Possibly the greatest post of all time...

[Garee]

Here’s the problem:

Most of you Dispensationalists don’t even know who or what "Israel" is.
I’d testify to that in a court of law.
And if there were a lie detector wired to an electric chair, I’d volunteer to sit in it — just to declare the truth that you have no clue what Israel actually is… and I’d walk away without a single shock.

You’ve been so thoroughly brainwashed by dispensationalist fantasy that nearly every time the word “Israel” appears in the New Testament, you have no idea who Jesus or the apostles are talking about.

You’ve built your entire eschatology on a lie — propping up a Christ-rejecting nation, clinging to a 2,000-year-old corpse of a covenant God already fulfilled, while trampling the blood of the New.

The true Israel of God has never been a flag or a border — it’s always been the remnant who believe.

Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

^ This obliterates the myth that ethnic Jews are automatically heirs to God’s promises.
→ The true heirs are those in Christ — period. No dual covenant. No ethnic loophole.

Romans 9:6–8
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel...
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God;
but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

^ This drives the dagger straight into the heart of ethnic presumption.
Being Jewish by blood means nothing without faith — that’s Paul’s entire point.

And let’s not kid ourselves and talk about the 70 ton elephant in the room while we're here.
You know, the one draped in a blue-and-white flag, stomping around the Middle East claiming to be “God’s chosen” while rejecting His Son.

The one propped up not by God, but by U.N. tanks, Rothschild cash, and a Scofield Bible in every evangelical pew.
Yeah… that elephant.

Benjamin Netanyahu — born Ben Mileikowsky — is a white Eastern European.
A bonafide Gentile convert — not a "descendant of Abraham".
And neither are 95%+ of today’s False Israel™ population — mostly Gentile converts from Khazaria, Russia, and Eastern Europe, not "descendants of Abraham".

They are not the seed of Moses, Aaron, or David.
They are the sons & daughters of conversion, not covenant.
Their ancestors didn’t adopt Talmudic Judaism until 740 A.D., under King Bulan of Khazaria — a forced conversion, political move, not a divine calling.

The elites know this.
The Vatican knows it.
The Muslim world definitely knows it.

And yet, a nation of Scofield-fed evangelicals continues to bow before this golden calf, chanting “God’s chosen!” while they trample the Cross and ignore the Body of Christ — the true Israel of God.

The veil here isn’t just thick — it’s suffocating.

And here’s the non-negotiable truth of the Gospel:
Even if Netanyahu could produce a perfect DNA scroll tracing his bloodline to Abraham himself…
It wouldn’t matter.

Without Christ — he’s lost.

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” — John 14:6

That includes kings, rabbis, priests, prophets — and prime ministers.
And let’s not forget the army of Eastern Europeans and Russians who somehow “discovered” they’re direct descendants of King David — right around the time Zionism needed a bloodline. <eye roll goes here>
Spoiler: they’re about as "Biblical Israelite" and ancient Hebrew as a potato.

If Moses and Abraham stepped out of a time machine into downtown Tel Aviv tomorrow, they’d stare in disbelief and say:
“Did we take a wrong turn into Warsaw? This isn’t the tribe of Judah — these are strangers in the land. Foreigners dressed in borrowed names.”

Moses squints at the skyline, turns to Abraham and says:
“I don’t see Israel — I see impostors in our inheritance.”

Abraham, looking at the crowd:
“These aren’t our descendants. These are European tourists playing dress-up with our covenant.”


If the satanic elite hadn’t hijacked prophecy and violently annexed Palestine in 1948 — installing False Israel™ with U.N. tanks and Rothschild money — you wouldn’t even be preaching this theological abomination.
You’d still be confessing what every faithful Christian knew for 1,800 years:
That the Body of Christ is Israel.
And always was.

“For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.” — Philippians 3:3

“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation...” — 1 Peter 2:9

Imagine the saints in 1954 — faithful Christians on their deathbeds after 80 years of serving Christ — suddenly hearing:

“The real Israel isn’t the Church after all. It’s a new secular state in the Middle East!”

You can picture their response:

“What in God’s name are these people talking about?!"
"Who are these demons behind the pulpit on my television?"
"The Church is Israel. The Body of Christ is Israel."
"This isn’t prophecy — this is blasphemy in broad daylight.
God help us all!”

And they were right.
And you — and every dispensationalist clinging to Scofield’s fraud — are dead wrong.

Scofield didn’t teach revelation.
He taught replacement theology in reverse — replacing the Church with a Christless state and calling it prophecy.

“Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist — denying the Father and the Son.” — 1 John 2:22

You’ve bought it wholesale.
Not realizing the system you defend is the beast’s counterfeit kingdom — not Christ’s.

If the words of Jesus don’t define Israel for you — neither does God.
“This is My beloved Son... listen to Him.” — Matthew 17:5
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

You’re not defending truth.
You’re defending an idol in the desert.

And when the true King returns, He’s not coming to sit in Tel Aviv.
He’s coming to judge the nations — and He’s starting with those who lied in His name.

You still want a third temple because you don’t know who Israel is.
You think God’s covenant is with a nation built by U.N. fiat and global bankers — not with the Body of Christ.
You’ve rejected the true Temple — Jesus — and now you’re trying to rebuild the very house He left desolate.

You’re not waiting on prophecy.
You’re resurrecting rebellion.

The only reason dispensationalists crave stone and blood sacrifices is because they’ve never understood the Cross.
They don’t realize that we — the Body of Christ — are the temple.

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” — 1 Corinthians 3:16
“Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.” — Ephesians 2:20

You’re not lifting up God.
You’re defending a man-made idol — propped up by unbelief and nationalism.

You now bow to a political state filled with people whose ancestors didn’t follow God — but converted under Khazarian rule and built their religion not on the Torah… but on the Satanic, Anti-Christ, Talmud.

And being as tricked and deceived as humanly possible, you call these European identity thieves "Biblical, ethnic Jews" — while they mock the Body of Christ, the very people Jesus died to redeem. They must laugh themselves to sleep — watching evangelicals fund their empire, defend their rebellion, and quote Scofield like it’s scripture.

You’ve been duped.
And worse — you’re proud of it.

When the King returns,
He’s not coming to dedicate your idol.
He’s coming to tear it down — again.

Jesus never told His followers to rebuild the temple.
He told them they were the temple.

So if you're rebuilding what He destroyed,
You're not serving God.
You're rebuilding rebellion.

Repent..

