The Dangerous Lie That You Don’t Need to Repent

[Garee]

I think the verse rather speaks for itself and needs no elaboration from me.

Unlike Modern English, though, in modern French (as with Koine Greek) one cannot say they know something without being able to do that something. One does not know Chemistry unless one can do Chemistry. It literally isn't in the language. Americans tend to say they know something even when they cannot do that thing. In essence, Americans know about things without being able to do them.

In Koine Greek, belief MEANS doing. It's locked into the language. One cannot say they believe without the doing of that which they believe. The American (or English language) mindset separates the two, and hence cannot understand the implications of "John" 6:29 as it was initially written.

In the use of Koine Greek the word Aggelos meaning sent messenger or apostle. Like in how beautiful are the feet of born again Abel shod with the Gospel of Christ's peace. The first martyr .

In the tenth century the faithless (no faith or power of Christ's labor of love) created a false word "angel". Sounds he same as the Greek but violates the loving commandment in Deuteronomy 4:2 not to change the meaning of one word it can change all the commandments as in spiritual plagiarism.

Deuteronomy4: 2Ye shall not add unto the word(singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Making sola scriptura to no effect It was needed to continue to deceive the non-converted mankind . .They not having any faith as the power of God that comes from understanding God (sola scriptura) They worship a legion of workers with familiar spirit gods male and female deities, A legion of gods in the likeness of dying mankind) today some call patron saints

1 Samuel 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

Koine Greek not properly divided or interpreted is a loose cannon or a source of Roman and Greek mythology.

The pagan reincarnation (re-enter the flesh) foundation of "out of sight out of mind". Or if a person do not see God there is none. God calls fools

 

[Kermos]

You are one of the saddest people I have ever met. Some kind of professional victim. Everything triggers you.
I've tried to address the topics at hand, but you seem to have some need to turn things personal. Even with Bill.

YOU claimed competence in Greek, and when shown to be a poser, what, oh right, claim the victim status.
If you're embarrassed about your level of education, then fix it. Improve your critical thinking skills. You'll find it to be greatly beneficial.


No it wasn't. The amount of self-deluded people I run into here is sad.
I know when the Holy Spirit speaks. You're just posting your own thoughts (aka vain imaginings).

Forum rules require that this type of conflict be moved into PM.
Follow the rules, or don't. I will from this point.

Rhema

Dear Rhema,

My very first and only interaction with @Bill on TalkJesus.com is recorded in post #91 - the very post you base your erroneous "professional victim" to me. He initiated the exchange, and I responded with an honest inquiry. Your outburst of anger is not good.

A person exhibits works of the flesh leading to damnation (Galatians 5:19-21), or a person has fruit of the Holy Spirit leading to everlasting joy in Christ (Galatians 5:22-23).

Now, l return this correspondence to the Word of God which I love!

You wrote "No it doesn't. Not if it's in the Subjunctive Mood" (proof post #87) about the Greek verb "πιστεύητε" (Strong's 4100 Verb - Present Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural) accurate translation into the English verb "believe" in this wonderful Word of God “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

You confusedly omit the present tense which arrives at the word "believe", but God is not a god of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Furthermore, in reference to the subjunctive mood, you fail to understand the Word of God "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26) in relation with this Word of God “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

I thank the Holy Spirit for guiding my hand for God alone is good!

Love,
Kermos

 

[joestue]

You know the who, the question should be the why and how.

Why = Free will.

God is good Psalm 136:1 and free will is a good thing. No free will is evil. God is not evil.

How = High intelligence and weak flesh.

Heb 2:7 - Thou hast made him a little lower than the angels.
Matt 26:41 - The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

its pretty clear you do not follow the same God that now commands everyone everywhere to repent (according to Peter, at pentacost)

God did not design a system to cause people to sin every day.

 

[Bill]

its pretty clear you do not follow the same God that now commands everyone everywhere to repent (according to Peter, at pentacost)

God did not design a system to cause people to sin every day.

