Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

[Curtis]

This is the sin that the Holy Spirit will convict the world of.

Obviously if you are being convicted of sin you are in the world before becoming a child of God.

 

[Curtis]

Have you read any gospel presentation that sinners were to repent from all sins in order to be saved?

If a person wants to get saved, they first must make that decision (repent, change their mind) before they accept Jesus there savior. No body gets saved first and then decide to change their mind to get saved. A decision to change your mind (repent), and accept Jesus is paramount be salvation. Repentance is making a decision to go the other way other than the way you were going. This is a major problem because a lot of people accept Jesus as their savoir to escape hell fire, but they never changed their mind (repented) to change the direction their life is headed.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

What do you think this scripture means?

1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

That happens when a believer walks in the light. Now consider what happens when the Believer doesn't walk in the light.

What happens if we become faithless after becoming a child of God?

2Ti 2:13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.

That is the truth I wish to share whereby those found in unrepentant iniquity are disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper and will be left behind... unless they repent before the Bridegroom comes.

What happens if one of your children become disobedient are they still your child? Do you not correct them when they are wrong? God is smarter then we are and he corrects, chastises those who are his so we might be partakers of his holiness.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

I consider this chastening as applying to a believer that runs the risk of not running that race in Hebrews 12:1-2 by not looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help him lay aside every weight & sin.

It is impossible to be a child of God, and then be corrected for bad behavior and then all of a sudden you stop being his son.

Correct, but like the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for wild living, he can never get it back, even though he is still son. That means not every saved believer will be taken at the pre great trib rapture event. If God warns the church at Thyatira to repent or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation as God will judge every children by their works with death when iniquity is found on that foundation, then that means those left behind are still His, but denied by Him for being in that iniquity. Once left behind, that iniquity will be burned away from that foundation of that believer and because the foundation remains, that believer is still saved because He is faithful for He still abides .. even in former believers too.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Obviously if you are being convicted of sin you are in the world before becoming a child of God.

Well, the sin of unbelief in Jesus Christ is the only sin a sinner will be convicted of by the Holy Ghost that counts because they were already condemned.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

If a person wants to get saved, they first must make that decision (repent, change their mind) before they accept Jesus there savior. No body gets saved first and then decide to change their mind to get saved. A decision to change your mind (repent), and accept Jesus is paramount be salvation. Repentance is making a decision to go the other way other than the way you were going. This is a major problem because a lot of people accept Jesus as their savoir to escape hell fire, but they never changed their mind (repented) to change the direction their life is headed.

But that is not the same as knowingly repenting from all sins that the sinners knows to be sin, otherwise, the Gentiles believers would not need to be taught to abstain from certain sins. That is what running the race is all about. That is why discipleship has to be separate from salvation.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they...….19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

And then they delivered the epistle.

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia. 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.

So not every saved believer knows what sin is when they have been living in it. The same goes for the works of the flesh so they can sow to the fruits of the Spirit instead as they look to Jesus Christ with confidence that He will finish what He has begun in them. That is why Jesus commanded His disciples to make disciples of other new believers.

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

He did not speak these things so that we may obtain salvation, but that our joy may be full which is the point of discipleship. Again, this can only be done by faith in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd in running that race in helping us to bear fruit as His disciples

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...… 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

 

[regibassman57]

It seems the wheat (believers) and the tares (lukeware believers) starts with the sower sowing righteous seed. The sower (Jesus) comes and sows spiritual seed into the world, those that receive it become the wheat; sons of GOD (John 1:12). Then the devil comes among the wheat and also sows spiritual seed; but his seed is information contrary to the seed Christ has sown. Christ’s seed is love not the world (1John 2:15), the devil’s seed is love the world. This is tare information. Through this, believers that receive this information become malnourished and do not develop into full grown wheat, but they become weeds, worthless because they are unfruitful. This is why Jesus cursed the fig tree, it was fruitless.