Amen words have meaning attached with a warning (Deuteronomy 4:2) not to add to the meaning or take away of one word. Changing one word can change the authorship (spiritual plagiarism )

Like Jacob the second born used to represent the loving law a person must be born again. Jacob meaning one that deceives by grasping the heel of the first-born Esau who saw no value in the spiritual things of Christ the husband.

Hosea 12:3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his (new) strength he had power with God:

Esau sold his first-born birth rite for a cup of hairy goat soup. God gave Jacob a bill of divorce.

Jeremiah 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Israel. The new name Christ the husband named his bride

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power( born again)with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Christian had a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations which he promised to name in Isaiah 62.

Christian literally with no other meaning. Residents of the heavenly city of Christ prepared for his bride the church named after its founder and husband Christ

Isaiah 62:1-2 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth. And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called (by Christ) Christians first in Antioch.

 

[Gothedral]

Yeah, it's terrible. Lord have mercy.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

1. Christians = True Israel.
2. Faith in Christ = Circumcision of the heart. (Romans 2:29)
3. Bloodline = Irrelevant. (John 1:13, Philippians 3:3)
4. Abraham’s seed = Those in Christ. (Galatians 3:29)
5. Without Christ = Not Abraham’s children. (John 8:39–44)
6. The Gospel = One body. No Jew, no Greek. (Galatians 3:28)
7. Two peoples theology = False gospel. (Ephesians 2:14–16)
8. New Covenant = In force now. (Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:13)
9. Old Covenant = Obsolete. (Hebrews 8:13)
10. Jesus = Fulfillment of the Law. (Matthew 5:17)
11. Temple = Destroyed. Sacrifices = Ceased. Priesthood = Changed. (Hebrews 7:12)
12. Mosaic law = Shadow. Christ = Substance. (Colossians 2:17)
13. Unbelieving Jews = Broken off. (Romans 11:17–20)
14. Believers in Christ = Grafted in. (Romans 11:17)
15. Zion = Heavenly, not geographic. (Hebrews 12:22)
16. Church = Temple of God. (1 Corinthians 3:16)
17. Synagogue = Rejects Messiah. (John 15:23)
18. Messianic faith = Continuation, not replacement. (Romans 11:23)
19. The Cross = End of ethnic privilege. (Ephesians 2:11–16)
20. Modern Israel = Secular state, not covenant body.
21. Ashkenazi = Turkic-Khazar converts.
22. Khazars ≠ Abrahamic lineage.
23. Sephardic = Mixed Mediterranean heritage.
24. Neither = Biblical tribes of Israel.
25. No genealogies = No covenant. (Titus 3:9)
26. Tribe lists = Destroyed in 70 A.D.
27. Bloodline Judaism = Dead religion.
28. Rabbinic Judaism = Built on Talmud, not Torah.
29. Talmud = Anti-Christ in doctrine.
30. Pharisees = Founders of Rabbinic tradition. (Matthew 23:27)
31. Christianity = Judaism fulfilled.
32. Jesus = True Israelite. (Matthew 2:15)
33. Christ = The Seed. (Galatians 3:16)
34. The Seed = Singular. Not plural.
35. In Him = Heirs. Outside Him = Lost.
36. Scofield = Heretic. Darby = Inventor of fantasy.
37. Dispensationalism = Theological apartheid.
38. Rapture theory = 19th-century invention.
39. Israel-first doctrine = Not taught by Paul, Peter, or Jesus.
40. Real Jews = Born again believers in Christ.
41. Zionism = Political, not spiritual.
42. Modern Israel = Ally of Mammon, not Messiah.
43. Prophetic clock = Jesus, not Tel Aviv.
44. Star of David = Not biblical.
45. Torah without Jesus = Veiled heart. (2 Corinthians 3:14–16)
46. Jews need Jesus = Just like everyone else.
47. Romans 11:26 = Conditional, not automatic.
48. Revelation 2:9 = Warning, not compliment.
49. Galatians 6:16 = “Israel of God” = The Church.
50. If you’re in Christ… you are Israel.

 

[Gothedral]

I believe there is a chapter and verse for each of your points in both OT and NT and probably Apocrypha. That'll be a fun search.

 

[Curtis]

Rev 5:6 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Rev 5:7 Then He came and took the scroll out of the right hand of Him who sat on the throne.
Rev 5:8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Rev 5:9 And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
Rev 5:10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth."

The opening of the seven seals will be the start of the tribulation period on earth.

Who are the "24 elders" who witness Jesus taking the scroll with its seven seals from God the Father?

We do not have to guess who these people are as they tell us themselfs who they are !!

... For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,...
The twenty four elders are represenitive of the whole Church!
There are certainly alot more than 24 tribes, nations and tongues on earth. They all said, "..have redeemed us to God by Your blood...".
"us" refferring to not just themselfs but a much bigger group of people!

These people were "redeemed" children of God!

Rev 4:4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.

These twenty-four eleders had already be given new supernatural bodies (clothed in white) and had "crowns of gold on their heads" meaning they had already been rewardered.

All this happens before a single "seal" had been opened which starts the tribulation period.
The raptured Church will witness Jesus taking the scroll with its sevens seals from the hand of God the Father.

The rapture, catching away of the Church happens before the tribulation begins.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Here's some more "truth" for the lost lurkers..

1. Jesus is the New Covenant.
Not a messenger of it. Not a preview of it.
He is the Covenant incarnate. His body and blood ratified it.
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood.” — Luke 22:20

2. We follow Jesus, not Moses.
Moses served. Jesus rules.
“The law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” — John 1:17

3. Jesus is the King of the Jews.
That’s not symbolic — it’s legal. Divine. Eternal.
“Are You the King of the Jews?” Jesus answered, “It is as you say.” — Matthew 27:11

4. If Jesus is our King — and He is the King of the Jews — then WE are the Jews of the New Covenant.
No DNA test required. No bloodline, passport, or flag.
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

5. New Covenant Jew = Follower of Jesus. Period.
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but one inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29

6. The Church is not a “pause.”
It’s not Plan B. It’s Israel fulfilled — the entire point.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek… you are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28
The Body of Christ is Israel.

7. We don’t follow the Satanic Talmud.
It denies Christ. It mocks Him. It elevates oral traditions above the Word of God.
It teaches that rabbis outrank prophets. That Gentiles are subhuman. That Jesus was a sorcerer now boiling in Hell in human excrement.
The Talmud is not the Old Testament. It is not the Torah. It is not God-breathed.
It is a post-Christ rejection manual — written by men who saw the Messiah perform miracles and then spit in His face.

