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Post #145 above.

John 6:28; Therefore they said to Him, “What are we to do, so that we may accomplish the works of God?”
John 6:29; Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

Jesus says your faith is a work.
Hello again, @B-A-C.

Yes, the only work that is required of anyone, is to believe in the One Whom He has sent. However to use this statement and say that what I am saying is that salvation is by works is ridiculous. Believing on the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ is faith obedience, and not a work in that sense.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.'

(Rom 5:8-10)

Hello @Brightfame52,

Forgive me @Admon Mikha'el: Yes, Christ did die for those who will never believe, but they are not able to access the salvation that sacrifice secured, because of their unbelief: so yes, they will die in their sins.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
So you dont believe Christ death saves. You also must dont believe Christ died for the sin of unbelief correct ?
 
@B-A-C , Three final questions before I go for good :
1. Is Jesus our Lord and Savior ?
2. Does God put Jesus inside us?
2. Does God see our righteous or does He see Jesus's righteousness in us?
NOTE: You have the option to answer or not!
GOD BLESS
 
I really don't think you know anything of the Spirit...you say your a "BIBLE" man but the Spirit won't let you comment on Ephesians 2: 8-9 verse, instead you quote (and I say YOU, not the Holy Spirit) another verse in Romans 8:3-6. This verse is good and correct but it has nothing to do with our discussion...and I really don't think the Holy Spirit offered that up as a reply!
Simply reply to Ephesians 2: 8-9. If you don't, maybe we could just agree that Jesus is Lord and Savior!
Why don't you just go back in this thread and find where I answered that question already...Why are you so rude, and judgemental all the time? Why do you have to be the only one on this site who has ALL the answers..Self righteous? Or do you really know it all?
 
You use the gifts God gave you. It can be simple witnessing, visiting the sick, feeding the poor. It could be singing or teaching.
It could be mowing someone's grass or taking out their trash. It could be cleaning a church. It could be giving (tithing).
It could be any or all of the above.

Even posting messages here on TalkJesus is a work/ministry of sorts.
I like talking with you B-A-C I like the way you think, I like the way your head isn't swelled up.
 
Why don't you just go back in this thread and find where I answered that question already...Why are you so rude, and judgemental all the time? Why do you have to be the only one on this site who has ALL the answers..Self righteous? Or do you really know it all?
JUST ANSWER: Ephesians 2: 8-9
Maybe that would clear up a lot!
 
@Born Again 2004
@B-A-C
@Admon Mikha'el

Hello there,

Ephesians 2:-
(5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, ( by grace ye are saved )
(6) .. And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
(7) .... That in the ages to come He might shew the exceeding richeais the gift of God:
(9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
(10) For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.'

* Believing is 'faith obedience' or 'the obedience of faith': which is not a work but the outworking of faith, surely.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Well....Believing/trusting is not something that can be mandated....You trust in, adhere to, and rely on somebody because you are convinced that they are believable, that they can be trusted in, relied on, and adhered to.....Trust is like a at
So did Christ die for them who never believe and consequently die in their sins ? Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jesus died for every single man woman and child on the planet that ever lived....Even Hitler and Stalin...He died for everyone. That's what His Word says.
 
So you dont believe Christ death saves. You also must dont believe Christ died for the sin of unbelief correct ?
Hello @Brightfame 52,

If you had read my posts to date you would not have asked me this question, or made that assumption. Please do.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
@B-A-C , Three final questions before I go for good :
1. Is Jesus our Lord and Savior ?
2. Does God put Jesus inside us?
2. Does God see our righteous or does He see Jesus's righteousness in us?
NOTE: You have the option to answer or not!
GOD BLESS

Sorry, it's been a busy day here. Nearly 10 hours at work.

1. Yes, of course. No one can be saved without Him.
2. To me, a more correct question would be, does Jesus put the Holy Spirit in us? Yes.
3. I will answer with some scriptures.

Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Rom 6:16; Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 9:30; What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;
2Cor 9:10; Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness;
2Tim 2:22; Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.
2Tim 3:16; All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Matt 25:37; "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
Matt 25:38; 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
Matt 25:39; 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
Matt 25:40; "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'

What made the "sheep" in this parable righteous? What Jesus did for them, or what they themselves did?

