I agree. Sin and satan is in our flesh.. we don't get rid of that until we die.. the Spirit of God is in our spirit.. the human mind is a good part of us that needs to be set on the Spirit. Christ got rid of his Adamic nature by dying on the cross..but we don't get rid of ours until we also die... but actually the Spirit of Christ within us contains all the elements of Christ's human life, death and resurrection therefore in our spirit we are dead to the Adamic nature...but in our flesh it is still present.
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I agree. Sin and satan is in our flesh.. we don't get rid of that until we die.. the Spirit of God is in our spirit.. the human mind is a good part of us that needs to be set on the Spirit. Christ got rid of his Adamic nature by dying on the cross..but we don't get rid of ours until we also die... but actually the Spirit of Christ within us contains all the elements of Christ's human life, death and resurrection therefore in our spirit we are dead to the Adamic nature...but in our flesh it is still present.
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I cannot for the life of me believe how this can apply to the Christian. This must surely apply to the unconverted Paul, that nature of his that was unregenerated. How can you read these scriptures and apply them to Paul the apostle? He doesn't understand what he was doing? Not practicing what he wants to do? Doing what he hates? Not doing the good he wants to do, but doing the evil he doesn't want to do? This is the state of the unconverted, attempting to attain to righteousness but constantly failing. The solution? I thank God through Jesus Christ!!!
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I guess this is just one of those things we will have to agree to disagree on
1 Pet 4:14; If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you.
1 Pet 4:15; Make sure that none of you suffers as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler;
We can be a Christian and sin, maybe even a murderer or thief.
1 Pet 4:3 For the time already past is sufficient for you to have carried out the desire of the Gentiles, having pursued a course of sensuality, lusts, drunkenness, carousing, drinking parties and abominable idolatries.
1 Pet 4:4 In all this, they are surprised that you do not run with them into the same excesses of dissipation, and they malign you;
This verse doesn't say no dissipation at all, it says "the same excesses of dissipation" as them. It sounds like they still sin "a little".
2 Pet 1:4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
2 Pet 1:5 Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge,
2 Pet 1:6 and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness,
2 Pet 1:7 and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love.
2 Pet 1:8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This is a progression, these are things that should be "increasing" in you.
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Rom_6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom_6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Our New creature , [New Spirit] CANNOT SIN ! It DEAD to SIN ! But because of being unable to sin ! Alive to our perfect holy GOD ! Becaise our Spirit is Perfect like Our LORD JESUS ! There is No Sin in Jesus and we [OUR SPIRITMAN] is in HIM ! Now the problem becomes Walking and living More in our Spirit ! so we GAIN control over the WEAK sin natured Flesh !
Fast is a wonderful thing for us to do ! We REAP so much good from it ! I find we do not need to fast very long or not very offen ? We can see when the flesh starts gaining control and we start doing things that are NOT CHRIST LIKE ? I found it only takes three days , water only and praying and reading His living word! i worked hard the first day ! but the 2nd day our minds not working good and satan attacking us and doing everything and anything to try and stop us ? that when we need to pray ! God helps us ! the 3rd day our minds are so clear ! It just unbelievable How clear our thinking is ! How clearly we Hear Him and can talk back and forth !
Listen the highest and most happy i Ever been in my life time ? was just talking with Him back and forth !
I thought i were Bust, I was So full of JOY!
after all we were CREATED FOR HIM only ! That why Every person on Earth wants To give LOVe and be LOVED ! Even the very worse !
Because We Were created By LOVE to LOVE and Be LOVED ! that at the Very core of our Being ! Many mistake Sex for LOVE ! But it Is GOD every person on Earth REALLY wants ! a Relationship with HIM ONE on ONE!
We will Never be truly happy without It ! HE our REASON for LIFE and Death [Leaving these bodies ! Because we CANNOT DIE!
Death is really No relationship With HIM ! Life is a eternal Relationship with HIm ! Which we have at Salvation and of Course Forever MORE ! HE Never leaves our spirit , Nor forsakes it !
Rom_6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Our New creature , [New Spirit] CANNOT SIN ! It DEAD to SIN ! But because of being unable to sin ! Alive to our perfect holy GOD ! Becaise our Spirit is Perfect like Our LORD JESUS ! There is No Sin in Jesus and we [OUR SPIRITMAN] is in HIM ! Now the problem becomes Walking and living More in our Spirit ! so we GAIN control over the WEAK sin natured Flesh !
