Replacement Theology

[B-A-C]

you say they were Israelites or Jews?

The Jews considered them "half-breeds". Tainted blood, unclean. They had mixed with other races over the centuries.
But also they were "half Jews" in the sense that they followed a form of Judaism, but not really 100% traditional Judaism.

 

[Garee]

Samaritans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia rather than the Bible? Which is its own dictionary as well as history

No tribes are lost creating ambiguity .

Twelve represent the authority of Christ A tribe is a family whenever two or three gather together under the authority Christ .Christ is there working in us

Abraham a new tribe made up two families. His Father an Amorite and mother a Hittite. They became enemies of born-again Isreal

Abraham as a second born passed on the you must be born again seed Christ. It began with the apostles, Abel the second born who was murdered by his brother Cain God replaced him with Enos another second born.

Then and not before born again men began to call to the unseen Holy Father

Previously Abram the father of one family changed to his born-again name Abraham "the Father of all the nations as families of the world.

 

[B-A-C]

They became enemies of born-again Isreal

That would be the Arabs and Palestinians, not the Samaritans.

Abraham "the Father of all the nations as families of the world.

Many nations, not "all" nations. But Abraham was the Patriarch to both the sons on Ishmael and Isaac.
Issac was only the Patriarch of the Jews. Ishmael was only the Patriarch of the Arabs. (Rom 4:17-18)

No tribes are lost creating ambiguity .

I agree with that statement the way you have written it, but possibly not in the same way you mean it.

A tribe is a family whenever two or three gather together under the authority Christ .

Do you have a specific scripture that supports this, or is this speculation?

 

[Garee]

That would be the Arabs and Palestinians, not the Samaritans.

Samaritans represent gentiles.

it can be seen in Luke 9 where Christ gives one parable after another hiding the gospel understnding from the apostles. Parables which without Christ spoke not. Parables designed to teach us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal things of Christ.

The racist apostles thought Jesus was pulling a trick. They thought he was going to the Jews in Jerusalem but found out the hard way they had no power to call down fire an consume the gentiles. The pagan foundation out of sight out of mind God calls fools.

The Father gave words to His apostle Jesus to rebuke the apostles revealing to them they knew not what manner of spirit they were of (the spirit of oral traditions of dying mankind} I heard it through the legion of fathers' grapevine

Luke9: 51-55nd it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,;And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.;And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?;But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

 

[Rhema]

2 Kings 17:24
Then the king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath, and Sepharvaim and settled them in the towns of Samaria to replace the Israelites. They took possession of Samaria and lived in its towns.
27;Then the king of Assyria commanded, saying, Carry thither one of the priests whom ye brought from thence; and let them go and dwell there, and let him teach them the manner of the God of the land.

Thank you.

I stand corrected. (On this.)

Rhema

For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he did; they departed not from them; Until the LORD removed Israel out of his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets. So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.​

- 2 Kings 17:22-23 KJV

 

[Rhema]

And yet you can't seem to realize that the word "Samaritan" cannot be found in the Old Testament.

My reprint of Tyndale's NT of 1526 uses Samaritan at Luke 10:33 even if Rhema is selectively blinkered over Bible Truths.

(Ahem... Luke is not in the Old Testament.)

 

[B-A-C]

Samaritans represent gentiles.

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans;

It seems they do not.

 

[Rxlx]

If we accept the Lexicon of the KJV... only Isaiah uses this term in the OT:

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.​

- Isaiah 42:1 KJV

For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.​

- Isaiah 45:4 KJV

And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.​

- Isaiah 65:9 KJV

They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.​

- Isaiah 65:22 KJV

Now can one merely rubber stamp the Hebrew word H972 בָּחִיר bâchı̂yr on top of the Greek used in the NT (G1588 ἐκλεκτός eklektos)??

The easy way out is to just say yes, but from my study of the LXX, it really isn't that easy. We have the English word "elect" in only four verses, but H972 is found 13 times in the OT, and G1588 occurs 80 times.

I think it's a problem when certain words are designated as "special" and unintended religious meaning is created to foster certain theological beliefs of Church Tradition. Just by reading the texts in their initial languages, there is no "THE ELECT" as some anointed category of people, although Paul may have intended this.

I just see the Greek words ... the selected (ones)...or the ones picked out.... and realize that within context those picked out might refer to rather different groups.

In this group who are those selected to be cast into a furnace of fire?

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.​

- Matthew 13:41-42 KJV

A very careful reading of Mat. 24 would show that these "the elect" are the wicked ones selected to be removed off the face of the earth.

In peace,
Rhema

You get crazier.

