Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!
  • Welcome to Talk Jesus Christian Forums

    Celebrating 20 Years!

    A bible based, Jesus Christ centered community.

    Register Log In

Possibly the greatest post of all time...

Joined
Apr 5, 2025
Messages
70
"What the Catholics Get Right

Salvation Plan: One covenant, fulfilled in Christ — not two tracks for Jew and Gentile

Rapture: Rejected; Christ returns once, publicly, at the end of the age — not in secret phases. This was the belief of the early Church Fathers.

Israel: Fulfilled in the Church. There is no separate, ongoing plan for ethnic Israel apart from the Gospel.
If someone calls themselves a Jew but rejects Jesus as the Messiah, they are outside the covenant of salvation — just like anyone else who refuses Him. Catholic teaching, like Scripture, is clear: no one is saved apart from Christ.

Covenant History: Progressive revelation fulfilled in Jesus — not cut into dispensations

Prophecy: Interpreted through typology, Christological fulfillment, and the Church Age


Where the Catholic Church Goes Off the Rails

Vatican Power Structure: Corrupted hierarchy; functions more like a political empire than a spiritual body

Idolatry and Ritualism: Veneration of saints and Mary can cross into worship territory

Works-Based Legalism: Overemphasis on sacraments and tradition as necessary for salvation

Mystery Religion Symbols: Pagan architecture, serpent imagery, and globalist interfaith compromises

Scripture Access: Historically limited lay access to the Bible; elevated papal authority above scripture


What Dispensationalist Evangelicals Get Right

Authority of Scripture: The Bible is the final and highest authority, not popes or church councils

Born Again Doctrine: Emphasis on personal salvation through faith in Jesus Christ

Evangelism: Urgent focus on spreading the Gospel to all nations

Rejection of Ritualism: Values relationship with Christ over empty tradition

Role of the Holy Spirit: Acknowledges the active presence and power of the Holy Spirit in believers


What Dispensationalist Evangelicals Get Horribly Wrong (Thanks to Scofield Heresy)

Two Plans of Salvation: Claims Jews have a separate covenant path — undermines the sufficiency of Christ

Pre-Trib Rapture: Teaches an unbiblical two-phase return of Jesus based on cherry-picked verses

Political Zionism as “God’s Will”: Confuses modern secular Israel with the true, biblical people of God — even though the nation as a whole rejects Jesus Christ. It doesn’t even dawn on most brainwashed Dispensationalists that over 98% of modern “Israelis” are Ashkenazi — descendants of Eastern Europeans and Russians who have no historical or genetic connection to Abraham whatsoever. They're about as related to Abraham as Hulk Hogan, SpongeBob and Genghis Khan.

Church as Parenthesis: Treats the Church Age as an interruption instead of the fulfillment of prophecy

Artificial Bible Division: Uses Scofield’s man-made footnotes to override clear New Testament teaching


The Bottom Line:

The Catholic Church preserved covenant theology and rejected the blasphemous, Scofield circus — but compromised it with institutional corruption, idolatry, and works-based tradition.

The Evangelical world rediscovered Scripture and the born-again life — but got seduced by Scofield’s dual-covenant, Zionist distortion that fractures the Gospel.

Both systems need to be reformed by the authority of Christ and the clarity of His Word.

To the lost Dispensationalists, I'll leave you with this...

The true Israel is the Body of Christ — one people, one covenant, one King. If you're a so-called "Christian" and you don't know that; you're beyond misled.

You’re not just lost — you’re way out in the wilderness of Nod, stumbling through darkness and delusion.

There’s a veil over your eyes and a bewitching on your soul
and honestly, it might be the most biblical level of deception the modern Church has ever witnessed.
Jesus and the Apostles are looking down from heaven — eyebrows raised, faces in their hands — stunned at how far off the path you’ve wandered.

“But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Covenant, because the veil is taken away in Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 3:14

You’re clinging to the shadows of a covenant that was fulfilled 2,000 years ago —
propping up a U.N.-sanctioned, Rothschild-created political state,
as if salvation lives in dirt and barbed wire,
totally ignorant of the fact that the true Israel is the Body of Christ.
Paul saw it coming. He warned us.

The veil still lies over your heart because you refuse to turn fully to Christ.
You’re not reading prophecy — you’re reading it wrong.
And until you stop exalting the letter over the Lord,
you’ll stay exactly where you are:
veiled, bewitched, and wandering east of Eden."
 