8. The Old Covenant is DEAD.
Jesus didn’t come to upgrade it — He fulfilled it, then replaced it.
“He takes away the first, that He may establish the second.” — Hebrews 10:9
“He has made the first obsolete.” — Hebrews 8:13

9. Still clinging to Moses? You’re veiled.
“When Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart.” — 2 Corinthians 3:15
Only Jesus can remove it.

10. Israel is not a flag. Not a U.N. manufactured nation-state. Not a bloodline.
It’s the Body of Christ, born by faith — not flesh.
“Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.” — Romans 9:6

11. The land promises? Already fulfilled.
“So the LORD gave to Israel all the land… not one word failed…” — Joshua 21:43–45
Stop staring at dirt. Start longing for glory.

12. One people of God — not two.
“He made both groups into one… that He might reconcile them both in one body.” — Ephesians 2:14–16
The Cross unites. Scofield divides.

13. Supporting “ethnic Israel” while rejecting Jesus = rejecting God.
“He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.” — John 5:23

But here’s the real twist:
It’s not even ethnic Israel you’re supporting.
You're backing white, non-Semitic Khazarians —
Eastern European and Russian converts to Talmudic Judaism from 740 A.D.,
under King Bulan of the Khazarian Empire.

These people:
Are not descendants of Abraham
Are not from the tribe of Judah
Have no connection to Moses or David
Follow a Christ-mocking book
And deny the Son who died for the sins of the world

Yet misled, modern churches kneel before them.

This isn’t just wrong — it’s absolute madness.

It’s like a delusional white Russian drag queen in a Cleopatra wig shouting,
“I’m an Egyptian queen!” —
and the entire evangelical world clapping in unison.
You can’t make this up.
You wouldn’t believe it if it were a satire —
but it’s real. And it’s what 70% of the Church believes.

“I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not,
but are a synagogue of Satan.” — Revelation 2:9

14. The Gospel doesn’t orbit around U.N. manufactured (False) Israel.
It centers on the Cross.
Jesus didn’t die for a flag — He died for a Kingdom not of this world.

15. Real Jews worship Jesus. You know.. The KING of the JEWS..
“I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not,
but are a synagogue of Satan.” — Revelation 2:9

16. Two covenants? Two peoples? Two salvations? That’s blasphemy.
“There is neither Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

17. Abraham’s children are born of faith — not blood.
“It is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.” — Galatians 3:7

And let’s be blunt:
Most of the impostors squatting in Rothschild’s False Israel™ right now
have no more genetic tie to Abraham than Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan.

18. Jesus is the last Word.
“God has spoken to us by His Son.” — Hebrews 1:1–2
Not by rabbis. Not by nations. Not by Scofield’s hallucinations.

19. Reject Jesus? You’re not in the covenant.
Doesn’t matter what flag you fly or whose DNA you claim.
“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either.” — 1 John 2:23

20. The veil was torn. Trying to sew it back up is rebellion.
“Having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus…” — Hebrews 10:19

You want to be a New Covenant Jew?

Don’t wave a blue & white flag with the six-pointed, six-cornered, six-sided star.
That’s not the Star of David.
That’s the Star of Remphan — the same occult sigil Israel used in the wilderness when they turned their backs on God and worshiped Moloch, sacrificing their children to demons.

“You took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
and the star of your god Remphan,
figures which ye made to worship them.” — Acts 7:43 (KJV)

It’s not a symbol of covenant.
It’s a symbol of rebellion.
A hexagram — a cursed seal of witchcraft and sorcery, not a divine sign from heaven.

So stop treating it like it’s holy.
God never commanded it. Christ never endorsed it.
And no apostle ever waved it.

You want to be one of God’s chosen?
Then drop the idol.
Pick up the Cross.

Not a flag.
Not a rabbi.
Not a talmud.
Not Zionist fiction.
Pick up the Cross.

Follow the King.
Not Scofield’s madness.
Not a fake Messiah still to come.

But Jesus Christ — the King of the Jews, crucified and risen.
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly…
but one inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29

You want to be a New Covenant Jew?

Then be born again.
Washed in the blood.
Grafted into the Vine.
Circumcised in heart.
Saved by faith alone.

Jesus is Israel’s destiny — and ours.
Without Him:
No covenant.
No Kingdom.
No salvation.
“He who has the Son has life;
he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.” — 1 John 5:12

You want to be part of true Israel?

Then follow the Lion of Judah — not the shadows of Sinai.
Kiss the Son.
Drop the lie.
Come under the blood — or stand outside the covenant with a veil still over your eyes.

Time is short.
This is not a debate. It’s a divine ultimatum.
Choose the King — or be swept away with your idols,
your false flags, your dead covenants,
your genealogies, your Talmud,
your dispensational delusions and your synagogue of Satan.

 

[Rhema]

Sorry, I follow both. Because they preached the same Gospel.

I know you believe this, but it's just not true.

And I do wonder if it's even possible to have a sane and civil conversation with you about this.

Rhema

Absolute and utter conviction does not establish truth.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I know you believe this, but it's just not true.

And I do wonder if it's even possible to have a sane and civil conversation with you about this.

Rhema

Absolute and utter conviction does not establish truth.

I don't have time to go back and read through 40,000 words.. try to make this a little more specific..

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I thought this rebuttal comment was just so good I had to share it here in this thread..

Even Slingblade & Forest Gump would get it after reading this.

"I gave you the "Jew" — in Romans, Ephesians, Galatians, James, and Hebrews.
The only thing I didn’t give you was the lie you’re still trying to defend:
that God’s promises ride on DNA, not the blood of Christ.

You didn’t refute my post.
You didn’t even touch it.
You just dismissed it like a child plugging his ears — because it demolished the sandcastle you were taught to worship.

If you really cared about the Jew, you’d preach the Gospel to him —
not hand him Scofield’s prophecy chart and tell him he doesn’t need Jesus yet.

And what makes this whole charade even more laughable is the fact that over 97% of the people in the modern state of Rothschild’s False Israel™ aren’t even “ethnic Jews” by your own Scofield standards.

The people you call “Jews” today are mostly Ashkenazi and Sephardic, not ancient Hebrews.
Ashkenazi means Eastern European — Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Germany.
They descend from Khazarian converts, not from Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob.
Sephardic Jews come from Spain, Portugal, and North Africa.
They’re not from the tribes of Israel either.

The Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D., and with it — all tribal genealogies.
No one alive today can prove they’re from Judah, Levi, or Benjamin. No one.
Paul could — because he lived before 70 A.D.
You? You’re guessing based on a last name, a hat, and a man-made religion.

DNA studies confirm that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically closest to Italians, Greeks, and Eastern Europeans.
Not Abrahamic.
Not Semitic.
Not Hebrews.
Just European converts who adopted a religion centuries after the covenant was already fulfilled in Christ.

Practicing modern Judaism doesn’t make someone a biblical Jew.
The Talmud is not the Torah.
The rabbis who wrote it rejected the Messiah and created a religion that openly mocks Him.
Jesus said, “You nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition.”
That tradition now defines modern Judaism.
And any religion that denies the Son is not in covenant with the Father — it’s at war with Him.

The modern state of Israel was not founded by prophets.
It was founded by Zionist atheists, socialist revolutionaries, British colonial policy, and Rothschild banking dynasties.
It was approved by the United Nations, not ordained from the throne of David.
It was a geopolitical maneuver, not a divine restoration.
There’s no temple.
No Levitical priesthood.
No Davidic king.
No national repentance.
Only military might, political manipulation, and a total rejection of Jesus Christ.

So let’s be honest.

You’re defending a people who do not descend from Abraham.
Who cannot prove any tribal lineage.
Who reject the Gospel of Christ.
Who follow a rabbinic system that contradicts Moses and the prophets.
Who were installed in the land by globalist bankers and the U.N.
Who silence and persecute Christians within their borders.
And who teach a gospel that denies the Gospel.

Meanwhile, the Bible says:
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
The Church is the Israel of God. — Galatians 6:16

So even if they were ethnic Jews —
if they reject Christ, they have no inheritance.
But they’re not even ethnic Jews.
Which makes this entire charade not just false — but completely absurd.

You’ve been tricked into defending a political counterfeit.
You call them God’s chosen, but they reject the One who chose them.
You’re worshiping a flag, a (false/stolen) bloodline, and a lie.
The true Israel is not a nationalist outpost.
It is the Body of Christ. < If you don't believe this, you don't even follow the Gospel.
One people.
One covenant.
One King.
And He already came.

Every Christian on earth — from the Apostles themselves to the early Church Fathers — taught with unwavering clarity that the Body of Christ is Israel.

Peter believed it.
Paul declared it.
James affirmed it.
John sealed it in Revelation.

Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Athanasius, Augustine — every one of them taught that the true Israel was not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Not a bloodline.
Not a flag.
Not a geopolitical entity — but the Church, born of Christ, purchased by His blood, and sealed by His Spirit.

And then — silence.

Around 1900, a new gospel began to spread — not from the mouth of Christ, but from the pen of John Nelson Darby and the footnotes of Cyrus Scofield.

Suddenly, the Church was no longer the fulfillment — it was a parenthesis.
The Cross wasn’t the finish line — it was a pause button.
Jesus wasn’t the fulfillment of the covenant — He was a placeholder for ethnic Israel’s second chance.

And how convenient.

Just as Scofield’s Bibles were being mass-printed and handed out for free, the Rothschild-funded Zionist movement violently seized Palestine, displaced and killed its inhabitants, and claimed divine right — with Christians cheering from the sidelines, holding their Scofield Study Bibles like they were scripture.

It was never about theology.
It was about programming.

The Church — once militant in doctrine and radiant with truth — was pacified, seduced, and reprogrammed to believe that the very people rejecting Christ were “God’s chosen,” while the Body of Christ itself was now a theological afterthought.

They replaced the Gospel with a flag.
Replaced the covenant with a real estate deal.
And replaced the Cross with a prophecy chart.

If Paul were alive today, he wouldn’t be writing letters.
He’d be flipping pulpits.

Even if Slingblade and Forrest Gump read the entire comment above, they’d come to the obvious conclusion: these fake, European identity thieves are the false Jews of Revelation — the ones ‘who claim they are Jews, but are not, and lie.’
Wake up. Who are you waiting for? They’re not coming — they’re already here. Right in front of your face. Get a clue.

One thing’s for sure — P.T. Barnum was right.
There’s a sucker born every minute…
And Scofield made sure every one of them got a free Bible laced with lies."

 

[Rhema]

I don't have time to go back and read through 40,000 words.. try to make this a little more specific..

Your claim that Paul and Jesus preached the same Gospel.

They did not.

Thanks,
Rhema

(Why are you so convinced that they did?)

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Your claim that Paul and Jesus preached the same Gospel.

They did not.

Thanks,
Rhema

(Why are you so convinced that they did?)

They absolutely preached the same Gospel.

Jesus:

“This is My blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” — Matthew 26:28
“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” — Mark 16:15

Paul:

“Christ died for our sins… was buried… and rose again on the third day, according to the Scriptures.” — 1 Corinthians 15:1–4
“There is no other Gospel.” — Galatians 1:6–9

Paul didn’t invent a Gospel —
He was commissioned by the risen Jesus Himself to preach it to the nations (Galatians 1:11–12).

So your claim isn’t just wrong.
It’s heretical — because it splits the New Testament in two and turns the Gospel into a contradiction.

The early church didn’t preach “two gospels.”
They preached one Savior, one cross, one Gospel, to Jew and Gentile alike.

And let’s be clear:
No Christian in church history believed what you’re saying until around 1910.

Not the apostles.
Not the early Church Fathers.
Not Augustine.
Not Irenaeus, Clement, Polycarp, Ignatius, Athanasius, or any teacher in the first 1,900 years of Christianity.

The idea that Paul preached a different Gospel than Jesus didn’t exist until C.I. Scofield and John Nelson Darby invented it — and shoved it into the margins of Bibles with footnotes no apostle ever wrote.

So if your theology didn’t exist before Scofield,
it’s not the Gospel —
it’s a 20th-century distortion that wouldn’t have lasted five minutes in front of Peter, Paul, or Christ Himself.

History alone proves that.

 

[Garee]

3. Jesus is the King of the Jews.
That’s not symbolic — it’s legal. Divine. Eternal.
“Are You the King of the Jews?” Jesus answered, “It is as you say.” — Matthew 27:11

I would offer another perspective.

God is not a man as us. And neither is there any fleshy infallible interpreter set between eternal God not seen and dying mankind seen. A daysman in the King James, today called a Pope (Job 9:32-33)

The "it is as you say " in your translation does not seem to blend in context. I would suggest more of. . . "if that's what you think" not "that's what it is.

