The Banned Prophet: Examining Why the Book of Enoch Was Purged from the Canon

[Christ4Ever]

You mentioned that Jesus didn’t quote it. Fair. But remember: neither did He quote Joshua, Ezra, Nehemiah, Ruth, or even Song of Solomon — and no one questions their inclusion in the Old Testament. Argument from silence cuts both ways.

To answer it properly I would have to read it myself. Yet just the areas that you covered earlier it would have you think that Jesus would have quoted it especially in the area of His 2nd coming as He did speak of this more than once. Now again I don't know what the Book of Enoch (BOE) says specifically concerning it, and I'm just going from what you have written in your initial post, but I'm sure for Jesus to quote it, it would have to be appropriate to the conversation He would have been having at the time, say Matt 24:27 I would think would have been a good place to mention what you said is found in BOE which talks of His 2nd coming with the Holy ones. Still, it wouldn't be speculation if He had!

As far not including the BOE in scripture when the other books that Jesus did not quote is valid on the face of it, but then you'd have to digest those books on the subjects He talked about, against what apparently the BOE has contained in its pages concerning the subjects He did talk about and those He did not talk of. If the BOE is as prophetic about Jesus and other subjects as is being said and was as widely used as some believe, then surely it would have been noteworthy to be referenced by Him. Why He did not no one can say, and would only be speculation, which there is enough of that going around here. lol

So while I won’t go so far as to declare it canonical, I will say this:
If Jude called it prophecy, and the early Church preserved it, and Jesus referenced its themes — maybe the real question is why modern Christians know so little about it.

And maybe — it’s because certain people didn’t want us reading it.

Well, I guess you saying you that you would not declare it as being canonical like say the Ethiopian Church does is enough for me to see what you are saying in a positive light.

As far as the motives of others I can't say. It would be speculations like, who was the angel who communicated the writing of the BOE to the grandson of Enoch actually might have been a Christophany or maybe Jesus had issues with the messenger who did! lol There are so many ways one can find themselves going down a rabbit hole and accomplish nothing but getting oneself quite dizzy.

Well, I guess I'll have to find time to read it myself to see. I would not be surprised if I come to some of the speculative conclusions you have too! Again, thanks for responding, sharing, and your patience.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Twistie]

It makes absolutely no sense — at least not on the surface.
So, like with many ancient coverups, working theories are the best we’ve got.
And here’s mine.

First, who was Enoch?

Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam (Jude 1:14).

Enoch was the great-grandson of Adam and Eve.

Enoch was also the great-grandfather of Noah (Genesis 5:18–29).

Enoch was born before the Flood and is the only pre-Flood prophet with an attributed book of prophecy.

Enoch is said to have actually “walked with God” for 300 years — from the age of 65 until "God took him". (Genesis 5:24).

Enoch is one of only two people in the Old Testament who were taken by God without dying (the other is Elijah).

The phrase “walked with God” is uniquely applied to Enoch, setting him apart from other patriarchs.

Enoch is directly quoted in the New Testament, in the Epistle of Jude (Jude 1:14–15).

The quote in Jude is a verbatim reference to 1 Enoch 1:9, confirming the Apostles’ familiarity with the text.

Jude refers to Enoch as a prophet.

The content of the quote in Jude is not found in Genesis or any Old Testament text except the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch contains a messianic prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ with His holy ones.

The Book of Enoch describes the judgment of the ungodly, consistent with New Testament eschatology.

Enoch is mentioned in Hebrews 11:5 as part of the “Hall of Faith.”

Enoch’s righteousness is affirmed in Hebrews 11 as pleasing to God.

The Book of Enoch was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls collection.

Multiple full and partial copies of Enoch were discovered among the Qumran scrolls.

The Book of Enoch was preserved and canonized in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the oldest Christian traditions.

The Ethiopian Church includes Enoch as part of the broader canon and has used it liturgically for centuries.

Early Church Fathers such as Tertullian referenced and endorsed Enoch.

Justin Martyr referenced the angelic fall narrative consistent with Enoch’s account.

Athenagoras, Irenaeus, and Origen referenced themes that are distinctly Enochian.

Enoch provides a full theological framework for Genesis 6:1–4, which the canonical Bible only briefly summarizes.

The Book of Enoch identifies the “Sons of God” in Genesis 6 as rebellious angels.

Enoch names the chief fallen angels, including Semjaza and Azazel.

Enoch explains the origin of the Nephilim.

Enoch links demonic spirits to the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, explaining their origin and hostility.

Enoch gives detailed descriptions of angelic transgressions and the divine punishment that followed.

The Book of Enoch records how angels corrupted humanity with forbidden knowledge.

Enoch identifies categories of forbidden knowledge: warfare, cosmetics, sorcery, astrology, etc.

These teachings connect directly with the New Testament theme of spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12).

Enoch's judgment prophecies are consistent with Old and New Testament apocalyptic texts.

The Book of Enoch contains an early vision of the Messiah, referred to as the “Son of Man.”

Enoch’s “Son of Man” figure is enthroned in heaven, judging kings and the wicked — consistent with Daniel 7 and Revelation.

Enoch is the earliest written source to describe the Son of Man pre-incarnate in a divine role.

Enoch describes a coming resurrection of the righteous.

Enoch describes a coming final judgment of fallen angels and unrepentant humans.

Enoch contains structured parables and visions, matching the prophetic genre of books like Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation.

The theological content of Enoch does not contradict canonical Scripture, but rather expands and clarifies it.

The Book of Enoch was known and used during the Second Temple period.

Enoch was likely known to Jesus and the Apostles, based on references and terminology.

Enoch was widely circulated in both Hebrew and Aramaic before and during the time of Christ.

The Book of Enoch was widely read by early Jewish sects, including the Essenes.

There is no known historical record of the Book of Enoch being formally condemned by the Apostles.

The exclusion of Enoch was based on late post-apostolic decisions, not direct divine rejection.

The Council of Nicaea never discussed or formally excluded the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch was not excluded due to heresy, but likely due to political and theological discomfort.

Enoch undermines post-Constantinian theology, including views on angels, hierarchy, and spiritual warfare.

Enoch is consistent with apocalyptic themes found in Revelation, 2 Peter, Jude, Zechariah, and Daniel.

The themes of divine judgment, fallen angels, spiritual corruption, and the return of the Son of Man are all biblically foundational.

The omission of Enoch leaves major theological gaps in the canon regarding pre-Flood history, demonology, and the role of angels.

The Book of Enoch fills in background theology that is assumed by later biblical texts.

Enoch’s account of the Watchers explains the urgency of the Flood far more clearly than Genesis alone.

Without Enoch, the reader must infer complex doctrines from fragmented verses.

Enoch aligns with New Testament emphasis on cosmic spiritual conflict.

Enoch was once accepted by the broader early Christian world and was only later marginalized.

The Book of Enoch is more theologically grounded than several later Apocryphal works that remained in Catholic Bibles (e.g., Tobit, Judith).

There is no evidence of widespread rejection of Enoch in the first three centuries of Christianity.

The rejection of Enoch coincided with Rome’s consolidation of theological control over canon formation.

Enoch provides a clear Messianic vision prior to the Law, tying Christ to pre-Abrahamic prophecy.


So the only answer one can be left with is this:

The Book of Enoch wasn’t excluded because it was false. It was excluded because it was too true — and too terrifying.

