STOP Asking God To Forgive You

[eddieb]

sin seperates us from God. before reconciliation is forgivness. you cant go to step two before one.

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[DutchChristian]

It's not a "SIN" issue today. It's a "BELIEF" issue.

Jesus paid for all your sins PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE,
on the cross.

So stop asking for forgivness. He has already FORGIVEN YOU!

JUST BELIEVE.

This is how the devil talks.... just believe and do not worry all your sins are already forgiven even your future sins so relax and be happy.

i hate these lies so much they are so evil and deceptive and false

Wake up people! Sin is what seperates you from God sin will destroy you and sin will send you to hell you must always repent of sin and ask for forgiveness.

 

[caprice09]

what

And what would you propose to do about it? Either God solved the problem of sin or He didn't. Either we believe in His ability to do these things or we attempt to do them ourselves. Which does the bible say to be more offensive to God?

Hebrews 9:24-28 "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."

Col 1:21-23 "And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister..."

Col 2:13-17 "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

1 John 3:8 "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

It is in fact, the ministry and lies of Satan that bind me with this impossible burden in effort to earn His love and acceptance (which is already given through Christ).

"But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."

 

[B-A-C]

And what would you propose to do about it? Either God solved the problem of sin or He didn't.

When you say "the problem of sin" what does that mean?

1. There is no more sin at all since Jesus died?
2. There is no more sin for Christian believers since Jesus died?
3. There is no more sin for beleivers who repent and ask for forgiveness.

In the OT repenting and asking forgiveness wasn't enough, a sacrifice was required. The sacrifice has been taken care of, but sin still exists, even in believers.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Jesus himself told us when we pray to ask for forgiveness.
Matt 6:12 and forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who sin against us.

God didn't get rid of sin (yet), he got rid of the penalty for sin and price we had to pay for it.

Either we believe in His ability to do these things or we attempt to do them ourselves. Which does the bible say to be more offensive to God?

Would you say asking HIM forgiveness or assuming we don't need HIS forgiveness is more offensive to God?

In the OT the Law was divided into two parts. First it defined what sin was. (Don't lie, don't steal, don't kill, etc..)
Second it told us what the penalties for these sins were. (Sacrifice a dove for this sin, sacrifice a goat for that sin, sacrifice a bull, you get stoned, etc....) These sacrifices weren't a one time thing. If you did that sin again, you needed to confess, repent, and sacrifice again.


Jesus didn't come to abolish the law, he came to fulfill the law. We still lie, steal, kill, etc....
But we don't have to pay the penalty for it.

 

[caprice09]

All the many quotes above and more...

Is the devil and sin more powerful than God? Can the uncleanness that spreads through sin be more powerful than the sanctification of God? Sacrifice in the law is done away because no other sacrifice is needed (for what sacrifice could do better than God Himself)? The commandments themselves, that condemned us as guilty before God, are they more powerful than the WORD of God Himself who has pronounced us clean? God didn't send Christ to save bulls and goats from being sacrificed, He sent Him to save us from the endless monotenous cycle of futility in trying to earn God's favor.

Gal 2:19-21 "For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Roman chapter 5 talks about the effect of original sin through Adam and compares it to the salvation in Christ. Is the heritage of flesh more significant and powerful than of the Holy Spirit?

Romans Chapter 6-8 Is the Christian significance of baptism emmulating the death and resurrection of Christ...

Romans 7:1-6 "Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter."

The entire books of Galatians and Hebrews Paul pours out his heart to show the futility and bondage of the law that we are delivered from in Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 6:12 "All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any."

1 Cor 10:23 "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

Romans 14:14 "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

The only portion of the law that remains is the rendering again of the judgments and works rendered: for as the law says, "an eye for an eye," so Christ confirms, "as ye have judged so shall you be judged!"

(as a general warning, not directed toward anyone specifically) Be very careful judging others by the commandments of the law, for you are not saved by your obedience to the law either.

Romans Chapter 2 "Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things...And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?..Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God, And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness, An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law. Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

John 8:7-11 "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

 

[B-A-C]

Is the devil and sin more powerful than God? Can the uncleanness that spreads through sin be more powerful than the sanctification of God? Sacrifice in the law is done away because no other sacrifice is needed (for what sacrifice could do better than God Himself)?

Ok, we agree on the sacrifice part anyway. Is it our sin that defines how powerful God is? He is almighty powerful God whether we sin or not. He doesn't want us to sin, we aren't more powerful than God either but he gives us the choice of whether we want to follow him or not, and if we do, whether we want to sin or not. The sovereignty of God doesn't rest on if we sin, in fact what declares his sovereignty is our freedom to choose. Did God quit being God because Adam and Eve sinned (at the time it was 100% of the human race)? Of course not.

John 8:7-11 "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Notice he told her to "sin no more". Not you don't have any sin, and certainly not to keep on sinning.