It's what he was accused of as being king . . he answered nothing

Mattew 27:11-12; KJ And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.. . . .. ;And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.

Not it is as you say

it's written both ways

Mathew 27:11 CEB Jesus was brought before the governor. The governor said, “Are you the king of the Jews?” Jesus replied, “That’s what you say.”

Mathew 27:1 CJB Meanwhile, Yeshua was brought before the governor, and the governor put this question to him: “Are you the King of the Jews?” Yeshua answered, “The words are yours.”

Mathew 27:11 CEV Jesus was brought before Pilate the governor, who asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Those are your words!” Jesus answered.

Remember Kings in Isreal the abomination of desolation. In Samuel 8 God gave over the unbelieving, faithless Jew in their jealousy of the (Pagan foundation (Out of sight out of mind) no eternal God in their thinking. God calls fools.

The first century reformation (Hebrew 9) came put an end to the abomination of desolation, re-establishing sola scriptura (all things written in the law and prophets)

It would seem to be the goal of the father of lies to seduce dying mankind to believe God is a Jewish dying man as King of kings.

Satan not subject to the gospel (no spiritual understanding) took a guess and used Peter as an antichrist, another teaching authority other than "all things written in the law and prophets or law and its testimony". (sola scriptura) Peter with false prophecy.

Mathew 16:22;23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.;But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter rebuked the Holy Father and forbid Jesus the Son of man from doing the will of the Holy Father. Satan failed at establishing a Jewish man as King of kings.

When the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies. Satan fell he could no longer deceive all the nations of the world eternal God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings.

Revealed in a parable below

Revelation 20And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.;And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,;And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Rhema]

They absolutely preached the same Gospel.

Jesus:

“This is My blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” — Matthew 26:28
“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” — Mark 16:15

I quite understand your conviction, and it might not be possible to have a civil conversation here, since most all of your posts are extremely, if not violently, adamant. It would also take some time for you to see the differences since some thinking is required, along with some basic knowledge of Greek. It's difficult at times to work through all the "noise" that one hears from the traditional teachings of one's denomination. Just look at what you run into with those who unquestioningly believe the Scofield Bible, because that's what their church uses. (By the way, I it would be greatly appreciated if you understood that I don't use the Scofield Bible, and don't even own a Scofield Bible, so go gripe at someone else. You do me a grave injustice in your unfounded accusations.)

In addition, I should point out that forum guidelines require that one post the version of scripture quoted, although most people don't even read the guidelines, let alone follow them. It would seem, though, that you are quoting the "Majority Standard Bible"? Please let me know, I wouldn't want to presume (though I do have a rhetorical curiosity as to why would "land" on this translation).

Now there are a number of issues here to address, possibly the least of which is that the earliest manuscripts of Mark do not have your verse 16:15. It isn't a problem, though, since I acknowledge that Mat. 28:20 refers to the Gospel that Jesus taught.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

- Matthew 28:19-20 KJV

In addition...

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,​

- Mark 1:14 KJV
... we hold that if Jesus came preaching the gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached, and none other.

BUT... your "proof" verse (Matthew 26:28) has some translation issues. First, I am at least glad that you used a translation that says "pours" instead of "shed." But you are (it is?) missing a word. (And I shall use the TR, since your choice of translation is based upon the Byzantine Majority.)

(Matthew 26:28 TR) τουτο γαρ εστιν το αιμα μου το της καινης διαθηκης το περι πολλων εκχυνομενον εις αφεσιν αμαρτιων

Please note the word I highlighted - εις. I don't find it in your translation.

LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for G1519 εἰς.

A. into,​

The word "into" is missing in your translation.

By way of background, I found out over 50 years ago that one could get a copy of the New Testament that has the Greek text, (LINK) although my church (at the time) had always claimed that these were lost in history. I thought, HEY, who wouldn't want to read this "Word of God" in the original language? I quickly found out that most Christians don't. And part of the reason is that one runs into problems like this. Where is the word "into"?? Why is it missing in your (and most all) translations?

(Matthew 26:28 TR) τουτο (THIS) γαρ (FOR) εστιν (IS) το (THE) αιμα (BLOOD) μου (OF ME) το της (OF THE) καινης (NEW) διαθηκης (COVENANT) το (WHICH) περι (ON BEHALF OF) πολλων (MANY) εκχυνομενον (IS POURING FORTH) εις (INTO) αφεσιν (FORGIVENESS) αμαρτιων (OF SIN).

Now you might not see the difference, but Jesus is saying that something is being poured INTO many with regards to the forgiveness of sin. And I had asked you before what the "THIS" is that is being poured into many. When one's eyes open, one can see that the "THIS" refers to the contents of the cup.

And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;​

- Matthew 26:27 KJV

The "THIS" is what they were drinking. What were they drinking? What did Jesus give them to drink? I ask every Christian I meet, yet I hardly get a coherent answer, unless one is Catholic and believes in Transubstantiation, believing that literal blood was in the cup that Jesus gave them to drink.

Now since I don't wish to cause you any anxiety on this matter (since I would normally end here to await a coherent answer), allow me to point out the answer.

Wine.

Wine was in the cup. No? Wine is what Jesus gave them to drink. Wine is being poured INTO many with regards to the forgiveness of sin.

Of course one needs to then ask what did Jesus mean by WINE? And what did the twelve understand WINE to mean?

And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will spill out, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins.”​

- Mark 2:22 Majority Standard Bible

Astounded and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” But others mocked them and said, “They are drunk on new wine!” Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, lifted up his voice, and addressed the crowd: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen carefully to my words. These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It is only the third hour of the day! No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:​

- Acts 2:12-16 Majority Standard Bible

Don't the dots connect themselves?

When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.​

- Acts 2:37-38 Majority Standard Bible

The dots connect themselves. The "blood" of the Covenant of Jesus is the New Wine of the gift of the Holy Spirit that is poured into many with regards to the forgiveness of sins.

There is not one verse in the Teachings of Jesus (the LOGOS of Jesus) where he says that he will die to pay for your sins. Rather, Jesus teaches (as did Peter) that one should repent for the forgiveness of sins. Indeed Jesus taught that the Father forgives sin when He is asked in prayer (cf. Mat. 6:12, Luke 11:4).

And this is the Gospel that Jesus preached. (Did Paul?)

