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The Difference between Evil Angels and Demons

Discussion in 'Evidence & Prophecy' started by james1523, Aug 12, 2014.

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  1. #1 james1523, Aug 12, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2014
    Here we will see the difference between Evil Angels and Demons from Scripture. These are two kinds of evil spirits that a Christian may encounter during his lifetime, so it is important to know the difference and how to deal with each. For those who would say they are the "same thing", let me remind you that God's Word, every word, is precise and accurate, so when it says angel, it means angel, and when it says demon, it means demon - not an angel which is actually a demon, or a demon which is actually an angel.


    Evil Angels

    • Inhabitants of the air/heavens, sometimes signified by "birds of the air" (Eph 2:2, Gen 15:11, Jude 1:8, Matt 13:19)
    • Originally dwelt in and can access heaven (Job 1:6, Eph 6:12, Rev 12:7-9, Jude 1:8)
    • Don't inhabit human bodies or animals (Jesus never cast an angel or even Satan the archangel out of anyone, He only cast out demons).
    • Are powerful created beings, with some splendor or beauty (2 Cor 11:14), such that only the Lord is qualified to rebuke them (Jude 1:8-9)
    • Cannot be cast out (because they don't dwell in human bodies), can only be rebuked by the Lord (Jude 1:9) and the way to deal with them is to submit to God and resist them (James 4:7)


    Demons

    • Like wet places, eg the sea, lakes, bodies (humans, animals, who are mostly water), on the Earth (Luke 11:24, Matt 8:31-32)
    • Sometimes signified by "creeping things" (Lev 11:41-43).
    • Like to inhabit the bodies of human beings or animals (Matt 8:31), Jesus sought to cast them out and told his disciples to cast them out also (Matthew 10:1; Mark 3:14-15; Luke 9:1).
    • Cannot access heaven (there is no record of any demon ever going to heaven).
    • Unlike fallen angels they cannot pretend to be an angel of light, they have no beauty or splendor, are ugly, filthy, earthly, like to live in unclean places such as pigs and tombs (Matt 8:31, Mark 5:3).
    • The way to deal with them, is to cast them out, by the authority and power of Christ in His name. The Bible never says to resist a demon, but to cast it out.

    It is easy to understand that evil angels are the 1/3 of angels that rebelled against God from Heaven.

    But it is not so clear what the demons are, so here is a suggestion.
    Three clues:
    1) they feel at home in water, therefore must be used to water.
    2) they feel at home in human bodies, therefore must be the spirits of human or human-like creatures.
    3) their realm is the Earth, therefore must not have the ability to fly like the angels.


    From Scripture there is only one type of creature that would haunt in the seas and inhabit human bodies.
    The demons might be the souls/spirits of the human or human-angel (Gen 6:1-2) race that was destroyed by Noah's flood, for whom there was no redemption (unlike Noah and his family and the whole human race since).
     
  2. #2 DHC, Aug 12, 2014
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    Hello James.

    Hope you do not mind my using your thread to practice posting a photo?
     
  3. Hi DHC it didn't work?
     
  4. Hey James, still cannot post an image as I am not sure how to do so.
    Do you know how to insert an image into a post?
    Thanks mate.
     
  5. #5 DHC, Aug 13, 2014
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  6. Nope I can't get it to work either, maybe mods can help.
     
  7. Members do not have permission to post photos for security reasons.
     
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  8. Hello Chad.
    I only want to post two images of text, the text is ancient Hebrew and the post editor does
    not allow ancient Hebrew.
     
  9. He he Hold on there james!!!! hehe The only evil angel there is in heaven is the devil, there is one evil angel in the bottomless pit as well.( rev 9:11) The rest are indeed demons. Your references as to eph 2:2 is talking about the devil himself, not another angel,for he is called this as well. gen 15:11 Birds of prey is really a long ball as to meaning an evil angel bro! Jude 1:8 is speaking about visions and angels in general please see 2Peter 2:10. matt 13:19 The evil one is the devil not some strange evil angel bro! Job 1:6 The sons of God are not evil,they would not have been called sons if they were,and the devil was with them!

    I do not know where you got your information from good brother,but you have bought into some very false doctrine here. I could go on, but I believe you get the point. As far as your reference to Jude 1:9 Michael was going up against an angel who was the very guardian to the throne of God before he fell!(( Ezekiel 28:14-19) The devil,not some evil angel other then the devil. I truly believe for most, the spirit world is complicated enough without looking to add more then what it is bro! If there were evil angels other then the devil in heaven then that would make God part evil as well!!

    For one would have to say he created evil angels when he did not create them. I wonder if the scripture you copied down here you looked at? Or just took the author of this garbage at his word?( 2 tim 3:16-17) I am not angry, this is just a gentle rebuke to the words not the person here! The point,people here are going to look at each scripture,and as they do,they will find no way this is true good brother! 2 cor 11:14 is again the devil bro,did you see this?? humm Please do indeed check on anyone who tells you anything about the Word,some are wolves,and to the believer who does not follow the Word itself,they can be caused to stumble,and i know you never wish to do this good brother!!( matt 18:6-7)!!!
     