Why would you say that? It's a ridiculous statement. Just because you might not think like I do does not mean that you do not follow the same God that I do.

I wish people would get off their high horse and think that they have the only way to think about God

Let us use logic for a minute. The Jewish people see God a certain way. Do they believe in God like we do? Absolutely not. They don't comprehend Jesus. Does that mean that because they don't comprehend Jesus that God has nothing to do with them? Of course not how ridiculous is that. We know by Logic not only scripture that God loves his children. They are the apple of God's eye. So what difference is it that the Jews don't understand Jesus yet Jesus was there from the beginning for the Jews or don't you believe that either?

 

[joestue]

Why would you say that? It's a ridiculous statement. Just because you might not think like I do does not mean that you do not follow the same God that I do.

I wish people would get off their high horse and think that they have the only way to think about God

Let us use logic for a minute. The Jewish people see God a certain way. Do they believe in God like we do? Absolutely not. They don't comprehend Jesus. Does that mean that because they don't comprehend Jesus that God has nothing to do with them? Of course not how ridiculous is that. We know by Logic not only scripture that God loves his children. They are the apple of God's eye. So what difference is it that the Jews don't understand Jesus yet Jesus was there from the beginning for the Jews or don't you believe that either?

I dont know why you are replying to that comment.

God did not cause anyone to sin nor did the thought enter his mind, to design a system by which men sin every day.

 

[KingJ]

its pretty clear you do not follow the same God that now commands everyone everywhere to repent (according to Peter, at pentacost)
This is why it is important to scale sin. Mortal and venial sins.

You don't need to repent if you don't sin.

Paul was a Christian. He went to heaven. Met Jesus. Met angels. Came back.

When he came back, he stopped having Christians arrested and put to death. (Mortal sin). But yet he continued battling with venial sins. He says this in Rom 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. Jesus uses an example of sin in Matt 5:28 that is clear evidence of our weakness. Immoral thoughts. I would like to see the man that can look at a woman and not have them. This is why it is important to scale sin. Mortal and venial sins. Mortal sins show you clearly do not hate what is evil.

Let me be clear. God does not make us sin. But He did give us a weak flesh that can so easily sin and He also put the devil with us. That is really obvious.

I am surprised you disagree. You correctly argued previously that we have free will even in heaven. I partially believe we may even sin in heaven as sin is best defined as doing anything against the will of God. This is the best definition as God is 100% good and righteous. 1 Cor 6:3 mentions us needing to one day judge angels.

What you need to understand is that ''''sin'''' is not the issue. Loving or hating it is.

 

[Garee]

Why would you say that? It's a ridiculous statement. Just because you might not think like I do does not mean that you do not follow the same God that I do.

I wish people would get off their high horse and think that they have the only way to think about God

Let us use logic for a minute. The Jewish people see God a certain way. Do they believe in God like we do? Absolutely not. They don't comprehend Jesus. Does that mean that because they don't comprehend Jesus that God has nothing to do with them? Of course not how ridiculous is that. We know by Logic not only scripture that God loves his children. They are the apple of God's eye. So what difference is it that the Jews don't understand Jesus yet Jesus was there from the beginning for the Jews or don't you believe that either?

What kind of logic must be determined. Two sides to a coin one hid

Logic is reasoning according to strict principles of validity:

In that way without parables the interpretation principal Christ spoke not, hiding the validity (unseen) spiritual understanding from Satan. Who has no idea who Christ is. or the son of man who became the born again Son of God Jesus.

Satan the guesser. If? if, if you are the Son of man? (no idea)

The spirit of error is not subject to salvation. He would make an outward Jew according to the dying flesh the same as one born again inward Jew .Same with the word Israel not all Israel are born again Christian's

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a (born again) Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the (dying) flesh:;But he is a (born again)Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the(death) letter; whose praise is not of (dying) men, but of God.

