once saved, always saved?

[spirit1st]

GOD is Only One person ,One Being ! He has three parts just as we are but one being ,but have three parts to make up that being!
Each of our parts can be doing different things at the same time ! Just as God three parts do different things at the same time! all working toward the same perfect goal !

God is Not three different beings 1 Nor are we three different beings !

Listen Jesus has appeared in many forms in the Bible! He was always a part of GOD!

His flesh body was the Only begotten Son of God ! But in His Spirit He was still GOD !

We are all a Spirit being dwelling a short time in flesh bodies! Which we leave and they return to the dust of the earth they came from !
We go to heaven , where He has New bodies like His awaiting us to enter !

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

This is one of the ways JESUS appeared in the old testament ! But He was not called JESUS then ! He was God ! He still GOD !

God thinks it the Word [Jesus] speaks it and the Power [Holy Ghost] does it All one being !

Just as You might think it and then maybe speak it and then your hands do it !

Eph_3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Who Created all things ? God or Jesus or the Holy Ghost ? It took all three because they are only one being !


1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Joh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


If you do not understand ? Ask the LORD to open your eyes !
Luk_24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

be done away.
Jesus is that Perfect ONE!Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Our carnal thinking will not understand ! It takes the Holy Ghost to reveal it to us! It took me a while to see it !

 

[Stan53]

GOD is Only One person ,One Being ! He has three parts just as we are but one being ,but have three parts to make up that being!
Each of our parts can be doing different things at the same time ! Just as God three parts do different things at the same time! all working toward the same perfect goal !

God is Not three different beings 1 Nor are we three different beings !

Listen Jesus has appeared in many forms in the Bible! He was always a part of GOD!

His flesh body was the Only begotten Son of God ! But in His Spirit He was still GOD !

We are all a Spirit being dwelling a short time in flesh bodies! Which we leave and they return to the dust of the earth they came from !
We go to heaven , where He has New bodies like His awaiting us to enter !

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ

This is one of the ways JESUS appeared in the old testament ! But He was not called JESUS then ! He was God ! He still GOD !

God thinks it the Word [Jesus] speaks it and the Power [Holy Ghost] does it All one being !

Just as You might think it and then maybe speak it and then your hands do it !

Eph_3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Who Created all things ? God or Jesus or the Holy Ghost ? It took all three because they are only one being !


1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Joh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?


If you do not understand ? Ask the LORD to open your eyes !
Luk_24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

be done away.
Jesus is that Perfect ONE!Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Our carnal thinking will not understand ! It takes the Holy Ghost to reveal it to us! It took me a while to see it !

God is ONE God yes. But NOT parts. Each persona is fully God and ALL are ONE God. That is the mystery of God.

 

[DutchChristian]

GOD is Only One person ,One Being !

This is error!

There is only one GOD, but not one Person or Being who took three consecutive forms, i.e., the Father, became the Son, who became the Holy Spirit. No no!

As:

There is only one GOD

in three different Persons:

The Holy Spirit is GOD
The Father is GOD
The Son is GOD

a trinity of Persons, They are three distinct Persons yet; They are all the same GOD.

 

[spirit1st]

The Holy Ghost is GOD POWER ! The Word is JESUS CHRIST , God is the Father ! All three parts make up God being !
God is Not three separated persons ! He is One being with three parts ! Just as He made Us !

We are three parts But just one person !

GOD is NOT three different persons ! IT ok ! I know it can be confusing to many ?

But There is Only One true GOD and He has three parts ! The father the word and His power the Holy GHOST!

Jesus came out of GOD the HOLY GHOST also comes out of GOD ! They are all three part of GOD ! They are not separate from GOD !
They are in perfect unity with GOD always 100%

There is no separation !

The called can fall way , many do ! But the Elect Cannot ! Because We do not keep ourselves ! He alone keeps us !

1Pe_1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


That why satan always trying to cast doubt on eternal life ! trying to get mankind to doubt God power to keep them !

It really of the devil doubting and teaching doubt !