 

[Rxlx]

The Jews considered them "half-breeds". Tainted blood, unclean. They had mixed with other races over the centuries.
But also they were "half Jews" in the sense that they followed a form of Judaism, but not really 100% traditional Judaism.

The samaritans were pagans clinging to their old idols.

 

[Rhema]

The samaritans were pagans clinging to their old idols.

What a wonderful imagination you have. Back then, it was believed that one was to worship the gods of the area in which y'all lived. That's why a Jewish priest was sent to teach the Samaritans what to believe and how to worship. To cling to old gods from the old country would have offended both sets of gods.

 

[Rxlx]

What a wonderful imagination you have. Back then, it was believed that one was to worship the gods of the area in which y'all lived. That's why a Jewish priest was sent to teach the Samaritans what to believe and how to worship. To cling to old gods from the old country would have offended both sets of gods.

What a wonderful grasp of reality you have.
Instead of wasting your time reading the dead old Old Tetsament in original Hebrew try read the New Testament in translated English?

No doubt your ancestors worshipped Baal, Moloch etc but GOD's chosen were supposed to worship Him.
After the Ten Tribes were deported to begin their treks and eventually end up in Europe and England the immigrated Samaritans did continue to worship their idols and old imaginary gods alongside what the one priest who had been ordered to return from deportation.

One modern preacher says this: 'However, there is actually a competing history, another strain of Samaritan history that claims otherwise. These Samaritans claim that they actually successfully survived the invasion of the Assyrians, and that they are purely descended from the original tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh. Furthermore, they hold that the word “Samaria,” is actually derived from the Hebrew word for “keep” and “observe.” Thus, they say, these real Samaritans are those who truly kept the original Torah; they observe the real Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew scripture.'

As the Samaritans were pagan tribes then someone has been fooling them since their immigration into North Israel in 700BC.
Maybe as the were foreigners the priests words got mistranslated in their heads?

Their languages had evolved from the mixed up ones at Babel in about 2100 BC so 1400 years later when they entered Samaria they may still have had mental difficulties with understanding the spoken word?

I've just been trying to get one 'edcuated person' on another forum to realise that Jesus's parable of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable but he refuses that and claims it is proof of dead peopel going to either heaven or hell...

 

[B-A-C]

The samaritans were pagans clinging to their old idols.

There was a period of time in the old testament this was true, (You already posted 2Kings 17) but that isn't what made them Samaritans.
In fact Samaria existed long before that happened. 1Kings mentions Samaria over a dozen times.

 

[Garee]

Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans;

It seems they do not.

God is not a racist. . Jews chosen people used to represent all nations as a metaphor in parables. . not chosen race

That parable must be compared to others. Go not the way of the gentiles walk or understand . .by the temporal things seen and not the eternal things of Christ's faith who works in us

Mathew 5:5-6 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way (no faith) of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:;But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.(things not seen) And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

In Luke and Mark 9 a whole series of parable teaching the believer how to rightly divide or interpret the parable. . walk by faith. . the eternal. Not by sight the temporal historical

The apostles became so confused they decided to elect a new Alfa dog. throwing Jesus, the Son of man under the bus .

Because of parables the Son of man Jesus was most misunderstood man that ever walked on water.

His own family rejecting the understanding of the parables which without the Father spoke not through his apostle Jesus the Son of man

Luke 9:43-46 And they were all amazed (not believed) at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered (not understanding) every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples ,Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.;Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest.(they thought Jesus went off the deep end )

Then the unbelieving apostles thought Jesus was tricking them as if he was going to Jerusalem but rather had sent other apostles to prepare the nearing of the gospel . because they had no faith that could please the father .

They demanded that God not seen bring down fire and consume them to establish the pagan oral tradition . . "Out of sight out of mind" Or if we cannot see God then he simply does not exist. Gods calls foools

Luke 9:51-55 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,;And sent messengers before his face: and they (the racist ones) went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.;And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

 

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Replacement theology is a Christian theological view asserting that the church has replaced or superseded Israel as God's chosen people. It's often referred to as supersessionism, and suggests that the church, as the true Israel, has fulfilled the promises and covenant made to the Jewish people. This idea has been a point of contention and debate within Christianity, with some rejecting it while others continue to hold it.

* Some verses used to support replacement theology are...

(Mat 21:42) 'Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the Scriptures,
'The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner:
this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(Mat 21:43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(Mat 21:44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken:
but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.'