Fast is a wonderful thing for us to do ! We REAP so much good from it ! I find we do not need to fast very long or not very offen ? We can see when the flesh starts gaining control and we start doing things that are NOT CHRIST LIKE ? I found it only takes three days , water only and praying and reading His living word! i worked hard the first day ! but the 2nd day our minds not working good and satan attacking us and doing everything and anything to try and stop us ? that when we need to pray ! God helps us ! the 3rd day our minds are so clear ! It just unbelievable How clear our thinking is ! How clearly we Hear Him and can talk back and forth !
Listen the highest and most happy i Ever been in my life time ? was just talking with Him back and forth !
I thought i were Bust, I was So full of JOY!
after all we were CREATED FOR HIM only ! That why Every person on Earth wants To give LOVe and be LOVED ! Even the very worse !
Because We Were created By LOVE to LOVE and Be LOVED ! that at the Very core of our Being ! Many mistake Sex for LOVE ! But it Is GOD every person on Earth REALLY wants ! a Relationship with HIM ONE on ONE!
We will Never be truly happy without It ! HE our REASON for LIFE and Death [Leaving these bodies ! Because we CANNOT DIE!
Death is really No relationship With HIM ! Life is a eternal Relationship with HIm ! Which we have at Salvation and of Course Forever MORE ! HE Never leaves our spirit , Nor forsakes it !
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But our old flesh isn't dead to sin. It needs to be crucified daily.
Luke 9:23 And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.
Joh_6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Rom_14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
It Not what others say is GOD will and work ! It only what He tells us ! Then the question becomes are WE HEARING HIM 1 are we speaking with Him daily !
Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
God does Not want us under any Bondage 1 He came to set us FREE of all bondage !
Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Listen if we are doing Anything that displeases HIM ? HE will let You know Quickly ! He does not need me or anyone else telling you how to live !
Now there are certain things we All know is evil and displeases our Father GOD ! stealing hurting others killing messing with another man wife ! But most things are not sin ! They might be a form of bondage ? But if we like it and it not hurting others . so what !
We are Bound by LOVE and Faith ! the Joy of the LORD is the Very best we get in this LIFE ! and it Wonderful !
God might lead us to tell someone something ? just keep sure it not the devil !
Rom_14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
It Not what others say is GOD will and work ! It only what He tells us ! Then the question becomes are WE HEARING HIM 1 are we speaking with Him daily !
Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
God does Not want us under any Bondage 1 He came to set us FREE of all bondage !
Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Listen if we are doing Anything that displeases HIM ? HE will let You know Quickly ! He does not need me or anyone else telling you how to live !
Now there are certain things we All know is evil and displeases our Father GOD ! stealing hurting others killing messing with another man wife ! But most things are not sin ! They might be a form of bondage ? But if we like it and it not hurting others . so what !
We are Bound by LOVE and Faith ! the Joy of the LORD is the Very best we get in this LIFE ! and it Wonderful !
God might lead us to tell someone something ? just keep sure it not the devil !
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This is a thought provoking thread.
Here are a few things that I feel "I" (and whoever else it might benefit) need to feed into the equation.
Isaiah 41:12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.
My present understanding is that old man was never anything but a false imagination that attempted to exalt itself,first in Adam then in his offspring.
Satan was a liar from the beginning and is nothing more than a false imagination or a lie that Adam partook of.
Jesus IS the truth so everything else is something else that is not truth.
Lots of things are true but true is subject to change and is not truth.
Someone may call me a sinner but that's not the truth,Jesus is the truth.
The flesh wars against the truth so the flesh or carnal mind is an enemy that is actually nothing and it never was anything but an imagination or liar.
2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
It is not people we are called to bring into captivity,no we are to set the captives free.
Our enemy is not unbelievers it is unbelief.
If you think you are a sinner then you are allowing an enemy of the truth to exalt itself.
If you think you are a new creature seated in Christ then you are believing on truth.
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Thoughts that disagree with God are the sinners or tares that grow along with the truth or wheat developing in the field of our consciousness.