The content of Enoch is not mild theology. It isn’t concerned with civic morality or imperial order. It pulls the curtain back on a world of angelic rebellion, forbidden knowledge, corrupted bloodlines, judgment by fire, and an all-seeing Messiah enthroned before creation.

In other words:
Enoch reveals a supernatural war — and it names names.

The early Roman Church, under imperial influence, had every reason to avoid that.

At the time of canon finalization, the Christian faith was being absorbed into empire. Constantine’s goal was not purity of doctrine — it was unity of empire. And a book like Enoch, which reveals:

The origin of demonic spirits,
The crimes of heavenly beings,
The pre-Advent enthronement of the Son of Man,
And an unrelenting prophetic condemnation of world powers…

…was not useful to a system trying to create order, hierarchy, and long-term political control.

It scared people.
Not because it was fantasy — but because it wasn’t.
It described a spiritual reality so intense, so direct, and so unfiltered, that Rome saw it as destabilizing.

So they buried it.

It wasn’t doctrinal deviation that got Enoch shelved.
It was doctrinal danger —
danger to the religious gatekeepers, to the imperial narrative, and to the sanitized, post-apocalyptic version of Christianity Rome was creating.

The Book of Enoch didn’t fit the empire’s religion.

But it fit the apostles’ worldview perfectly.

And that’s why it had to go.

We know all things under God so I believe in Enoch it's written that this book was for a later tim not them exactly word but still.. I believe man hid it thinking that the children of YH wouldn't be able to grow ya know like if ya got a puzzle ya take a piece n it can't be finished but evil don't understand it can't take add or twist n Abbas children will still grow spiritually because it is He that feeds us..

Idk how I see

Hope all well!!

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[The Gospel of Christ]

Well, I guess you saying you that you would not declare it as being canonical like say the Ethiopian Church does is enough for me to see what you are saying in a positive light.

Yeah, but step back and look at the bigger picture.

We’re talking about Enoch — a man who walked with God for 300 years. Not metaphorically. Literally.
A man mentioned in the Bible multiple times.
A man so righteous that God took him — he never even died.
And Jude, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, quotes him directly — calling him a prophet and affirming his words as truth.

So let me ask you plainly:
Do you honestly think a man who walked with God, was taken up into Heaven, and was directly quoted by the Apostles — is a liar?
Of course not. That would be blasphemous.

Enoch didn’t invent these stories. He passed down what he saw.
He bore witness to the rebellion of the Watchers, the origin of the Nephilim, and the corruption of mankind — and preserved that witness for us.

So now we’re going to disregard it because it’s “not canonical”?
By that logic, we should throw out all of world history because it’s not in the Bible either.

That’s not discernment. That’s denial.

What Enoch recorded was not fantasy — it was testimony.
And the early Church didn’t reject it — they revered it.
It was only later, when power-hungry councils and politically driven theologians started sanitizing Scripture to fit their agendas, that the Book of Enoch was buried.

But truth doesn’t stop being true just because a council didn’t stamp it.

Enoch walked with God.
That’s all the authority I need.

To me, what Enoch said happened is a billion times more urgent and important than whether some church council stamped it as ‘canon’ or not.

This isn’t some fringe mystic rambling in a cave — this is a man who walked with God for centuries.
A man taken by God.
A man quoted by the Apostles as a prophet.

And his account?
It’s not folklore. It’s not symbolic poetry.
It’s a warning — a first-hand testimony of what happened when divine beings crossed a line, corrupted mankind, and unleashed judgment on the world.

 

[Twistie]

I don't understand many it's written seek yet organized religion teaches people not to seek not only teaches but like instills fear idk I Neva had that problem my uncle had me in jubilee at like the age of four or five n at My home I use to sneak to get out the family Bible n I'd be in Genesis all the time ...
All's one needs is a mustard seed of faith n allow the Lord to sprinkle upon them n not man..


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[Garee]

Ah yes — when in doubt, quote Hebrews 9:27 out of context and pretend it erases Genesis.

Let’s clarify a few things, since your theology appears to be on life support:

“And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.”
— Genesis 5:24

The text does not say Enoch died. It says God took him — in the same way Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire (2 Kings 2:11). That is not "Catholic mysticism". That’s the Word of God.

Your attempt to make “took” mean “buried” is laughable, especially when Hebrews 11:5 explicitly states:
“By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”

Translated. That he should not see death.
What part of that sounds metaphorical to you?

You’re trying to jam Enoch into a system that says everyone must die, yet scripture says Enoch did not. This isn’t Catholicism — this is Hebrews. And your argument just got split open by it.

The Bible in its entirety as it is written is called the letter of the law (death) Thou shall not, or you are deader than a door nail never to rise to ne born again spirit life.

The letter of the law the instrument of judgment "death". The appointment all make on time .. not re-incarnation, the re-entering corrupted dying flesh and blood. New bodies neither male not female Jew not gentile

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being "dead" wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.(death)

I would offer the context Hebrews 9 as a parable. The time of promised reformation had come when shadows used as metaphors became sight.

Hebrew 9:9-11;The Holy Ghost this signifying,(parable) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:;Which was a figure(parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Continuing in verse 14 using literal blood to represent the invisible power of the Holy Spirit Therefore his unseen Spirit can purge our dead conscience. Literal blood must be poured out so it can retun to dust

Hebrew 9:14-19How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?;And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.;For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Continuing verse 24

Hebrew 9:24-28 ;For Christ (our Holy Father)is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures (parable) of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;;For then must he (Holy Spirit ) often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:;(death)So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

It's the end of the world, Death the result of the daily suffering of hell in these bodies of death will be cast into the judgment fire. The death of death never to rise and condemn another creation.

Then the previous things (the Bible will ne remembered no more for ever more

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

It would be the goal of the father of lies to seduce others to believe God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings.

 

[Garee]

The text does not say Enoch died. It says God took him — in the same way Elijah was taken in a chariot of fire (2 Kings 2:11). That is not "Catholic mysticism". That’s the Word of God.

Hi Thanks for the reply

Yes, took him in the same way he takes all the sons of God born again believers (Christians)

Setting the standard outwardly by Jesus the son of man. The promised three day and night promised demonstration of the finished work of the lamb slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did work .

Using three days to denote the end of the matter in the parable. Three different kinds of demonstrations. The first the promise (Genesis 3:15 with Isaiah 53) two working as if one. beginning in the garden of Gethsemane the Father striking the Son bruising the heel crushing the head of the serpent.

Three times not as I will (no power) but as you will the will (with power) Three times he awoke the disciples for aid Three times the Holy Father put the other apostles asleep. Three-times suffering unto death Jesus awoke them and hope they would strengthen. Then they were awoken and moved to the second and third demonstration, the bloody hill and last the tomb. The demonstration of faith or power the (unseen things of Christ )

Three days with that parable to help understand what dead means. Four days with Lazarus which helps explain Enoch died. It says God took him ..when he was right in front of them flesh and blood returning to dust. Taking an unseen spirit is not the same as taking dying things

Jesus wept at their misunderstanding of the parable, he told them to remove the grave clothes and roll back the stone (Christian fellowship) .

Unlike the other parable, the father and Son team. The Holy Father removed the grave clothes and rolled back the stone. The dynamic dual

 

[Christ4Ever]

Well, I guess you saying you that you would not declare it as being canonical like say the Ethiopian Church does is enough for me to see what you are saying in a positive light.

Yeah, but step back and look at the bigger picture.

Are you going to start arguing against yourself?

