROR. For that statement to be TRUE, that would mean Yahweh’s doctrine/teaching is FALSE and His word is NOT found in us. The KJV and some other translations that people use, IS what the authors state it to be, a VERSION and not a TRANSLATION...

SATAN
Persian dualism, a view of two Gods (POLYTHEISM) in the cosmos battling for supremacy, was carried out of Persia with the repatriated Hebrew people in the 6th Century BC. A Greek takeover filled the Persian idea of a lesser evil God with all the myth and lore of the Greek pantheon. Greek theology brought us to the Satan we have in our minds today. What Did The Persians, Greeks, And Pharisees Bring Us? These Pharisees, the most derisional of religious sawtawns ever, brought their doctrine of Satan to Christianity. A look back at their journey and connections with Persia shows how the Pharisees were raised up by Persian Magi from Farsi. As spiritual children of Persian magicians, the power hungry Pharisees stole the idea of an evil lesser God and forced it into the life of the Jerusalemites under their care. As the group most responsible for guiding religious thought in the centuries after leaving Persia, the Pharisees were able to instruct the masses in the ways of Satan (Demonology/Angelology). The sequel to their epic move was even more subtle, because of the Hellenization of a people which allowed Greek ideas to fill the holes in an oddly unbiblical doctrine of Satan. Voila, Satan was then given to the Christians and we now have the Greeks to thank for that...

Any unbiased scholar will tell us then, that the Greek word must and be defined by the Hebrew meaning of the word. Therefore, the Satan in the New Testament is informed by the sawtawn of the Old Testament. That leaves us with some pretty clear conclusions on what a satan and a demon are. Context shows that satan, demons, devils, and unclean spirits are several things, And one of those things is not an immortal spirit or a super- natural entitie/entities Christendom has suggested they are. We find the satan of the Bible to be; an adverse person, an adverse situation, a physical illness, a mental infirmity, a false teacher of false doctrine, an erroneous belief or false doctrine, a person who is a deceiver, a person who opposes Yahweh’s plan or another person, and yes, even Yahweh Himself is at times the sawtawn. So we see that Yahshua was indeed tempted in the wilderness, but Yahweh’s spirit sent Him there to be tested. In the entire ministry of Yahshua, there were no stronger adversaries than the religious leaders. We see that Yahshua was tested by these satans on many occasions and it was these jealous, pride filled, and tenacious scrutineers who would test the Messiah because they had an obligation to test any figure who appeared on the scene and was said to be a candidate for Messiah. The satan and demon possession of the Gospels was no more than false doctrines, false teachers, mental illness, physical affliction, adversarial men, and persecuting oppressive government. You could be a satan, I could be a satan, my thinking, my friend, my religion, or my government can be a satan.

QUESTION;- Why does the noun sawtawn get translated as a NAME by scholars when translating out of the Hebrew?

Ministers quote Rev 12; about the "war in heaven” and “the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan...” and insist that “satan” is a “fallen angel.” But, in verse 3 that “satan” has “seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” That is the SAME seven headed “beast” upon which Mystery Babylon rides in Rev 17; and there it is quite plain — it is a conglomeration of nations! They say the “war” in Rev 12; was fought in Yahweh's “heaven,” but, in verse 1, we find the “woman clothed with the sun,” was, also, in “heaven.” The woman is Israel, and Israel was on the earth, so the “heaven” of Rev 12; is on the earth, also! These 2 facts: (1) The “satan” of Rev 12; is identical to the "kings" (nations) of Rev 17; and (2) the "heaven" of Rev 12; is where Israel is, absolutely rules out Rev 12 as being about any supernatural, omnipresent, immortal fallen angel. The "Satan" of the Churches cannot be found in Rev 12; The truth about "satan" is nothing short of ASTOUNDING. The Satan of the churches is as real as the hell of the churches!

