Predestination

[B-A-C]

2 Pet 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

 

[Rhema]

Aren't we washed clean by the blood of the Lamb?

Where did Jesus preach this?

 

[Rhema]

2 Pet 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

Then you'd better repent and turn Catholic.

 

[Rockerduck]

Where did Jesus preach this?

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[Garee]

For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.​

- Jeremiah 7:22 NRSV

What would that have to do with what offered?

 

[Rhema]

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Revelation is not in our canon (never was), nor should it be in yours.

It wasn't officially scripture until voted upon at the Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa (A.D. 393), after being noted as spurious by most Bishops at Nicaea (cf. Eusebius). I doubt it would take 350 some odd years for God to make up his mind.

Even then, though, Rev 1:5 is not a quote from Jesus, but rather an attribute listed by the author.

So... where did Jesus (himself) say this?

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

What would that have to do with what offered?

Right. I keep forgetting that posting any reply to you is a mistake.

You have a nice day.
Rhema

 

[Garee]

Right. I keep forgetting that posting any reply to you is a mistake.

You have a nice day.
Rhema

Thanks for the reply.

It's your responsibility to learn how to rightly interpret the parables which without Christ our husband spoke not.

The prescription is there you have the responsibly to do the mixing of the temporal historical compared to the unseen eternal

Note . . .(Black bolded . . the temporal historical dying things seen

Note. . .(Red bolded the unseen eternal things

Note .. . .(Green bolded born again believers

2 Corinthians 4:181;While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

Hebrew 4: Informs the believer if there is no mixing of the temporal historical then there can be no gospel understanding. . . hid from the lost

Hebrews 4:1-2 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

 

[Rockerduck]

Revelation is not in our canon (never was), nor should it be in yours.

It wasn't officially scripture until voted upon at the Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa (A.D. 393), after being noted as spurious by most Bishops at Nicaea (cf. Eusebius). I doubt it would take 350 some odd years for God to make up his mind.

Even then, though, Rev 1:5 is not a quote from Jesus, but rather an attribute listed by the author.

So... where did Jesus (himself) say this?

Thanks,
Rhema

I use the King James Bible. It's all there. I don't care if you aren't "washed by the Blood of Jesus", I am, and I am proud of it. I know who my savior is. It is by His Blood I am saved.

 

[Rhema]

It is by His Blood I am saved.

People have the freedom in this country to believe whatever religious fantasy they so desire.

All I asked is where Jesus said what you did. And you couldn't find it for me, and then got all snippy. I'd ask that you remember that.

I am, and I am proud of it. I know who my savior is.

I am sure most all Catholics are proud of their religion. As are all the Jews I've ever met. (And Buddhists.)

I don't care if you aren't "washed by the Blood of Jesus",

That shows a measure of callous disregard that I find rather incredible among the followers of Jesus.

I care that you likely don't know what is meant by "blood."

But I see you don't have the time or inclination.

But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.​

- Luke 5:38-39 KJV

Rhema

 

[Garee]

People have the freedom in this country to believe whatever religious fantasy they so desire.

All I asked is where Jesus said what you did. And you couldn't find it for me, and then got all snippy. I'd ask that you remember that.


I am sure most all Catholics are proud of their religion. As are all the Jews I've ever met. (And Buddhists.)


That shows a measure of callous disregard that I find rather incredible among the followers of Jesus.

I care that you likely don't know what is meant by "blood."

But I see you don't have the time or inclination.

But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.​

- Luke 5:38-39 KJV

Rhema

What is meant by blood?

 

[Rockerduck]

People have the freedom in this country to believe whatever religious fantasy they so desire.

All I asked is where Jesus said what you did. And you couldn't find it for me, and then got all snippy. I'd ask that you remember that.


I am sure most all Catholics are proud of their religion. As are all the Jews I've ever met. (And Buddhists.)


That shows a measure of callous disregard that I find rather incredible among the followers of Jesus.