What Enoch recorded was not fantasy — it was testimony.
And the early Church didn’t reject it — they revered it.
It was only later, when power-hungry councils and politically driven theologians started sanitizing Scripture to fit their agendas, that the Book of Enoch was buried.

But truth doesn’t stop being true just because a council didn’t stamp it.

Enoch walked with God.
That’s all the authority I need.

To me, what Enoch said happened is a billion times more urgent and important than whether some church council stamped it as ‘canon’ or not.

This isn’t some fringe mystic rambling in a cave — this is a man who walked with God for centuries.
A man taken by God.
A man quoted by the Apostles as a prophet.

And his account?
It’s not folklore. It’s not symbolic poetry.
It’s a warning — a first-hand testimony of what happened when divine beings crossed a line, corrupted mankind, and unleashed judgment on the world.

Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 NLT

Now there are instances where Angels/Messengers came to deliver a message i.e. Daniel, but the Scripture comes as they were moved from the Holy Spirit which includes the entirety of the book of Daniel which is also historical and provable. Was this the case from whom you believe to be Enoch through an Angel in the writing of the BOE? You say it was a testimony, but just because he existed and scripture confirms this, doesn't make it a testimony that is actually his and not trumped up to appear so to beguile or mislead. How many other writings out there profess to be from this scriptural person or that, and by scrutinizing it we can see that it is not so?

If me questioning you will bother you then don't answer, because like I said if/when I read it, I'll be looking at it in Spirit and in Truth prayerfully considering it against itself, and the rest of Scripture. Understand it will not be because you or someone else has told me so that it must be so.

As believers we should never be shy about having questions tossed our way. There is no shame in saying, "hummm I don't know, how about we look into it together". We are too prone to argue a position before we even know if the ground we are standing is firm or quicksand. I've sunk enough in the past to realize that all that does is make for wasted effort that if directed properly would have accomplished much more in a shorter amount of time. You know the old adage "measure twice, cut once". Well that might not be you, but it is me.

To me, what Enoch said happened is a billion times more urgent and important than whether some church council stamped it as ‘canon’ or not.

To you, and I can agree which is why I'm looking to have this discussion and willing to look into it. Like I've told you before, I've been where you were at where you could just explode from everything that is inside of you wanting to be let out that others may understand and be saved from the erroneous that was out there being spread/believed about what I knew not to be true. Just as you are doing here.

Just keep in mind that not everyone is running the race at the same speed as you are. I'm more of a long distant runner, which requires great patience. So, if you're a sprinter, then keep going and if you have time, come back to me, or I'll touch bases with you, to ask this or that. Just don't think I'm not listening, and don't be disappointed that "if" it happens and we come to different conclusions that it relegates each of us somehow to the "unsaved" category, which is how too many here on T.J. and elsewhere see things when they are in disagreement on certain things. When it comes to Jesus, I might say that could be the case, which is one of the few talks I actually would say a person is on the wrong path towards salvation.

It’s a warning — a first-hand testimony of what happened when divine beings crossed a line, corrupted mankind, and unleashed judgment on the world.

A warning if true, that is easily seen in how darkened the world is getting. Maybe, it might have come out differently if the BOE had been included in canon, or paid attention to, but it was not seen universally as being so, and though it might have helped it is sinful man and not obeying God that has us on the path towards judgement day, and for the believers of Jesus to glory upon glory, and non-believer...I do not believe it ends well, not being a Universalist. But talking about what could have been is not as helpful as doing the will of our Lord and Savior now. What would have happened if Adam & Eve had gone picking from another tree instead of listening to that serpent? Hummmm....see what I mean. We trust what happened and what happened thereafter, but contemplating alternatives, is in truth an exercise in futility except for don't believe anything you hear from serpents, and would only be good in selling more books, if that.

In ending: I did find this pdf online that I would ask what you think of as a place for looking at the BOE. Nothing in-depth, but a cursory look at his introduction pages 1-8 should be okay or should suffice. Thanks in advance.

Andy McCracken (August 2002)

https://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Brad Huber]

Are you going to start arguing against yourself?


Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 NLT

Now there are instances where Angels/Messengers came to deliver a message i.e. Daniel, but the Scripture comes as they were moved from the Holy Spirit which includes the entirety of the book of Daniel which is also historical and provable. Was this the case from whom you believe to be Enoch through an Angel in the writing of the BOE? You say it was a testimony, but just because he existed and scripture confirms this, doesn't make it a testimony that is actually his and not trumped up to appear so to beguile or mislead. How many other writings out there profess to be from this scriptural person or that, and by scrutinizing it we can see that it is not so?



With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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The Book of Enoch was considered as scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas (4:3) and by some of the early Church Fathers, such as Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian, who wrote c. 200 that the Jews had rejected the Book of Enoch because it purportedly contained prophecies about Jesus. Now I have never read the Epistle of Barnabas, I started once to read the gospel of Thomas and was quickly turned off by it, left a bad spiritual taste, pretty sure it was the Holy Spirit telling me it was false. I only read Enoch long ago and got just the opposite reaction spiritually, that much truth was written therein. Thats when I looked into it further. If you have and USE the Holy Spirit the way it was intended, you can do this with any writing of a spiritual nature. I do it all the time here at TJ. I can read what people print and get that good or bad spiritual movement telling me if its truth or false in some way.

 

[Deep Seeker]

Ah ! So who then has the answers to what took place when; and who really knew about It?
Is Today's Bible really a True rendering of what took place ? Or is The King James Version One, that was written to please King James?

OR, which rendering Today is really correct? Huuum !
I'd would ne interested to head some GOOD replies.
DeepSeeker

 

[Brad Huber]

Ah ! So who then has the answers to what took place when; and who really knew about It?
Is Today's Bible really a True rendering of what took place ? Or is The King James Version One, that was written to please King James?

OR, which rendering Today is really correct? Huuum !
I'd would ne interested to head some GOOD replies.
DeepSeeker

Its the reason why they had a council of people who were supposedly led by the Holy Spirit to have a list of what was considered canon. It was assumed that a majority would agree. Several things that can block the leading of the Holy Spirit among true believers is a vendeta... a predujice against something without truly credible evidence. Another is emotion, coupled with what people prefer to believe something true and that emotion is assumed to be the Holy Spirit. There is a chance even that the canon that was accepted was not led in part by the Holy Spirit, but I can sense the Holy Spirit loving the words found in scripture, so I am pretty sure that its all Holy and acceptable. I found parts of Enoch (the division into 5 books, like scripture is divided into books) to be kind of wonky though. I didnt get the bad Holy Spirit reaction, but I didnt like it, its sorta like I had a predujice against it. It was the part about celestial stuff (suns and stars and planet stuff).

 

[Gothedral]

Anyway, I was looking for a copy of the Book of Enoch that I could read in English, and I found this link which contains a bunch of other, I'll use quotation marks, "Christian" books. Because "personal interpretation" or something...

The Apocrypha Index | Sacred Texts Archive

Christian texts including church fathers, mystical Christianity, saints' lives, and theological works. Browse 141+ texts in this comprehensive collection.

www.sacred-texts.com

While you all argue, I am going to read these. May the Holy Spirit of Truth guide me.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The Book of Enoch was considered as scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas (4:3) and by some of the early Church Fathers, such as Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian, who wrote c. 200 that the Jews had rejected the Book of Enoch because it purportedly contained prophecies about Jesus. Now I have never read the Epistle of Barnabas, I started once to read the gospel of Thomas and was quickly turned off by it, left a bad spiritual taste, pretty sure it was the Holy Spirit telling me it was false. I only read Enoch long ago and got just the opposite reaction spiritually, that much truth was written therein. Thats when I looked into it further. If you have and USE the Holy Spirit the way it was intended, you can do this with any writing of a spiritual nature. I do it all the time here at TJ. I can read what people print and get that good or bad spiritual movement telling me if its truth or false in some way.