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  10. #10 james1523, Aug 17, 2014
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    Hello, thank you for your post, but according to Rev 12:7-9 there is still the problem of Satan and his angels in Heaven until a future time after the rapture (Rev 12:5). Unless you believe that Revelation and the rapture has already happened? Please carefully consider the following verses, taking note of the items in bold:

    Satan Thrown Out of Heaven (Rev 12:7-9)

    7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    This verse shows that Heaven will not be cleansed from Satan and his evil angels until Revelation 12:7-9 comes to pass immediately after the rapture (Rev 12:5). Until such time, both Earth and Heaven are battle grounds between God and Satan. Jesus taught us to pray "thy kingdom come" in the Lord's prayer (Matt 6:10) Most Christians don't know what this means. According to Rev 12:10, booting Satan and his angels out of heaven is what God's kingdom coming means.

    We can see that the rapture (Rev 12:5) is not just for us to escape the Tribulation, God needs the rapture and all these things to pass, so that He can boot Satan and his evil angels out of Heaven! Did you know that Satan and his angels are booted out of heaven to make room for His raptured Church? It is as if God is saying to Satan "my sons (the redeemed people of God) are coming home, now it's time for you to get out!".

    I look forward to your reply bro :).
     
  11. #11 Brighthouse, Aug 17, 2014
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2014
    Hi brother James i am glad you did not take offense to my post!! I was concerned you would. As you well know, for many, there are many ways one can take the rapture and tribulation,I sure agree with you they have not taken place yet! As to when, this of course is up for grabs!An interesting point you made in rev 12:7 It does say the dragon and his angels,and the question would be are these angels not mentioned by any name other then angels,are these the people who like the devil himself have been let loose out of hell for a time??( matt 25:41) I do not know bro. The only point i wanted to make with you, is that what can end up happening at the end,was not started at the beginning. For if God himself created any evil at any time,then he would be part evil, and that good brother I can never swallow!

    For if this was true, then his very nature of love would be false.( 1 cor 13:4-8) and would make God imperfect! There are many different views upon when rapture takes place,one thing is for certain for me,whenever it takes place is before rev 13:8!!! because after this verse, no believers are upon the earth anymore. There is an appeal made from heaven in rev 18:4-8,but no one changes. My wisdom in this matter is limited to what part of wisdom I have from the Lord.( 1 cor 13:12) I just do not wish for us to mix things to fit into what we wish to believe upon is all bro. I hope you better understand me. The scripture that were given to you to support evil angels as being created by God as evil,does not fit either the nature of God himself,or that of us his children. If we mix gas to a flame, all we will get is more badly burned in the process. lol
     
  12. #12 Thiscrosshurts, Aug 17, 2014
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    You may want to consider this verse.
    Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, 'My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.'

    God never lost control of any situation.
    Isaiah 14:24 The LORD Almighty has sworn, "Surely, as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will happen.

    Angel means messenger
    Satan means adversary or accuser.
    Satan's angel could be any message of false accusation.
    Jesus said Satan was a liar and a murderer from the beginning.

    John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Satan sets his mind on mans plans and opposes God's plan.
    Matthew 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”

    Satan wanted Jesus to serve the same plans that Peter wanted Jesus to serve,mans plans.
    Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"

    Is it possible that the carnal mind is satan and any message that proceeds from that mindset is an angel or messenger of satan?
    I continually use scripture(God's messages or angels) to war against my unbelieving carnal mind.

    Edit to add:
    Michael means "who is like God" which should be our testimony.
    Yeah team
     
  13. I guess I should have used some examples. example- man going to hell is not the will of God from the beginning,however because of man's unbelief in what Jesus has done,the end for that man who believes not( rev 21:8) will be to join all those of the same unbelief. hehe Death from the beginning was not meant either,( gen 2:16-17) but through Adam death spread to all because of sin.( rom 5:12) So ThiscrossHurts this is how i meant that. Did the Lord know all this would happen? SURE!!! he foreknew all things( 1 peter 1:2) It would be easy for me to take what you said and become offended,but testing each other is good as well! The Sword should heal, and not cut our brothers and sisters anymore. Takes time to mature, i know!( Philp 1:6--11) I can speak upon this scripture because i have been in prison myself for preaching the grace of Jesus myself .hehe
     
  14. #14 Thiscrosshurts, Aug 17, 2014
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    Isaiah 14:24 The LORD Almighty has sworn, "Surely, as I have planned, so it will be, and as I have purposed, so it will happen.


    As God purposed it will happen.
    Do you believe that was his purpose?