Romans 9:6 Not as though the (living) word of God hath taken none effect. For they (dying flesh) are not all (born again) Israel, which are of Israel:

 

[Kermos]

In the use of Koine Greek the word Aggelos meaning sent messenger or apostle. Like in how beautiful are the feet of born again Abel shod with the Gospel of Christ's peace. The first martyr .

In the tenth century the faithless (no faith or power of Christ's labor of love) created a false word "angel". Sounds he same as the Greek but violates the loving commandment in Deuteronomy 4:2 not to change the meaning of one word it can change all the commandments as in spiritual plagiarism.

Deuteronomy4: 2Ye shall not add unto the word(singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Making sola scriptura to no effect It was needed to continue to deceive the non-converted mankind . .They not having any faith as the power of God that comes from understanding God (sola scriptura) They worship a legion of workers with familiar spirit gods male and female deities, A legion of gods in the likeness of dying mankind) today some call patron saints

1 Samuel 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

Koine Greek not properly divided or interpreted is a loose cannon or a source of Roman and Greek mythology.

The pagan reincarnation (re-enter the flesh) foundation of "out of sight out of mind". Or if a person do not see God there is none. God calls fools

Dear Garee,

That is a very important message!

The use of "angel" instead of "messenger" exposes a serious issue - similar to "apostle" instead of "sent one".

I praise God for the way you conveyed the message.

I failed to locate a specific century as to the change, but Angel - Etymology, Origin & Meaning provides some insight.

Not to dilute that which you wrote, but this statement is profound:

​

Koine Greek not properly divided or interpreted is a loose cannon or a source of Roman and Greek mythology.​

​

And, it would be good for @Rhema to read your post for understanding.

Love,
Kermos

 

[joestue]

He says this in Rom 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

He is speaking of before he was allegedly born again

 

[KingJ]

He is speaking of before he was allegedly born again

Allegedly?

And no, its not. If you read the passage, even verses before and after, it is very clear that he is speaking to a problem that he has with him in the moment. This all after he stopped killing Christians. He became a Christian when he met Jesus.

You grabbing for a straw and I am not sure why. Do you believe you don't have sin?

 

[joestue]

Allegedly?

And no, its not. If you read the passage, even verses before and after, it is very clear that he is speaking to a problem that he has with him in the moment. This all after he stopped killing Christians. He became a Christian when he met Jesus.

You grabbing for a straw and I am not sure why. Do you believe you don't have sin?

everyone has sinned. and should hate it, and everyone understands why they choose to sin.

schizophrenic's have this problem where their minds are divided, and the part that is born again, or desires not to sin, cannot understand a different part of their mind that loves to sin.

paul was on this spectrum, and has an out of body experience when God meets him on the road to Damascus and he suddenly wakes up and realizes killing people is not in accordance with the law of moses.. which he somehow continues insisting he is blameless under.

but then later he admits to provoking christians to blaspheming God while he is killing them, and considers him the least of the apostles.

but yes i do believe most of romans 7 concerns paul talking about himself before he was born again. 8 and 9 are during, and after.

 

[joestue]

let me put it more bluntly:

you have to be mentally ill, to claim that you were blameless under the law Jesus fulfilled while admitting to persecuting the followers of Jesus.

 

[Rhema]

It is as if you imposed an imaginary paragraph into that which God caused me to compose which looks like:

It is as if you are imagining that I imposed an imaginary paragraph. I am given to wonder how well you did in 10th grade English. Seriously. You can hurl all the insults you want at me about my education, but God didn't cause you to write anything to me. That's one of the ways to identify a false prophet - such claims.

Rhema, please respond to post #87 while keeping post #93 in mind.

No. I don't play head games. That's another way to identify a false prophet - head games.

God had me write to you previously, "You have a terrible difficult time of understanding that which you read"

No God didn't. I happen to have rather great communication skills, as testified to by innumerable people with whom I've conversed and innumerable essays I have written (with high grades) in classes over a decade or more. If there's any difficulty in communication here, it doesn't lie with me, and God knows it.