It goes both ways from the little I've seen. We always seem to have the pros/cons from the Church Fathers. If you find one for this, you'll be able to find one for that. lol Maybe if the epistle of Barnabas had been included in all canon, Enoch might have gained greater acceptance as well. (shrug)

I agree with you on the Holy Spirit. I don't where I'd be without Him! People don't realize how helpful He is with discernment which I believe is what you were talking about.

Thanks for sharing you thoughts brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[The Gospel of Christ]

Are you going to start arguing against yourself?


Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet's own understanding, 21 or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. 2 Peter 1:20-21 NLT

Now there are instances where Angels/Messengers came to deliver a message i.e. Daniel, but the Scripture comes as they were moved from the Holy Spirit which includes the entirety of the book of Daniel which is also historical and provable. Was this the case from whom you believe to be Enoch through an Angel in the writing of the BOE? You say it was a testimony, but just because he existed and scripture confirms this, doesn't make it a testimony that is actually his and not trumped up to appear so to beguile or mislead. How many other writings out there profess to be from this scriptural person or that, and by scrutinizing it we can see that it is not so?

If me questioning you will bother you then don't answer, because like I said if/when I read it, I'll be looking at it in Spirit and in Truth prayerfully considering it against itself, and the rest of Scripture. Understand it will not be because you or someone else has told me so that it must be so.

As believers we should never be shy about having questions tossed our way. There is no shame in saying, "hummm I don't know, how about we look into it together". We are too prone to argue a position before we even know if the ground we are standing is firm or quicksand. I've sunk enough in the past to realize that all that does is make for wasted effort that if directed properly would have accomplished much more in a shorter amount of time. You know the old adage "measure twice, cut once". Well that might not be you, but it is me.


To you, and I can agree which is why I'm looking to have this discussion and willing to look into it. Like I've told you before, I've been where you were at where you could just explode from everything that is inside of you wanting to be let out that others may understand and be saved from the erroneous that was out there being spread/believed about what I knew not to be true. Just as you are doing here.

Just keep in mind that not everyone is running the race at the same speed as you are. I'm more of a long distant runner, which requires great patience. So, if you're a sprinter, then keep going and if you have time, come back to me, or I'll touch bases with you, to ask this or that. Just don't think I'm not listening, and don't be disappointed that "if" it happens and we come to different conclusions that it relegates each of us somehow to the "unsaved" category, which is how too many here on T.J. and elsewhere see things when they are in disagreement on certain things. When it comes to Jesus, I might say that could be the case, which is one of the few talks I actually would say a person is on the wrong path towards salvation.


A warning if true, that is easily seen in how darkened the world is getting. Maybe, it might have come out differently if the BOE had been included in canon, or paid attention to, but it was not seen universally as being so, and though it might have helped it is sinful man and not obeying God that has us on the path towards judgement day, and for the believers of Jesus to glory upon glory, and non-believer...I do not believe it ends well, not being a Universalist. But talking about what could have been is not as helpful as doing the will of our Lord and Savior now. What would have happened if Adam & Eve had gone picking from another tree instead of listening to that serpent? Hummmm....see what I mean. We trust what happened and what happened thereafter, but contemplating alternatives, is in truth an exercise in futility except for don't believe anything you hear from serpents, and would only be good in selling more books, if that.

In ending: I did find this pdf online that I would ask what you think of as a place for looking at the BOE. Nothing in-depth, but a cursory look at his introduction pages 1-8 should be okay or should suffice. Thanks in advance.

Andy McCracken (August 2002)

https://scriptural-truth.com/images/BookOfEnoch.pdf

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

1. “Was it truly Enoch's testimony?”

This is a central and valid question. The answer depends on what we mean by authorship and authority.

The Book of Enoch (1 Enoch) is clearly pseudepigraphal in that it was compiled much later than the time of the actual Enoch who walked with God. But that doesn't mean the content isn't rooted in genuine oral tradition or a preserved prophetic vision passed down from the antediluvian age.

“Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied...” — Jude 1:14

The Holy Spirit, through Jude, confirms at least a portion of the Book of Enoch as authentic prophecy. That's not something to gloss over. It doesn’t prove the entire text is infallible — but it lends credibility that something in it came directly from God.

Think of it like this: not all of Paul’s letters are in the Bible either. Not every prophet's word was canonized. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t genuine. Canonicity is not always equivalent to truth. It's equivalent to what the early Church deemed necessary for teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16).

2. “But doesn’t Scripture come by the Holy Spirit, not angels?”

Absolutely. But here's what many forget:

The Book of Revelation was delivered by… an angel (Rev 1:1).

Daniel’s visions? Delivered by Gabriel.

Zechariah? Multiple angelic messengers explaining visions.

So when Enoch receives divine messages from angels — it’s not an anomaly. It’s a pattern seen in prophetic literature.
The content of those angelic revelations must still be judged, of course — but to dismiss a writing simply because it came “from angels” is inconsistent with the rest of Scripture.

3. “Isn't it dangerous to give too much weight to non-canon texts?”

Yes, if one is careless.
No, if one is anchored in Christ and the Scriptures, like the Bereans who tested Paul himself (Acts 17:11). Scripture is the measuring rod — and if Enoch contradicts it, throw it out.

But what if Enoch actually illuminates things Scripture mentions but doesn’t explain?

Like:

Who the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were
Why God flooded the earth so soon after Adam
What Peter and Jude meant by angels being “chained in darkness” (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 1:6)
Where the origin of sorcery, warfare, and genetic corruption came from
Why so many ancient mythologies speak of sky-gods, hybrids, and forbidden knowledge

When the Book of Enoch is held next to these mysteries — it fits like a missing puzzle piece.

And that’s the key: We don’t use it as the foundation. We use it as a lens to sharpen what we already see in Scripture.


4. “But wasn’t it rejected by Church councils?”

Some councils ignored it. Some accepted it.
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church still includes it in their Bible to this day. The early Church Fathers quoted it often — Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement, Origen, and Tertullian all reference it or allude to its contents.

So we’re not talking about some fringe Gnostic fantasy book. We’re talking about a text that was:

Revered by Jews in the Second Temple period
Preserved by Christians for centuries
Quoted in the New Testament

The book wasn’t “too weird” — it was too dangerous to certain church agendas. Its raw supernatural narrative clashed with the institutional trend toward allegorizing everything and dismissing fallen angelic influence as myth.


5. “What if it’s all fake? What if it’s deception?”

Then we’d see it contradict the Gospel.

But instead, we see the opposite:
It agrees with the Genesis narrative, it explains the roots of sin, and it magnifies the righteousness of God in judging both angels and men for wickedness.

It doesn’t introduce heresy — it expands on what Scripture already implies.

Would Satan create a book that warns against fallen angels, condemns sorcery and bloodshed, and announces the return of the Son of Man with ten thousand saints?

That’s not deception. That’s prophecy.
A prophecy that the early Church understood, but that the modern Church, thanks to sanitized theology and Scofield-style distractions, has forgotten.