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I quite understand your conviction, and it might not be possible to have a civil conversation here, since most all of your posts are extremely, if not violently, adamant. It would also take some time for you to see the differences since some thinking is required, along with some basic knowledge of Greek. It's difficult at times to work through all the "noise" that one hears from the traditional teachings of one's denomination. Just look at what you run into with those who unquestioningly believe the Scofield Bible, because that's what their church uses. (By the way, I it would be greatly appreciated if you understood that I don't use the Scofield Bible, and don't even own a Scofield Bible, so go gripe at someone else. You do me a grave injustice in your unfounded accusations.)

In addition, I should point out that forum guidelines require that one post the version of scripture quoted, although most people don't even read the guidelines, let alone follow them. It would seem, though, that you are quoting the "Majority Standard Bible"? Please let me know, I wouldn't want to presume (though I do have a rhetorical curiosity as to why would "land" on this translation).

Now there are a number of issues here to address, possibly the least of which is that the earliest manuscripts of Mark do not have your verse 16:15. It isn't a problem, though, since I acknowledge that Mat. 28:20 refers to the Gospel that Jesus taught.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

- Matthew 28:19-20 KJV

In addition...

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,​

- Mark 1:14 KJV
... we hold that if Jesus came preaching the gospel, then the Gospel is what Jesus preached, and none other.

BUT... your "proof" verse (Matthew 26:28) has some translation issues. First, I am at least glad that you used a translation that says "pours" instead of "shed." But you are (it is?) missing a word. (And I shall use the TR, since your choice of translation is based upon the Byzantine Majority.)

(Matthew 26:28 TR) τουτο γαρ εστιν το αιμα μου το της καινης διαθηκης το περι πολλων εκχυνομενον εις αφεσιν αμαρτιων

Please note the word I highlighted - εις. I don't find it in your translation.

LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for G1519 εἰς.

A. into,​

The word "into" is missing in your translation.

By way of background, I found out over 50 years ago that one could get a copy of the New Testament that has the Greek text, (LINK) although my church (at the time) had always claimed that these were lost in history. I thought, HEY, who wouldn't want to read this "Word of God" in the original language? I quickly found out that most Christians don't. And part of the reason is that one runs into problems like this. Where is the word "into"?? Why is it missing in your (and most all) translations?

(Matthew 26:28 TR) τουτο (THIS) γαρ (FOR) εστιν (IS) το (THE) αιμα (BLOOD) μου (OF ME) το της (OF THE) καινης (NEW) διαθηκης (COVENANT) το (WHICH) περι (ON BEHALF OF) πολλων (MANY) εκχυνομενον (IS POURING FORTH) εις (INTO) αφεσιν (FORGIVENESS) αμαρτιων (OF SIN).

Now you might not see the difference, but Jesus is saying that something is being poured INTO many with regards to the forgiveness of sin. And I had asked you before what the "THIS" is that is being poured into many. When one's eyes open, one can see that the "THIS" refers to the contents of the cup.

And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;​

- Matthew 26:27 KJV

The "THIS" is what they were drinking. What were they drinking? What did Jesus give them to drink? I ask every Christian I meet, yet I hardly get a coherent answer, unless one is Catholic and believes in Transubstantiation, believing that literal blood was in the cup that Jesus gave them to drink.

Now since I don't wish to cause you any anxiety on this matter (since I would normally end here to await a coherent answer), allow me to point out the answer.

Wine.

Wine was in the cup. No? Wine is what Jesus gave them to drink. Wine is being poured INTO many with regards to the forgiveness of sin.

Of course one needs to then ask what did Jesus mean by WINE? And what did the twelve understand WINE to mean?

And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will spill out, and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins.”​

- Mark 2:22 Majority Standard Bible

Astounded and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?” But others mocked them and said, “They are drunk on new wine!” Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, lifted up his voice, and addressed the crowd: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and listen carefully to my words. These men are not drunk, as you suppose. It is only the third hour of the day! No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:​

- Acts 2:12-16 Majority Standard Bible

Don't the dots connect themselves?

When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.​

- Acts 2:37-38 Majority Standard Bible

The dots connect themselves. The "blood" of the Covenant of Jesus is the New Wine of the gift of the Holy Spirit that is poured into many with regards to the forgiveness of sins.

There is not one verse in the Teachings of Jesus (the LOGOS of Jesus) where he says that he will die to pay for your sins. Rather, Jesus teaches (as did Peter) that one should repent for the forgiveness of sins. Indeed Jesus taught that the Father forgives sin when He is asked in prayer (cf. Mat. 6:12, Luke 11:4).

And this is the Gospel that Jesus preached. (Did Paul?)

Kindly,
Rhema

Jesus and Paul preached the same Gospel — and I’m not saying that lightly. Scripture backs it. Not Scofield. Not some Greek parsing rabbit hole. Not wine metaphors twisted into new-age theology.

Paul said it flat-out: “I didn’t receive it from any man, nor was I taught it — but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Galatians 1:12) And just so no one gets cute with theological gymnastics, he also said, “If anyone — even an angel from heaven — preaches another gospel, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8) So if Paul’s Gospel was different from Jesus’, Paul himself should be condemned. But he wasn’t — because it wasn’t.

Now let’s talk about this nonsense that “Jesus never said He would die to pay for sins.” Really? Jesus said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28) That’s not poetry — that’s covenant language. That’s Isaiah 53 in action. That’s the Lamb of God being offered for the sins of the people. And in Matthew 20:28, Jesus says He came “to give His life as a ransom for many.” That’s called substitutionary atonement. That’s payment. That’s the Gospel.

The attempt to make “wine” into some Gnostic metaphor for the Holy Spirit completely misses the point. Jesus was fulfilling the Passover. The wine symbolized His blood. It wasn’t a code. It wasn’t mysticism. It was sacrifice. Plain and holy.

And yes — Paul and Jesus preached the same Gospel. One Gospel. The Gospel that saves. Paul lays it out clearly in 1 Corinthians 15: “Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, He was buried, and He rose again on the third day.” That’s the Gospel. That’s the same message Jesus lived, declared, and fulfilled. And if that’s not enough, Peter himself — the one who walked with Jesus — affirmed Paul’s writings and called them Scripture. (2 Peter 3:15–16)

So no — Paul didn’t invent a new religion. And Jesus didn’t preach one Gospel while Paul made up another. That’s a false narrative — pushed by people who are either confused or deceived. The Gospel of the Kingdom is the Gospel of the Cross. There’s no contradiction. Just fulfillment.