Last edited:
Covenant History: Progressive revelation fulfilled in Jesus — not cut into dispensations

Prophecy: Interpreted through typology, Christological fulfillment, and the Church Age

Through typology without parables Christ the one spiritual seed spoke not,

Yes, no dispensations. God though His Faithtfull works or labor of love ("let there be" and its testimony "it was God alone good"

He works through the same labor of His love in the hearts of sons of God in any generation

The church age began with Able the martyr the second born murdered by the first-born Cain.

God replace Able with another second born defining the "you must be born again" doctrine

It was then with Enos another second born . . that born again men began could call on Christ the husband.

The one seed (spiritual not seen) Christ

Genesis 4:25-26;And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.
 
Yes, no dispensations. God though His Faithtfull works or labor of love ("let there be" and its testimony "it was God alone good"

Not everything was good.

Gen 2:18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."

Yes, no dispensations.

Heb 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Heb 9:15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
 
If only this guy had his own church.. I'd send in $100,000 tomorrow.

"Exactly — we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.
So why do you talk like God’s promises failed, and the Church is Him stalling for time?
So now the Cross is Plan B, and the Temple gets a sequel? That’s blasphemy.
The Church — bought with His blood — is not a timeout until the Pharisees get their act together. That’s not the Gospel — it’s denial.

The Evangelicals say they're Christian, yet deny that Christ is the fulfillment? That’s not faith — that’s open rebellion.
You think the Son of God conquered death, disarmed principalities, sat down at the right hand of the Father —
only to wait around for a third temple with blood soaked floors and a red heifer?

You insult the Cross when you treat the Church like a detour.
You trample the blood of the Lamb when you preach two covenants.
You call yourself a Christian while denying that Christ is the fulfillment?
That’s not faith.
That’s apostasy wearing a Jesus T-shirt.


He said "It. Is. Finished."
Those were His words.
Not “To be continued.” Not “Pending Israel’s response.”
Finished.

The veil was torn.
The temple was judged.
The sacrifice was made once for all — not to be repeated, not to be paused, not to be overridden by some end-times real estate deal in the Middle East.

And yet they dare call it a postponement.
You teach that the Cross was a speed bump, that the resurrection launched a Plan B,
that the Bride of Christ is a temporary insert —
a parenthesis
until the Sanhedrin gets their act together?

You exalt a political nation that crucified the Lord of glory
and then turn around and say the Church must decrease so ethnic Israel can rise?

That’s not the Gospel.
That’s not prophecy.
That’s spiritual treason.


You twist the New Covenant into a waiting room.
You trample the blood of Christ beneath the footnotes of Scofield.
You deny the very One you claim to preach, while waving the flag of those who still reject Him.

He said “This cup is the new covenant in My blood.”
Not in U.N. borders.
Not in genealogies.
Not in a rebuilt temple that He Himself destroyed.

You preach like the Cross failed.
Like Pentecost wasn’t enough.
Like God’s Spirit in His people is somehow inferior to brick and stone in Jerusalem.

You grieve the Spirit of Truth.
You resurrect the shadows He died to fulfill.
You call yourself a Christian — but deny Christ at every turn.

Paul said:

“If righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.” — Galatians 2:21

And here you are —
preaching that righteousness will return through the law,
through animal sacrifice,
through a rebuilt temple,
through a national False Israel™ — a Rothschild & U.N. creation propped up by political Zionism and Christian ignorance.

Do you hear yourselves?
You are saying:
“Yeah, the blood of Jesus was powerful… but just wait until the Levitical priesthood comes back!”

You are shouting:
“Yeah, the veil was torn… but we’re gonna stitch it back together with red heifers and a third temple covered in blood!”

That’s not theology.
That’s blasphemy dipped in Scofield’s ink.
It’s Anti-Christ doctrine in a suit and tie, waving a dual-covenant chart.

You speak of the Church like a detour —
but she is the Bride.
The Body.
The very temple of the Holy Spirit.
Not a placeholder — the plan.

This isn’t a debate.
This is a warning.

Repent.
Turn from the lies of Dispensationalism.
Tear down your Zionist idols and return to the Gospel that saves.

The kingdom is not of this world.
The true Israel is not dirt or a flag.
And the Messiah will not return to a temple He already judged and left desolate.

He is coming again — but not to restart what He finished.
He is coming in glory to receive His Bride.
And if you’re not in it — you’re not ready."
 