1Pe_1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

1Pe_4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.


He has declared each of us over comers at salvation ! It cannot be changed !
1Jn_4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

That scripture is 100% Truth ! Our new Spirit cannot sin !

1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Only our weak flesh can sin !

Heb_2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Because only our Spirit goes to New Jerusalem and it is perfect !

Rom_7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
2Co_4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

inward man is our new perfect spirit being HE makes all who are willing to accept HIS gospel as truth and HIM from there heart [Spirit] as LORD!

The hidden man is also our Spirit man !
1Pe_3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

New Man ! is also our new spirit
Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

He formed in us at salvation ! Meaning our New spirit is just like Him 1 except we start off like any new birth as a baby !

Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

It has HIS perfect type nature and mind !

2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

1Jn_2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We are like HIM Now in our New Spirit! But we also get a body like His in New Jerusalem !



1Th_5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
That why there is a rapture!
He cannot bring His wrath upon His own family and household! Which we are Now!

 

[DutchChristian]

Dear spirit1st,

The Holy Ghost is GOD POWER ! The Word is JESUS CHRIST , God is the Father ! All three parts make up God being !
God is Not three separated persons ! He is One being with three parts ! Just as He made Us !

We are three parts But just one person !

GOD is NOT three different persons ! IT ok ! I know it can be confusing to many ?

But There is Only One true GOD and He has three parts ! The father the word and His power the Holy GHOST!

your above statement is false, as:

The Holy Ghost is GOD (and not a God Force or God's Force. no no!)

Receive the Correction it is done out of Love from The LORD!

The Father is GOD
The Son is GOD
The Holy Ghost is GOD

trinity of Persons, They are three distinct Persons yet; They are all the same GOD.

Take heed!

1 Timothy 4:
16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 

[spirit1st]

Listen to me ? It takes All three parts of GOD to be GOD! where would HE be without HIS POWER the Holy GHOST ?
Where would HE be without His WORD [JESUS CHRIST} ?

Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev_22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

 

[Stan53]

Listen to me ? It takes All three parts of GOD to be GOD! where would HE be without HIS POWER the Holy GHOST ?
Where would HE be without His WORD [JESUS CHRIST} ?

Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev_1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Rev_21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev_22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

God is NOT made up of parts. Father, Son, Holy Spirit are ALL God, separate, BUT indivisible. ONE God.

Matthew 28:19

 

[Chad]

Well said @Stan53

For everyone else, here's a suggestion: pray before you post. You have a responsibility as believers that you must uphold speaking in truth and in love. Anything else you will be judged for.

1 Timothy 6
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to b wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the 1 doctrine which accords with godliness,4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions,52 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. 3 From d such withdraw yourself.

Revelation 22:8-10
18 8 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, 9 God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, k God 10 shall take away his part from the 11 Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[rhilton]

"GOD is Only One person ,One Being ! He has three parts just as we are but one being ,but have three parts to make up that being!
Each of our parts can be doing different things at the same time ! Just as God three parts do different things at the same time! all working toward the same perfect goal !"

When you state that God is only one person and that the three parts of God do different things at the same time sounds much like subordinationism/modalism theology. In this theological scheme there is only one God who is Jesus and He represents Himself at different in different modes. One time He is the Father, another time He is the Son, and another time He is the Holy Spirit. Is this what you are attempting to say?

 

[spirit1st]

JESUS was GOD manifested in the flesh ! In His flesh JESUS was the Only Begotten Son of GOD ! But in His spirit He was always a part of GOD!
Jesus was not called Jesus until He came into the flesh 1 But the word was always a part of GOD ! He appeared in the old testament many times!
Moses saw Him as a cloud during the day and a pillar of fire at night !

This is the word which we now call JESUS , Because He came in a real flesh body !

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them:

Exo_13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:



This was Jesus , but He was not known as JESUS then !

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Jesus Christ is the Word of GOD !

