Soul Sleep 1 Cor/2 Cor

[Travis]

But the soul can't exist without the spirit, because they are both spiritual entities.
The dictionary is simply describing that they are both spiritual entities.
If the spirit goes back to God who gave it why wouldn't the soul follow?
Did God not give us a soul also?

Would you agree that Hebrews 4: 12 tells us that there is a difference between soul and spirit?

We have to find some sort of common ground to go off of.

Blessings,

Travis

 

[ATP]

Would you agree that Hebrews 4: 12 tells us that there is a difference between soul and spirit?

We have to find some sort of common ground to go off of.

Blessings,

Travis

There's a difference in their job structure, but they are both spiritual entities. That doesn't change.

 

[Travis]

There's a difference in their job structure, but they are both spiritual entities. That doesn't change.

I disagree with that statement, here is an excerpt from a wonderful study done by the late Derek Prince:

There are three cases where the word psuchikos is used to a body. No English translation that I know of uses the word soulish. Consequently the distinction is obscured.

Now let’s look at the other places where the word psuchikos is used. Here we come to a point where there is a clear conflict between the soulish and the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 2:14–15:

But the natural man [the soulish man] does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
So the soulish man is not in harmony with the spirit. He cannot receive the things of the spirit. He cannot understand them. You can talk to the most highly educated intellects and they have no ability whatever to understand the things of the spirit, because they are operating in the realm of the soul. This is important because it brings out, there is in a certain sense, an opposition between the spiritual and the soulish.

Then we go on to the Epistle of Jude verse 19 which is a rather illuminating verse. Talking about people who have made trouble in the church, the New King James says,

These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit [capital S, the Holy Spirit].

But very obviously they are part of the church, because they cause division. So we have in the church both those who are spiritual and those who are soulish.

Then the most significant passage of all is James 3:15, which I will deal with at length. Talking about a certain kind of wisdom, James says,

This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.
By now you have arrived at the conclusion that sensual is soulish. So there is a kind of wisdom that is soulish. And there is a decline, descending in three stages. First, earthly; second, soulish; third, demonic. I believe this is the main way in which demons get into the work of God, the people of God, the church of God. It is through this decline from the earthly, to the soulish, to the demonic.

Derek Prince Ministries : Earthly, Soulish, Demonic

The whole thing is really long to read through (I haven't read it all word for word myself), but I'm about 110% sure this will explain it better than I ever could.

Be blessed!

Travis

 

[ATP]

I disagree with that statement, here is an excerpt from a wonderful study done by the late Derek Prince:

Can you rather sum up the study in your own words. What do you believe.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

At the death of the body you become absent from the body and present with the Lord 2 Corinthians 5:1-11. Your dead body will be changed by having it's sin nature removed at the redemption and it will put on your spiritual heavenly body as a cloak. The two bodies will become one body which will go back to heaven with Jesus.

 

[Grace]

I believe we are a spirit with a soul that lives in a body.
With the spirit we contact, receive and contain the Holy Spirit. (conscience, fellowship, intuition)
With the soul as it is renewed by the Word will express and reflect God. (mind, will and emotion)
The body helps us function and relate to the world around us.( taste smell hear touch see)

 

[ATP]

There is additional evidence that the soul leaves the body at death. Several of the resurrection stories in the Bible describe the soul as returning to the body. This implies, of course, that the soul had left in the first place. First, there is the example of Elijah raising the widow’s son from the dead. “And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. 22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived” (1 Kings 17:21-22). This passage specifically says that the child’s soul “came into him again.”

 

[Grace]

There is additional evidence that the soul leaves the body at death. Several of the resurrection stories in the Bible describe the soul as returning to the body. This implies, of course, that the soul had left in the first place. First, there is the example of Elijah raising the widow’s son from the dead. “And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. 22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived” (1 Kings 17:21-22). This passage specifically says that the child’s soul “came into him again.”

Glad you posted that!