This guy absolutely needs his own TV show..

"Now here’s the other official figures — the one no one dares mention:

Nearly 100% of them are not ethnic Biblical Jews.
They are not descended from Jacob.
They are not Biblical Israelites.
They are not related to Abraham.
They are not Semitic.
And they are absolutely not “the chosen people of God.”

These are Khazars, Russians, and Eastern Europeans — a warlike, pagan people who were force-converted to Talmudic Judaism in 740 A.D., under pressure from King Bulan, not out of reverence for Moses or the prophets, but at the edge of King Bulan’s sword.

Ask their ancestors back then to walk to Israel in 740 A.D?
They wouldn’t even know which direction to start.
They’d probably wander out of the Caucasus and end up in Siberia.

And yet today’s Evangelicals wave the Star of Remphan over their churches, plaster Zionist symbols on their pulpits, and dare to call it “biblical prophecy.”
No — it’s not prophecy. It’s delusion.
A deception so deep, it trades the Gospel of Christ for the gospel of geopolitics, and bows to a flag that mocks the cross.

The Khazars didn’t embrace the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
They didn’t fall to their knees in repentance before the God of Israel.
They were absorbed — forcefully — into a man-made religion,
not rooted in the Torah, but built on the Babylonian Talmud:
a blasphemous tome that's so anti-Christ,
it makes Roman paganism look tame by comparison.

The Torah in their system? It’s a prop. A backdrop. Not the foundation.

And yet modern Christians — especially Scofield-drunk Evangelicals — dare to call these people “God’s chosen”?

It’s not just wrong.
It’s theological madness.
It’s spiritual suicide.

And here’s the most twisted part…

They know.

The Rothschilds know.
The globalist elite know.
And they laugh
As Christians bow before a Christ-rejecting state,
wave its flag like it’s holy,
bless a machine built on deception,
and celebrate the very Zionist engine that would crucify Christ again — and again — and again — if given the chance.

Satan basks in the sun of Dispensationalist ignorance.. He is well-fed from churches where Scofield’s lies are preached — for every ‘Israel-first’ sermon is a feast of betrayal, served warm from the pulpit."
 
Not everything was good.

Gen 2:18 Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."

Yes, not everything was until he made it good bringing a help meet .
Heb 8:13 When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Heb 9:15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

Yes, a better fulfilled covenant beginning with Abel the second born the first apostle martyr.

The old letter of the law. Thou shall not add or you will surely die. It was destroyed when Moses came down from mount Sinai .

The second time to represent the new covenant of faith the invisible things of God. God moved Moses to hewn out two new tablets then again with the finger of God Christ write on both sides with no room for oral tradition of dying mankind.

You could say to the law and the testimony of prophets, both testaments. If they speak not according to that one word then they have no light of the gospel.

They that oppose the gospel separate the law (Old Testament) from its witness the prophets (New Testament.

A twofold law below.. (1) Law and (2) testimony. The let there be and it was good law or work of Christ's mighty faith

Isaih 8:16; (1) Bind up the testimony, (2) seal the law among my disciples.

The testimony seals the law .

No law no testimony. No testimony no law

The two laws reckoned as one faithful and it was good law.

The creative "Let there be" and the good testimony "sola scriptura ".

Dying mankind must seek the dead for those still living with what they must called patron saints disembodied his and hers gods in the likeness of dying mankind

Isaiah 8:19-20;And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony:(sola scriptura) if they speak not according to this word(singular) , it is because there is no light in them

The word seek above the Hebrew Darash meaning necromancy. It is used in two ways one to seek the dead for those still alive or those born again seeking our Living God Christ.

The living Holy Spirit for the dead bringing new born again life to those once dead in trespass and sin without God in this present world.
 
"What the Catholics Get Right

Salvation Plan: One covenant, fulfilled in Christ — not two tracks for Jew and Gentile

Rapture: Rejected; Christ returns once, publicly, at the end of the age — not in secret phases. This was the belief of the early Church Fathers.

Israel: Fulfilled in the Church. There is no separate, ongoing plan for ethnic Israel apart from the Gospel.
If someone calls themselves a Jew but rejects Jesus as the Messiah, they are outside the covenant of salvation — just like anyone else who refuses Him. Catholic teaching, like Scripture, is clear: no one is saved apart from Christ.

