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The only place that tells us anything about angels :p

Here is some scripture about "guardian" angels:

There are over 270 references in Scripture to angels, I'll just put a couple here since I don't have a lot of time, and this post is really about Satan.

In Hebrews l3, verse 2, it says: "Don't forget to entertain strangers because in this manner some have entertained angels without knowing it."

2 Kings 6:15 talks about Elisha's eyes being opened to see an army of angels.

There are at least a few in the Psalms :)
aha! awesome, thank you
 
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wow - this was very interesting and informative.

my dad used to say
"Get thee behind me Satan and DON'T PUSH!"
 
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Eve

Thanks Jculver for pointing to Job,

As I understand it Job did not commit great sin and still suffered due to a test that was instigated by satan. In the book of Job satan is the ACCUSER. Jobs three friends assumed wrongly that Job was being punished by God for a sin or something he had done wrong and encouraged him to ask for forgiveness. Satan wanted Job to suffer mentally and then physically by giving him leprocy, Job was not being punished by God. God is angry with Job's friends for making false assumptions of him and his motives. God spoke to Eliphaz the Temanite and said:

'You have not spoken of me what is right as my servant Job has.' (Job 42:7-8).

For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes 5:9)

'Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us. (Rom 5:1)

Whatever it is that we may have to bear from satan or a mess we get into by accident/mistake, we do not bear it alone if we stay loyal to the Lord. Our gracious Lord will ultimately not forsake us and in fact helps us along the way by the Holy Spirit.

'And the God of all grace, who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm and steadfast.' (Peter 5:10)

My understanding is that the Lord has infinate power and wisdom to intervene when the time is right (to stop satan's torment of us or his tests to see if he can break us), but we must stay loyal to our loving, just and gracious God.

So perhaps then the importance is not the how's, why's and wherefores but our loyalty and perseverance in faith, that helps us to overcome satan's evil and suffering. At least that what I think???.

Praise and glory be to my perfect and loving father.

God Bless

Eve:love:
 
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Eve is completely right, especially about forgetting the whos and whats and whys and just keep loving and trusting and putting faith the the Lord.
 
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Ok this is one of my favorite topics. I studies this this year at counceling school (I am a pastoral therapist specialising in the occult)...

Satan has many names in the bible which all reveal something about him and his nature.

Satan-the adversary of God (1 John 3:8)
Belial-the worthless one (2 Corinthians 6:15)
Beelzebub-prince of the devils (Matthew 12:27)
Baalzebub-lord of the dung/flies (2 Kings 1:16)
Devil-false accuser (James 4:7)
The evil/wicked one- brings times on a bad nature (1 John 2:13)
The dragon-dragons were unknown and a definate evil monster (Revelations 12:3)
Lucifer(Note he is NO LONGER LUCIFER!!!!)-the bright shining morning star of God (Isaiah 14:12)
Annointed Cherub- (No longer) angel with outstretched wings (Ezekiel 28;140
Snake/serpent- seen as burdens to the farmers and harvesters(Genisis 3:1)
Leviatan- a large aquatic monster (Isaiah 27:1)
The enemy- of all christians (Matthew 13:39)
Father of lies- a false and faithless man (John 8:44)
Murderer-manslayer (John 8:44)
Tempter- the tester (1 Tess 3:5)
Thief- steals from people (John 10:10)
Roaring lion- looking for prey (Peter 5:8)
Angel of the bottomless pit- the destroyer (Rev 9:11)
Prince of the power of the air- leader of the forces of the atmosphere (Eph 2:2)
Spirit that worketh in the children of the disobedient- (Eph 2:2)
Prince/god of this world- (2 cor 4:4)
Prince of the devils- Controls them, they worship him (Matthew 12:24)
Unclean spirit- a demon (Matthew12;43)
Fowler- trapper, bait layer (proverbs 6:5)

What are demons?
•Spiritual beings- Matthew 8:16
•Fallen angels- Revelations 12:4
•Inhabitants of earth- Revelations 12:9
•Workers of Satan- Revelations 12:9
•Intelligent- Luke 4:33-34
•Unclean- Mark 5:2
•Workers of iniquity- Psalms 6:8
• Evil spirits- Acts 19:13