    I don't claim to have the answers but I have not stopped seeking.
    Jesus said no man can come unto me unless the Father draw him.
    It seems to me that if the father draws someone then it will be successful because scripture says so.
    Maybe we should seek answers that do not conflict with other scripture.
     
  15. #15 Brighthouse, Aug 17, 2014
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    Purpose to me bro.(Matt 18:11-14) Should we be any different then this grace? And do you believe we should always grow in this grace?? ( 2 peter 3:18)? And who stops seeking? Not me!! The topic was angels. Where are you looking to go with this bro? predestined? Rom 8:29-30? that is much different topic to me all together. Purpose!!! Luke 9:54-56
     
  16. #16 james1523, Aug 17, 2014
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    I don't believe that God created evil or evil angels at all. Agree with you 100%. Apologies if my post seemed to indicate that. All I know is that Satan rebelled against God and so did a third of the angels with him. They could do this because they chose to by their free will, not because God created them as evil. As far as Rev 12:7-9 indicates, Satan and these rebellious angels have access to Heaven until they are booted out sometime after the rapture which I assume has not yet happened. Although Satan roams the Earth because he was thrown out of Heaven a long time ago, Satan still goes to God in heaven and accuses the brethren (Rev 12:10, Job 1:6-10). Rev 12:7-9 is about God dealing with the accuser of the brethren.
     
  17. ic bro cool, just wanted to make sure we stay on the same page hehe thanks!
     
  18. #18 B-A-C, Aug 17, 2014
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    Jude 1:6; And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
    Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

    Job 1:6; Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
    Job 2:1; Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD.

    The thought here is.. that the "sons of God" (lower case 's') are angels here. Much like Genesis 6.
    Gen 6:2; that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

    Contrasted with the sons and daughter of men (humans). Now it's true that we can become "sons of God". (Matt 5:9; Luke 20:36; Rom 8:14; Gal 4:6; etc..)
    But this is different than being created as a son of God. Angels were created as angels. Men were created as men, but become sons of God by faith ( Gal 3:26; )
    Luke 20:36; doesn't say we become angels, it says we are like angels in the sense that we also are sons of God.

    IN Heb 2:7; and Heb 2:9; we see that Jesus was made lower than the angels "for a little while".
    1 Cor 6:3; says the saints will judge the angels.
     
  19. Rev 12:4; is generally taken as the verse where Satan takes 1/3rd of the angels with him when he rebels.
    It's unknown exactly how many angels rebelled with Satan, but we know from Jude 1:6 and 1:7 it wasn't Satan alone.

    John 8:44; is sometimes taken to mean Satan was evil from "the beginning". The beginning of what?
    For God/Jesus there was no beginning, they always existed. They are the beginning and the end. Everything else was created by them, even the angels.
    We don't know when, perhaps before the earth existed. Perhaps not.
    In Luke 10:18; Jesus said he saw Satan saw from heaven, so apparently Satan was a "good" angel at some point.
    If you believe that Ezekiel 28 is an allegory between Satan and the King of Tyre.
    Ezek 28:13; says this being was in the garden of Eden.
    Ezek 28:14; says this being is an angel (cherub).
    Ezek 28:15; says he was blameless (since the time he was created) until unrighteousness was found in him. We see this is a created being, like all angels.
    In verse 16 he is called a cherub again.

    We know that Satan was in the garden as a serpent (Gen 3:1-5;)

    I personally don't believe God creates anything inherently evil, however He gives us all the choice and ability to become evil if we choose to.
    Having said that, some "evil" things apparently come from God.

    Isa 45:7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (KJV)

    Even evil spirits are sometimes sent forth from God.

    Judges 9:23; 1 Sam 16:14-16; 1 Sam 19:9, etc..
     
  20. I have heard this theory before. Some claim the unclean spirits are the ghosts of deceased Nephillim.I can not say for certain, but I do not believe this is the case.

    Do you remember when Jesus called Peter "Satan?" Is it your claim he meant this allegorically?

    Satan has children, as Scripture shows. This is Spiritual. The father of all lies can speak through people when he convinces them to believe a lie.

    What is the definition of "unclean?" What is the definition of "beauty?" If it is spiritual, evil angels are unclean and ugly and filthy.

    When dealing with them, keep Jude 1:9 in mind. "Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties. But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.…"

    I do not think that we can really cast out demons in our time. In this age, those marked by the Seal of the Lamb will not be tormented by them. Those who are not will. This rule seems to have no exceptions from what I observe. Even the elect will be tested, but those who are not yet marked by the Seal have them dwelling within them.

    When the Gospel was still spreading through the world, it seemed that demons were cast out as a sign of the power of those appointed to spread the Gospel. But now, it seems that a demon will only be removed when a person receives the Seal of God. That is just what I have observed, though, and I could potentially be wrong. However, there is some Scripture that indicates this may be the case but I do not want to assume too much and take it out of contextual meaning.

    In conclusion, I do believe this theory is incorrect.
     

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