 

[Barny]

When you say "the problem of sin" what does that mean?

1. There is no more sin at all since Jesus died?
2. There is no more sin for Christian believers since Jesus died?
3. There is no more sin for beleivers who repent and ask for forgiveness.

In the OT repenting and asking forgiveness wasn't enough, a sacrifice was required. The sacrifice has been taken care of, but sin still exists, even in believers.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Jesus himself told us when we pray to ask for forgiveness.
Matt 6:12 and forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who sin against us.

God didn't get rid of sin (yet), he got rid of the penalty for sin and price we had to pay for it.

Hi B-A-C,

You said sin still exists for believers and then quoted 1John1:8-10.
If sin still exists for believers, in spite of the cross, what 'sin' does 1John1:8-10 speak of?

Is it transgression of the law, 1John3:4 ?
It can't mean this as Christians are not under the law (Gal 5:18, Rom 8:2, 1Tim 1:9) and "where there is no law there is no transgression" (sin), Rom 4:15.

Is it unrighteousness, 1John 5:17?
No, as Christians are righteous in Christ.

Is it unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9?
No.

Also, consider the context of 1John1 from the beginning.
1John1:2 "bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ"


1John1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness (without Christ), we lie, and do not the truth"


Note how the context of 1John1 shows it is speaking to non-believers, by declaring eternal life to them.


Also, if 1John1:8-10 refers to Christians then this would contradict 1John3:6-9.
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

This scripture, showing that Christians cannot sin, is confirmed by various other scriptures such as below.


1Pet4:1 " Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh (crucified), arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (Rom 6:6 our old man crucified with Christ): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin;"


Rom 6:7 "For he that is dead is freed from sin."


Rom 3:25 <sup class="versenum"></sup>"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past"


As it's only our past sins that were forgiven, why would Christians still claim to be in sin after Jesus set them free from sin, John8:36?


It was our past sins only that were forgiven. Now in Christ we "cannot sin" (1John 3:9), "ceased from sin" (1Pet 4:1), 'freed from sin" (Rom 6:7).



Although we still see Christians doing wrong (and God disciplines those who do so, as King David's adultery and murder testify), this is not "sin" as defined by God. Many refer to "sin" as bad behavior, but this is an ambiguous definition in the traditions of man. God's definitions of sin are the only ones to use and in doing so we can see why scripture tells us that Christians do not sin.

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

all i can say is the day i stop asking God to forgive me for my transgessions is the day im Standing in the Throne room and i ask Him Once more ..for if any man say he has not sinned then the truth is not in Him ...my flesh nature is always in conflict with the things of God ..only can daily forgivness get me to Gods will for my life ..I cant even imagine a day with out His forgivness being applied on me ....if we did not need His forgoveness DAILEY we would not have needed an ETERNAL sacrafice on the Cross.....Forgiveness is not a one day hall pass to Heaven...it Should be refreshed daily .....IMHO REV

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

all i can say is the day i stop asking God to forgive me for my transgessions is the day im Standing in the Throne room and i ask Him Once more ..for if any man say he has not sinned then the truth is not in Him ...my flesh nature is always in conflict with the things of God ..only can daily forgivness get me to Gods will for my life ..I cant even imagine a day with out His forgivness being applied on me ....if we did not need His forgoveness DAILEY we would not have needed an ETERNAL sacrafice on the Cross.....Forgiveness is not a one day hall pass to Heaven...it Should be refreshed daily .....IMHO REV

No problem there,just don't be surprised if he says "what sins?".
When you remind him he may have to send someone to fetch them.

Psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

I try to be as humble as this statment will let me be ..when im standing in front of God ill not take anything for granted ..Cant wait to Hear theses words from Gods own voice.....DEBT PAID IN FULL....FORGIVEN....Dear Lord let us never take for granted the Forgivness you bestow on us dailey..not because we deserve it but because of youre Great love for us..Rev

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

I try to be as humble as this statment will let me be ..when im standing in front of God ill not take anything for granted ..Cant wait to Hear theses words from God s voice.....DEBT PAID IN FULL....FORGIVEN....

To this I can heartily agree,God Bless Rev.
Sure you don't want to try for a "well done my good and faithful servant"?
Or did you just not get to that part yet?

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

well done is good also ..I dont need God to pat me on the back though..lol..forgiven will work just as well..as long as He sees my heart as His when the time comes ..until then its like the old fishermans prayer .WHEN YOU PULL IN YOURE NETS LORD MAY YOU FIND ME BIG ENOUGH TO KEEP...Rev

 

[caprice09]

Sin no more

As to God being God regardless of my obedience, Amen. "Look unto the heavens, and see; and behold the clouds which are higher than thou. If thou sinnest, what doest thou against him? or if thy transgressions be multiplied, what doest thou unto him? If thou be righteous, what givest thou him? or what receiveth he of thine hand? Thy wickedness may hurt a man as thou art; and thy righteousness may profit the son of man."