1. The title “Lucifer” appears only once in the Bible and it is a mistranslation! Even then, the passage is plainly addressed to a mortal man who is identified and told he is going to die soon! Yet that passage has been used for centuries by “the clergy” to expound about an old archangel called “Lucifer!”
2. “Devil” is NOT found in the Old Testament at all.
3. “Devils” (plural) is used 4 times and ONLY in reference to idols of wood and stone. It does NOT refer to any “living” IMMORTAL thing.

Rom 16:20; “And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”
Lk 21:22 “...For these be the days of vengeance, that ALL THINGS THAT ARE WRITTEN may be FULFILLED.”

Parousia-
presence
The sign of Messiah’s presence (parousia) in Matthew 24:3-was revealed when Yahweh’s Judgement CAME with vengeance in A D.70, with the destruction of the (made with hands) temple: A vital point, totally ignored today, is that prophecy never implied two comings divided by millennia. That kind of language is not used by the Hebrew prophets. It should BECOME apparent very quickly that Isaiah did not know of any “second coming”. For it is the day of Yahweh's vengeance. The year of recompense for the cause of Zion. (Isaiah 34:8) The spirit of Yahweh is upon me; (Yahshua) Because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor. He (Yahweh) has sent me to heal the broken hearted; To proclaim liberty to the captives; And the opening of the prison to those who are bound.) To proclaim the acceptable year of Yahweh, AND the (day of vengeance) of our Yahweh. Indeed Yahweh has proclaimed to the end of the world, "Say to the daughter of Zion. SHURELY your (salvation is coming) Behold, His (Yahweh’s) reward is with Him and His (Yahweh’s) work before Him." (Isaiah 62:11) For the (day of vengeance) is in My (Yahweh’s) heart. AND the year of My (Yahweh’s) (redeemed has come). (Isaiah 63:4) There is not ONE distinction between "a coming in redemption and a coming in vengeance.” Nowhere do the Hebrew prophets teach a "second coming" to fulfill the rest of the things Yahweh was unable to fulfill the first time. They saw one short fulfillment period with two phases to it; a suffering humiliation phase and a victorious consummation phase.

In Matthew 26:63-65 we read where Yahshua promised the High Priest, Caiaphas, that he (Caiaphas) would "see (perceive) the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven.” As a ruler and High Priest of Israel, a fleshly seed of Abraham, who rejected Yahweh’s anointed one, he would see (perceive) Yahshua’s return in judgment. A fleshly (bodily) return of Yahshua’s presence (parousia) on the clouds was contrary to the nature of Caiaphas' understanding of the OT prophets. In Biblical language, "clouds" are symbolic of Yahweh's wrath and judgment against the enemies of Yahweh's people. David said that Yahweh delivered him from his enemies while descending on the clouds. (Please read Psalm. 18:3-15). Of course, clouds also speak of Yahweh's majesty, power and divine presence.

In the OT, Yahweh came many times. He CAME on the clouds, with fire, with messengers, in judgment, and "heaven and earth" passed away. He CAME when He delivered Israel from Egypt (Exodus 3:8). He CAME in the fall of Babylon (Isaiah 13-14). He CAME in the fall of Edom (Isaiah 34). He CAME with the destruction of Egypt at the hands of the Assyrians (Isaiah 19-20). He CAME with fire and the shout when He defeated the Assyrians as they besieged Jerusalem (Isaiah 30, 37). Each of these events showed the COMINGS of Yahweh. They were manifestations of the majesty and glory of Yahweh in judgment. They manifested Yahweh's sovereignty and justice (Isaiah 26:9). The fulfillment of His predictions to "come" showed Him to be the true ONE (Isaiah 41:21f). When Yahweh used the means of a nation or people to carry out a judgment, He was said to, come on the clouds. The Day of Yahweh was tumultuous, frightening and awesome. But Yahweh did not visibly appear. It is clear that Yahshua’s presence parousia was to involve clouds (Matthew 24:30; 26:64; Mark 13:26; 14:62; Luke 21:27). let us look at some OT passages that would help us to understand the NT.