The tares (Lukewarm believers) spiritual nourishment is the cares and the riches of this world, which they put before the word of GOD. Tares are also those believers (prior wheat) that gives up on Christ because of the trials and tribulations (the devil's spiritual influence) they go through and they start believing the lie of the devil that they can’t do what Christ says, or it’s not worth it. They get tiered of the restrictions, taste not, handle not, etc, which the devil deceive them to believe.

Their lack of the nourishment of GOD’s word is how they become tares (weeds), good for nothing in the body of Christ. This is the purpose of understanding the parable of the sower. Matthew 13:41 teaches us, GOD will send His angels and they shall gather out of His Kingdom all that offends and do iniquity (lawlessness); these are the tares. If a person does not bring forth 30 fold, 60 fold or 100 fold fruit, they are lukewarm believers in the body of Christ (the church) without true faith. Grace allows for them to be in the body of Christ until GOD judges His church, then the tares (lukewarm believers) will be revealed and removed and cast into the fire.

 

[exsurfbum]

In the following verse, God talks about the children of Satan and the children of Eve. That means Satan has fathered children in the world. And there's nothing in the Holy Bible that indicates he ever stopped having children with females on earth. The Devil's children walk the earth today.

Holy Bible - Genesis 3:15 (ESV)

15 I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and her offspring;
he shall bruise your head,
and you shall bruise his heel.”

There's nothing in the Bible that indicates he (Satan) ever had children with females on earth.

 

[Brad Huber]

There are only two Kingdoms that oppose each other. The Kingdom of light, and the kingdom of darkness. There is no middle earth neutral area.
The scriptures say at one time we were once "darkness", but now we are "light" in the Lord. (Eph 5:8) Light would be considered as sons of the kingdom, and tares (darkness) would be the sons of the devil.

So according to that, Peter, the head of the Church after Christ left, was of the kingdom of darkness, because when he told Jesus that he should not, would not die, Jesus called him satan ("Get behind me satan"). Strange that, Jesus hanging out with satan and then making him head of the church after he left. Matt 16:23

 

[Curtis]

So according to that, Peter, the head of the Church after Christ left, was of the kingdom of darkness, because when he told Jesus that he should not, would not die, Jesus called him satan ("Get behind me satan"). Strange that, Jesus hanging out with satan and then making him head of the church after he left. Matt 16:23

Jesus was NOT speaking to Peter but to Satan who putting that thought into Peter's mind! We wrestle not against flesh, and blood but against principalities, powers, and spiritual wickedness in high places.

 

[Brad Huber]

Jesus was NOT speaking to Peter but to Satan who putting that thought into Peter's mind! We wrestle not against flesh, and blood but against principalities, powers, and spiritual wickedness in high places.

I fully agree, but your statement doesnt allow for the FACT that their is light and darkness in ALL of us. But for those saved and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, we have a guide that allows us to be the light much more than we are darkness. But I assume you will not agree.

 

[Brad Huber]

Jesus was NOT speaking to Peter but to Satan who putting that thought into Peter's mind! We wrestle not against flesh, and blood but against principalities, powers, and spiritual wickedness in high places.

And although Jesus was speaking to the evil thought that was put into Peter's head by satan, Peter DID speak it, thats an action, it requires you to think about it and accept it as true and worth speaking, so although Jesus was speaking mostly to satan, He was ALSO speaking to Peter!

 

[Curtis]

And although Jesus was speaking to the evil thought that was put into Peter's head by satan, Peter DID speak it, thats an action, it requires you to think about it and accept it as true and worth speaking, so although Jesus was speaking mostly to satan, He was ALSO speaking to Peter!

This is why Jesus said, "take no thought saying......"(Matt 6:31)

We are told to be slow to speak, and quick to hear.(James 1:19)
There are a lot things we think that we should never let come out our mouths. (Prov 30:32)

 

[newname]

Hmmmm.... this seems to be coming up a lot lately. There was another thread recently about people being "born saved".

We are not naturally the "children of God". We have to be "born again" in order to qualify. God is a spirit, we have to be born of the Spirit.

Now we don't have be "born again" to be children of the devil. What makes someone a child of the devil?

