No Human has Gone to Heaven but Jesus!

[Bill]

When your temple comes to an end on planet earth, then that person cannot be known ever again.

New incorruptible bodies neither male nor female Jew nor gentile bodies. Not reincarnation the rising in the same body

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (Jesus the son of man) no more.

What in the heck are you talking about. Your body was made by Ash and it's going to return to Ash. But your soul lives on forever

 

[Dave M]

Good catch. But even if we go to heaven "temporarily". It seems that won't be our final destination.

the final destination of believers is not "heaven" in the traditional sense, but rather dwelling with God in the New Jerusalem on the New Earth—because God Himself will dwell there.

I definitely agree with you on the temporary dwelling in heaven, but seems every time I see evidence in the word about people dwelling in there now, I like to put it in this thread Came across this today. It does not say if those who dwell are angles or creature or man, maybe all three, those indicate more then one for sure.

Revelation 13-6
Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven

 

[Garee]

What in the heck are you talking about. Your body was made by Ash and it's going to return to Ash. But your soul lives on forever

Yes and our new bodies. .the bride. . . neither male nor female Jew not Gentile

No reincarnation meaning "to rise again". Like the fictional mysterious Phoenix .

Reincarnation the key to identify theft just use your own imagination. If male come back female, if humans come back as a animal .if white come back black.

Reincarnation ressurection the foundation of racism judging by outward appearance character assignation

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith . .belief the unseen eternal things of Christ of som.

Today racism is used to represent ressurection political power. . Hollywood politics.

 

[B-A-C]

No reincarnation meaning "to rise again". Like the fictional mysterious Phoenix .

1Cor 15:12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Cor 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
1Cor 15:15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
1Cor 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
1Cor 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Cor 15:19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

If this is all there is... no after life... (which is really an atheist point of view) .. then why even bother with being a Christian?

 

[Garee]

1Cor 15:12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Cor 15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
1Cor 15:15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
1Cor 15:16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
1Cor 15:18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
1Cor 15:19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

If this is all there is... no after life... (which is really an atheist point of view) .. then why even bother with being a Christian?

There is no dying flesh and blood after life. Spiritual invisible life yes. .

Dying flesh could never enter heaven . Nothing to see like an atheist out of sight out of mind.

His word a lamp unto our feet the true light it can open the eyes of one's new born again heart

As sons of God born again believers, we are not what we will be. One new body, neither male nor female Jew nor gentile an entirely new creature

Not Frankenstein a recharge, reincarnation LOL

No commandment be fruitful and multiply.

The old dying suffering life will not come to mind or be remembered forever and ever more

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

[Bill]

There is no dying flesh and blood after life. Spiritual invisible life yes. .

Dying flesh could never enter heaven . Nothing to see like an atheist out of sight out of mind.

His word a lamp unto our feet the true light it can open the eyes of one's new born again heart

As sons of God born again believers, we are not what we will be. One new body, neither male nor female Jew nor gentile an entirely new creature

Not Frankenstein a recharge, reincarnation LOL

No commandment be fruitful and multiply.

The old dying suffering life will not come to mind or be remembered forever and ever more

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

 

[Garee]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

LOL I think you meant you have no idea

Our new bodies will be neither male nor female . . . .Jew nor Gentile.

Why support reincarnation?

 

[Bill]

LOL I think you meant you have no idea

Our new bodies will be neither male nor female . . . .Jew nor Gentile.

Why support reincarnation?

There is no such thing as reincarnation.
You are not flesh, the Temple of the Holy Spirit is your physical self. Your soul, what you can not see, that is within the physical body

 

[B-A-C]

Our new bodies will be neither male nor female . . . .Jew nor Gentile.

Unless you have scripture that specifically states this.. it is a false doctrine. Certainly not sola scriptura.

 

[Bill]

Unless you have scripture that specifically states this.. it is a false doctrine. Certainly not sola scriptura.

I've tried to tell Garee a few times that I have been there repeatedly via God's calling to me. "Come up here"

 

[Garee]

Unless you have scripture that specifically states this.. it is a false doctrine. Certainly not sola scriptura.

Hi Thanks

the promised new incorruptible bodies all die not receiving Hebrew 11:39 these bodies of death return to the field of clay

Remember as born again believers sons of God we are not what we will be when we receive. God is vailing his bride

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is

I would ask do you think Christ was crucified among believers ?. He called them foolish (no god in our heart) believers do foolish things trust or exercise faith in the temporal historical things seen above that not seen things of Christ's faith a labor of his "Let there be" perfect love

The context

Galatians3 :1-3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched (blinded) you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law,(trusting the temporal things seen) or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit(eternal), are ye now made perfect by the flesh?(temporal)

The testimony

Galatians3 :25-29;But after that faith (eternal) is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.;For ye are all the children of God by faith(eternal) in Christ Jesus.For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.;And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

The two literally become one new creation he wife or bride

 

[B-A-C]

when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is

...when "He" appears... ..like "Him" .... as "He" is... not sexless, not genderless.
He and she. Not them and they.