Jesus and Paul weren’t out of sync. They were proclaiming the exact same message — from the same God — under the same covenant — sealed by the same blood.

And anything else?

That’s a different gospel.

And Scripture’s crystal clear about what happens to those who preach that.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I would offer another perspective.

God is not a man as us. And neither is there any fleshy infallible interpreter set between eternal God not seen and dying mankind seen. A daysman in the King James, today called a Pope (Job 9:32-33)

The "it is as you say " in your translation does not seem to blend in context. I would suggest more of. . . "if that's what you think" not "that's what it is.

It's what he was accused of as being king . . he answered nothing

Mattew 27:11-12; KJ And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.. . . .. ;And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.

Not it is as you say

it's written both ways

Mathew 27:11 CEB Jesus was brought before the governor. The governor said, “Are you the king of the Jews?” Jesus replied, “That’s what you say.”

Mathew 27:1 CJB Meanwhile, Yeshua was brought before the governor, and the governor put this question to him: “Are you the King of the Jews?” Yeshua answered, “The words are yours.”

Mathew 27:11 CEV Jesus was brought before Pilate the governor, who asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “Those are your words!” Jesus answered.

Remember Kings in Isreal the abomination of desolation. In Samuel 8 God gave over the unbelieving, faithless Jew in their jealousy of the (Pagan foundation (Out of sight out of mind) no eternal God in their thinking. God calls fools.

The first century reformation (Hebrew 9) came put an end to the abomination of desolation, re-establishing sola scriptura (all things written in the law and prophets)

It would seem to be the goal of the father of lies to seduce dying mankind to believe God is a Jewish dying man as King of kings.

Satan not subject to the gospel (no spiritual understanding) took a guess and used Peter as an antichrist, another teaching authority other than "all things written in the law and prophets or law and its testimony". (sola scriptura) Peter with false prophecy.

Mathew 16:22;23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.;But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Peter rebuked the Holy Father and forbid Jesus the Son of man from doing the will of the Holy Father. Satan failed at establishing a Jewish man as King of kings.

When the veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings sitting in the Holy of Holies. Satan fell he could no longer deceive all the nations of the world eternal God is a dying Jewish man as King of kings.

Revealed in a parable below

Revelation 20And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.;And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,;And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

You’re not offering “another perspective.”
You’re offering a complete rejection of the incarnation and the plain, historical Gospel.

Jesus didn't dodge the question.
He affirmed His kingship multiple times — before Pilate, before the Sanhedrin, and even before His disciples.

Matthew 27:11 — “Thou sayest it” (KJV) is a Hebrew idiom. It’s not sarcasm. It’s an affirmation. Equivalent to: “Yes, you said it.”
That’s why most modern translations interpret it as:
“It is as you say.” (NASB, NIV, CSB, etc.)

Luke clears it up even further:
“So you are a king then?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born and for this I came into the world…” — John 18:37

So no, He wasn’t being evasive.
He was declaring His kingship under oath before the Roman governor, even knowing it would lead to crucifixion.

You said:

“Satan failed at establishing a Jewish man as King of kings.”

That’s a serious statement — and it deserves to be weighed carefully in light of Scripture.
Because Scripture literally says:

“He has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” — Revelation 19:16

You’re rejecting the clear testimony of the New Testament — not just about His humanity, but His Jewish lineage (Romans 1:3, Matthew 1, Luke 3), His Messiahship, and His eternal kingship (Luke 1:32-33).

Jesus is not just some abstract Logos. He became flesh — Jewish flesh — and fulfilled every single messianic prophecy.
That includes being called:

The Son of David

The King of the Jews

The Lion of Judah

To deny that is to deny the Gospel itself.

John 1:14 — “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
1 John 4:2-3 — “Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God… but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist.”

You quoted Revelation 20 like it helps your case, but you’re misusing it completely.
The real deception Satan was cast down for was getting people to believe Jesus wasn’t God in the flesh, or that He wasn’t truly King.
Which — based on your comment — means you’re still under that deception.

You're not defending the Gospel. You're denying it.
And you're doing so with fancy language to mask the fact that you’ve rejected the very foundation of salvation:
That God became man. That the Messiah is King. And that Jesus is both.

Any gospel that removes Jesus from His throne —
or tries to separate Him from His divinely appointed kingship over Israel —
isn't another “view.”

It’s heresy.

 

[Garee]

You’re not offering “another perspective.”
You’re offering a complete rejection of the incarnation and the plain, historical Gospel.

Jesus didn't dodge the question.
He affirmed His kingship multiple times — before Pilate, before the Sanhedrin, and even before His disciples.

Matthew 27:11 — “Thou sayest it” (KJV) is a Hebrew idiom. It’s not sarcasm. It’s an affirmation. Equivalent to: “Yes, you said it.”
That’s why most modern translations interpret it as:
“It is as you say.” (NASB, NIV, CSB, etc.)

Luke clears it up even further:
“So you are a king then?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born and for this I came into the world…” — John 18:37

So no, He wasn’t being evasive.
He was declaring His kingship under oath before the Roman governor, even knowing it would lead to crucifixion.

You said:

“Satan failed at establishing a Jewish man as King of kings.”

That’s a serious statement — and it deserves to be weighed carefully in light of Scripture.
Because Scripture literally says:

“He has a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.” — Revelation 19:16

You’re rejecting the clear testimony of the New Testament — not just about His humanity, but His Jewish lineage (Romans 1:3, Matthew 1, Luke 3), His Messiahship, and His eternal kingship (Luke 1:32-33).

Jesus is not just some abstract Logos. He became flesh — Jewish flesh — and fulfilled every single messianic prophecy.
That includes being called:

The Son of David

The King of the Jews

The Lion of Judah

To deny that is to deny the Gospel itself.

John 1:14 — “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
1 John 4:2-3 — “Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God… but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist.”

You quoted Revelation 20 like it helps your case, but you’re misusing it completely.
The real deception Satan was cast down for was getting people to believe Jesus wasn’t God in the flesh, or that He wasn’t truly King.
Which — based on your comment — means you’re still under that deception.

You're not defending the Gospel. You're denying it.
And you're doing so with fancy language to mask the fact that you’ve rejected the very foundation of salvation:
That God became man. That the Messiah is King. And that Jesus is both.

Any gospel that removes Jesus from His throne —
or tries to separate Him from His divinely appointed kingship over Israel —
isn't another “view.”

It’s heresy.