Jesus said pray that the Lord of harvest send laborers into the field,this also applies the the field that is our conscious mind.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
We will suffer the consequences of wrongdoing,wrong being and wrong thinking sooner rather that later(eternally) because if we are sons then God will quickly send correction.
2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
It is God who calls,sanctifies and develops his sons not us.
Here are a few things that I feel "I" (and whoever else it might benefit) need to feed into the equation.
Isaiah 41:12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.
My present understanding is that old man was never anything but a false imagination that attempted to exalt itself,first in Adam then in his offspring.
Satan was a liar from the beginning and is nothing more than a false imagination or a lie that Adam partook of.
Jesus IS the truth so everything else is something else that is not truth.
Lots of things are true but true is subject to change and is not truth.
Someone may call me a sinner but that's not the truth,Jesus is the truth.
The flesh wars against the truth so the flesh or carnal mind is an enemy that is actually nothing and it never was anything but an imagination or liar.
2 Corinthians 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
It is not people we are called to bring into captivity,no we are to set the captives free.
Our enemy is not unbelievers it is unbelief.
If you think you are a sinner then you are allowing an enemy of the truth to exalt itself.
If you think you are a new creature seated in Christ then you are believing on truth.
Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Thoughts that disagree with God are the sinners or tares that grow along with the truth or wheat developing in the field of our consciousness.
Jesus said pray that the Lord of harvest send laborers into the field,this also applies the the field that is our conscious mind.
1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
We will suffer the consequences of wrongdoing,wrong being and wrong thinking sooner rather that later(eternally) because if we are sons then God will quickly send correction.
2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
It is God who calls,sanctifies and develops his sons not us.
It Not GOD fault we Do not read the bible or ask Him for the correct undrstanding ! It our Fault ! Many never grow because they refuse to do the right things ? Going to church ! Reading the Bible ,Praying and praying with our childrn and family ! The Holy Ghost will not force any to do those things or make us fellowship with HIM !
God revealed it all to us in the Bible ! He Willing to Teach each one of Us One on One ! But we must want it !
Heb_5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
We will never be Able to blame GOD for anything ! He provided Everything salvation 1 A teacher ! and lots He puts in us at Salvation !
He has a job with a Anointing for each of us ! It up to us to do it or Not?
God revealed it all to us in the Bible ! He Willing to Teach each one of Us One on One ! But we must want it !
Heb_5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
We will never be Able to blame GOD for anything ! He provided Everything salvation 1 A teacher ! and lots He puts in us at Salvation !
He has a job with a Anointing for each of us ! It up to us to do it or Not?
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Hello brakelite.
Noticed your post #22.
You stated that (Romans 7:15,19) was past tense, before
Paul's conversion. In fact brakelite, it is very much present
tense! You miss understand what the subject of (Romans 7) is.
The subject of (Romans 7) is the futility or death that is inherent
in those who live by the dictates of the flesh. Your flesh even if you
accept the Gospel will not obey the truth! Our flesh wages war
against the Spirit. We have this internal conflict every day.
Here read this line;
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells;
for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
This is true of the non Christian as well as a Christian who
continues to live by the demands of the flesh.
One must crucify the flesh and its desires brakelite.
One must die with Christ to experience Life in Christ.
One must walk by the Spirit within, God within, in the
newness of Life in Christ.
So is this what (Romans 8) will state, yes sir;
Romans 8
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh,
but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Read on;
12 Therefore, brethren (Christians), we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. (crucify the flesh, this is mandatory)
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Very much present tense brakelite.
Life in Christ is Life in the Spirit.
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Yes Sir, you have scored a bulls eye please collect the prize.
"Now the problem becomes Walking and living More in our Spirit ! so we GAIN control over the WEAK sin natured Flesh !"
This is what Romans chapter seven and eight are all about.
Life in Christ is Life in the Spirit, we must crucify the old nature so that the new creation
may take its first breath.
Rom_8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,
Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
What kind of a Spirit Do you think He gives US ?
1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The Natural Body is our flesh ! It DEAD to GOD because of SIN ! The spirit is our Inward man ,once Born of GOd is Perfect !
Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
What kind of a Spirit Do you think He gives US ?
1Co_2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Gal_4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The Natural Body is our flesh ! It DEAD to GOD because of SIN ! The spirit is our Inward man ,once Born of GOd is Perfect !