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh

Joh_6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
Joh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

 

[Stan53]

JESUS was GOD manifested in the flesh ! In His flesh JESUS was the Only Begotten Son of GOD ! But in His spirit He was always a part of GOD!
Jesus was not called Jesus until He came into the flesh 1 But the word was always a part of GOD ! He appeared in the old testament many times!
Moses saw Him as a cloud during the day and a pillar of fire at night !

NOT what Col 1:19 or 2:9 say. Jesus IS fully God, not just a part. The WORD is fully God as defined in John 1:1-2, NOT a part.
A part signifies something LESS than the whole, and Jesus is NOT less than God, He IS God. FULLY God.
Moses saw what God manifested, NOT God.

 

[blackbear4110]

I have been raised to not believe in OSAS. However, after reading through all 9 pages of responses in this discussion, I'm beginning to wonder if there are not 2 types of OSAS that are being referred to by different parties??

The typical one that I hear so much about, and that is probably the reason why a lot of people do not accept OSAS as correct theology, is the thinking that: IF you went to the alter during a revival or church service and said a prayer, and "got saved" when you were 8 years old, then for the rest of your life, regardless of what kind of sin you recklessly live in, you will still be saved and will go to Heaven when you die.
I do not believe that.

The other kind of OSAS, a distinction I'm beginning to see, but perhaps it's just me, is that: when you truly get saved and become a new creature in Christ, and your life begins to transform as a result of that salvation experience, and you're walking with the Lord daily, you need not fear losing the hope of your salvation in Christ.
I do believe this.

The difference being: the one is used as a license to live in sin without consequence, the other is living a life of repentance while holding onto the promise of our salvation given by God.

There are a lot of really good Scriptures given throughout this topic that seem to both support OSAS and disprove OSAS. And I think (personal opinion) we're seeing a support of the life of repentance and a disproval of the claimed license to sin. Am I right?

Also, is there a difference between 1.) backsliding and making mistakes, and 2.) actually rejecting, turning from, and denying Christ/God?
Because, the Bible talks about sin (which is missing the mark, or missing the bulls-eye, when you were aiming for it), and then it talks about iniquity, or a life-style of sin (not even aiming for the bulls-eye). So, wouldn't a "backslid-en Christian" be one who is trying to do what is right and live for God, but makes mistakes in his flesh...while someone who actually rejects God and walks away from the free gift of salvation is someone who really doesn't care about loving or pleasing God, and God gives them over to a reprobate mind?

I'm not completely 100% sure in this area of my faith, so this is more a question than a statement. But my thinking is that God doesn't "take away" our salvation, nor can we "lose" our salvation because we made mistakes when we were truly trying, followed by a true repentance for our sin against Him. BUT if we make a mockery out of Christ by not giving a rip about what He did for us on the Cross, not caring about the price He paid for us out of love, and screaming that "I don't care what God did" attitude in God's face by our actions of a life-style of sin and an unrepentant heart (for actions speak louder than words), then are we not in danger of God giving us over to a reprobate mind?? Because it is my understanding that people who have been given over to a reprobate mind can not, indeed, neither seem to WANT to, come back into God's arms. Like a prodigal son who never realized the err of his ways, and never returned home. How can the Father welcome a child back if the child never comes back and seeks to be welcomed back?

 

[Stan53]

I believe the biggest issue or reason for supporting OSAS is the entire reformed doctrine. I don't know any person who ONLY accepts OSAS and not the rest of the flower.
IF OSAS was FACTUAL, ALL scripture would support it. The fact is ALL scripture does NOT support it.

 

[DutchChristian]

There is no security in sin!

Osas is not the Truth, besides that sin is not described as: "missing the mark" but sin is transgression of the law.

Sin is the problem still today.

There are many defenders of OSAS, but where are the defenders of righteousness and Holiness?

Psalms 94:
16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?

now surely not all OSAS supporters are evil or abuse this doctrine, but i can tell you it sure works this with many.