Thanks

Yes, heresy another view or an opinion also called a private interpretation, personal commentary

Revelation 19 13-16And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name (as Power) is called The Word of God.;And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.;And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of (earthly)Kings, And Lord Of (earthly) Lords.

Not Jesus the Son of man an earthly lord.

King of earthly kings the invisible Holy Father

You offered John 1:14 — “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”

I suggest.. .

John 1:13-14 Which were born, not of blood (Jesus the Son of man), nor of the will of the flesh (Jesus the Son of man) , nor of the will of man,(Jesus the Son of man) but of God. And the Word was demonstrated by dying flesh of jesu the Son of man, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,( No glory form the Son dying mankind ) full of grace and truth.

You offered. .1 John 4:2-3 — “Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God… but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist.”

I would offer 1 John 4:2-3 Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ the anointing teacher has come through the dying flesh is from God…Not from the Son of man Jesus our brother in the Lord.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Thanks

Yes, heresy another view or an opinion also called a private interpretation, personal commentary

Revelation 19 13-16And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name (as Power) is called The Word of God.;And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.;And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of (earthly)Kings, And Lord Of (earthly) Lords.

Not Jesus the Son of man an earthly lord.

King of earthly kings the invisible Holy Father

You offered John 1:14 — “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”

I suggest.. .

John 1:13-14 Which were born, not of blood (Jesus the Son of man), nor of the will of the flesh (Jesus the Son of man) , nor of the will of man,(Jesus the Son of man) but of God. And the Word was demonstrated by dying flesh of jesu the Son of man, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,( No glory form the Son dying mankind ) full of grace and truth.

You offered. .1 John 4:2-3 — “Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God… but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist.”

I would offer 1 John 4:2-3 Every spirit that acknowledges Jesus Christ the anointing teacher has come through the dying flesh is from God…Not from the Son of man Jesus our brother in the Lord.
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

You just denied the very heart of the Gospel — and called it “another view.”

But Scripture doesn’t leave room for your Gnostic revisionism.

“The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.” — John 1:14
That doesn’t mean “flowed through” flesh. It means became. God became man — fully God, fully human. Anything less is heresy.

You’re splitting Jesus into two:

A dying man named Jesus

And some floating “anointing” from the Father

That’s not Christianity — that’s Docetism, Gnosticism, and anti-Christ theology dressed up in spiritual jargon.

“Every spirit that does not confess Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist.” — 1 John 4:3

Let me be clear:

Jesus didn’t “demonstrate” the Word. He is the Word. (John 1:1)
Jesus isn’t just your “brother.” He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. (Revelation 19:16)
He didn’t “channel” God’s glory. He is the radiance of God’s glory. (Hebrews 1:3)
The Son of Man isn’t a lesser nature. It’s the title Jesus used for Himself over 80 times — including when He claimed to ride the clouds of heaven in Daniel’s vision. (Daniel 7:13–14, Matthew 26:64)

You quote Revelation like Jesus isn’t the one on the white horse — but the Bible says His name is The Word of God, and He wears the title of divine authority. That’s not metaphor. That’s Jesus Christ returning in power.

And you dare claim Satan “failed to install a Jewish man as King of kings”?
You just called the Son of David a satanic counterfeit.

You’ve crossed the line from confusion into blasphemy.

“Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.” — 1 John 2:22

Your “private interpretation” isn’t harmless. It’s a rejection of the incarnation, the kingship of Christ, and the core of salvation.

There’s no middle ground here.

Jesus is God in the flesh, crucified for sin, risen in glory, and reigning forever.
If you don’t bow to that Jesus — the real Jesus — then you’re still under the very deception the Bible warned us would come.

“For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus… or if you accept a different gospel… you put up with it easily enough.” — 2 Corinthians 11:4

 

[Curtis]

Jesus became what he was not, but he remained who he is.

 

[Rhema]

Really? Jesus said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Matthew 26:28) That’s not poetry — that’s covenant language.

I have to say, GOC, that you're one of the most disrespectful people that I've ever met on this website (and that's saying a lot). Who said it was poetry? (Stop putting words in my mouth.) And yes, it was a covenant, since the word covenant is directly written in text. (So stop playing Straw Man.)

But you still quote an INACCURATE translation, so NO, Jesus did not say what you quoted (and you still haven't had the respect to follow forum guidelines that require one to identify the translation used). Where is the word INTO in your repeated quote of Mat. 26:28?

You will NEVER find the truth if you use a Satanic translation. Surely you're smart enough to know that the New Testament texts were published in Greek. You want to know what Jesus said? HERE: This is what he said...

τουτο γαρ εστιν το αιμα μου το της καινης διαθηκης το περι πολλων εκχυνομενον εις αφεσιν αμαρτιων

So stop lying about what Jesus said and address the problem of your defective translation. Can you? Can you be honest and read what is written without having an emotional breakdown? (Actually, you can't. You can't read Greek, can you? Can you be honest and admit that?)

Where's the word INTO ??? It's a legitimate question that ought to shake the resolve of any intelligent person. Instead, you seemed to have doubled down on your certainty about things of which you don't know.

I gave you the correct and DIRECT translation of the Greek text, with links to a Lexicon that proves your translation is satanic. Deal with it.

(Matthew 26:28 Textus Receptus with interlinear) τουτο (THIS) γαρ (FOR) εστιν (IS) το (THE) αιμα (BLOOD) μου (OF ME) το της (OF THE) καινης (NEW) διαθηκης (COVENANT) το (WHICH) περι (ON BEHALF OF) πολλων (MANY) εκχυνομενον (IS POURING FORTH) εις (INTO) αφεσιν (FORGIVENESS) αμαρτιων (OF SIN).

For THIS is the blood of me of the new covenant which on behalf of many is pouring forth INTO the forgiveness of sin.​

- Mat. 26:28 First Draft Gloss

Simply speaking, if you describe what happened to any intelligent child; that Jesus gave them the cup; that Jesus had them drink what was in the cup; that Jesus then said "THIS is my blood." If you ask them what the THIS is, they will say WINE.

You can't even have the respect to answer my question of WHAT WAS IN THE CUP?

So, What was in the Cup?

For now, I'll ignore most of the other stuff you posted, and see if you can give a respectful answer.

COG, What was in the Cup?

Blessings,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Jesus became what he was not, but he remained who he is.

CURTIS !!!!!!

To be honest, I don't know if this post is more Gnostic or Buddhist.

I'm impressed, and I don't impress easily.

God bless,
Rhema