Exodus 16:10 – It came about as Aaron spoke to the whole congregation of the sons of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and behold, the glory of Yahweh appeared in the cloud.

Exodus 19:9 – Yahweh said to Moses, "Behold, I will come to you in a thick cloud, so that the people may hear when I speak with you and may also believe in you forever." Then Moses told the words to the people of Yahweh.

Exodus 34:5 – Yahweh descended in the cloud and stood there with him as he called upon the name of Yahweh.

Leviticus 16:2 – Yahweh said to Moses: "Tell your brother Aaron that he shall not enter at any time into the holy place inside the veil, before the mercy seat which is on the ark, or he will die; for I will appear in the cloud over the mercy seat.”

Numbers 11:25 – Then Yahweh came down in the cloud and spoke to him... NOTE: that in several of these passages, Yahweh is said to have;-
come, descended, came down, and appeared. This is language similar to that which Yahshua used in reference to His own presence parousia.

QUESTION: Was the “body” of Yahweh/Yahshua seen at these times or was it just that the cloud signified the presence of Yahweh/Yahshua ?
Were these manifestations of Yahweh/Yahshua bodily and physical ? The ANSWER is obvious.

* Please consider the PDF Link titled.... Angels & Demons; https://benwilliamslibrary.com/pdfs/Angels_Demons.pdf

JOHN 1:1- IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. KJV

When Paul and Barnabas were at Lystra (in Asia Minor) spreading the Good News of Messiah’s Reign, Paul healed a lame man. Witnesses began shouting: "The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Zeus, and Paul, Mercury, because he was the lead spokesman (Gk. logos)".Acts 14:11-12 Wait a minute! I thought Yahshua was The Logos: JOHN 1:1 Because of these basic errors in theology, churches have twisted, mistranslated and misread the first chapter of the Gospel of John for centuries: The churches misread John 1:1 to say:- “In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.” Church people who have heard it read this way over and over have come to accept it. How ever, that is NOT what this verse says. The correct rendering is: "In the beginning was the communication (the logos). And the communication was regarding God. And God was the communication" (i.e., God was expressing Himself ). Some may say, “Yes, but Jesus is the Word: the Logos” However, as you can see, that is not what this verse says. You cannot find the word Jesus there. Rather, it says that God was the logos. “ Logos ” means communication. In fact, a few verses later (vs 14) it says that the communication (logos) BECAME FLESH. In other words, in due time God finalized his communication with man by expressing Himself in flesh... through his Son. Yahshua was the image of his Father expressed in flesh. "Who being the light of his glory and the express image of his essence, sat down on the right of the Majesty on high;" The real question of John 1:1 is this: Who or what, is “the logos?” Genesis 1:1 clearly tells us that Yahweh, ALONE, existed in “the beginning.” Therefore, it was Yahweh who communicated to man in “the beginning.” That communication to Adam was the first “logos.” It was God’s word. His law. "And Yahweh God commanded Adam..." Gen. 2:16 It is a fact that the term “logos” was used for God, Yahshua and Paul. This makes perfect sense because the word
logos ” means communication. Paul was called “the logos” in Acts 14:1. God’s logos came first in the form of law commands to Adam. Later, when Yahshua came upon the scene, God’s logos (communication) took on the form of flesh. That came NOT in the beginning but AFTERWARD! Don’t misread it. Yahweh communicates to mortal man. In Hebrews 1:1-2 we read: "God (Yahweh) who at sundry times and in divers manners SPOKE in time past to the fathers by the prophets, Has in THESE last days SPOKEN (communicated) to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He fulfilled the ages...” God spoke (communicated) to Adam and to the prophets. But NOW He speaks (communicates) through His Son, Yahshua. Paul, too, spoke as Yahshua’s logos. In the beginning Yahweh spoke. Later his word came via his prophets. Yahshua was, of course, his greatest Logos. Men communicate with each other by way of symbols, words, pictures, or sign language. These symbols communicate ideas and thoughts. God, like wise, revealed Himself by communication using symbols that were understandable to men. Yahshua is the ultimate symbol: the best logos God could give us. God reveals Himself to man in three ways: (1) By spirit: He inspires people. (2) By his word: the Scriptures. (3) By his Son, Yahshua Messiah: our Reigning King.