But if "sin no more" is a command, than she is in a horrible position, and it might have been better for her to have been stoned to death. So then and only then (being cleaned of His sacrifice until my next inevitable sin and confession) she is righteous, being anointed in His blood, but damned by the nature of the flesh to insolantly betray the gracious manner of her salvation.

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

If my salvation is so frivolously left to chance, it were better for me to die the second I first confessed Him, that I might not risk trampling upon the Gift of God; for fear that I might have sinned between my last confession and death. For I hear the Word of God and do repent, as though conceding that He is right (for if I doubted His Word I would not repent at all...if I asked you to repent for hugging your children would you? Of course not, there is no transgression in what you have done.), but in that my very nature is contrary to Him I can not live according to the manner He has told me.

Without a "daysman," and intercessor I am left without hope in pleasing God!

Read the confession of the acts of Christ throughout Romans Chapter 6-8. The transition from law to grace is as obvious to me as the death and resurrection of Christ ("And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.").

"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." And again here it speaks of the Holy Spirit's operation comparing it to the works of Christ in that it says "Likewise." Therefore just as Jesus acts as intercessor because of our contrary nature so too does the Holy Spirit..called our comforter who shall testify of Him.

Let's try this from a different angle as well. Abraham was commanded by God to sacrifice His son. What manner of fellowship could he have with God if he will not obey His Word. But before Isaac should die an angel of the LORD commanded not lay a hand on him. Is Abraham guilty of disobeying? Or did God contradict Himself? Is it not God Himself (in a perpetual relationship) who is to be honored and obeyed rather than the "letter of the law" of His commands already spoken. For the purpose of the command had already been met, to obey it now (no matter how religious it may seem) is to disobey God who"desires mercy and not sacrifice."
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[brodav9]

a twisted repentance

repentance is not based on words of regret but it is a turning around.
It means to go the opposite direction.

Joel Osteen made the announcement, which I saw personally, out from his meetings. He believes everyone sins and will bring some of that to heaven with them. That God will forgive it then. He also stated that those who are gay will be there also. He says that Elton John is welcome to his church, but that was after Elton said that Jesus was gay also.

My apologies to the Lord that I had to mention that , it was out of reverance for his glory , that the truth may be made known that Jesus was the greatest example of a perfect man ever known. He wouldn't say be ye perfect as your father in heaven Matt. 5:48 if he wasn't a example of that perfection.

Not allowed to talk science here, but we know that uncleaness was what was said about the Gaderene demoniac. Mk. 5:8 he had a unclean spirit

in 1Cor. 5 the church which in Corinth was known as a weak church. Yet they understood that a fornicator was to be put out of the church till repented. But now in a church with 16,000 members a person before repented is welcome, who also blasphemes Jesus.

 

[Barny]

Repentance

repentance is not based on words of regret but it is a turning around.
It means to go the opposite direction.

1Cor. 5 the church which in Corinth was known as a weak church. Yet they understood that a fornicator was to be put out of the church till repented. But now in a church with 16,000 members a person before repented is welcome, who also blasphemes Jesus.

Hi brodav9,

I agree with you that "repentance is not based on words of regret but it is a turning around.
It means to go the opposite direction."

BUT, we see so many in churches always repenting of similar types of behavioral wrongs continuously, showing that they never really repented to begin with.
BUT, what does scripture say of repentance?

Heb 6:1-6
"Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will<SUP> </SUP>do if God permits.
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,<SUP class=versenum> </SUP>if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame."

Here we see repentance is like what you said;
"repentance is not based on words of regret but it is a turning around. It means to go the opposite direction."

Scripture shows us that it is "impossible", "if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance,"
Repentance is a once only event.

And Heb 6 is not speaking of repentance from bad behavior. Instead it speaks of repentance from "dead works". And these dead works are establishing righteousness without Christ. Israel is an example of those "going about to establish their own righteousness" thereby not submitting "themselves to the righteousness of God", Rom 10:3.

Jesus was asked what works should we do. He answered "believe on him whom he hath sent", John 6:29
This is our works. This is "turning around" or going in the "opposite direction" to what we were on originally when we were without Christ.
This is how Christians have repented or turned in the opposite direction.

Christians may still do wrong things at times (and God disciplines us for it), but this is not what our salvation is determined by. Nor is it what repentance is referring to. Instead, we have repented of self-righteous "dead works" and turned to the Lord Jesus Christ instead.

blessings

 

[caprice09]

The righteousness of God in Christ

The idea that I am cleansed of the righteousness of God, which the flesh cannot live up to therefore I am doomed to sin again, only to re-repent to accept another "dose" of His grace is spiritual limbo. Christ is our redeemer and our Jubilee. He is our substitute not an alternative to goats and bulls.

