Possibly the greatest post of all time...

[The Gospel of Christ]

I have to say, GOC, that you're one of the most disrespectful people that I've ever met on this website (and that's saying a lot). Who said it was poetry? (Stop putting words in my mouth.) And yes, it was a covenant, since the word covenant is directly written in text. (So stop playing Straw Man.)

But you still quote an INACCURATE translation, so NO, Jesus did not say what you quoted (and you still haven't had the respect to follow forum guidelines that require one to identify the translation used). Where is the word INTO in your repeated quote of Mat. 26:28?

You will NEVER find the truth if you use a Satanic translation. Surely you're smart enough to know that the New Testament texts were published in Greek. You want to know what Jesus said? HERE: This is what he said...

τουτο γαρ εστιν το αιμα μου το της καινης διαθηκης το περι πολλων εκχυνομενον εις αφεσιν αμαρτιων

So stop lying about what Jesus said and address the problem of your defective translation. Can you? Can you be honest and read what is written without having an emotional breakdown? (Actually, you can't. You can't read Greek, can you? Can you be honest and admit that?)

Where's the word INTO ??? It's a legitimate question that ought to shake the resolve of any intelligent person. Instead, you seemed to have doubled down on your certainty about things of which you don't know.

I gave you the correct and DIRECT translation of the Greek text, with links to a Lexicon that proves your translation is satanic. Deal with it.

(Matthew 26:28 Textus Receptus with interlinear) τουτο (THIS) γαρ (FOR) εστιν (IS) το (THE) αιμα (BLOOD) μου (OF ME) το της (OF THE) καινης (NEW) διαθηκης (COVENANT) το (WHICH) περι (ON BEHALF OF) πολλων (MANY) εκχυνομενον (IS POURING FORTH) εις (INTO) αφεσιν (FORGIVENESS) αμαρτιων (OF SIN).

For THIS is the blood of me of the new covenant which on behalf of many is pouring forth INTO the forgiveness of sin.​

- Mat. 26:28 First Draft Gloss

Simply speaking, if you describe what happened to any intelligent child; that Jesus gave them the cup; that Jesus had them drink what was in the cup; that Jesus then said "THIS is my blood." If you ask them what the THIS is, they will say WINE.

You can't even have the respect to answer my question of WHAT WAS IN THE CUP?

So, What was in the Cup?

For now, I'll ignore most of the other stuff you posted, and see if you can give a respectful answer.

COG, What was in the Cup?

Blessings,
Rhema

Rhema, you already answered your own question.
What was in the cup? Wine.
What did Jesus say it represented? His blood of the new covenant, poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

You're so obsessed with the word "into" that you've missed the entire meaning.

The blood wasn’t poetry. It wasn’t metaphor. It was covenant.
And if you can’t see that because you're too busy parsing Greek syllables while ignoring the Gospel — then you’ve traded the Spirit for a dictionary.

God help you.

 

[Rhema]

You're so obsessed with the word "into" that you've missed the entire meaning.

One cannot understand the meaning of any sentence if the sentence is missing words. How is that not obvious? One ought to be obsessed that the correct words are used when translating the words of Jesus. It's amazing that this not only doesn't bother you, but that you would use it as a weapon against me to dismiss the actual meaning behind these words.

And I know what the meaning is. And I realize that 2,000 years ago it was a given belief that any covenant had to have blood. But Jesus said that THIS (the wine) is to be considered the blood of his covenant and that this "blood" is to be poured into many. The wine is the Holy Spirit that is poured into many after their sins are forgiven.

Rhema, you already answered your own question.
What was in the cup? Wine.
What did Jesus say it represented? His blood of the new covenant, poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Missing the word INTO leads everyone to a false conclusion. The Wine is poured out INTO many.

Yes, Wine is in the cup. Yes, Jesus had them drink wine. And THIS, the Wine, is the blood of His covenant.

But you along with the rest of the misled Christians read it backwards to mean, His blood is the blood of His covenant. Yet that's just not what the texts actualy say. His blood is not the blood.... the WINE is the blood of His covenant, and (in one of these threads) I clearly showed what Jesus taught about Wine - the New Wine of the New Covenant. The "blood" of the New Covenant is the Wine of the Holy Spirit that is poured INTO men after their sins are forgiven by the Father because they repented.

Here is what Jesus said the Wine Represented -

Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.​

(Matthew 9:17 KJV)

And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.​

(Mark 2:22 KJV)

And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.​

(Luke 5:37-39 KJV)

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:​

(Acts 2:13-17 KJV)

The New Wine is the Spirit being poured out upon and into those who believe.

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ​

(Acts 2:37-38 KJV)

The Holy Ghost is the Wine (blood) of Jesus' covenant.

But maybe what bothers you is that you don't have the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit, though no doubt you're convince you do. Others might disagree.

The blood wasn’t poetry. It wasn’t metaphor. It was covenant.