God did not give Paul "the critical thinking skills necessary to understand what was being taught"

So then Paul was stupid? Maybe so, since he would have obviously understood that the Law of God prohibits murder. The LOSS to which Paul admitted wasn't the teachings he learned, but that his personal will was unable to achieve the righteousness as required by God - his learning didn't prohibit him from turning into a murderer.

Far be your implications from me!

You haven't shown much proof otherwise. On the contrary, you've shown poor skills in both English and Koine, yet double down to claim a proficiency that can't be seen in your posts. (It's just an observation.)

A person who is a Christian takes not offense to this statement:

(Normal people just don't write this way.)

God caused me to tell you once already that "False witness is a sin, Rhema"

And what happens when you find out that I was both born in Pennsylvania and currently reside in Pennsylvania? Both are true. So yes, you called me a liar. What's WORSE is that you claimed God told you this. Why is your God lying to you?

So, I'll just add one more piece of proof that you are indeed a false prophet. (Or have some mental problems, or are maybe even possessed. I haven't decided yet.)

Your profile indicates you are "from Pennsylvania", so, by extension, that makes you American - the very people you admonish. Your profile fails to indicate "visiting Pennsylvania".

Americans admonish Americans all the time. What planet are you from? Seriously, what is wrong with you? Is there something specific I can pray for?

Notice that Christ causes me to write "we Christians" in relation to the Word of God,

No he doesn't. Christ wouldn't make mistakes. Now in relation to "the Word of God" which one? (Like I said, Christ wouldn't have made the mistakes you have. One more box checked off for the designation of False Prophet.)

According to Holy Spirit inspired Paul, he counted his "schooling" with Gamaliel, a non-christian, as loss (Philippians 3:8-9).

According to "the Holy Spirit inspired Paul," Paul remained a Pharisee. I've already proven this above. Or do you think Paul was lying?

Your outburst of anger is not good.

Your assumption that it was anger is not good.

Now, l return this correspondence to the Word of God which I love!

In truth, you don't know what the Word of God is. So I ask, which Word of God? There are two, but I doubt that you know this. And I doubt that you have any inclination whatsoever to learn.

You confusedly omit the present tense which arrives at the word "believe",

Far be it from me to argue with an ignorant person, but all your post does is prove your lack of understanding about the subjunctive mood.

Koine Greek: Verbs - Subjunctive - WikiChristian

www.wikichristian.org

... or read any primer to Koine Greek grammar you wish.

At this point, I suspect you exhibit the Dunning Kruger Effect.

I thank the Holy Spirit for guiding my hand for God alone is good!

To be honest, He hasn't been doing a good job of it if your posts are any indication.

Perhaps I should ask directly. When you write "Word of God" do you mean the Bible or not?

And, it would be good for @Rhema to read your post for understanding.

@Garee is not saying what you think he is saying. Time will tell as you suffer through the barrage of his word salad posts to finally realize that you truly don't understand the theology of Garee. Good luck with that, and I mean that most sincerely.

And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.​

(Genesis 28:12 KJV)

And these would be what? Flying yellow post it notes? The Greek word G32 ἄγγελος aggelos (angel) was used to translate the Hebrew word H4397 מַלְאָךְ mal'âk 300 years before Christ.

Please feel free to do your own homework,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

@Garee is not saying what you think he is saying. Time will tell as you suffer through the barrage of his word salad posts to finally realize that you truly don't understand the theology of Garee. Good luck with that, and I mean that most sincerely.

The key is in the Rhema (sola scriptura) Not the fake gospel of Thomas or Enoch

It's not that hard to understand. If you properly divide the parables which without Christ spoke not even once.

Therefore hiding the spiritual eternal understanding from Satan who has no spiritual understanding that alone is found as figure of speech "parables ".