NO argument can be built for plurality in the El from the plural ending of Elohim God; Moses, who is a single person, is called Elohim/God in Ex. 7:1; The Messiah who is a single person is called Elohim/God in Heb. 1:8; King David who is called Elohim/God he too is a single person in Ps. 45:6;
NOTE: That the Greek version of the Old Testament and the New Testament always render the word God by theos which is a singular, NOT plural, word: In Judges 8:33; 16:23-24, a single idol is called Elohim. In 1 Kings 11:33 Ashtoreth, the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh, the god of the Moabites, and Milcom, the god of the Ammonites, are each designated Elohim, though each was a single god. Furthermore, Abraham is called lord, where a plural form, adonim lords, is used in Gen. 24:9-10; Potiphar is called the adonim masters of Joseph, Gen. 39:2, 3, 7, 8, 19, 20; and the lords of Joseph in Genesis 39:16 and 40:7; Joseph is called the man who is the lords adonim of the land and the lords of the country, Gen. 42:30, 33;
Other examples of a plural ending with singular meaning may be found in Num. 25:1-5; Deut. 4:7; 1 Sam. 4:5-8; 1 Kings 11:5; 2 Kings 1:2; 19:37.
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He he Hold on there james!!!! hehe The only evil angel there is in heaven is the devil, there is one evil angel in the bottomless pit as well.( rev 9:11) The rest are indeed demons. Your references as to eph 2:2 is talking about the devil himself, not another angel,for he is called this as well. gen 15:11 Birds of prey is really a long ball as to meaning an evil angel bro! Jude 1:8 is speaking about visions and angels in general please see 2Peter 2:10. matt 13:19 The evil one is the devil not some strange evil angel bro! Job 1:6 The sons of God are not evil,they would not have been called sons if they were,and the devil was with them!

I do not know where you got your information from good brother,but you have bought into some very false doctrine here. I could go on, but I believe you get the point. As far as your reference to Jude 1:9 Michael was going up against an angel who was the very guardian to the throne of God before he fell!(( Ezekiel 28:14-19) The devil,not some evil angel other then the devil. I truly believe for most, the spirit world is complicated enough without looking to add more then what it is bro! If there were evil angels other then the devil in heaven then that would make God part evil as well!!

For one would have to say he created evil angels when he did not create them. I wonder if the scripture you copied down here you looked at? Or just took the author of this garbage at his word?( 2 tim 3:16-17) I am not angry, this is just a gentle rebuke to the words not the person here! The point,people here are going to look at each scripture,and as they do,they will find no way this is true good brother! 2 cor 11:14 is again the devil bro,did you see this?? humm Please do indeed check on anyone who tells you anything about the Word,some are wolves,and to the believer who does not follow the Word itself,they can be caused to stumble,and i know you never wish to do this good brother!!( matt 18:6-7)!!!
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SATAN
Persian dualism, a view of two Gods (POLYTHEISM) in the cosmos battling for supremacy, was carried out of Persia by the Hebrew people in the 6th Century BC. A Greek takeover filled the Persian idea of a lesser evil God with all the myth and lore of the Greek pantheon. Greek theology brought us to the Satan we have today. The Pharisees, the most derisional of religious sawtawns ever, brought their doctrine of Satan to Christianity. The Pharisees were raised up by Persian Magi from Farsi. As spiritual children of Persian magicians, the power hungry Pharisees stole the idea of an evil lesser God and forced it upon Yahweh’s people who were under their care. As the group most responsible for guiding religious thought the Pharisees were able to instruct the people in the ways of Satan (Demonology/Angelology).