Indeed. No one said it was poetry, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit isn't metaphor. It's the SEAL of the Covenant one has with Jesus. The seal of the Covenant of Abraham was circumcision. The Seal of the Covenant of Jesus is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit - the New Wine of His covenant. Just as the Bread is the body of His teaching.

And if you can’t see that because you're too busy parsing Greek syllables while ignoring the Gospel

If you can't read Greek, then you're not reading the Gospel. You don't know what the Gospel actually is because your translation is disfigured and mutilated. You have a form of some "Gospel" but maybe you should spell it out for me. What is this Gospel Then? (And God help you.)

But maybe you want me to go first?

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​

(Mark 1:14-15 KJV)

If Jesus came preaching the Gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached, and none other.

(Can we agree on that?)

Rhema

 

[Garee]

But you along with the rest of the misled Christians read it backwards to mean, His blood is the blood of His covenant. Yet that's just not what the texts actualy say. His blood is not the blood.... the WINE is the blood of His covenant, and (in one of these threads) I clearly showed what Jesus taught about Wine - the New Wine of the New Covenant. The "blood" of the New Covenant is the Wine of the Holy Spirit that is poured INTO men after their sins are forgiven by the Father because they repented.

I would offer the word wine must be defined as it is used in various parables.

It would seem the word wine means "anything that can intoxicate or invigorate" as false pride.

The loving commandment is I is do not be drunk or intoxicated on wine it causes His Spirit to dissipate in exchange for a sleeping hangover spirit.

A little wine is good for one's soul. Too much honey and the little we are given is vomited out like Jonah rebellious the racist.

Wine like other metaphors below represent the richness of the word of the gospel.

Have a cup of coffee with a little whipped cream. Thank him for the wine.

Genesis 27:28Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:

Wine and dine meaning to entertain.

 

[B-A-C]

It would seem the word wine means "anything that can intoxicate or invigorate" as false pride.

Mark 2:21 "No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results.
Mark 2:22 "No one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins."
There is a real danger with trying to cross reference every word in the Bible with every other instance of the same word in the Bible.
Sometimes they have absolutely nothing at all to do with each other.
Luke 5:35 "But the days will come; and when the bridegroom is taken away from them, then they will fast in those days."
Luke 5:36 And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old.
Luke 5:37 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined.
Luke 5:38 "But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.
Luke 5:39 "And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, 'The old is good enough.'"
Rev 14:10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:19 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.
Rev 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.

I dare say, none of these verses have anything to do with intoxication or false pride.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

One cannot understand the meaning of any sentence if the sentence is missing words. How is that not obvious? One ought to be obsessed that the correct words are used when translating the words of Jesus. It's amazing that this not only doesn't bother you, but that you would use it as a weapon against me to dismiss the actual meaning behind these words.

And I know what the meaning is. And I realize that 2,000 years ago it was a given belief that any covenant had to have blood. But Jesus said that THIS (the wine) is to be considered the blood of his covenant and that this "blood" is to be poured into many. The wine is the Holy Spirit that is poured into many after their sins are forgiven.


Missing the word INTO leads everyone to a false conclusion. The Wine is poured out INTO many.

Yes, Wine is in the cup. Yes, Jesus had them drink wine. And THIS, the Wine, is the blood of His covenant.

But you along with the rest of the misled Christians read it backwards to mean, His blood is the blood of His covenant. Yet that's just not what the texts actualy say. His blood is not the blood.... the WINE is the blood of His covenant, and (in one of these threads) I clearly showed what Jesus taught about Wine - the New Wine of the New Covenant. The "blood" of the New Covenant is the Wine of the Holy Spirit that is poured INTO men after their sins are forgiven by the Father because they repented.

Here is what Jesus said the Wine Represented -

Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.​

(Matthew 9:17 KJV)

And no man putteth new wine into old bottles: else the new wine doth burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.​

(Mark 2:22 KJV)

And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.​

(Luke 5:37-39 KJV)

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:​

(Acts 2:13-17 KJV)

The New Wine is the Spirit being poured out upon and into those who believe.

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ​

(Acts 2:37-38 KJV)

The Holy Ghost is the Wine (blood) of Jesus' covenant.

But maybe what bothers you is that you don't have the indwelling or baptism of the Holy Spirit, though no doubt you're convince you do. Others might disagree.


Indeed. No one said it was poetry, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit isn't metaphor. It's the SEAL of the Covenant one has with Jesus. The seal of the Covenant of Abraham was circumcision. The Seal of the Covenant of Jesus is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit - the New Wine of His covenant. Just as the Bread is the body of His teaching.


If you can't read Greek, then you're not reading the Gospel. You don't know what the Gospel actually is because your translation is disfigured and mutilated. You have a form of some "Gospel" but maybe you should spell it out for me. What is this Gospel Then? (And God help you.)

But maybe you want me to go first?

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.​

(Mark 1:14-15 KJV)

If Jesus came preaching the Gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached, and none other.

(Can we agree on that?)