I care that you likely don't know what is meant by "blood."

But I see you don't have the time or inclination.

But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.​

- Luke 5:38-39 KJV

Rhema

All you speak is vitriol and no love. I'm washed in the Blood of Jesus. I'll sing "nothing but the blood" and "are you washed in the Blood", and "Blessed Assurance", all the days of my remaining life. More agree with me than you.

 

[Garee]

All you speak is vitriol and no love. I'm washed in the Blood of Jesus. I'll sing "nothing but the blood" and "are you washed in the Blood", and "Blessed Assurance", all the days of my remaining life. More agree with me than you.

Lovely songs.

In parables like "eat flesh drink blood" spoken of in John 6. In respect to the parable Jesus said his dying flesh profits for nothing .We can understand that the Spirit life of Christ that works in us is in the blood but that life is spiritual (invisible )

During all sacrifices as ceremonial law or shadows the spiritless blood was to be poured out so that is could return to dust

Living sacrifice not dead .

Blood like water is used in parables to represent inspired from heaven falling down like rain bringing new cborn again growth.


Deuteronomy. 32:1-2 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.;My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Representing the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on the flesh of dying mankind in jeapordy of his own Holy Spirit life .

The parable in John 6 must be compared to like "drink blood" parables

Again the parable represents the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on the flesh of dying mankind in jeapordy of his own Holy Spirit life

Christ working in David. Sent David imprisoned a desire for hearing of the gospel giving him a living hope.

Using water and blood in the doctrines of God that he poured out as water all forms rain dew etc the well near Bethlehem the city of bread, or flesh.by the born again well the living water. the water turned to the blood of grapes or wine David would not drink it knowing it was reserved for the pouring out of the father in jeapordy of his own spirit life

2 Samuel 23:16-17And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem,(flesh) that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord.And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

Using three in that parable to denote the end of a matter. Sent three apostles with gospel water called the work, of blood , or blood work

 

[Rhema]

More agree with me than you.

So truth is established by the majority.

Again, something Jesus never said. Actually, a thing Jesus contradicted.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.​

- Matthew 7:13-14 KJV

All you speak is vitriol and no love.

(Says he in emotional vitriol. The one who couldn't care less about me.)

Amazing what delusions people can convince themselves of.

I'll sing "nothing but the blood" and "are you washed in the Blood", and "Blessed Assurance", all the days of my remaining life.

Same thing as praying the Rosary. Nothing different. I've heard it all before.

Too bad none of it is true. (Too bad you really and truly don't care.)

Rhema

More agree with me than you.

What are you, eight years old?

 

[Kermos]

There’s a pastor on YouTube who’s studied Scripture, especially the original Greek texts from the Interlinnear Bible & he’s in his mid eighties and has been studying over 60 years.
Some of his conclusions center around predestination. Paul mentions this quite a bit. Basically this pastor states God- before the foundation of time - has already selected His elect (victims of mercy) and God has created vessels of wrath fitted for destruction, meaning I guess they were born and designed for hell.
He states God doesn’t love everyone - quoting from Romans about God hating Essau but loving Jacob. Disagree if you want but, yes, it’s there.
I have my suspicions but am not saved so I’m just throwing it out there for any feedback.

Hello,

It's clear that you understand predestination is tightly-coupled with the Truth (John 14:6) that the love of Christ controls us believers (2 Corinthians 5:14).

It is also clear something within you is stirring. You did bring up hell which indicates an awareness of the wrath of God. When you wrote "I" "am not saved", you made abundantly clear that you believe that you are under the terror that is the wrath of God.

Lord Jesus says slander against the Spirit will not be forgiven (Matthew 12:31-32), so God forgives not a single sin.; therefore, adultery is not beyond God's mercy, yet, bear in mind, Lord Jesus also commanded go and sin no more (John 8:11, see also John 5:14).

 

[Rockerduck]

So truth is established by the majority.