The Greek word Aggelos is simply sent messenger or apostle. Not puffed-up ones called today patron saints.

1 Corinthians 4:6-7And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.;For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Who was the first recorded apostles sent with the gospel as the first martyr ??And why a second born passed down until the birth of Jesus the Son of man? It is the beginning of the foundation of Christ. . . . . must be born twice.

You must be born again is not a New Testament principle

 

[Garee]

Dear Garee,

That is a very important message!

The use of "angel" instead of "messenger" exposes a serious issue - similar to "apostle" instead of "sent one".

I praise God for the way you conveyed the message.

I failed to locate a specific century as to the change, but Angel - Etymology, Origin & Meaning provides some insight.

Not to dilute that which you wrote, but this statement is profound:

​

Koine Greek not properly divided or interpreted is a loose cannon or a source of Roman and Greek mythology.​

​

And, it would be good for @Rhema to read your post for understanding.

Love,
Kermos

Hi Thanks

One thing I have noticed is the use of foreign words, not translated left as "obscure". Ending up as Kamala Harris "things unburdened by the past" word salad .

No biblical sense

Apostle; sent messenger (UPS, FED X, Uber, Amazon and myself my wives favorite apostle sent on a mission to the supermarket e.t.c. (LOL)

Sabbath : eternal rest (ZZZzzzz) not time sensitive.

Baptism : wash Husband wash you wife's with the water of the word just as Christ washes us His bride .the pouring out of his Holy spirit life on dying mankind

Both words "sent messengers" and "rest" were changed violating the living commandment not to add new meaning to one word, (Deuteronomy 4:2)

It can change the authority from God our Holy Father to men on earth called fathers .

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

The you must be born again loving law began in the garden. With the first apostle Abel the martyr .

Christ at the beginning of the ministry of the dynamic dual . The Holy Father gave words to his prophet Jesus the Son of man. Three times with three denoting the end of a matter in parables .as it is written as it is written and again as it is written.(sola scriptura) strike three.. never saw it coming

In that way Christ our invisible God hides the unseen gospel understanding from Satan .He has no idea who the son of man is

Of all possibilities he chose Peter the serial denier as an antichrist false apostle forbidding Jesus the Son of man from doing the will of the Holy Father.

 

[Kermos]

It is as if you are imagining that I imposed an imaginary paragraph. I am given to wonder how well you did in 10th grade English. Seriously. You can hurl all the insults you want at me about my education, but God didn't cause you to write anything to me. That's one of the ways to identify a false prophet - such claims.


No. I don't play head games. That's another way to identify a false prophet - head games.


No God didn't. I happen to have rather great communication skills, as testified to by innumerable people with whom I've conversed and innumerable essays I have written (with high grades) in classes over a decade or more. If there's any difficulty in communication here, it doesn't lie with me, and God knows it.


So then Paul was stupid? Maybe so, since he would have obviously understood that the Law of God prohibits murder. The LOSS to which Paul admitted wasn't the teachings he learned, but that his personal will was unable to achieve the righteousness as required by God - his learning didn't prohibit him from turning into a murderer.


You haven't shown much proof otherwise. On the contrary, you've shown poor skills in both English and Koine, yet double down to claim a proficiency that can't be seen in your posts. (It's just an observation.)


(Normal people just don't write this way.)


And what happens when you find out that I was both born in Pennsylvania and currently reside in Pennsylvania? Both are true. So yes, you called me a liar. What's WORSE is that you claimed God told you this. Why is your God lying to you?

So, I'll just add one more piece of proof that you are indeed a false prophet. (Or have some mental problems, or are maybe even possessed. I haven't decided yet.)


Americans admonish Americans all the time. What planet are you from? Seriously, what is wrong with you? Is there something specific I can pray for?


No he doesn't. Christ wouldn't make mistakes. Now in relation to "the Word of God" which one? (Like I said, Christ wouldn't have made the mistakes you have. One more box checked off for the designation of False Prophet.)


