Yes I'm born again. And yes its his life that saves . We cannot be saved without his death ,but we were not saved by his death .
Saved by his finished work on the cross ? Really ?.
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Without Jesus' death there would not have been the resurrection and we could not have him living in us by his Holy Spirit. Jesus' work on earth was finished and sin atoned for by his sacrifice - a blood sacrifice to satisfy the wrath of God. There is nothing else for God to do, it's down to us now - will we accept him or will we not. If we do then we are born again.
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Without his sacrificial agonising death there could be no resurrection. We are saved by his death because that is the price he paid to ransom us.
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His resurrected life, agreed!
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Romans 5:18 Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Law came in, to increase the trespass; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Matthew 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you;
28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
29 I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you;
28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
29 I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
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Galatians 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father; 5 to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Galatians 3:12 but the law does not rest on faith, for “He who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us - for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”
14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
4 who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father; 5 to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Galatians 3:12 but the law does not rest on faith, for “He who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us - for it is written, “Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree”
14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and ashes of a heifer sprinkling the defiled, sanctify unto the cleanness of the flesh:
9:14 how much more shall the blood of the Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our conscience from dead works to serve a living God?
9:15 And for this cause he is mediator of a new covenant, so that a death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, the called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must of necessity be the death of him that made it.
9:17 For a testament is of force over the dead: for it doth not then avail when he that made it liveth.
9:18 Hence even the first covenant hath not been dedicated without blood.
9:14 how much more shall the blood of the Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse our conscience from dead works to serve a living God?
9:15 And for this cause he is mediator of a new covenant, so that a death having taken place for redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, the called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must of necessity be the death of him that made it.
9:17 For a testament is of force over the dead: for it doth not then avail when he that made it liveth.
9:18 Hence even the first covenant hath not been dedicated without blood.
“BEFORE I SUFFER”
The whole tenor of NT Scripture concerning Christ’s ‘suffering’, does not present it in terms of His earlier life, but only in terms of the sufferings of the cross.
In Luke 22:15 Jesus gives the time of the beginning of His vicarious suffering
‘And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.”
In John 12:27 Jesus is declaring that the time for His vicarious suffering is now impending. “Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose, I came to this hour.”
Jesus was never vicariously subject to the divine curse upon sin and thus to the delegated agents and powers of penal suffering, until the time of His substitutionary offering up came. In Luke 22:53, Jesus, knowing that the time of His offering up has now begun, says to them; “When I was with you daily in the temple, you did not try to seize Me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness."
Speaking to the disciples on the Emmaeus road, His context re His ‘Suffering’ is His death. Luke 24:19. ‘And He said to them, "What things?" So they said to Him, "The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. ……………………… v.25. Then He said to them; "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things (ie., crucifixion & death), and to enter into His glory?"
In Luke 24:46 Jesus connects His suffering with His death. ‘And He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day.”
In Peter’s sermon in Acts 3:14, Peter does likewise. ‘But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 and you killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. ……. v.17 "Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.’
In Acts 17:2-3, we read; ‘And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths, reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer, (ie., die) and rise again from the dead.’
In Acts 26:22-23 we find the same context. ‘So, having obtained help from God, I stand to this day testifying both to small and great, stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said was going to take place; that the Christ was to suffer, and by reason of His resurrection from the dead, He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”
In 1 Corinthians 15:3 the apostle speaks plainly, saying Jesus did not live a life for our sins, but died for them. ‘For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures.’
Reformed Covenantalism’s abiding obsession with the law, cannot allow in their thinking a redemption that does not have anything to do with works! But Christ didn’t save us by His life-long obedience, He saved us by offering to God His perfect, all-sufficient, once for all time, sin-offering! He could offer such a sacrifice, because He had lived a sinless life, and living sinlessly, was enabled to offer Himself as the ‘Lamb without blemish’ for our sins, and the blood of which, was acceptable in the Holiest. The paschal lamb in Egypt was slain not by any examination of its former living, but for its present fitness, and even then, was of no redemptive value until it had shed its blood, for God had not said; “When I see the life”, but; “When I see the blood.”
The whole tenor of NT Scripture concerning Christ’s ‘suffering’, does not present it in terms of His earlier life, but only in terms of the sufferings of the cross.
In Luke 22:15 Jesus gives the time of the beginning of His vicarious suffering
‘And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer.”
In John 12:27 Jesus is declaring that the time for His vicarious suffering is now impending. “Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say? ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose, I came to this hour.”
Jesus was never vicariously subject to the divine curse upon sin and thus to the delegated agents and powers of penal suffering, until the time of His substitutionary offering up came. In Luke 22:53, Jesus, knowing that the time of His offering up has now begun, says to them; “When I was with you daily in the temple, you did not try to seize Me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness."
Speaking to the disciples on the Emmaeus road, His context re His ‘Suffering’ is His death. Luke 24:19. ‘And He said to them, "What things?" So they said to Him, "The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. ……………………… v.25. Then He said to them; "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things (ie., crucifixion & death), and to enter into His glory?"
In Luke 24:46 Jesus connects His suffering with His death. ‘And He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day.”
In Peter’s sermon in Acts 3:14, Peter does likewise. ‘But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 and you killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. ……. v.17 "Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers. 18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.’
In Acts 17:2-3, we read; ‘And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths, reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and giving evidence that the Christ had to suffer, (ie., die) and rise again from the dead.’
In Acts 26:22-23 we find the same context. ‘So, having obtained help from God, I stand to this day testifying both to small and great, stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said was going to take place; that the Christ was to suffer, and by reason of His resurrection from the dead, He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.”
In 1 Corinthians 15:3 the apostle speaks plainly, saying Jesus did not live a life for our sins, but died for them. ‘For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures.’
Reformed Covenantalism’s abiding obsession with the law, cannot allow in their thinking a redemption that does not have anything to do with works! But Christ didn’t save us by His life-long obedience, He saved us by offering to God His perfect, all-sufficient, once for all time, sin-offering! He could offer such a sacrifice, because He had lived a sinless life, and living sinlessly, was enabled to offer Himself as the ‘Lamb without blemish’ for our sins, and the blood of which, was acceptable in the Holiest. The paschal lamb in Egypt was slain not by any examination of its former living, but for its present fitness, and even then, was of no redemptive value until it had shed its blood, for God had not said; “When I see the life”, but; “When I see the blood.”
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No, once saved, it is His Resurrection that paves the way for our understanding of our promise from God...His death was meaningless if there was no Resurrection!
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Colossians 2:13-14 - And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Yes death never to rise to new spirit life is what we are saved from. . by freely receiving new spirit life from the faithful Father, a work of his faith or labor of the combined love of God. Never accredited separate from Jesus the Son or the father. . the mutual work of two .( I AM) we are one .
Saved by the finished work of two the father and Son . The father in a greater position of power. Jesus the weaker vessel to represent the church the bride .
The Son living in a corruptible dying body, The father kept it from corrupting to its end ."never to rise" to new spirit life .
He performed that work with the Son for three day and nights .Four days he kept the body of Lazarus from coming to the end of corruption .never to rise and receive a new incorruptible body
Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
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Those Christ died for are saved by both Christs death and life. Thats why He is the Saviour ! Christs resurrection is proof, evidence that His Death saved all for whom He died from the penalty of their sins !
