PAUL WOULDN'T GO AND BAPTIZE ALL NATIONS

[DougE]

Context to the entirety of what I wrote, please?



With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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Context? no idea sorry

 

[DougE]

Context to the entirety of what I wrote, please?



With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[Galatians 2:6 KJV] "But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:" ********** Paul's ministry was not under the authority of Peter and the Apostles

 

[Christ4Ever]

[Galatians 2:6 KJV] "But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man's person for they who seemed [to be somewhat] in conference added nothing to me:" ********** Paul's ministry was not under the authority of Peter and the Apostles

Then you need to reread the Book of Acts Doug.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[DougE]

Then you need to reread the Book of Acts Doug.

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Nick
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Galatians 2 corresponds to Acts 15

 

[Christ4Ever]

Galatians 2 corresponds to Acts 15

I'll stick with one church with Christ Jesus at the Head. I guess you can believe in as many separate churches as you want to believe in.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[Twistie]

This helps break w some stuff down with Voodie listen to the man preach love this guy so miss his sermons

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[KingJ]

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Mark 16:16 KJV] "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." ********** Jesus was sending the apostles to baptize.
[1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV] "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." ********* This commandment to baptize all nations doesn't apply to Paul seeing he wasn't sent to baptize. We aren't given the commandment to baptize all nations either.

Doug, this is a category mistake. Paul is not saying he was forbidden from baptizing or that baptism is not part of the Christian mission. In the same letter he clearly shows he did baptize people (1 Corinthians 1:14–16), so he cannot mean he never baptizes.

What he is saying in 1 Corinthians 1:17 is about emphasis and assignment. His primary mission was preaching the gospel, not personally carrying out baptisms in Corinth, so that people would not divide themselves over who baptized them.

That does not cancel Matthew 28:19 or Mark 16:16. The Great Commission is given to the church, and Paul himself fully participated in baptizing believers when appropriate. You are turning Paul’s point about priority into a contradiction that isn’t there.

 

[DougE]

Doug, this is a category mistake. Paul is not saying he was forbidden from baptizing or that baptism is not part of the Christian mission. In the same letter he clearly shows he did baptize people (1 Corinthians 1:14–16), so he cannot mean he never baptizes.

Paul said he was glad he didn't baptize others and there is no record of him commanding others to water baptize

 

[DougE]

The Great Commission is given to the church,

Jesus didnt command the church to fulfill Matthew 28 or Mark 16, he commanded the apostles to carry this out

 

[DougE]

I'll stick with one church with Christ Jesus at the Head. I guess you can believe in as many separate churches as you want to believe in.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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I just remembered you didnt respond to this
Did you care to?
Unless I misunderstood, you said you dont follow Paul but Jesus, so I asked


Paul didn't follow Christ during his earthly ministry
Paul follows the risen Christ who revealed to Paul the gospel, instructions and commandments

If you follow Christ after his earthly ministry
[Luke 14:26 KJV] "If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
[Luke 14:33 KJV] "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple." ******** you have to forsake all

[Luke 18:22 KJV] "Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." ************ you have to sell all

[Matthew 5:18 KJV] "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
[Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." ******** you have to keep and teach the whole law

 

[DougE]

I'll stick with one church with Christ Jesus at the Head. I guess you can believe in as many separate churches as you want to believe in.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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Here is my post on there being just one church
SOME CONSIDERATIONS IF THERE IS JUST ONE CHURCH

 

[Christ4Ever]

Paul didn't follow Christ during his earthly ministry
Paul follows the risen Christ who revealed to Paul the gospel, instructions and commandments

I just remembered you didnt respond to this
Did you care to?
Unless I misunderstood, you said you dont follow Paul but Jesus, so I asked


Paul didn't follow Christ during his earthly ministry
Paul follows the risen Christ who revealed to Paul the gospel, instructions and commandments

If you follow Christ after his earthly ministry
[Luke 14:26 KJV] "If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
[Luke 14:33 KJV] "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple." ******** you have to forsake all

[Luke 18:22 KJV] "Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me." ************ you have to sell all

[Matthew 5:18 KJV] "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
[Matthew 5:19 KJV] "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." ******** you have to keep and teach the whole law

You never showed the relevance to the discussion.
You also speak in the above as if there are two different Christ's.
In context, you seem lost and make up dogma as you see fit.

Keep in mind that not everything in His earthly ministry was documented. The purpose of which was to the Jewish Nation, that required He be rejected. Though this does not preclude Him from having interacted with both Gentiles, and Samaritans as well. As you can tell, shifting from one covenant to another doesn’t cancel anything out until everything has been fulfilled.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[DougE]

You never showed the relevance to the discussion.

Didnt you say you dont follow Paul
Doesnt that mean you follow Jesus?
Correct me if you didnt mean you follow Jesus according to Matthew Mark Luke and John

 

[DougE]

Keep in mind that not everything in His earthly ministry was documented. The purpose of which was to the Jewish Nation, that required He be rejected

Not everything was documented is right but why bring this up?

His purpose was also to prepare Israel for their kingdom and instruct them in righteousness

 

[Christ4Ever]

Didnt you say you dont follow Paul
Doesnt that mean you follow Jesus?
Correct me if you didnt mean you follow Jesus according to Matthew Mark Luke and John

Okay, correction. I follow Jesus according to the entirety of Scripture and not just the Gospels.
Correct me if I'm wrong, that Paul also followed Jesus.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

Not everything was documented is right but why bring this up?

His purpose was also to prepare Israel for their kingdom and instruct them in righteousness

Because you want everything neatly tied in a bow, and the Word of God doesn't work that way.
Of course, the ministry of Jesus was multi-facetted.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[DougE]

Because you want everything neatly tied in a bow, and the Word of God doesn't work that way.
Of course, the ministry of Jesus was multi-facetted.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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We can only go by what we have in scripture

Did you see the post I sent you on the assertion of one church?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Did you see the post I sent you on the assertion of one church?

I’m not at all interested in your visit to the three churches.

 

[DougE]

I’m not at all interested in your visit to the three churches.

ok but its not about 3 churches
Its about problems with there being only one church you would have to resolve

 

[DougE]

I’m not at all interested in your visit to the three churches.

The post is about there being only one church
For instance, Paul is an apostle, but can he be an apostle along with Peter and the twelve if there is just one church