As many things can happen in the walk of a Christian; some fall away (apostacy), some enjoy riches and the worlds pleasures so much and get drawn away by it, some have their faith shipwrecked, some will not forgive others and get bittered and hard heartened... some fall from grace. surely many dangers lies ahead not all finish the race!

OSAS is a favourite pet doctrine of many many Christians, but many also misuse it's grace it supposedly freely gives some even dare to say that all of their future sins are already forgiven even in advance (without any confession or repentance made) that is madness.

We all know that God does not change

Malachi 3:
6 For I Am The LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Titus 2:
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

God wants us to life our lives Holy, righteously and godly and set apart: not like the world, as we are called out of the world to be holy and set apart! Osas to many is used as a license for immorality and it stinks.

i notice that often if i touch or even poke at this OSAS, people respond very vehemently to defend their feel good - secure in sin doctrine, they use it as a clock to feel secure in their sin (to some) but one day it will all come down and the nest of wickedness of what this brooding in this doctrine really and has worked into people and has caused will be made manifest!

Many people just love their sin... OSAS is the ideal armour to hide behind so as to feel good security in sin, sin all you want you will be forgiven nonsense.

Hebrews 12:
14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

many people want the benefits of a Christian life but not the holiness, "i should live godly and rightously and love not worldliness?? no way i am out of here!" Many respond, don't worry here itching ear preaching OSAS gives you the answer, now thanks to our favourite OSAS serpent "Ye shall not surely die" LIE, you can now feel save whilst you sin... God FORBID! (now not all abuse this doctrine) but it's working is there on the wait for you and if you teach others OSAS wrongly then that is not good neither as:

We need to hate evil more and love that which is good and godly, and not:

Love the sin more and righteousness less and love what is worldy... no!

1 Peter 1:
16 Because it is written, Be ye Holy; for I Am Holy.

Yes and that is not the 'all package deal all is transferred now you are completely HOLY already, no denial of self and of ungodliness, and just go ahead live like the world....' No! Remember Titus 2:12

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

There is no such thing as: "security in sin"

Listen: denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; !


Ezekiel 33:
11 Say unto them, As I live, saith The Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

Ezekiel 18:
4 Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Remember now God does not change, do not be fooled with OSAS fairy tale of being secure whilst in your sin, you only lose some rewards.... LIE, do you not hear? hear ye not? that that is the devil himself speaking: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: OSAS

 

[rhilton]

What is OSAS theology?

 

[rhilton]

I answered my own question. I have never heard it referred in that way.

 

[blackbear4110]

"The word, sin, is the most general term for those actions which are wrong. One word picture looks at sin as missing the mark. If we think of this in the terms of an archer shooting for a bulls-eye in a target, this may give us a good idea of the meaning of sin. He may overshoot the target. We do that when we go beyond God's allowed actions and commit what are commonly called sins of commission. That is, we do something we are not supposed to do. However, the arrow may also fall short of the mark. This would be a picture of sins of omission. This refers to the things we should have done but fail to do. The arrow might even go to the right or to the left of the target, but we are to follow God's word without turning from it to the right hand or the left hand (Joshua 1:7). Therefore, anything that comes short of the perfect glory of God (the center of the target) is sin (Romans 3:23). Sin covers all wrong doing of any sort." ~David Reagan

I would include a link to the website I copy-and-pasted this info from, but I cannot post links yet...on the other hand, my dad has preached this exact same concept to me my whole life, but it was easier to copy-and-past David Reagan's wording than to try to stumble around and say it in my own often misunderstood coming-across-wrong words.

At any rate, I am not saying that a sin is any less a transgression against God by calling it "missing the mark". But rather, I'm making a distinction between the intentions of the heart.
It can be easy to mess up on accident, to make a mistake, to aim for the bulls-eye but miss...that does not mean we let it slide and give you an A+ anyway. God requires us to be Holy as He is Holy. That's like a requirement to hit the bulls-eye dead-center every single time. But we miss the bulls-eye a lot, even though we aim for it. Doesn't mean we say "Oh well, you tried, we'll go ahead and give you a good score anyway.". It's still wrong, it's still not good enough.
BUT, there IS a difference between trying our best to hit the bulls-eye, and not trying at all!