According to "the Holy Spirit inspired Paul," Paul remained a Pharisee. I've already proven this above. Or do you think Paul was lying?


Your assumption that it was anger is not good.


In truth, you don't know what the Word of God is. So I ask, which Word of God? There are two, but I doubt that you know this. And I doubt that you have any inclination whatsoever to learn.


Far be it from me to argue with an ignorant person, but all your post does is prove your lack of understanding about the subjunctive mood.

Koine Greek: Verbs - Subjunctive - WikiChristian

www.wikichristian.org

... or read any primer to Koine Greek grammar you wish.

At this point, I suspect you exhibit the Dunning Kruger Effect.


To be honest, He hasn't been doing a good job of it if your posts are any indication.

Perhaps I should ask directly. When you write "Word of God" do you mean the Bible or not?


@Garee is not saying what you think he is saying. Time will tell as you suffer through the barrage of his word salad posts to finally realize that you truly don't understand the theology of Garee. Good luck with that, and I mean that most sincerely.

And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.​

(Genesis 28:12 KJV)

And these would be what? Flying yellow post it notes? The Greek word G32 ἄγγελος aggelos (angel) was used to translate the Hebrew word H4397 מַלְאָךְ mal'âk 300 years before Christ.

Please feel free to do your own homework,
Rhema

Dear Rhema,

You resort to insulting me since your education fails you to provide an intelligent response. You confusedly avoid the present tense for the Greek verb "πιστεύητε" (Strong's 4100 Verb - Present Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural) which accurately translates into the English verb "believe" in this wonderful Word of God “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29). Since you wrote "No it doesn't. Not if it's in the Subjunctive Mood" (proof post #87), then you confusedly omit the present tense which arrives at the word "believe", but God is not a god of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

The Holy Spirit caused me to write "Rhema, please respond to post #87 while keeping post #93 in mind", but you confusedly label that "head games" - more proof of your failed education. Nothing you wrote demonstrates evil nor ain on my part in Truth (John 14:6).

Your demeanor is not conducive to friendly correspondence with your heart's "designation of False Prophet" toward me. Christ's love controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) which includes me.

Any Christian reading this exchange will know who serves who because God's Messenger (Strong's Hebrew: 4397. מַלְאָך (malak), Strong's Greek: 32. ἄγγελος (aggelos)) John admonishes:

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Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.​

(1 John 4:1)​

​

Love to all in Christ,
Kermos

 

[Rhema]

Dear Rhema,

You resort to insulting me since your education fails you to provide an intelligent response.

You didn't read the link explaining the subjunctive mood of the present tense did you.
(Of course not, it's likely you don't even understand it, but still must protect your ego.)

I run into a lot of people like you who cannot admit that they MIGHT be wrong (subjunctive mood present tense), even when shown academic proof. You've never taken any substantive courses in language, whether English or Greek, have you? But your own pride won't allow you to admit this, even to yourself, since the core of your ego has convinced you that you're always right; even enough to claim that you are a prophet from God through whom God sends messages to others. This is not an insult. It's an observation. You claiming that I've insulted you is just the victim status you embrace. And you know you're no angel.

You confusedly avoid the present tense for the Greek verb "πιστεύητε" (Strong's 4100 Verb - Present Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural) which accurately translates into the English verb "believe"

The mood alters the presentation of the tense, dude. Look, do you even have the ability to answer honestly? Did you even graduate from High School? (I'm actually asking you.) It's okay if you didn't, but your claims to any insight just make you look ridiculous.

The Holy Spirit caused me to write...

No he didn't. Your own delusions did.

Nothing you wrote demonstrates evil nor ain on my part in Truth

Check your spelling and try again. What you wrote makes no sense.

Your demeanor is not conducive to friendly correspondence

Neither is yours; you suffer from Dunning Kruger (again, an observation) which makes it nearly impossible to have any correspondence with you at all, let alone a friendly one. Again, it's a pathology that doesn't allow you even the remotest possibility to think that you might be wrong, and when shown, your condition demands that you become combative and play the victim.