Rhema

Rhema, you’ve built an entire religion out of a preposition (“into”), a metaphor stretched past breaking point, and a total unwillingness to believe Jesus when He speaks plainly.

“THIS is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
— Matthew 26:28

He didn’t say the wine was a symbol of the Holy Spirit.
He didn’t say “this wine will become blood if you qualify later.”
He didn’t say “you’ll receive this blood once the Father forgives you in a private ceremony of post-repentance enlightenment.”

He said:
“THIS is My blood... poured out... for the forgiveness of sins.”

And you — in full-blown Gnostic form — have flipped that upside down and turned wine into spirit, blood into symbol, and the covenant into a metaphorical baptism ritual only the enlightened few receive after they earn it.

You quote Matthew 9, Mark 2, and Luke 5 about “new wine in new wineskins” like it proves your point — but that passage has nothing to do with the Last Supper.
It’s about the newness of the Kingdom not fitting the rigid structures of Pharisaic religion.
It’s about law vs. grace.
Not about the wine being the Holy Spirit.

And your attempt to make Acts 2 prove your point is equally dishonest:

Yes, Peter says the Spirit is poured out — but he never calls the Spirit the “blood of the covenant.”
Peter doesn't dare redefine Jesus’ blood as metaphor.
And neither did the apostles. Only you.

Let’s be blunt:
You don’t preach the Gospel.
You preach initiation mysticism wrapped in first-century elitism, where the Holy Spirit is the new priesthood and Greek syntax is the new temple veil.

And you keep trying to trap me with this question:
“What is the Gospel, then?”

Fine. Here it is.
“Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you... that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day…” — 1 Corinthians 15:1–4

That’s the Gospel:
Christ crucified for our sins.
Not “wine metaphors.”
Not “Holy Spirit juice.”
Not “inner light post-repentance soul infusion.”

Just this:
The Lamb of God — slain for the forgiveness of sin.

You ask me if we can agree that “the Gospel is what Jesus preached.”
Sure. But let’s let Jesus define that — not you.

“This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”
— Jesus, the night before the Cross

If you reject that?
Then you reject Him.

You’re not contending for truth.
You’re attacking the foundation of the faith.
And if your gospel redefines the blood, replaces the cross, and condemns believers because they aren’t mystically enlightened enough to drink your invisible spirit-wine...

Then it’s not the Gospel at all.
It’s a lie — from the pit — wearing Jesus’ name like a stolen robe.

Repent.
The blood wasn’t poetry.
It was poured out.
And if you keep mocking it, the next cup you drink won’t be the new wine.
It will be the cup of wrath. (Revelation 14:10)

 

[Garee]

Mark 2:21 "No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results.
Mark 2:22 "No one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins."
There is a real danger with trying to cross reference every word in the Bible with every other instance of the same word in the Bible.
Sometimes they have absolutely nothing at all to do with each other.
Luke 5:35 "But the days will come; and when the bridegroom is taken away from them, then they will fast in those days."
Luke 5:36 And He was also telling them a parable: "No one tears a piece of cloth from a new garment and puts it on an old garment; otherwise he will both tear the new, and the piece from the new will not match the old.
Luke 5:37 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined.
Luke 5:38 "But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins.
Luke 5:39 "And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, 'The old is good enough.'"
Rev 14:10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:19 So the angel swung his sickle to the earth and gathered the clusters from the vine of the earth, and threw them into the great wine press of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the wine press was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles.
Rev 16:19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.

I dare say, none of these verses have anything to do with intoxication or false pride.

Thanks,

Adding to the word represents false pride

A little medicine intoxicant for the soul can brighten one's eyes. But it is not a cure for dying.

Too much intoxicant then the little suffering release given is vomited out

1 Samuel 14:27 But Jonathan heard not when his father charged the people with the oath: wherefore he put forth the end of the rod that was in his hand, and dipped it in an honeycomb, and put his hand to his mouth; and his eyes were enlightened.

Do not be drunk or high on things that cause intoxication Follow the prescription

Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Matthew 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken.

1 Samuel 14:29Then said Jonathan, My father hath troubled the land: see, I pray you, how mine eyes have been enlightened, because I tasted a little of this honey.

Proverbs 25:27It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.

Ecclesiastes 7:1-5 A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.;It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools

Like the parable with Johnathon, Samson is used in the same way. Strengthened by the honey of the word.

Judges 14:8 And after a time he returned to take her, and he turned aside to see the carcase of the lion: and, behold, there was a swarm of bees and honey in the carcase of the lion. And he took thereof in his hands, and went on eating, and came to his father and mother, and he gave them, and they did eat: but he told not them that he had taken the honey out of the carcase of the lion.

Reminds be or Mary Popkins

Just a spoon full of sugar makes the medicine go down Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way The honey bees that fetch the nectar From the flowers to the comb Never tire of ever buzzing to and fro
Because they take a little nip From every flower that they sip And hence (and hence) They find (they find) Their task is not a grind