John 8:44; "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

I suppose we are all "naturally" the children of satan. But I wonder if there comes a time when we "choose" to be.
Some people never hear about Jesus. But many people hear about Jesus and reject Him. Who's children do these people become at that point?

He said that to the pharisees who had hardened their heart and had gone too far. I don't believe I was a child of the devil before I got saved, else I couldn't have gotten saved. I was a child of wrath, but He loved me when I was a sinner. He didn't love the pharisees who blasphemed the Holy Spirit. The ones that can't be saved are the ones who have gone too far. If Judas hadn't been born he would have gone to heaven. Jesus said to the pharisees that they crossed the country for a convert and MADE him a child of hell, worse than themselves. People are not born evil, as a child of the devil. Any toddler will accept Jesus if their parents let them. What I find sad is that the children from Jerusalem wanted Him, but their parents wouldn't let them.

 

[newname]

The first time I was told that Satan sired Cain through Eve I thought to myself, boy that sounds satanic to me. But after long study on this subject I believe it to be true. Christ did teach this in the parable of the tares. Matt 13:36 This is Christ teaching this. Gen 3:14 This is God talking to the serpent/Satan. God said to the serpent, because thou hast done this, I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. This word seed here, if my memory is correct is *****. John 8:44 He was a murderer from the beginning. For he is a liar, and the father of it. My friends, who was the first murderer? Let’s see, hum, oh I know it was Cain. Cain was the son of Satan sired through Eve. I know it sounds satanic and it was. This is the reason that God gives the genealogy of Cain and Adam. Cain was not in Adams genealogy and Adam was not in Cain’s genealogy. Satan knew that Christ would be born upon this earth through the seed line of Adam and Eve and this impregnation of Eve by Satan was Satan’s attempt to have the Christ come forth as part of him. Trying to destroy the plan of God. Cain’s children in the Bible are know as the KENITES. Witch means, sons of Cain. They were responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. This is why Christ pointed them out in, Rev 2:9 and 3:9. These Kenites claim to be of the tribe of Judah but do lie about this fact, but are of the synagogues of Satan. This teaching of truth is not taught in main stream Christianity for some reason. Probably cause they don’t know it themselves.

Know is communion, become one. Know good and evil by experience. That can be sex (he knew his wife and she bore a son) or spiritual. Because they listened and sinned, they spiritually became one with the devil, so they became half good, half bad. One son was spiritual, good. The other bad, offspring spiritually from satan. Because if Cain was real offspring like with the angels who had sex with women later before the flood, he would have been a nephilim and a demon, no good in him at all. If the devil had sex with Eve, why on earth would Adam sin too and stay with her?
If Adam would let his son Abel go to the field with his brother, a giant, it would be Adam's fault and it would have been a miracle he didn't kill him earlier.

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain,

 

[gordon]

"He said that to the pharisees who had hardened their heart and had gone too far. I don't believe I was a child of the devil before I got saved, else I couldn't have gotten saved. I was a child of wrath, but He loved me when I was a sinner. He didn't love the pharisees who blasphemed the Holy Spirit. The ones that can't be saved are the ones who have gone too far. If Judas hadn't been born he would have gone to heaven. Jesus said to the pharisees that they crossed the country for a convert and MADE him a child of hell, worse than themselves. People are not born evil, as a child of the devil. Any toddler will accept Jesus if their parents let them. What I find sad is that the children from Jerusalem wanted Him, but their parents wouldn't let them."

God hates all workers of iniquity/sins, Psalm 5:5, but calls all men to repentance which is love for the world and done after Christ is risen. Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: The Pharisees could not have gone too far, because they are shown to have done what they did through ignorance..

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Judas without being born= neither born, nor born again= not heaven..John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The Pharisees did evil, but so did Apostle Paul, chief of the evil, the perfect example for this ALSO A BLASPHEMER..

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1 Timothy 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

People are what Jesus calls us, it is the title for us all to be evil, and look who our Heavenly Father is anyway.

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?.

Jesus calls men of God, to walk the same path as Christ, toddlers don't do that. Do not obey the commandments of Christ, to love our brothers by laying their lives down for them, and faith comes by hearing, toddlers have yet to hear...