YES! We still need forgiveness for a sin. YES! We still must come to the Father in true repentance and with a contrite heart.
But if we weren't trying in the first place, chances are we won't care that we missed it and messed up, resulting in a lack of urgency to repent.

Repenting reinstates us with God, receiving His forgiveness and washing us clean again. And seeing as no human (except Jesus, of course) has ever been able or ever will be able to live a perfect life free from sin, we must enter into a lifestyle of constant repentance while doing our very best to be Holy as God is Holy, and to obey Him and love Him.
The biggest problem with OSAS is that the falsified thinking of "I'm ok no matter what I do" does not present the urgency or importance to live in repentance for sins and iniquity committed against God.

 

[AudreyNicole]

Hello harvester,

I am sure by now you have received your answer to this question..... it seems you have received a few! I have read through some of the thread and, as with most, I disagree with some and agree with others. I wanted to write a bit about my knowledge of the subject in hopes that it may add some benefit to the conversation, and perhaps to your knowledge as well.

I believe in the principle of OSAS. When a soul is saved by God, it is guaranteed eternally secure salvation, for just as in marriage, no man can take apart what the Lord has done. No truly saved man can destroy the Lord's work of salvation, for this would imply that man is stronger than God. The bible gives no evidence that a new birth can be taken away, for while man can be born-again, man cannot be unborn.

In fact, the Bible offers many words on the security of true salvation. Consider these verses, from GotQuestions.org:
- Romans 8:30 ...There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven.
- John 3:3, Titus 3:5 ....Again, there is no evidence a new birth can be taken away
- John 14:17, Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 12:13 ... all believers are baptized into the Body of Christ and in-dwelt by the Spirit. For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.
- John 3:15 ....states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.


Thus, true salvation, in my belief, is eternal and forever, as God promised. Now, notice I have spoken of true salvation, for I believe there can be a false sense of salvation, and this indeed can be lost. When we witness once followers fall away, and what most people would argue as "lost-salvation", I would say those people were never really saved at all. They may have thought they were, and they may have even uttered the words and done the deeds, but if they are able to turn their backs on the Lord, they were never really facing Him in the first place. When a person is saved, it is as though they meet Christ, and continue to walk with him throughout their lives. We wont be sinless and perfect, but will be growing with Him to become more like Him, and that innate and never-ending desire is what "marks" true salvation. It causes an ongoing and consistent change throughout the believer's life, another mark of salvation, and this specific process if known as sanctification.

The true test for salvation though, is a matter of the heart. We will all continue to sin, even when we're saved (that is the plight of our existence), however, the saved person will sin, be convicted by the Spirit, repent and seek forgiveness, and grow as a result of that sin. The unsaved person will sin, feel no conviction, have not a repentant heart, seek no forgiveness, and decay in his heart as a result.

 

[Glow]

Hallelujah! Glory to GOD!

John 10:
28 And I give unto them eternal Life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My Hand.

Is a wonderful Promise from The Almighty Lord Himself Amen indeed Amen i sure love it, believe it and reading it makes me very happy

29 My Father, which Gave them Me, Is Greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of My Father's Hand.

But let us not forget the verse preceding before these wonderful verses, verse: 27 to fully understand this verse so that it will give us more understanding:

John 10:
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:

Does that sound unconditional? Like as in: "Once you are in you will automatically make it even if i turn my back on The Lord Jesus?" Or: "Once i am saved i don't have to follow Jesus nor His Commandments. And John 14:21, John 15:10 honestly i really hate those verses and nor do i understand His Word because according to OSAS my favourite doctrine i can now follow after the world and it's wickedness o surely i may dwell in it's wickedness? because OSAS teaches i am going to heaven no matter what all is forgiven anyhow.." Or: "Hey even if you want to apostacize? i hate God now after several years i was once saved back in 2007 but now: hey now i love this world more then God i must still be good to go? o yes i believe i will go into heaven because Gods Love is unconditional and i kept my belief in OSAS"... God Forbid!

