Paul - the apostle.

[Garee]

To be more accurate, translations are rarely "by someone" (to mean an individual). They are typically by committee and funded by a specific denomination that already has established doctrines, beliefs, and traditions of faith that they want their Bible to support. Look at the motive behind specific translations, even the KJV and you'll know why I decided to learn Koine Greek for myself 50 years ago. I know translators who have been fired because they refused to go along with the desired (mis)phrasing of the organization paying for the translation. Bias is evil (and that flat out describes the NIV).

One exception, of course, is Martin Luther who by himself translated the New Testament into German for the SOLE purpose of proving that his doctrine of Soteriology (how one gets saved) was right, and that the Pope's was wrong. The ironic thing is that Martin Luther had to change two verses in his German Bible so that they would line up with his "Salvation by faith alone" heresy.

Luther's BIG mistake, though, was that he could not conceive that other people could read the exact same German and arrive at a completely different understanding than he did. Drove him furious.

(Sorry your PM hasn't been sent yet.)
Rhema

PS: Do you mean "Stir the pot too much?"
(I think I stir it just the right amount. )

Studying koine Greek is no guarantee a person is rightly interpreting the Bible. Adding to it changes the meaning of a word and violate sola scriptura

The Greek word Apostle (sent messenger) has been completely corrupt.


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[Christ4Ever]

Because he was talking to the Jews. Who understood that a sacrifice is not bloodless, and that it is in the blood that you have redemption.

Jews who understood wrongly.... That was the whole point of why the Father had to send a Messiah - because Judaism (whichever flavor) was wrong.

For in the day that I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to them or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.- Jeremiah 7:22 NRSV
(Be sure to read the entire chapter)

Again, read Leviticus, and you will see that he did not speak to them, but to Moses. Unless you think Moses lied about it. Shrug, can't help you there, but evidently the Jews did continue to sacrifice and understood the sacrificial system whether required of them or not, as did Paul, who made it as I said unnecessary to explain it to them...power in the blood! \o/

I guess one could read Leviticus to get that understanding...

How can you say, "We are wise, and the TORAH (which includes Leviticus) of the LORD is with us," when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?- Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV
(Be sure to read the entire chapter)

Now you are frustrating and need to find another site. You have stated previously that the OT has been distorted, and so unreliable because of the scribes. If that is so, then if it is all unreliable, then even your reasoning is flawed because it will always be based upon distorted writings, that you can't confirm as being true. Oh, I love you brother, but don't come back when you leave. When text, context, and greater context is irrelevant to you to consider/use, and then when your eyes/self-reasoning says is true, can only be true then you are lost to have any discussion with anyone not you or possibly Leumas. You might want to contact Leumas and do your own site.

First, I realize how radical and unsettling this post might be. But the purpose of my post was to show that from the time of John even up to the sermon of Paul in Acts13, there was no mention at all of Jesus being any blood sacrifice to pay for sin.

In Acts 13, Paul mentioned not one word of Jesus being the blood sacrifice to pay for sins. (THAT'S MY POINT.)

Jesus did not have to for He was without sin. If He had then you'd be arguing that He couldn't be without sin, and thus the perfect sacrifice because He had done sin offerings at the temple!
It also necessary that He die as a sacrifice or know it now that you are still in your sin because you have no covenant blood being shed. But according to the Abrahamic Covenant and what is recorded is doubtful, since the scribes....

His words at Passover, should be enough to show you, but I doubt it.

At that particular time, I will state again Paul did not have to because it was understood by the audience, but he did in other places to different audiences. (THAT'S MY POINT).

and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Colossians 1:20 NIV

Please realize that I AM OPEN to being shown where I might be in error

ROFL - you may really think you are "OPEN", but from what I have seen, the instances that you have acknowledged you were wrong I could count on 1 hand, with 3 fingers missing, and one was not even for what was being said but in regard to some irrelevant comment you had made. I thought at the time you must be grinding your teeth in typing it, and why it didn't seem to fit to what was being said in the thread or post you were replying to.

I'll post this and then move it over to the Blasphemy thread along with your reply, so that it will satisfy your not disturbing this thread comment. Though instead I just might make a copy of both, so that others can see both replies and look to the other thread if they want to follow our back and forth. So, no need to reply to this one here, but if you want you can reply to the copied one at the thread called Blasphemy. Adios.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Garee]

Offering up a human blood sacrifice to pay for sin?

How wonderfully Aztec.

The dynamic dual;

Christ not seen demonstrated through Jesus the Son of man dying flesh and blood Declaring, that the spirit of life is the dying flesh blood. The outer clothing flesh. Comes in many sizes and colors male and female.

But like all spiritual unseen (living sacrifices) the corrupted blood must be poured out of the dying flesh so the literal spiritless lifeless blood can return to dust. and powerful Spirit return to the Holy Father of all Spirit life

Christ does no offer dead sacrifices

James 2:25-26 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Paraphrased . .For as the body of the Son of man Jesus without the Spirit of Christ is dead, so also is Christ's labor of love without that work of the Father is dead also.

The new born again life we live is of the Holy Father

Faith the unseen understanding the I AM power

Faith the red letter word. "Let there be "

Like Jesus informs us. . dead flesh and blood profits for zero nada. God is not a man as us

John 6:63;It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

 

[Deep Seeker]

RHEMA ,
I would like to know what You believe concerning The Bible Text?
Was it just words given by men at various times ? IF so, then why not just junk It?

 

[Garee]

RHEMA ,
I would like to know what You believe concerning The Bible Text?
Was it just words given by men at various times ? IF so, then why not just junk It?

It would seem that is what brother Rhema's Moravian theology is performing, making sola scriptura Junk. By simply re-defining the word apostle taking away the meaning intended by the author Christ.

Violating the loving warning not to add or subtract meaning from one word it can destroy the whole book of life the book of prophecy called the Bible or sola scriptura (Deuteronomy 4:2)

Moravian theology teaches the prophecy of God is inspired from men and not heavenly falling down like rain. And puff up one apostle (sent messenger) against the other adding new gospel of Thomas. Or calling a few words of Christ's prophecy found in the prophecy of Jude a whole book The delusion of a blank "Let there be" check .a oral tradition of dying mankind

The elect (born again Christians) was warned beforehand that false apostles will never give up trying to add to sola scriptura with "I heard it through the dying fathers grape vine" The Pharisees with Sadducee ideology

The lord set the pattern (sola scriptura) on Mount Sinah the first time with his finger hewn out two tables and with his finger he wrote ten (ten laws ten represents the total or complete). written on both sides with no room for I heard it through the dying father grape vine.(oral tradition)

When Moses came down, the antichrists were exercising I heard it through the dying father grape vine. Christ yoked with Moses moved him to destroy the first set of two. (Two a word that denotes one God not seen has spoken). Our dynamic dual the Father and the not as I will son team

The first set or witness the breaking of the letter of the law "death" (Romans 7:6) to represent the Old Testament. This time to show the priesthood of believers. (Exodus 7)

Moses was moved to hewn out the two new tablets and again with His finger wrote on both sides with no room for oral traditions of dying mankind. The new set to represent the new born again Testimony.

To the law "let there be" and its good testimony (sola scriptura)

Isaiah 8:20;To the law (1) and to the testimony (2): if they speak not according to this word,(one) it is because there is no light in them.
Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.





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