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

The ones of Israel, children and parents never were allowed to know..

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

 

[newname]

"He said that to the pharisees who had hardened their heart and had gone too far. I don't believe I was a child of the devil before I got saved, else I couldn't have gotten saved. I was a child of wrath, but He loved me when I was a sinner. He didn't love the pharisees who blasphemed the Holy Spirit. The ones that can't be saved are the ones who have gone too far. If Judas hadn't been born he would have gone to heaven. Jesus said to the pharisees that they crossed the country for a convert and MADE him a child of hell, worse than themselves. People are not born evil, as a child of the devil. Any toddler will accept Jesus if their parents let them. What I find sad is that the children from Jerusalem wanted Him, but their parents wouldn't let them."

God hates all workers of iniquity/sins, Psalm 5:5, but calls all men to repentance which is love for the world and done after Christ is risen. Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: The Pharisees could not have gone too far, because they are shown to have done what they did through ignorance..

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Judas without being born= neither born, nor born again= not heaven..John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The Pharisees did evil, but so did Apostle Paul, chief of the evil, the perfect example for this ALSO A BLASPHEMER..

1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1 Timothy 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

People are what Jesus calls us, it is the title for us all to be evil, and look who our Heavenly Father is anyway.

Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?.

Jesus calls men of God, to walk the same path as Christ, toddlers don't do that. Do not obey the commandments of Christ, to love our brothers by laying their lives down for them, and faith comes by hearing, toddlers have yet to hear...

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

The ones of Israel, children and parents never were allowed to know..

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Luke 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

I don't mean Paul and the ones who did get saved, just the ones Jesus talked to in Matthew 23 and such. He didn't call them to repentance. Neither did John the baptist. The ones who blasphemed the Spirit couldn't be forgiven. You shouldn't pray for those who sin unto death.
He didn't even want them to see so they could get saved.

He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."
John 12:40, KJV

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicksunder her wings, but you were not willing!38 See! Your house is left to you desolate;39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.” 15 And He laid His hands on them and departed from there.

So who were not willing? I guess the parents who shouldn't forbid them to come, since babies and little children can't choose and reject Him.

Toddler may be too young to accept Jesus' offer, but they came to Him and can accept Him at least with 5 years old.

 

[gordon]

" in Matthew 23 and such. He didn't call them to repentance. Neither did John the baptist. The ones who blasphemed the Spirit couldn't be forgiven. You shouldn't pray for those who sin unto death.
He didn't even want them to see so they could get saved."

All men are called to repentance, God gave HIs only begotten Son as a sacrifice, for the way and reason to repent, Jesus died after Matthew 23 and all the dealings with the Pharisees, so the dying for the world was yet to come as was repentance...

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

You are assuming they blasphemed the Spirit, Jesus never said they did, only you state it. THat is why those who speak against the Son of man have forgiveness, because we knew Chgreisat after the flesh, then we know Him no more after the flesh once risden from the dead, He is quickened y the Spirit=is Spirit from then on, and the Spirit was only given after Christ rose from the dead not before, they cannot blaspheme what was not yet given....

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

To not pray for blasphemers ? That is your wrong private interpretation yet again. Read the verses for once, you are the servant of sin unto death, or, are the obedience unto righteousness. All sin is unrighteousness, and all sin is unto death. Those begotton of God sin not, they keep themselves from that wicked one. Churches teach wrongly about blasphemy, because they do not know Christ, they know Him only as they know everybody and everything, after the flesh that is, but that which is Spirit is Spirit, and that which is flesh is flesh....
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit....

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

1 John 5: 16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Children came to Christ and went away again, and we know the way of Christ is, those who put their hand to the plough and look back are not fit for the Kingdom of Heaven. We can go y the evidence of who received the Holy Spirit in the new testament, it is always very much men we see, I am sure if there was a verse that shows children being filled wit the Holy Ghost, you would have shown such.