6. Regarding the PDF (Andy McCracken 2002)

The intro is basic but fine for a surface-level orientation. Just note:

McCracken's edition is based on R.H. Charles’ older translation (still valid, but newer editions like George W.E. Nickelsburg & James VanderKam give more scholarly fidelity).
That PDF doesn’t go deep into the contextual Hebrew or Aramaic roots, nor does it tie into the Dead Sea Scrolls.
But it’s a solid place to start — as long as we’re aware of the limitations.

The Book of Enoch doesn’t compete with the Bible. It cries out for the Bible to be taken seriously.
It magnifies Christ as Judge.
It warns us of deception.
It exposes the darkness.

And in a world sprinting headlong into the same rebellion that triggered the Flood — to me, its voice matters more now than ever.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

These are just my personal beliefs..

If the Book of Enoch were included in the Western Bible, right after Genesis, you wouldn’t just be adding a text —
you’d be detonating a spiritual atom bomb.

Because Enoch does what no other canonical book does so bluntly:

It names the enemy.
It exposes the origins of evil — not just sin, but sorcery, abortion, war, vanity, cosmetics, astrology, forbidden tech, and more.
It doesn’t leave the Fall of Man as a vague allegory — it lays the blame on a heavenly rebellion and a dark bargain between angels and humans.
It warns of judgment, not just for individuals, but for whole systems — corrupt rulers, principalities, Watchers, Nephilim — all of it.

My personal belief is that if it was in the final canon, 95%+ of everyone living in Western society today would be devout, hardcore Christians.
Spiritual soldiers.
Not lukewarm pew-warmers — but warriors.
Ready to tear down strongholds, expose principalities, and stand against the powers of darkness without flinching.
And I believe that’s exactly why Rome omitted it.
Because Enoch isn’t safe.
It doesn’t play nice with empires.

That’s why I believe Rome couldn’t allow it.

Enoch isn’t about building cathedrals, creating state churches, or moralizing the masses.

It’s about angelic treason, human corruption, and a coming judgment so fierce it makes Noah’s flood look like a fire drill.

And here’s the threat to Rome:
Enoch exposes power.
Enoch exposes the spiritual elite.
Enoch exposes the watchers — not just the ancient ones, but the modern ones too.
It implicates entire systems of control — from priesthoods to politics to pharmakeia.

A people who believe the Book of Enoch do NOT bow to Caesar. Let's just get that out of the way right here...
They don’t play church.
They don’t build empires.
They prepare for war in the heavenlies.

If anything, the Western mind was tamed by omission.

By cutting Enoch, Rome:

Sanitized the Gospel
Removed the roots of evil
Stripped the faith of its apocalyptic urgency
And slowly replaced angelic warfare with institutional control

Because a believer with Enoch in their hands becomes dangerously awake.
And an awake Church doesn’t submit to Babylon.

They didn’t exclude Enoch because it was “too weird.”
They excluded it because it was too true.

Too revealing.
Too powerful.
Too radioactive to sit between Genesis and Exodus without blowing the lid off everything.

As I said in my other post, I personally believe that, for some reason, God allowed it not to be canonized; for reasons we do not yet know or understand.

Well… maybe that’s not entirely true.
If Enoch were in the Bible, real faith wouldn’t be tested — because nobody argues with a horror story backed by heaven.
People wouldn’t wrestle with belief; they’d just obey out of sheer fear.
And God doesn’t want fear-driven obedience — He wants faith that chooses Him before the floodwaters rise.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Nick, I’ll just leave this 20+ year old txt here for you to read it in its entirety. I have no idea if this is authentic or not, but when I first read it, it gave me a pause that never went away.




**“Alright sit down before you read this and maybe take a bong rip or a couple of shots first cause it's wild. What I’m posting here surfaced on a Chinese academic backchannel sometime in the late ‘90s.. maybe ’97. No fanfare, just a buried text file and a bad english translation. Rumor was it came from a cracked archive behind the great firewall.
Original author was a professor Chen Wenhao, dated 1989.
They say he wrote it for his son in case he died and never meant it to go public.
The file got flagged, disappeared, mirrored twice and then vanished again. I grabbed a copy before it dropped off.
Didn’t touch it. you wanna know if it’s real?? read it yourself. <shrugs>
All I know is this, you don’t build an empire like Egypt based on a fairytale.”**


“English Translation of a Private Testament by Professor 陈文浩 Recovered from Suppressed Archive”


“My son, if this letter has come to you, then my life has ended before I could complete the work I began. There is no need for grief, our time here is brief and mine has reached its quiet end. But before the silence takes me, I must leave you what I have learned. You have always honored our family, you have studied well, walked upright, and never chased shadows. That is why I write these words for you and for you alone. In the later years of my life, something unexpected happened, not by accident, not by luck. It was something I can only call guidance. A foreign student gave me a translation of a banned religious text; he passed it to me in secret, and it was called the Book of Enoch. I was reading it slowly, always at night when the house was still. At first I dismissed it, then I became uneasy and then I began to see. All the stories I had taught, the gods, the myths, the heavenly emperors, the dragon kings, they were not metaphors. They were echoes, fragments and shadows of something real. I had spent my life telling others that ancient men worshipped the stars because they did not understand them. That the stories of beings from the sky were symbols, nothing more and I was wrong. We were all wrong. They were not symbols, they were the same beings described in that book, two hundred of them, Watchers, it calls them. Heavenly beings who defied our creator and descended to earth. I began to compare their names across different cultures, from Greece to Egypt and from India to our own mountains. The names changed, the temples changed, the stories shifted, but the presence behind them stayed the same and the number always was two hundred. Some ruled openly, some vanished into mist and memory but two of them, Azazel and Semjaza, chose Egypt as their throne. I know that is not what our historians or textbooks will tell you, the Egyptians called them Set and Ra. Other cultures named them Marduk, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, but these were only masks. Costumes worn by the same powers of ancient spirits wearing new faces. They changed names the way a snake sheds its skin, but underneath they never changed. The Book of Enoch remembers who they truly were, the names they carried before the flood, before the temples, before the lies. And once I saw the pattern I could no longer look away. Set is Azazel and Ra is Semjaza and to the best of what I can ascertain, Azazel is the true name of the Christian deity Satan. This book did not only reveal history, it revealed the deception behind every altar and every myth we inherited. This is why the Jews and the Christians carry the full account, because their people were there and their scriptures remember what the world has tried to bury. I do not write this to persuade you, I write it because it cost me everything to understand and because one day, you may need to see for yourself. Christianity is not one belief among many. It is not foreign, it is not Western, it is the true account of what happened to all of us. Ancient China was not mythology, it was a spiritual battlefield. Ancient Egypt is not mythology, it is a crime scene and those crimes are still etched into their temple walls. They taught mankind, heaven’s most beloved creation, not with compassion, but with hatred born of jealousy. They showed us how to forge sword and armor, not to defend, but to make war. And then they stood apart, like lords in distant towers, watching the bloodshed for entertainment as if it were music. They gave us knowledge of healing, not to restore life, but to preserve the wounded only so they might fight again another day. It was not kindness, it was cruelty made efficient. They came to the daughters of men, not with honor, but with lust. They took them, made them wives by force, and from these unions came offspring that were never meant to be. They were not men, they were not beasts, they were abominations, born of heaven’s rebellion and earth’s sorrow. They raped, enslaved, and murdered us without hesitation or regret. They ruled with terror, and the world became unclean beneath their feet. And when our creator looked upon what had become of his creation, his breath placed into flesh now twisted by fallen ones, he was grieved beyond words. And in his sorrow, he sent the waters, not to every land, but to those where the seed of rebellion had rooted deepest. The flood came not only for sin, but to destroy the abominations birthed from angels who defiled the wombs of human women. To purge the earth of what heaven never ordained and to silence what should never have been born. The Book of Enoch, the one quietly buried by officials and dismissed by schools, is the missing record that explains what happened to every ancient civilization on earth. These things were real, son. The gods, the angels, the monsters, they walked among us and defiled us. Our cultural mythologies were never separate stories, they were warnings. Echoes of a single truth and historical event, retold in a thousand tongues. Everything I spent my life searching for is in the vault. Open it, and you will see. All of it… in terrible, beautiful detail. If you are reading this, then I am gone. Whether my death was quiet or forced, I cannot say. But I want you to know what no one else will say when they speak my name. I did not die a scholar and I did not die a teacher. I died as a man who finally understood what truth is. I died a Christian. Not a convert to Western religion and not a man who traded his culture for someone else’s story. I placed my faith in the Son of the Living God, Jesus the Messiah, because everything I found in the ruins pointed to him. The stories were real, the war was real, the fall was real. But the cross was also real and it was enough. I have peace now. And I place this truth in your hands. Be wise, be steady and when the time comes, my son, believe. Your father, 陈文浩”