Equally absurd is the idea that we will never fail after the confession of Christ. That from that moment of new birth we always walk flawlessly in the righteousness of God. It is learning to walk in His Spirit through faith. The commitment of God toward you is perpetual, as must be our whole-hearted confession of Him. Those who make this manner of commitment have trusted in the commitment and promises of God to provide the means to save them according to His promises. So long as our commitment is honest, and God is faithful, we cannot fail!

 

[eddieb]

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a tax-collector.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed within himself in this way: God, I thank You that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax-collector.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice on the Sabbath, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And standing afar off, the tax-collector would not even lift up his eyes to Heaven, but struck on his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner!
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself shall be abased, and he who humbles himself shall be exalted.

 

[B-A-C]

The idea that I am cleansed of the righteousness of God, which the flesh cannot live up to therefore I am doomed to sin again, only to re-repent to accept another "dose" of His grace is spiritual limbo. Christ is our redeemer and our Jubilee. He is our substitute not an alternative to goats and bulls.

Equally absurd is the idea that we will never fail after the confession of Christ. That from that moment of new birth we always walk flawlessly in the righteousness of God. It is learning to walk in His Spirit through faith. The commitment of God toward you is perpetual, as must be our whole-hearted confession of Him. Those who make this manner of commitment have trusted in the commitment and promises of God to provide the means to save them according to His promises. So long as our commitment is honest, and God is faithful, we cannot fail!

This is an interesting perspective. We are told to ask for forgiveness when we pray. We are told if we confess our sins he will forgive us. It doesn't say he will if we don't confess. Christ is our substitute? In what way? In the old testament, people didn't beat themselves, crucify themselves, whip themselves, these priests didn't do these things to the people either. They sacrificed animals. That's exactly what Jesus was, a sacrifice, he is called the "Lamb" of God many times in the Bible. John 1:29; Acts 8:32 also 1Pet 1:19; Rev 5:12; Rev 12:11
He is called our sacrifice, not our replacement.(Eph 5:2; Heb 10:12; Heb 10:26)

Jesus wants a relationship with us. A personal, daily one on one relationship, not some one-time ritual. (Luke 9:23; John 10:14 and 1 John 4:13, etc..) When we stop needing him and depending on him, it's time to take a good look at yourself and where your trust really is.

 

[brodav9]

Ps. 51:9

Don't you all just love this chapter. In v.9 He knows that if he gets forgiveness, he will get joy. That restoration from after grieving the Holy Spirit will be the strength by which he can stand strong to defy other tempts in a later time.

It looks as though he is saying God himself will create the clean heart. ( he can't do that.) We just have to apologize and wait on the Holy Spirit to do a internal peace and joy returning.

Have you ever felt God's presence???

The real thing we all understand is called pursue. If we think a branch is weak we will never walk out on the limb. The branch may in fact be strong. This allegory is to show that if we think we will sin, we will head that direction, but if we stay focus on Jesus, and desire his help there is less chance we will live lives of sin.

the more word of God we get in hearts we will act in any given situation by the word that applies to that situation. ( mature audiences only)

One of my weaknesses in the past is pretty girls. One way to not think wrong things is to look away or see a her in the light of her genuine goodness. In my case by the way, God gave me a beautiful wife, she is special designed to meet every need. God ordained that marriage even by writing her and I and our children in the earth. Have to share that sometime.

 

[caprice09]

Substitutionary...

Christ is our substitute in that the judgment due upon us fell upon Him, and the innocense and righteousness of Christ upon us (Isa 53:5). I never said after confession and repentance we turn from God and forsake fellowship with Him! I said the works of God being perfect need not be re-enacted as the "vain repetitions" of the law (Matt 6:7, Hebrews 9+10). Our atonement and adoption unto the Father by the sacrifice of Christ is the model of matrimony (ordained by God) as the two becoming one (Eph 5, 1 Cor 7:3-4).

I do not say that there is no fault done in the flesh after (my one and only one) confession of Christ. I say my allegiance is set to God from that moment onward: offering myself as perpetually in repentance as God is to me by His Grace, in eternal fellowship. Trusting not in my ability to accomplish righteousness before Him, but submitting, as "a living sacrifice," to the Holy Spirit to make manifest the righteousness of God through me. For the "infirmities" of the carnal nature of the flesh will constantly prevent me from accomplishing the righteous will of a Most Holy God (Romans 7, 2 Cor 12:9), but the grace of God will not permit Him to condemn me to death without first offering "a way of escape (Dtrn 20:10-12, 1 Cor 10:13)." Hence offering Himself to us that we might accept or reject Him as we would have Him do to us (Matt 7:1,2,12, Luke 12:29, 1 John 2:22-23)!

God offered Himself because there was no other way it could be done, else "Christ died in vain(Gal 2:21)!"