Covenant History: Progressive revelation fulfilled in Jesus — not cut into dispensations

Prophecy: Interpreted through typology, Christological fulfillment, and the Church Age


Where the Catholic Church Goes Off the Rails

Vatican Power Structure: Corrupted hierarchy; functions more like a political empire than a spiritual body

Idolatry and Ritualism: Veneration of saints and Mary can cross into worship territory

Works-Based Legalism: Overemphasis on sacraments and tradition as necessary for salvation

Mystery Religion Symbols: Pagan architecture, serpent imagery, and globalist interfaith compromises

Scripture Access: Historically limited lay access to the Bible; elevated papal authority above scripture


What Dispensationalist Evangelicals Get Right

Authority of Scripture: The Bible is the final and highest authority, not popes or church councils

Born Again Doctrine: Emphasis on personal salvation through faith in Jesus Christ

Evangelism: Urgent focus on spreading the Gospel to all nations

Rejection of Ritualism: Values relationship with Christ over empty tradition

Role of the Holy Spirit: Acknowledges the active presence and power of the Holy Spirit in believers


What Dispensationalist Evangelicals Get Horribly Wrong (Thanks to Scofield Heresy)

Two Plans of Salvation: Claims Jews have a separate covenant path — undermines the sufficiency of Christ

Pre-Trib Rapture: Teaches an unbiblical two-phase return of Jesus based on cherry-picked verses

Political Zionism as “God’s Will”: Confuses modern secular Israel with the true, biblical people of God — even though the nation as a whole rejects Jesus Christ. It doesn’t even dawn on most brainwashed Dispensationalists that over 98% of modern “Israelis” are Ashkenazi — descendants of Eastern Europeans and Russians who have no historical or genetic connection to Abraham whatsoever. They're about as related to Abraham as Hulk Hogan, SpongeBob and Genghis Khan.

Church as Parenthesis: Treats the Church Age as an interruption instead of the fulfillment of prophecy

Artificial Bible Division: Uses Scofield’s man-made footnotes to override clear New Testament teaching


The Bottom Line:

The Catholic Church preserved covenant theology and rejected the blasphemous, Scofield circus — but compromised it with institutional corruption, idolatry, and works-based tradition.

The Evangelical world rediscovered Scripture and the born-again life — but got seduced by Scofield’s dual-covenant, Zionist distortion that fractures the Gospel.

Both systems need to be reformed by the authority of Christ and the clarity of His Word.

To the lost Dispensationalists, I'll leave you with this...

The true Israel is the Body of Christ — one people, one covenant, one King. If you're a so-called "Christian" and you don't know that; you're beyond misled.

You’re not just lost — you’re way out in the wilderness of Nod, stumbling through darkness and delusion.

There’s a veil over your eyes and a bewitching on your soul
and honestly, it might be the most biblical level of deception the modern Church has ever witnessed.
Jesus and the Apostles are looking down from heaven — eyebrows raised, faces in their hands — stunned at how far off the path you’ve wandered.

“But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Covenant, because the veil is taken away in Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 3:14

You’re clinging to the shadows of a covenant that was fulfilled 2,000 years ago —
propping up a U.N.-sanctioned, Rothschild-created political state,
as if salvation lives in dirt and barbed wire,
totally ignorant of the fact that the true Israel is the Body of Christ.
Paul saw it coming. He warned us.

The veil still lies over your heart because you refuse to turn fully to Christ.
You’re not reading prophecy — you’re reading it wrong.
And until you stop exalting the letter over the Lord,
you’ll stay exactly where you are:
veiled, bewitched, and wandering east of Eden."

You are entitled to your opinion. You still need to grasp that you are on a discussion forum and not a message board.

If you make a statement like 'Some cherry pick scripture to support a rapture', you need to better explain why you say that.

Catholics at large reject the rapture because they believe the tribulation period is a final and necessary test. That would mean protestants who do not believe in a rapture event are more prone to believe in a works based salvation, which is most certainly evidence of 'cherry picking'.

Not believing in a rapture event incriminates God as evil, unjust and makes Him out to be a liar.

Evil = God abandons His people in the most terrifying period on earth in all of human history Matt 24:21.

Unjust = Scripture is clear that His wrath will fall on earth, thereby..... torturing and killing many indiscriminately, even the righteous.

Liar = You can confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord Rom 10:9 all day and night, for many, it will not get them into heaven according to Rev 14:11.

The tribulation period is a different dispensation. A period specially reserved by God for Jews. Their 'seventieth week' Dan 9:27. Important to understand that.
 
Back
Top