Again, something Jesus never said. Actually, a thing Jesus contradicted.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.​

- Matthew 7:13-14 KJV


(Says he in emotional vitriol. The one who couldn't care less about me.)

Amazing what delusions people can convince themselves of.


Same thing as praying the Rosary. Nothing different. I've heard it all before.

Too bad none of it is true. (Too bad you really and truly don't care.)

Rhema




What are you, eight years old?

Are you baby to talk condescending to me. There is a fountain, and There is Power in the blood. You seem to think you are high on that highchair to talk down to people.

 

[Garee]

Same thing as praying the Rosary. Nothing different. I've heard it all before.

Too bad none of it is true. (Too bad you really and truly don't care.)

I would say some possibly not none. None for Rosary

Songs that sing of the love of the God of the written word .(sola scriptura) Unlike Rosary as if God was still bringing new prophecy. . another kind of spirit. Not of Christ

 

[Rhema]

Are you baby to talk condescending to me. There is a fountain, and There is Power in the blood. You seem to think you are high on that highchair to talk down to people.

Is it possible to have a civil and intelligent conversation with you? One that does not devolve into you having a childish emotional fit? The sentence "Are you baby to talk condescending to me." doesn't even make sense. Your tenth grade English teacher has failed you.

I would point out, though, that your hymn books are not scripture. Can we at least agree on this?

Rhema

 

[Rockerduck]

Is it possible to have a civil and intelligent conversation with you? One that does not devolve into you having a childish emotional fit? The sentence "Are you baby to talk condescending to me." doesn't even make sense. Your tenth grade English teacher has failed you.

I would point out, though, that your hymn books are not scripture. Can we at least agree on this?

Rhema

You said," What are you, eight years old?" You started the uncivil discourse.
You said, "Revelation is not in our canon (never was), nor should it be in yours." You started it.
Another verse for you;

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Is this verse in your bible?

 

[Rhema]

You started it.

What an eight year old would say. (Hence my question.)

More agree with me than you.

Another thing an eight year old would say. (Hence my question.)

You said, "Revelation is not in our canon (never was), nor should it be in yours." You started it.

Started what? I stated two facts.

Revelation is not in our canon.​

Revelation should not be in your canon.​

So, to my final question... Can you have a civil conversation?

It's not looking too good at the moment.

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Is this verse in your bible?

You're giving me words from "John." I had asked where Jesus said this.

It would seem I have to summarize the conversation so we can stay on point.
(Rockerduck) Accepting Christ as your savior erases your sins because Jesus forgives them.
(Rhema) Yet didn't Jesus teach that the Father forgives sin?
(Rockerduck) Aren't we washed clean by the blood of the Lamb?
(Rhema) Where did Jesus preach this?
(Rockerduck) Revelation 1:5
(Rhema) Rev 1:5 is not a quote from Jesus. So... where did Jesus (himself) say this?

At this point, instead of dealing with the content of my post, which is extremely clear... (What did Jesus preach, where did Jesus say this, Jesus HIMSELF?) you went on some kind of histrionic melt down about the King James Bible, never actually providing an answer to my questions. (Do I need to actually quote this?)

And STILL, instead of quoting the LOGOS (Teachings) of Jesus as recorded in the Gospels, you give me words from some other person.

BUT... despite your refusal to actually answer my questions, I will answer yours.

Is this verse in your bible?

Actually yes. But I can state without doubt or hesitation that you don't know what "blood" means in this verse. And while I'm pretty sure I know what your church told you it meant, what you think it means is not what Jesus actually said.

And that's the conversation I would like to have. (If you could cool your jets.)

So.... are these verses in your Bible?

And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is poured into many for the forgiveness of sins.​

- Matthew 26:27-28

It's easy to see that Jesus literally said "THIS" is my blood. But I ask, what is the This?

Thanks kindly,
Rhema

Now just to skip ahead here and save some time, the text absolutely does NOT say, "This represents my blood." I just want to know what the "this" is that's in the cup.