 

[Christ4Ever]

Nick, I’ll just leave this 20+ year old txt here for you to read it in its entirety. I have no idea if this is authentic or not, but when I first read it, it gave me a pause that never went away.




**“Alright sit down before you read this and maybe take a bong rip or a couple of shots first cause it's wild. What I’m posting here surfaced on a Chinese academic backchannel sometime in the late ‘90s.. maybe ’97. No fanfare, just a buried text file and a bad english translation. Rumor was it came from a cracked archive behind the great firewall.
Original author was a professor Chen Wenhao, dated 1989.
They say he wrote it for his son in case he died and never meant it to go public.
The file got flagged, disappeared, mirrored twice and then vanished again. I grabbed a copy before it dropped off.
Didn’t touch it. you wanna know if it’s real?? read it yourself. <shrugs>
All I know is this, you don’t build an empire like Egypt based on a fairytale.”**


“English Translation of a Private Testament by Professor 陈文浩 Recovered from Suppressed Archive”


“My son, if this letter has come to you, then my life has ended before I could complete the work I began. There is no need for grief, our time here is brief and mine has reached its quiet end. But before the silence takes me, I must leave you what I have learned. You have always honored our family, you have studied well, walked upright, and never chased shadows. That is why I write these words for you and for you alone. In the later years of my life, something unexpected happened, not by accident, not by luck. It was something I can only call guidance. A foreign student gave me a translation of a banned religious text; he passed it to me in secret, and it was called the Book of Enoch. I was reading it slowly, always at night when the house was still. At first I dismissed it, then I became uneasy and then I began to see. All the stories I had taught, the gods, the myths, the heavenly emperors, the dragon kings, they were not metaphors. They were echoes, fragments and shadows of something real. I had spent my life telling others that ancient men worshipped the stars because they did not understand them. That the stories of beings from the sky were symbols, nothing more and I was wrong. We were all wrong. They were not symbols, they were the same beings described in that book, two hundred of them, Watchers, it calls them. Heavenly beings who defied our creator and descended to earth. I began to compare their names across different cultures, from Greece to Egypt and from India to our own mountains. The names changed, the temples changed, the stories shifted, but the presence behind them stayed the same and the number always was two hundred. Some ruled openly, some vanished into mist and memory but two of them, Azazel and Semjaza, chose Egypt as their throne. I know that is not what our historians or textbooks will tell you, the Egyptians called them Set and Ra. Other cultures named them Marduk, Zeus, Odin, Quetzalcoatl, but these were only masks. Costumes worn by the same powers of ancient spirits wearing new faces. They changed names the way a snake sheds its skin, but underneath they never changed. The Book of Enoch remembers who they truly were, the names they carried before the flood, before the temples, before the lies. And once I saw the pattern I could no longer look away. Set is Azazel and Ra is Semjaza and to the best of what I can ascertain, Azazel is the true name of the Christian deity Satan. This book did not only reveal history, it revealed the deception behind every altar and every myth we inherited. This is why the Jews and the Christians carry the full account, because their people were there and their scriptures remember what the world has tried to bury. I do not write this to persuade you, I write it because it cost me everything to understand and because one day, you may need to see for yourself. Christianity is not one belief among many. It is not foreign, it is not Western, it is the true account of what happened to all of us. Ancient China was not mythology, it was a spiritual battlefield. Ancient Egypt is not mythology, it is a crime scene and those crimes are still etched into their temple walls. They taught mankind, heaven’s most beloved creation, not with compassion, but with hatred born of jealousy. They showed us how to forge sword and armor, not to defend, but to make war. And then they stood apart, like lords in distant towers, watching the bloodshed for entertainment as if it were music. They gave us knowledge of healing, not to restore life, but to preserve the wounded only so they might fight again another day. It was not kindness, it was cruelty made efficient. They came to the daughters of men, not with honor, but with lust. They took them, made them wives by force, and from these unions came offspring that were never meant to be. They were not men, they were not beasts, they were abominations, born of heaven’s rebellion and earth’s sorrow. They raped, enslaved, and murdered us without hesitation or regret. They ruled with terror, and the world became unclean beneath their feet. And when our creator looked upon what had become of his creation, his breath placed into flesh now twisted by fallen ones, he was grieved beyond words. And in his sorrow, he sent the waters, not to every land, but to those where the seed of rebellion had rooted deepest. The flood came not only for sin, but to destroy the abominations birthed from angels who defiled the wombs of human women. To purge the earth of what heaven never ordained and to silence what should never have been born. The Book of Enoch, the one quietly buried by officials and dismissed by schools, is the missing record that explains what happened to every ancient civilization on earth. These things were real, son. The gods, the angels, the monsters, they walked among us and defiled us. Our cultural mythologies were never separate stories, they were warnings. Echoes of a single truth and historical event, retold in a thousand tongues. Everything I spent my life searching for is in the vault. Open it, and you will see. All of it… in terrible, beautiful detail. If you are reading this, then I am gone. Whether my death was quiet or forced, I cannot say. But I want you to know what no one else will say when they speak my name. I did not die a scholar and I did not die a teacher. I died as a man who finally understood what truth is. I died a Christian. Not a convert to Western religion and not a man who traded his culture for someone else’s story. I placed my faith in the Son of the Living God, Jesus the Messiah, because everything I found in the ruins pointed to him. The stories were real, the war was real, the fall was real. But the cross was also real and it was enough. I have peace now. And I place this truth in your hands. Be wise, be steady and when the time comes, my son, believe. Your father, 陈文浩”

Dear Brother,
I hope you're not the one who did the introduction, "bong rip or a couple of shots"! lol
Makes for an interesting read. Would it make for a greater faith, and belief in our Lord Jesus Christ? I hope it does, but towards that which will save, and not to what is only for knowledge's sake. For it truly speaks to depravity, and the evil that is there, but like trying to understand the immensity of God, and His Good; how do we, or even do we, want/need to know the largeness and expanse of evil, and what it has done? Instead of Christ crucified and Risen to Glory. \o/

For evil, speaks to a rejection of God and His being Good, and His desire for all of His Creation, which is anathema to what the Adversary/s want and work towards; if but futilely.