Hello @B-A-C,

The portion you highlighted, 'The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes,' is a quotation from Psalm 118:22, which itself refers to Gen 49:24, in relation to, 'The Stone'. But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, The Stone Of Israel - which confirms that, 'The Stone', which the builders rejected, Who has become, 'Head Of The Corner', is, 'The Stone of Israel', or, 'The Messiah'.:- 'Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: ...' (Isa 28:16a)

* In Matt. 21:43 and the words, 'The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.' This refers to the new Israel, as prophesied in Isaiah 66:7-14:-

'Before she travailed, she brought forth;
.. before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
.... Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things?
...... Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day?
........ or shall a nation be born at once?
.......... for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
............ Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD:
.............. shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her:
.. rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
.... That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations;
...... that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
........ For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river,
.......... and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream:
............ then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon her knees.
As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you;
.. and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
.... And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb:
...... and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward His servants,
........ and His indignation toward His enemies.'
(Isa 66:7-14)

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day,
and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,
which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar;
The LORD of hosts is His Name:
IF those ordinances depart from before Me, saith the LORD,
.. then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
.... Thus saith the LORD;
IF heaven above can be measured,
.. and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
.... I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.'
(Jer 31:35-37)

Praise God!

 

[Rxlx]

There was a period of time in the old testament this was true, (You already posted 2Kings 17) but that isn't what made them Samaritans.
In fact Samaria existed long before that happened. 1Kings mentions Samaria over a dozen times.

Samaria existed since the Ten Tribes separated from the Two Tribes Plus One of Judah sometime around 930 BC on King Solomon's death.
The Samaritans of Jesus's day were pagans with a gloss of true worship of GOD.

 

[Rxlx]

.... I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.'
(Jer 31:35-37)

Praise God!

I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.'
(Jer 31:35-37)
Jeremiah was speaking of the Israelites turning to worship idols and burning their babies in idols of Moloch. GOD then allowed them to be defeated, conquered and reduced in number and renamed several times.

But as in the Garden of Eden He had said a descendant of Eve would crush Satan. He kept an eye on the Ten Tribes through all their wanderings and not a grain of them has or will fall without Him noting it - and perhaps recording them in the Book of Life that will be opened on Judgment Day.

Satan succeeded in killing Jesus temporarily and is still ruling Earth but he must keep looking over his shoulder to see if Jesus's foot is coming to crush him and cast him into an eternal lake of fire.

 

[Rhema]

try read the New Testament in translated English?

I don't need to. I read the Greek directly.

the immigrated Samaritans did continue to worship their idols and old imaginary gods alongside what the one priest who had been ordered to return from deportation.

Supportive proof, please. Otherwise I'll just toss this in the bin with all the rest.

One modern preacher says this:

Whoopee... I shan't waste my time.

I've just been trying to get one 'edcuated person' on another forum to realise that Jesus's parable of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable but he refuses that and claims it is proof of dead peopel going to either heaven or hell...

Stupid is as stupid believes. Good luck.

 

[Garee]

I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.'
(Jer 31:35-37)
Jeremiah was speaking of the Israelites turning to worship idols and burning their babies in idols of Moloch. GOD then allowed them to be defeated, conquered and reduced in number and renamed several times.

But as in the Garden of Eden He had said a descendant of Eve would crush Satan. He kept an eye on the Ten Tribes through all their wanderings and not a grain of them has or will fall without Him noting it - and perhaps recording them in the Book of Life that will be opened on Judgment Day.

Satan succeeded in killing Jesus temporarily and is still ruling Earth but he must keep looking over his shoulder to see if Jesus's foot is coming to crush him and cast him into an eternal lake of fire.

Not all is born again Israel some remained unconverted in Jacob Just like today not all that claim to be Christian's are God looks to the heart not dying flesh

Yes, Isreal the born-again spiritual (unseen) seed (Christ) that works in sons of God. Previously Jacob the deceiver or one that grabs the heel of the first born destroying the born again doctrine

Genesis 25:26And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

Genesis 32:27-And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. ;And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The promise according to Israh 62 to re-name his bride of all the nations of the world a new named which the Father did name in Acts. Christan a demonym (people identified by location) more befitting name to name the bride of all nation. Literally meaning "residents of the city of Christ" prepared for his bride named after its founder and husband, Christ.

Sound the D Trump make the word Christian great again

 

[Rxlx]

Not all is born again Israel some remained unconverted in Jacob Just like today not all that claim to be Christian's are God looks to the heart not dying flesh

Yes, Isreal the born-again spiritual (unseen) seed (Christ) that works in sons of God. Previously Jacob the deceiver or one that grabs the heel of the first born destroying the born again doctrine

Genesis 25:26And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.

Genesis 32:27-And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. ;And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

The promise according to Israh 62 to re-name his bride of all the nations of the world a new named which the Father did name in Acts. Christan a demonym (people identified by location) more befitting name to name the bride of all nation. Literally meaning "residents of the city of Christ" prepared for his bride named after its founder and husband, Christ.

Sound the D Trump make the word Christian great again

Why call Jacob the deciever? He had the birthright of GOD.