Mark 6:20; for Herod was afraid of John, knowing that he was a righteous and holy man, and he kept him safe. And when he heard him, he was very perplexed; but he used to enjoy listening to him.
Jas 5:16; Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Rev_22:11; "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy."

It is what we do, not only what we believe, that makes us righteous.

John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

1Jn 2:29; If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
1Jn 3:7; Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
1Jn 3:10; By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
 
Thank God I am retired and not fighting this bitter cold at home and work combined, I understand the long hours..
may I not curse the hot summer Sun again!

The scriptures you quote ( which you always do so beautifully and lengthy )are good and obviously correct but the differences are how we interpret them.
For instance, in your " more correct question " above , I see as more Jesus getting in you and not him so much putting the Holy Spirit in you...He is the Holy Spirit. Though we may agree or disagree on this, maybe it is that by others it is a matter of Semantics.

I really do like, love and respect your knowledge but the "more correct above" for me is that we do nothing but let God do it all. ALL the verses above about righteousness, is none of us but all about Jesus's Righteousness in us.

I feel that the Bible is clear that in the ancient days of the Old Testament God was constantly telling His people how to be righteous ( that was God's righteousness..[ perfect] ) and since we could never qualify He gave the people an out by offering the annual Day Of Atonement.
But, no matter what , we could never be perfect and never stack up. So, as planned,
God ( loved us so much) decided to take it completely out of our hands and defeat the Devil perfectly....for good. He sent down His Son as final Atonement . Those who believe this now have Jesus inside them. In all those righteous verses above, it is Jesus righteousness through us, not our produced righteousness; God says He would consider those as "filthy rags" but He doesn't see our righteousness but Jesus's.

That is the difference, You say you must do something, that would never work because we are destined to fail, but God sees Jesus's righteousness.

In that the Devil is defeated for all time..
. a perfect plan, which only God could master mind!
 
Hello @Brightfame 52,

If you had read my posts to date you would not have asked me this question, or made that assumption. Please do.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
I have read your comments, they reveal you believe in salvation by what man does.
 
I have read your comments, they reveal you believe in salvation by what man does.
'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written,
that ye might believe

that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life

through His name.'
(Joh 20:30)

Hello @Brightfame52,

If you mean by that, that I believe that it is necessary for man to believe God, in regard to His word concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, then, yes, you are correct, for that is the testimony of Scriptures like that quoted above, so I am on solid ground.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Thank God I am retired and not fighting this bitter cold at home and work combined, I understand the long hours..
may I not curse the hot summer Sun again!

The scriptures you quote ( which you always do so beautifully and lengthy )are good and obviously correct but the differences are how we interpret them.
For instance, in your " more correct question " above , I see as more Jesus getting in you and not him so much putting the Holy Spirit in you...He is the Holy Spirit. Though we may agree or disagree on this, maybe it is that by others it is a matter of Semantics.

I really do like, love and respect your knowledge but the "more correct above" for me is that we do nothing but let God do it all. ALL the verses above about righteousness, is none of us but all about Jesus's Righteousness in us.

I feel that the Bible is clear that in the ancient days of the Old Testament God was constantly telling His people how to be righteous ( that was God's righteousness..[ perfect] ) and since we could never qualify He gave the people an out by offering the annual Day Of Atonement.
But, no matter what , we could never be perfect and never stack up. So, as planned,
God ( loved us so much) decided to take it completely out of our hands and defeat the Devil perfectly....for good. He sent down His Son as final Atonement . Those who believe this now have Jesus inside them. In all those righteous verses above, it is Jesus righteousness through us, not our produced righteousness; God says He would consider those as "filthy rags" but He doesn't see our righteousness but Jesus's.

That is the difference, You say you must do something, that would never work because we are destined to fail, but God sees Jesus's righteousness.

In that the Devil is defeated for all time..
. a perfect plan, which only God could master mind!
Finally! Something that I can agree with. Thank you.
 
'And many other signs truly did Jesus
in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book:
But these are written,
that ye might believe

that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
and that believing ye might have life

through His name.'
(Joh 20:30)

Hello @Brightfame52,

If you mean by that, that I believe that it is necessary for man to believe God, in regard to His word concerning His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, then, yes, you are correct, for that is the testimony of Scriptures like that quoted above, so I am on solid ground.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Unfortunately you are in serious error, to believe in salvation by works. The bible teaches against that.
 
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