So, whether this letter is true or not, it still has the ability to move those who read it and believe even if a little of what it says. Hopefully to Jesus, and not as I have said before to just knowledge's sake.

Thanks for sharing it. Maybe as I move to reading more of BOE, it will make a greater impression on me of one man's desire for his son.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[Deep Seeker]

It makes absolutely no sense — at least not on the surface.
So, like with many ancient coverups, working theories are the best we’ve got.
And here’s mine.

First, who was Enoch?

Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam (Jude 1:14).

Enoch was the great-grandson of Adam and Eve.

Enoch was also the great-grandfather of Noah (Genesis 5:18–29).

Enoch was born before the Flood and is the only pre-Flood prophet with an attributed book of prophecy.

Enoch is said to have actually “walked with God” for 300 years — from the age of 65 until "God took him". (Genesis 5:24).

Enoch is one of only two people in the Old Testament who were taken by God without dying (the other is Elijah).

The phrase “walked with God” is uniquely applied to Enoch, setting him apart from other patriarchs.

Enoch is directly quoted in the New Testament, in the Epistle of Jude (Jude 1:14–15).

The quote in Jude is a verbatim reference to 1 Enoch 1:9, confirming the Apostles’ familiarity with the text.

Jude refers to Enoch as a prophet.

The content of the quote in Jude is not found in Genesis or any Old Testament text except the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch contains a messianic prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ with His holy ones.

The Book of Enoch describes the judgment of the ungodly, consistent with New Testament eschatology.

Enoch is mentioned in Hebrews 11:5 as part of the “Hall of Faith.”

Enoch’s righteousness is affirmed in Hebrews 11 as pleasing to God.

The Book of Enoch was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls collection.

Multiple full and partial copies of Enoch were discovered among the Qumran scrolls.

The Book of Enoch was preserved and canonized in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the oldest Christian traditions.

The Ethiopian Church includes Enoch as part of the broader canon and has used it liturgically for centuries.

Early Church Fathers such as Tertullian referenced and endorsed Enoch.

Justin Martyr referenced the angelic fall narrative consistent with Enoch’s account.

Athenagoras, Irenaeus, and Origen referenced themes that are distinctly Enochian.

Enoch provides a full theological framework for Genesis 6:1–4, which the canonical Bible only briefly summarizes.

The Book of Enoch identifies the “Sons of God” in Genesis 6 as rebellious angels.

Enoch names the chief fallen angels, including Semjaza and Azazel.

Enoch explains the origin of the Nephilim.

Enoch links demonic spirits to the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, explaining their origin and hostility.

Enoch gives detailed descriptions of angelic transgressions and the divine punishment that followed.

The Book of Enoch records how angels corrupted humanity with forbidden knowledge.

Enoch identifies categories of forbidden knowledge: warfare, cosmetics, sorcery, astrology, etc.

These teachings connect directly with the New Testament theme of spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12).

Enoch's judgment prophecies are consistent with Old and New Testament apocalyptic texts.

The Book of Enoch contains an early vision of the Messiah, referred to as the “Son of Man.”

Enoch’s “Son of Man” figure is enthroned in heaven, judging kings and the wicked — consistent with Daniel 7 and Revelation.

Enoch is the earliest written source to describe the Son of Man pre-incarnate in a divine role.

Enoch describes a coming resurrection of the righteous.

Enoch describes a coming final judgment of fallen angels and unrepentant humans.

Enoch contains structured parables and visions, matching the prophetic genre of books like Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation.

The theological content of Enoch does not contradict canonical Scripture, but rather expands and clarifies it.

The Book of Enoch was known and used during the Second Temple period.

Enoch was likely known to Jesus and the Apostles, based on references and terminology.

Enoch was widely circulated in both Hebrew and Aramaic before and during the time of Christ.

The Book of Enoch was widely read by early Jewish sects, including the Essenes.

There is no known historical record of the Book of Enoch being formally condemned by the Apostles.

The exclusion of Enoch was based on late post-apostolic decisions, not direct divine rejection.

The Council of Nicaea never discussed or formally excluded the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch was not excluded due to heresy, but likely due to political and theological discomfort.

Enoch undermines post-Constantinian theology, including views on angels, hierarchy, and spiritual warfare.

Enoch is consistent with apocalyptic themes found in Revelation, 2 Peter, Jude, Zechariah, and Daniel.

The themes of divine judgment, fallen angels, spiritual corruption, and the return of the Son of Man are all biblically foundational.

The omission of Enoch leaves major theological gaps in the canon regarding pre-Flood history, demonology, and the role of angels.

The Book of Enoch fills in background theology that is assumed by later biblical texts.

Enoch’s account of the Watchers explains the urgency of the Flood far more clearly than Genesis alone.

Without Enoch, the reader must infer complex doctrines from fragmented verses.

Enoch aligns with New Testament emphasis on cosmic spiritual conflict.

Enoch was once accepted by the broader early Christian world and was only later marginalized.

The Book of Enoch is more theologically grounded than several later Apocryphal works that remained in Catholic Bibles (e.g., Tobit, Judith).

There is no evidence of widespread rejection of Enoch in the first three centuries of Christianity.

The rejection of Enoch coincided with Rome’s consolidation of theological control over canon formation.

Enoch provides a clear Messianic vision prior to the Law, tying Christ to pre-Abrahamic prophecy.


So the only answer one can be left with is this:

The Book of Enoch wasn’t excluded because it was false. It was excluded because it was too true — and too terrifying.

The content of Enoch is not mild theology. It isn’t concerned with civic morality or imperial order. It pulls the curtain back on a world of angelic rebellion, forbidden knowledge, corrupted bloodlines, judgment by fire, and an all-seeing Messiah enthroned before creation.

In other words:
Enoch reveals a supernatural war — and it names names.

The early Roman Church, under imperial influence, had every reason to avoid that.

At the time of canon finalization, the Christian faith was being absorbed into empire. Constantine’s goal was not purity of doctrine — it was unity of empire. And a book like Enoch, which reveals:

The origin of demonic spirits,
The crimes of heavenly beings,
The pre-Advent enthronement of the Son of Man,
And an unrelenting prophetic condemnation of world powers…

…was not useful to a system trying to create order, hierarchy, and long-term political control.

It scared people.
Not because it was fantasy — but because it wasn’t.
It described a spiritual reality so intense, so direct, and so unfiltered, that Rome saw it as destabilizing.

So they buried it.

It wasn’t doctrinal deviation that got Enoch shelved.
It was doctrinal danger —
danger to the religious gatekeepers, to the imperial narrative, and to the sanitized, post-apocalyptic version of Christianity Rome was creating.

The Book of Enoch didn’t fit the empire’s religion.

But it fit the apostles’ worldview perfectly.

And that’s why it had to go.

VERY GOOD JOB! I have rea The Book Of Enoch; very interesting read !

 

[Deep Seeker]

Whose Son, was Cain ?

 

[Bill]

It makes absolutely no sense — at least not on the surface.
So, like with many ancient coverups, working theories are the best we’ve got.
And here’s mine.

First, who was Enoch?

Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam (Jude 1:14).

Enoch was the great-grandson of Adam and Eve.

Enoch was also the great-grandfather of Noah (Genesis 5:18–29).

Enoch was born before the Flood and is the only pre-Flood prophet with an attributed book of prophecy.

Enoch is said to have actually “walked with God” for 300 years — from the age of 65 until "God took him". (Genesis 5:24).