Why does the noun sawtawn get translated as a NAME by scholars when translating out of the Hebrew? Any unbiased scholar will tell us, that the Greek word must be defined by what the Hebrew word means. Context shows that satan, demons, devils, and unclean spirits biblically defined can mean a number of things. Satan can be; an adverse person, an adverse situation, a physical illness, a mental infirmity, a false teacher of false doctrine, an erroneous belief, a person who is a deceiver, a person who opposes Yahweh’s plan or opposes any person, and Yahweh Himself is at times the sawtawn. The meaning that Satan has today as the name of "the chief of evil spirits" comes from Christian traditions unknown at the time the Gospels were written. The Hebrew word was not a name, but a descriptive noun. King David is described as an adversary of his enemies with the term "satan." Even in the story of Job, where the adversary is personalized, the Hebrew "satan" is never used as a name, since it is used with a definite article (the), which Hebrew never does with proper names, "the adversary" In the Hebrew sense, "satan" means "an adversary" or more generally, "adversity or suffering" in the sense of "life's adversity" and, even more, "the accuser" in the sense of our inner voice of self-doubt. The satan and demon possession of the Gospels was no more than false doctrines, false teachers, mental illness, physical affliction, adversarial men, and persecuting oppressive government. You could be a satan, I could be a satan, my thinking, my friend, my religion, or my government can be a satan. Messiah uses the word only three times in Matthew; (4:10 Begone, Satan! for it is written, 'You shall worship Yahweh your God; 12:26 And if Satan casts out Satan, 16:23 Get behind me, Satan). While he uses it to address someone twice, he does not use it as a name. This is an artefact of poor translation. In the Greek, the word is clearly not in the form of an address (called vocative) but in the form of an object of the verb. In other words, Messiah is describing these people as an adversary, not calling them a name. The sense in the Greek in Mat 4:10 is not "go away, Satan" but more like "take away adversity" or "take away a barrier."

"Devil" as Slanderers and Degraders; The word translated as "devil" (diabolos) is used least frequently. It means "slanderous", "backbiting," and "slanderer." The Greek word diabolos is the source of the English word "devil" in the sense of a person who degrades or attempts to degrade another person. Messiah uses this term in Mat 13:3, Mat 25:41, Luke 8:12 and John 8:44. Messiah's clearest statement regarding his use of the term is John 8:44. In it, he says, literally, "You are from the father of yours, the slanderer and wish to create the desires of your father. That one was a man-killer from the start as he didn't keep with the truth. This is because the truth is not in him. When you tell lies, he has spoken from his own. This is because he is a liar and the father of the same." So the "devil" is a "man killer", but what is a "man killer". Messiah seems to mean someone who destroys people's reputations because "he doesn't keep with the truth." The focus is on lying and encouraging others to lie as "the father of lies". A "devil" (diabolos) is a false idea.

1. The title “Lucifer” appears only once in the Bible and it is a mistranslation! Even then, the passage is plainly addressed to a mortal man who is identified and told he is going to die soon! Yet that passage has been used for centuries by “the clergy” to expound about an old archangel called “Lucifer!”
2. “Devil” is NOT found in the Old Testament at all.
3. “Devils” (plural) is used 4 times and ONLY in reference to idols of wood and stone. It does NOT refer to any “living” IMMORTAL thing.
 
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The Greek word diabolos is the source of the English word "devil" in the sense of a person who degrades or attempts to degrade another person
it was the Jewish thought that this was one of the few things worthy of 'hell'. Not surprising as we see that it totally opposes what Jesus instructed us to do.... to love one another [even if they are not lovable towards you]


Bless you ....><>
 
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Greetings,

given what you have shared here,

SATAN
Persian dualism, a view of two Gods (POLYTHEISM) in the cosmos battling for supremacy, was carried out of Persia by the Hebrew people in the 6th Century BC. A Greek takeover filled the Persian idea of a lesser evil God with all the myth and lore of the Greek pantheon. Greek theology brought us to the Satan we have today. The Pharisees, the most derisional of religious sawtawns ever, brought their doctrine of Satan to Christianity. The Pharisees were raised up by Persian Magi from Farsi. As spiritual children of Persian magicians, the power hungry Pharisees stole the idea of an evil lesser God and forced it upon Yahweh’s people who were under their care. As the group most responsible for guiding religious thought the Pharisees were able to instruct the people in the ways of Satan (Demonology/Angelology).


