To us Jesus has died and has risen. To our divine Judge it is at every moment in the past, it is at every moment in the future and is is precisely now as I write this and precisely now as you read this. Just because you don't see the deep truths in His divine plan doesn't mean they aren't there. Reaching "logical to you" conclusions that contradict God's biblically stated character should trigger the fear and trembling part. In His kingdom we'll know in full and our presence there is 100% on Him.
Reconciled to God while enemies !
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no, you've been lying about what i said for some time now.
i said everyone is tested in this lifetime, according to their abilities. -and in my experience, the younger you are, the more likely you are to choose to follow Jesus when you meet him in real life after death. but those evil children who harden their hearts and kill people starting as early as 12 years of age, well,. they won't accept forgiveness when they are killed.
https://abc7chicago.com/post/carjacking-chicago-11-year-old-suspect-police-cpd/11282024/
List of youngest killers - Wikipedia
there is no mechanism besides re-incarnation to get back to this earth again after "you" die.
from some points of view, the future has already happened as well. so i can see an argument for retroactive and what's the opposite of that, future salvation for people not yet created, they are already saved in a sense. it seems to be outside of time.
so trying to interpret paul's letters when, one of the very verses BF's argument rests on, starts with an "IF" we are reconciled to God, well,
yes, IF we were reconciled to God while we were sinners before we had faith.. well, then WHAT IF God made vessels for destruction that are not included in this "Reconciled to God" portion.
I don't believe Paul would make an argument involving a what if clause, if he didn't believe there are real people contained in that clause.
so yes i believe paul believed there are people who were made by God to be vessels for destruction. -I am not saying I believe that is true.
Nah, bright fame is reading you the english straight out of pauls letters.
I dont actually agree with him, because i think the english may be wrong. But, it is what the English says.
Also: yes.. the judgement is litterally Jesus cherry picking people for heaven.
Jesus is looking for fruit. He told us that much, in many parables.
The only hyper dispensationalist i know in real life: told me only acts chapt X through i forget, applied to us.
But he also confessed he knew God had given him wealth because he was called to feed the poor. And he had not. And he litterally told me God was asking him "where is your fruit? I called you to feed the poor".
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.