Enoch is one of only two people in the Old Testament who were taken by God without dying (the other is Elijah).

The phrase “walked with God” is uniquely applied to Enoch, setting him apart from other patriarchs.

Enoch is directly quoted in the New Testament, in the Epistle of Jude (Jude 1:14–15).

The quote in Jude is a verbatim reference to 1 Enoch 1:9, confirming the Apostles’ familiarity with the text.

Jude refers to Enoch as a prophet.

The content of the quote in Jude is not found in Genesis or any Old Testament text except the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch contains a messianic prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ with His holy ones.

The Book of Enoch describes the judgment of the ungodly, consistent with New Testament eschatology.

Enoch is mentioned in Hebrews 11:5 as part of the “Hall of Faith.”

Enoch’s righteousness is affirmed in Hebrews 11 as pleasing to God.

The Book of Enoch was part of the Dead Sea Scrolls collection.

Multiple full and partial copies of Enoch were discovered among the Qumran scrolls.

The Book of Enoch was preserved and canonized in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, one of the oldest Christian traditions.

The Ethiopian Church includes Enoch as part of the broader canon and has used it liturgically for centuries.

Early Church Fathers such as Tertullian referenced and endorsed Enoch.

Justin Martyr referenced the angelic fall narrative consistent with Enoch’s account.

Athenagoras, Irenaeus, and Origen referenced themes that are distinctly Enochian.

Enoch provides a full theological framework for Genesis 6:1–4, which the canonical Bible only briefly summarizes.

The Book of Enoch identifies the “Sons of God” in Genesis 6 as rebellious angels.

Enoch names the chief fallen angels, including Semjaza and Azazel.

Enoch explains the origin of the Nephilim.

Enoch links demonic spirits to the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, explaining their origin and hostility.

Enoch gives detailed descriptions of angelic transgressions and the divine punishment that followed.

The Book of Enoch records how angels corrupted humanity with forbidden knowledge.

Enoch identifies categories of forbidden knowledge: warfare, cosmetics, sorcery, astrology, etc.

These teachings connect directly with the New Testament theme of spiritual wickedness in high places (Ephesians 6:12).

Enoch's judgment prophecies are consistent with Old and New Testament apocalyptic texts.

The Book of Enoch contains an early vision of the Messiah, referred to as the “Son of Man.”

Enoch’s “Son of Man” figure is enthroned in heaven, judging kings and the wicked — consistent with Daniel 7 and Revelation.

Enoch is the earliest written source to describe the Son of Man pre-incarnate in a divine role.

Enoch describes a coming resurrection of the righteous.

Enoch describes a coming final judgment of fallen angels and unrepentant humans.

Enoch contains structured parables and visions, matching the prophetic genre of books like Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation.

The theological content of Enoch does not contradict canonical Scripture, but rather expands and clarifies it.

The Book of Enoch was known and used during the Second Temple period.

Enoch was likely known to Jesus and the Apostles, based on references and terminology.

Enoch was widely circulated in both Hebrew and Aramaic before and during the time of Christ.

The Book of Enoch was widely read by early Jewish sects, including the Essenes.

There is no known historical record of the Book of Enoch being formally condemned by the Apostles.

The exclusion of Enoch was based on late post-apostolic decisions, not direct divine rejection.

The Council of Nicaea never discussed or formally excluded the Book of Enoch.

The Book of Enoch was not excluded due to heresy, but likely due to political and theological discomfort.

Enoch undermines post-Constantinian theology, including views on angels, hierarchy, and spiritual warfare.

Enoch is consistent with apocalyptic themes found in Revelation, 2 Peter, Jude, Zechariah, and Daniel.

The themes of divine judgment, fallen angels, spiritual corruption, and the return of the Son of Man are all biblically foundational.

The omission of Enoch leaves major theological gaps in the canon regarding pre-Flood history, demonology, and the role of angels.

The Book of Enoch fills in background theology that is assumed by later biblical texts.

Enoch’s account of the Watchers explains the urgency of the Flood far more clearly than Genesis alone.

Without Enoch, the reader must infer complex doctrines from fragmented verses.

Enoch aligns with New Testament emphasis on cosmic spiritual conflict.

Enoch was once accepted by the broader early Christian world and was only later marginalized.

The Book of Enoch is more theologically grounded than several later Apocryphal works that remained in Catholic Bibles (e.g., Tobit, Judith).

There is no evidence of widespread rejection of Enoch in the first three centuries of Christianity.

The rejection of Enoch coincided with Rome’s consolidation of theological control over canon formation.

Enoch provides a clear Messianic vision prior to the Law, tying Christ to pre-Abrahamic prophecy.


So the only answer one can be left with is this:

The Book of Enoch wasn’t excluded because it was false. It was excluded because it was too true — and too terrifying.

The content of Enoch is not mild theology. It isn’t concerned with civic morality or imperial order. It pulls the curtain back on a world of angelic rebellion, forbidden knowledge, corrupted bloodlines, judgment by fire, and an all-seeing Messiah enthroned before creation.

In other words:
Enoch reveals a supernatural war — and it names names.

The early Roman Church, under imperial influence, had every reason to avoid that.

At the time of canon finalization, the Christian faith was being absorbed into empire. Constantine’s goal was not purity of doctrine — it was unity of empire. And a book like Enoch, which reveals:

The origin of demonic spirits,
The crimes of heavenly beings,
The pre-Advent enthronement of the Son of Man,
And an unrelenting prophetic condemnation of world powers…

…was not useful to a system trying to create order, hierarchy, and long-term political control.

It scared people.
Not because it was fantasy — but because it wasn’t.
It described a spiritual reality so intense, so direct, and so unfiltered, that Rome saw it as destabilizing.

So they buried it.

It wasn’t doctrinal deviation that got Enoch shelved.
It was doctrinal danger —
danger to the religious gatekeepers, to the imperial narrative, and to the sanitized, post-apocalyptic version of Christianity Rome was creating.

The Book of Enoch didn’t fit the empire’s religion.

But it fit the apostles’ worldview perfectly.

And that’s why it had to go.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Jesus didn't want it as part of the Bible? Because isn't it Jesus who inspired the monks to write the scripture in the first place. The monks had all the Scrolls the parchments the letters that became the scripture as we know it . But it was through Jesus that inspired them to set the words in the order that they are now .

I've said it a few times before already in other threads, but Jesus not only inspired the scripture to those who wrote it but he also orchestrated the way it was set up.

 

[Twistie]

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Jesus didn't want it as part of the Bible? Because isn't it Jesus who inspired the monks to write the scripture in the first place. The monks had all the Scrolls the parchments the letters that became the scripture as we know it . But it was through Jesus that inspired them to set the words in the order that they are now .

I've said it a few times before already in other threads, but Jesus not only inspired the scripture to those who wrote it but he also orchestrated the way it was set up.

Idk perhaps I'm just out there but I see it as that men that idk decides what to j what not to do or put with the bible why I just follow His Spirit.. I can tell His voice from all others for none come close so when I go outside the Bible Im already in Him pondering n He just directs me n He has never went against anything.. idk

Many wanna cry cherry picking so how do I know that's not what those before me did.. each bible is different like words wise some have nothing of what others have I got me one for the late 1800s ..


I believe that's why it is written for those who have ears..

By no means am I trying to push anyone into anything I'm just saying how I see if that makes sense..


Anywho...

Hope all's is at peace with you n yours..

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