How do they function?
•Are worshipped by some- 1Corinthians 10:20
•They have a ranking- Ephesians 6:12
•Are doomed to be thrown into the Lake of fire- Revelations 20:10
•They know this- Matthew 8:29
•Are subject to man in the name of Jesus Christ- Luke 10:17
•Believe there is only one God- James 2:19
•Can enter into man- Luke 18;30
•Can enter animals- Mark 5:13
•Can cause illness and disability
•Can be passed down from generation to generation- Exodus 20:5
•Have supernatural powers- Revelations 16:14
•Need to be bound- Matthew 12:29
•Can be bound by humans- Matthew 18:18
•Can be cast out by the name of Jesus- Mark 16:17
•Cast out by the Spirit of God- Matthew 12:28
•Can give supernatural strength- Mark 5:4
•Try to hurt those who the possess- Mark 5:5
•Try to kill those they possess- Mark 9:22
•Can physically manifest when being cast out- Mark 1:26
•Tend to return to people that they once possessed- Matthew 12:43-45
•Can cause aggression problems- Matthew 8:28
•Can make you sin- 1Samuel 19:9-10
•Can cause fear and depression- 1 Samuel 16:14,
•Can cause mental health problems- Matthew 17:15

Byblical symptoms?
•Supernatural intelligence- Luke 4:33-34
•Illness and disability- Luke 13:11
•Supernatural works- Revelations 16:14
•Supernatural strength- Mark 5:4
•Self-destructive behaviour- Mark 5:5
•Manifestations of screaming and convulsing- Mark 1:26, Mark 9:26
•Psychic abilities- Acts 16:16-17
•Change in behaviour and sin- Matthew 8:28, 1 Samuel 19:9-10
•Fear and depression- 1 Samuel 16:14
•Mental health problems- Matthew 17:15

Biblical proof of rankings in Ephesians 6:12

If you have questions feel free to ask and I will answer to the best of my knowledge
 
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Can there be a demon of laziness? And i have heard of demons passed down through generation or "generational sin" and do beleive in it, for me and some siblings are dealing with the same issues but at differnt times.
 
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I know we are all constantly being tempted/"possesed" by various demons throughout the day, and strong faith in GOd helps 100% in stopping these demons and blocking them out. However, by the end of the day, many people are tired physically and mentally ( atleast i am) and this seems to be the opportunity these demons take to challenge you to sin. So, what is your advice on ways to acquire the strength needed to block out these temptaions and continue to live faithfully and trustworthy in GOD in the hardest times of need?
 
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Can there be a demon of laziness? And i have heard of demons passed down through generation or "generational sin" and do beleive in it, for me and some siblings are dealing with the same issues but at differnt times.

I have heard it mentioned that there is a demonic spirit of laziness but confess I have never been able to find any Scriptural evidence for this claim.

I believe much is said and can be learned from the book of Proverbs about laziness; here are just a few of many Proverbial biblical teaching about laziness which indicate to me it is a sin of the flesh.

“A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber, and want, like an armed robber" (6:10-11).

"A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich" (10:4)
"Like vinegar to the teeth, and smoke to the eyes, so are the lazy to their employers" (10:26).

"Those who till their land will have plenty of food" (12:11, 20:4).
"The hand of the diligent will rule, while the lazy will be put to forced labour" (12:24).

"The appetite of the lazy craves, and gets nothing, while the appetite of the diligent is richly supplied" (13:4, 19:15, 21:25).

"The lazy person says, "There is a lion outside! I shall be killed in the streets!" (22:13).

The advantage of being changed from laziness by the power of the Spirit is that we know the power is not the result of our own willpower. There is no room for spiritual pride. And it is for Christians to be empowered in this way that Paul says, "for this I toil and struggle with all the energy that he powerfully inspires within me" (Colossians 1:29).
 
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I know we are all constantly being tempted/"possesed" by various demons throughout the day, and strong faith in GOd helps 100% in stopping these demons and blocking them out. However, by the end of the day, many people are tired physically and mentally ( atleast i am) and this seems to be the opportunity these demons take to challenge you to sin. So, what is your advice on ways to acquire the strength needed to block out these temptaions and continue to live faithfully and trustworthy in GOD in the hardest times of need?

Ephesians 6 (Amplified Bible) gives us the clear answer to your question:

11Put on God's whole armor [the armor of a heavy-armed soldier which God supplies], that you may be able successfully to stand up against [all] the strategies and the deceits of the devil.

12For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.
13Therefore put on God's complete armor, that you may be able to resist and stand your ground on the evil day [of danger], and, having done all [the crisis demands], to stand [firmly in your place].
14Stand therefore [hold your ground], having tightened the belt of truth around your loins and having put on the breastplate of integrity and of moral rectitude and right standing with God,
15And having shod your feet in preparation [to face the enemy with the firm-footed stability, the promptness, and the readiness produced by the good news] of the Gospel of peace.
16Lift up over all the [covering] shield of saving faith, upon which you can quench all the flaming missiles of the wicked [one].
17And take the helmet of salvation and the sword that the Spirit <SUP>[</SUP>wields, which is the Word of God. 18Pray at all times (on every occasion, in every season) in the Spirit, with all [manner of] prayer and entreaty. To that end keep alert and watch with strong purpose and perseverance, interceding in behalf of all the saints (God's consecrated people).