 

[newname]

" in Matthew 23 and such. He didn't call them to repentance. Neither did John the baptist. The ones who blasphemed the Spirit couldn't be forgiven. You shouldn't pray for those who sin unto death.
He didn't even want them to see so they could get saved."

All men are called to repentance, God gave HIs only begotten Son as a sacrifice, for the way and reason to repent, Jesus died after Matthew 23 and all the dealings with the Pharisees, so the dying for the world was yet to come as was repentance...

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

You are assuming they blasphemed the Spirit, Jesus never said they did, only you state it. THat is why those who speak against the Son of man have forgiveness, because we knew Chgreisat after the flesh, then we know Him no more after the flesh once risden from the dead, He is quickened y the Spirit=is Spirit from then on, and the Spirit was only given after Christ rose from the dead not before, they cannot blaspheme what was not yet given....

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

To not pray for blasphemers ? That is your wrong private interpretation yet again. Read the verses for once, you are the servant of sin unto death, or, are the obedience unto righteousness. All sin is unrighteousness, and all sin is unto death. Those begotton of God sin not, they keep themselves from that wicked one. Churches teach wrongly about blasphemy, because they do not know Christ, they know Him only as they know everybody and everything, after the flesh that is, but that which is Spirit is Spirit, and that which is flesh is flesh....
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit....

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

1 John 5: 16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Children came to Christ and went away again, and we know the way of Christ is, those who put their hand to the plough and look back are not fit for the Kingdom of Heaven. We can go y the evidence of who received the Holy Spirit in the new testament, it is always very much men we see, I am sure if there was a verse that shows children being filled wit the Holy Ghost, you would have shown such.

John the baptist was already filled with the Holy Ghost in the whomb.
I didn't say don't pray for blasphemers, just the verse you quote. Don't pray for those who sin unto death. I have no idea who those are, so I pray for everyone, but there was for example a preacher during WWII who didn't pray for Hitler and Mussolini, but instead said they'd be in hell soon.

 

[gordon]

"John the baptist was already filled with the Holy Ghost in the whomb.
I didn't say don't pray for blasphemers, just the verse you quote. Don't pray for those who sin unto death. I have no idea who those are, so I pray for everyone, but there was for example a preacher during WWII who didn't pray for Hitler and Mussolini, but instead said they'd be in hell soon."

John the baptist came in the spirit of Elias, as a prophet of the Lord and all the prophets had the Holy Ghost in them..

1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

John the baptist did not have the Spirit that saves us in him, otherwise Christ would not need to die for us to not all die in our sins. John just like everybody else needed to be baptized of Christ by the Holy Ghost and to be transformed/born again of the Spirit..

Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Those who sin unto death are the ones who cannot renew again to repentance..

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

So we all see, bearing thorns and briars, means we are rejected, cursed and end is to be burned, and cannot renew again to repentance, sinning to death. herbs was what we are supposed to bring forth, who gathers thorn and briars ? The ones who offend the Lord and do iniquity/sin, are cast into the furnace of fire, the righteous shine forth delighting themselves in the abundance of peace, as there is no peace in this entirely evil world fre them..

Matthew 13: 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear...(Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.)

Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delightthemselves in the abundance of peace.

Prayers is for peace sake, so we pray without judging, as we know nothing, and we all kneel to the Lord on judgement day, and for sure, everyone who expects to raise up, will not, as the Lord has no flesh to be lifted up/glory in His presence.. 1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

 

[newname]

The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”


I was wondering. It says it happened when men slept. The virgins all fell asleep.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali said: the church is dormant. Let us go into the business of converting (the muslims). She was muslim and now atheist and she saw the dangers of radical Islam decades ago.
So I was wondering: did we just let this happen by sleeping? There haven't been real revivals anymore. Most churches here have maybe a prayer hour once a week which almost noone attends. Evangelism, that was in the 80s, 90s. I never see ppl evangelizing on the street anymore. There are some groups now that do it. I'm talking about Holland btw. The devil could just lure ppl into Islam, New Age, atheism etc. This used to be a christian country. It was called the Israel of the West.

She reminds me of these men who had to wake up Jonah.