No...

John 10:
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me:

This verse speaks of the ones that follow The Lord Jesus: His sheep and they understand His voice and are His sheep, the saints: those are the ones that no man can pluck out of His Hand.

They are the ones that walk with Jesus and follow Him! And God Keeps them!

Now just a question in between, ask yourself this question:

Is simple obedience to Gods Word a works salvation?

hmmm......


Now on to some more Scripture:

Matthew 7:
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the Will of My Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy Name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Does that sound like OSAS to you?

1 Peter 1:
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I Am Holy.

And let us not forget:

2 Timothy 3:
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2 Timothy 4:
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Jude 1:
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Don't walk away yourself!

2 Timothy 4:
10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.

OSAS and Calvinism is not true.

Luke 9:
23 And He said to them all, If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

Matthew 10:
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.

Matthew 10:
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess Me before men, him will I confess also before My Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny Me before men, him will I also deny before My Father which is in heaven.

OSAS is an unconditional no matter what you do, once you are saved you are forgiven no matter what LIE that even if you do not repent and become a drug addict porn watching bank robber and murderer you will supposedly still NEVER be able to lose it, not even if you turn your back and apostacize? (God forbid!) Now is that true? Can i spit God in His Face and to His Holy Commandments, not keep them at all but follow after my own pleasures more then God and love this world, and not forgive others and even with hatred towards God's people still make it into heaven? According to OSAS LIE you can....

BUT

Matthew 6:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Romans 8:
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

And i am not about works salvation (if you think that), i am saved by grace through faith!

Ephesians 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

And God Keeps His own most assuredly o yes AMEN

But don't you yourself leave Him! Keep walking with The LORD!

And know that His Grace is not a license for sin! The Lord Jesus Christ did not come to die on the Cross so that we could continue to life a lifestyle of sin worldliness and continue to be friends of this world! We are called to be set apart and holy unto The LORD!

But OSAS LIE says you can never out-sin the grace of God, you are saved NO MATTER WHAT you do you are guaranteed of heaven even if you live like the devil, and lose your faith alltogether you will still be saved = LIE

And does that make common sense to you?

Of course not!

And look at the fierce ANGER of The LORD against sin!

1 Corinthians 10:
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

God hates sin so why would God want to accept OSAS (God forbid! forgive me of speaking so!) so that more sin would creep into many churches and houses?

Do not be deceived!

Galatians 6:
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Romans 11:
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

God Bless you,
dutch

Those who say "Lord, Lord" are those people who aren't truly saved in the first place. They are not those who have the Holy Spirit. If I'm not mistaken (and I say this not to be rude) your argument seems to hinge on the human argument, and not God's argument. The human side says, "If they believe they are saved always, then they will sin and live wicked lives." The Lord's argument says, "No one can snatch them out of my hand." (John 10:28)

"He who began a good work in you will finish it...." (Philippians 1:6)

Just like you, I do not agree with people who sin and live wicked lifestyles just because they think they are saved. However, "they went out from us because they were not of us." (1 John 2:19)

Again, it means that those who truly are Christian will not leave, and those who leave were not truly Christian.

 

[Puddleglum]

OSAS is a Idol
Jesus never said OSAS did he, in fact no one did in the Bible.
Sure i understand some of the ones that claim OSAS are not a problem but i find they are always looking to them selves only in the picture, but i am looking at this from the out side looking at people every day not individuals so much, and so i see one seeking and being lead astray by the OSAS idolatry. but most who push OSAS are more to do only about themselves, and this turns them into a fearful panic, thinking one is saying to them, that they are not saved at all. they then runaround in hysterics and think the other is attacking them personally. when in fact i know i am not the one to judge at all as who is or is not. but they don't understand that or believe you.
Then their is another saying, there is no evil in this house ! and with that i nearly fall over backwards. Idolatry !