QUOTE "... we are all constantly being tempted.possessed by various demons .... " UNQUOTE

This is definately not true in the case of the Born of the Spirit Christian and there is not a shred of Scriptural evidence to support the claim.
 
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Ephesians 6 (Amplified Bible) gives us the clear answer to your question:

11Put on God's whole armor [the armor of a heavy-armed soldier which God supplies], that you may be able successfully to stand up against [all] the strategies and the deceits of the devil.

12For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the despotisms, against the powers, against [the master spirits who are] the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) sphere.
13Therefore put on God's complete armor, that you may be able to resist and stand your ground on the evil day [of danger], and, having done all [the crisis demands], to stand [firmly in your place].
14Stand therefore [hold your ground], having tightened the belt of truth around your loins and having put on the breastplate of integrity and of moral rectitude and right standing with God,
15And having shod your feet in preparation [to face the enemy with the firm-footed stability, the promptness, and the readiness produced by the good news] of the Gospel of peace.
16Lift up over all the [covering] shield of saving faith, upon which you can quench all the flaming missiles of the wicked [one].
17And take the helmet of salvation and the sword that the Spirit <sup>[</sup>wields, which is the Word of God. 18Pray at all times (on every occasion, in every season) in the Spirit, with all [manner of] prayer and entreaty. To that end keep alert and watch with strong purpose and perseverance, interceding in behalf of all the saints (God's consecrated people).


QUOTE "... we are all constantly being tempted.possessed by various demons .... " UNQUOTE

This is definately not true in the case of the Born of the Spirit Christian and there is not a shred of Scriptural evidence to support the claim.

thank you for that advice, although it seemed you got a little angry at what i said.. lol

i didnt mean we are constantly getting tempted every second of the day, i guess i worded it wrong, i figured people would understand, oh well.

However, what is this "Born of the Spirit Christian"? im not too sure if i know what those are.

thank you though for taking the time to answer my questions.

peace and love, God Bless.
 
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I have heard it mentioned that there is a demonic spirit of laziness but confess I have never been able to find any Scriptural evidence for this claim.

I believe much is said and can be learned from the book of Proverbs about laziness; here are just a few of many Proverbial biblical teaching about laziness which indicate to me it is a sin of the flesh.

“A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber, and want, like an armed robber" (6:10-11).

"A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich" (10:4)
"Like vinegar to the teeth, and smoke to the eyes, so are the lazy to their employers" (10:26).

"Those who till their land will have plenty of food" (12:11, 20:4).
"The hand of the diligent will rule, while the lazy will be put to forced labour" (12:24).

"The appetite of the lazy craves, and gets nothing, while the appetite of the diligent is richly supplied" (13:4, 19:15, 21:25).

"The lazy person says, "There is a lion outside! I shall be killed in the streets!" (22:13).

The advantage of being changed from laziness by the power of the Spirit is that we know the power is not the result of our own willpower. There is no room for spiritual pride. And it is for Christians to be empowered in this way that Paul says, "for this I toil and struggle with all the energy that he powerfully inspires within me" (Colossians 1:29).


silly, i know laziness is bad and is a sin, and i know the pain it causes, but im asking for a way out! its not like i choose to be lazy, im just so tired all the time and have no energy and dont feel like doing things i need to do.
 
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Your lazines might be caused by thoughts being placed in your mind - by demons of course. Whenever you feel drainded of your energy, or just simply not in the mood to do something, aks God to provide you with enery, make the choice to be enthusiastic about it.
Another important thing is to let God occupy your thoughts.

Colosians 3:2-3
"Let heaven fill your thoughts. Do not think only about things here on earth. For you dies when Christ dies, and your real life is hidden with Christ in God."

Do not exept these thoughts of lazines..
 
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I was away for a couple of weeks and only saw this thread a few days ago, but I decided to read it today, I must say there are some people on this thread that are going to receive a couple of warnings from me, which will result in a ban, if you continue to post utter garbage and your own opinions. BACKUP WHAT YOU SAY WITH THE WORD OF GOD, always!!

Now let's stop all this sillyness and get serious about this topic. Firstly, eveyone go back to page one and click on the word "here" in Chad's post, read that article.