Why does the noun sawtawn get translated as a NAME by scholars when translating out of the Hebrew? Any unbiased scholar will tell us, that the Greek word must be defined by what the Hebrew word means. Context shows that satan, demons, devils, and unclean spirits biblically defined can mean a number of things. Satan can be; an adverse person, an adverse situation, a physical illness, a mental infirmity, a false teacher of false doctrine, an erroneous belief, a person who is a deceiver, a person who opposes Yahweh’s plan or opposes any person, and Yahweh Himself is at times the sawtawn. The meaning that Satan has today as the name of "the chief of evil spirits" comes from Christian traditions unknown at the time the Gospels were written. The Hebrew word was not a name, but a descriptive noun. King David is described as an adversary of his enemies with the term "satan." Even in the story of Job, where the adversary is personalized, the Hebrew "satan" is never used as a name, since it is used with a definite article (the), which Hebrew never does with proper names, "the adversary" In the Hebrew sense, "satan" means "an adversary" or more generally, "adversity or suffering" in the sense of "life's adversity" and, even more, "the accuser" in the sense of our inner voice of self-doubt. The satan and demon possession of the Gospels was no more than false doctrines, false teachers, mental illness, physical affliction, adversarial men, and persecuting oppressive government. You could be a satan, I could be a satan, my thinking, my friend, my religion, or my government can be a satan. Messiah uses the word only three times in Matthew; (4:10 Begone, Satan! for it is written, 'You shall worship Yahweh your God; 12:26 And if Satan casts out Satan, 16:23 Get behind me, Satan). While he uses it to address someone twice, he does not use it as a name. This is an artefact of poor translation. In the Greek, the word is clearly not in the form of an address (called vocative) but in the form of an object of the verb. In other words, Messiah is describing these people as an adversary, not calling them a name. The sense in the Greek in Mat 4:10 is not "go away, Satan" but more like "take away adversity" or "take away a barrier."

"Devil" as Slanderers and Degraders; The word translated as "devil" (diabolos) is used least frequently. It means "slanderous", "backbiting," and "slanderer." The Greek word diabolos is the source of the English word "devil" in the sense of a person who degrades or attempts to degrade another person. Messiah uses this term in Mat 13:3, Mat 25:41, Luke 8:12 and John 8:44. Messiah's clearest statement regarding his use of the term is John 8:44. In it, he says, literally, "You are from the father of yours, the slanderer and wish to create the desires of your father. That one was a man-killer from the start as he didn't keep with the truth. This is because the truth is not in him. When you tell lies, he has spoken from his own. This is because he is a liar and the father of the same." So the "devil" is a "man killer", but what is a "man killer". Messiah seems to mean someone who destroys people's reputations because "he doesn't keep with the truth." The focus is on lying and encouraging others to lie as "the father of lies". A "devil" (diabolos) is a false idea.

1. The title “Lucifer” appears only once in the Bible and it is a mistranslation! Even then, the passage is plainly addressed to a mortal man who is identified and told he is going to die soon! Yet that passage has been used for centuries by “the clergy” to expound about an old archangel called “Lucifer!”
2. “Devil” is NOT found in the Old Testament at all.
3. “Devils” (plural) is used 4 times and ONLY in reference to idols of wood and stone. It does NOT refer to any “living” IMMORTAL thing.

how does that fit in with:

And He [Jesus] said unto them [His Disciples], I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luke 10:18


Bless you ....><>

Young's Literal Translation
and He said to them, 'I was beholding the Adversary, as lightning from the heaven having fallen;
 

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