I've asked your level of education, but you'll never give an honest answer, because that would destroy your ego.

Christ's love controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) which includes me.

You think you're showing love? It's just one more delusion that you'll never get fixed. Even God wonders where you came up with the word "controls" for G4912 συνέχω sunechō

Marshall's gloss, as well as the NKJV, is "compel" (that's not control). KJV thinks G4912 means "constraineth." And since you somehow think Strong's is a viable authority, where is the word "controls" in his entry? (It isn't.)

For the love of Christ urges us on, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died.​

(2 Corinthians 5:14 NRSV)

But I see the problem. Someone somewhere convinced you to use the ESV (LINK).

What you don't seem to understand is that a BAD translation cannot help but lead to BAD theology.

I'd take the time to translate the verse for you, but it would be a waste of my time. But HEY, since you claim to read Greek, it's your turn. Go ahead:

η γαρ αγαπη του χριστου συνεχει ημας κριναντας τουτο οτι ει εις υπερ παντων απεθανεν αρα οι παντες απεθανον

η γαρ αγαπη του χριστου συνεχει ημας κριναντας τουτο οτι εις υπερ παντων απεθανεν αρα οι παντες απεθανον

(Chose your Greek version carefully, though. And please indicate which lexicon you used.)

Or you could do yourself and all of us a great favor and just admit you're a poser. Confession cleanseth the soul.

Rhema

Any Christian reading this exchange will know who serves who

Indeed they would. The Christian first seeks Truth.

 

[Garee]

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Dear Rhema,

You resort to insulting me since your education fails you to provide an intelligent response. You confusedly avoid the present tense for the Greek verb "πιστεύητε" (Strong's 4100 Verb - Present Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural) which accurately translates into the English verb "believe" in this wonderful Word of God “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29). Since you wrote "No it doesn't. Not if it's in the Subjunctive Mood" (proof post #87), then you confusedly omit the present tense which arrives at the word "believe", but God is not a god of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

The Holy Spirit caused me to write "Rhema, please respond to post #87 while keeping post #93 in mind", but you confusedly label that "head games" - more proof of your failed education. Nothing you wrote demonstrates evil nor ain on my part in Truth (John 14:6).

Your demeanor is not conducive to friendly correspondence with your heart's "designation of False Prophet" toward me. Christ's love controls us Christians (2 Corinthians 5:14) which includes me.

Any Christian reading this exchange will know who serves who because God's Messenger (Strong's Hebrew: 4397. מַלְאָך (malak), Strong's Greek: 32. ἄγγελος (aggelos)) John admonishes:

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Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.​

(1 John 4:1)​

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Love to all in Christ,
Kermos

Amen

John 6:29;Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (the apostle Jesus) ;They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? (Christ in us not of dying mankind Jesus the Son of man )

It would seem because Rhema must follow after Greek mythology he must pretend that God cannot work (let there be) to both give dying mankind the ears to hear his understanding (sola scriptura ) and therefore empower the let there be work good work.

They that follow another gospel other than sola scriptura simply say God does not need faith as power, destroying the very law of "let there be" power (faith)

Roman 3:1-3 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God (sola scriptura) without effect?;For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Some simply say God does not do all the "let there be". . . "good work" again destroying the law of faith. . . . works .


I would ask Rhema. Does God work?

 

[KingJ]

He is speaking of before he was allegedly born again

No he was not. He hated nothing about handing Christians over to be killed. He gladly took the job. In fact he was offered it as a result of his zealousness.

You only start hating sin when you decide to repent and follow Jesus.

 

[Garee]

No he was not. He hated nothing about handing Christians over to be killed. He gladly took the job. In fact he was offered it as a result of his zealousness.

You only start hating sin when you decide to repent and follow Jesus.

Can a person decide without first and foremost being born again from within?