Secondly a few points out of that article.
Satan is one person, he is not omniscent and does not know your thoughts.
His demonic friends are not "watching" you if you are a believer in Jesus Christ.
The devil can not give you thoughts or ideas if you are a Christian.
The devil is here on earth and he does not rule over hell.
Satan is a fallen angel that influences kings of this world (world leaders see his face)
He is alive and kicking and Christians do not need to fear him, he is obsolete to a Christian, we blow him away with the power of the Holy Spirit.

Let's start off by reading some verses in the Holy Word of God, which He breathed by His Spirit through men from the start of this world, His words are alive, because He is alive, that Book we read is alive!

1 John 4: 1-6

Test the Spirits

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

As we can see and read through this text, we may be faced with evil spirits in our lives, but, we have overcome THEM (spirits) furthermore this does not mean the Holy Spirit and an evil spirit will share one body, oh no, I fail to believe such nonsense. If you are a Christian the Spirit of truth abides in you and He does not share His temple with a demon.

Demons DO NOT influence Christians, No devil or demon can remove us from the presence of our God.

John 10:28-30
28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."

I am not a Bible scholar, I do not write novels, I did not go to seminary, I do not attend a church building filled with people, but I am a Christian, who lives as guided by the Holy Spirit of God, I dare not boast or become pridefull, but through the power of Christ, the power of the Father and Holy Spirit, we are set free of the devil and his henchman, be they flesh or spirit, we have nothing to fear.

Jesus also said in that article, He has the keys to hell and death, that does not mean Satan and his demons live in hell, no no, they will burn there one day, it says so in that article.

God bless you all, heed my warning at the start of this post.
Much love
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thank you for that advice, although it seemed you got a little angry at what i said.. lol

i didnt mean we are constantly getting tempted every second of the day, i guess i worded it wrong, i figured people would understand, oh well.

However, what is this "Born of the Spirit Christian"? im not too sure if i know what those are.

thank you though for taking the time to answer my questions.

peace and love, God Bless.

I assure you in Christian love there was no anger in fact or intented on my part. I am sorry I came over to you like that. Please forgive my lack of sensistivity.

Your post said "I know we are all constantly being tempted/"possesed" by various demons" It is unthinkable to me that God would allow one of His children, whom He purchased with the blood of Christ (1 Peter 1:18-19) and made into a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17) – to be possessed and controlled by a demon. Yes, as believers, we wage warfare with Satan and his demons, but not from within ourselves. 1 John 4:4 declares, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.” Who is the One in us? The Holy Spirit. Who is the one in the world? Satan and his demons.

Jesus explained what a 'born of the Spirit Christiian' is in John 3:5-8 (Ampified Bible) :-

5Jesus answered, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, unless a man is born of water and [even] the Spirit, he cannot [ever] enter the kingdom of God.

6What is born of [from] the flesh is flesh [of the physical is physical]; and what is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not [do not be surprised, astonished] at My telling you, You must all be born anew (from above). 8The wind blows (breathes) where it wills; and though you hear its sound, yet you neither know where it comes from nor where it is going. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.

Romans Chapter 8 is a good scripture to read to have an understanding of what 'Life in the Spirit' is.
 
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silly, i know laziness is bad and is a sin, and i know the pain it causes, but im asking for a way out! its not like i choose to be lazy, im just so tired all the time and have no energy and dont feel like doing things i need to do.



Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, does not faint or grow weary; there is no searching of His understanding.

He gives power to the faint and weary, and to him who has no might He increases strength [causing it to multiply and making it to abound].
Even youths shall faint and be weary, and [selected] young men shall feebly stumble and fall exhausted; But those who wait for the Lord [who expect, look for, and hope in Him] shall change and renew their strength and power; they shall lift their wings and mount up [close to God] as eagles [mount up to the sun]; they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint or become tired.
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if demons and such do not know my thoughts, then what tempts me so? I feel two things. I feel feel my spirit. My spirit is with the Lord and feels the Lord. By my spirit constantly fights my body. My body and mind is soo weak. But this is my spirit side talking. My body wants things of this world, and my spirit whats things of the Spirit. They constantly battle. I feel helpless. I get so pumped up with the Lord and i do so well, but the next day im right back to square one..... Some one please help me!!!!!!!!
 
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A few very important verse to this topic.

Jam 4:7 Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death.

Mar 16:17 And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues;

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give to you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the authority of the enemy. And nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Mat 18:18 Truly I say to you, Whatever you shall bind on earth shall occur, having been bound in Heaven; and whatever you shall loose on earth shall occur, having been loosed in Heaven.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come to you.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house and spoil his goods, unless first he binds the strong one, and then he will plunder his house
 
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