Mark 5:9 And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he *said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many."
It's interesting the demons are often multiple entities.

 

[B-A-C]

Galatians3 :25-29;But after that faith (eternal) is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.;For ye are all the children of God by faith(eternal) in Christ Jesus.For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.;And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So you again are taking two verses out of context and trying to combine them into your own doctrine.

Galatians 3 mentions nothing about resurrection... there is no context of resurrection anywhere around this verse at all.
It is saying it doesn't matter what race you are, or what gender you are.. everyone has equal value to God.

It doesn't say these things don't exist (obviously there are men and women in the world (unless you're a liberal) it says
they make no difference in your standing with God. No one is more important because they are black or white, or even Jewish.. No one matters more because they are a man or a woman... but this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the resurrection.

So you still haven't given anything that ties being genderless and raceless to the resurrection.

Here is an example...

Doctrine of the Holy Snack​

Verse 1:
John 6:35 — “Jesus said to them, ‘I am the bread of life.’”

Verse 2:
Proverbs 25:16 — “If you find honey, eat just enough—too much of it, and you will vomit.”

New Doctrine:
In heaven, believers will be sustained by divine snacks. Jesus, being the Bread of Life, will personally serve holy carbohydrates. However, Proverbs warns that overindulgence in sweet things leads to spiritual nausea. Therefore, heavenly feasting must be carefully portioned, and gluttony is the unforgivable sin in eternity.

Make sure you don't eat too much of Jesus or you will get sick.

Doctrine of the Rapture Workout Plan​

Verse 1:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 — “Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds…”

Verse 2:
1 Timothy 4:8 — “For bodily exercise profits a little…”

New Doctrine:
Only those who maintain a regular fitness routine will be physically fit enough to be “caught up” in the rapture. The Greek word for “caught up” is harpazo, which clearly implies explosive vertical movement—like a divine squat jump. Therefore, believers must train their legs and core to be rapture-ready. The Apostle Paul was clearly hinting at spiritual CrossFit.

If you can't jump at least 6 inches off the ground, there is no rapture for you!

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You can't just randomly mix multiple verses and make a new doctrine out of them..

Do you realize how chaotic this is? I could make up any doctrine about anything I wanted to.

 

[Garee]

...when "He" appears... ..like "Him" .... as "He" is... not sexless, not genderless.
He and she. Not them and they.

Mark 5:9 And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he *said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many."
It's interesting the demons are often multiple entities.

Thanks

Look to the unseen spiritual things of faith the resurrection power not the temporal historical dying

I would offer. In Isaiah 62: the Holy Father Christ promised to rename his bride a new name which he did in Acts calling her Christian. Named after her husband and founder of the city of Christ,

For as a Christ the husband married a virgin(unmarried), so shall thy sons (the church) marry thee: and as the bridegroom (Christ) rejoiced over the bride,(Churcn ) so shall thy God(Christ) rejoice over thee.

The parable below

Isaiah 62:1-5 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth; And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.(Christian)Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.;Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.;For as a young man (Christ) married a virgin,(Church) so shall thy sons (not daughters) marry theeChrist) and as the bridegroom (Christ) rejoices over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Paul reckoned as a surrogate mother suffered in birth pains holding out the gospel of Christ to Timothy till Christ was formed

man male The whole doctrine new creatures the church owmd not

Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Galatian 4:19;My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Galatian 4:26;But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the (surrogate) mother of us all.For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren (no way to procreate) that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. (Christ)

Study how the word mother is used it can aid when searching out the mysteries hid in parables

 

[Daring]

Now you use scripture....One single scripture ...and you built an entire doctrine on it...An entire doctrine on a single verse?!

Well, do you rip out verses you don't like?

 

[Bill Taylor]

Acts 2:34 KJV 'For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,'

So if David had not ascended into heaven by the date of 33 AD after dying about 1000 years previously - 'King David of Israel reigned from around 1010–970 BCE. He was the second king of Israel, succeeding King Saul' - where was or is he today?
And if he had not ascendd then why do so many 'Christians' claim the dad fly off to heaven?

Also when Jesus died the earthquake broke open the tombs and some saints walked about the village. Who believes the dead were resurrected that day? who could those saints have been - local believers killed for preaching the Gospel?

The supposed tomb containing the bones of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Cave of Machpelah with the variously modified building above it but it is 19 miles from Jerusalem so they were unlikely to be the ones in Jerusalem?
Good old Wikipedia ever ready to worship Satan claims: 'most historians believe the Abraham-Isaac-Jacob narrative to be primarily mythological.'

Nobody, including King David, goes to Heaven without Yashua, including David and He might very well have been there.

 

[Garee]

...when "He" appears... ..like "Him" .... as "He" is... not sexless, not genderless.
He and she. Not them and they.

Mark 5:9 And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he *said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many."
It's interesting the demons are often multiple entities.

Like him not literally him. He works in his bride the church

The legion is Satan many. false Apostles.

 

[Daring]

Now you use scripture....One single scripture ...and you built an entire doctrine on it...An entire doctrine on a single verse?!

Not one scripture!
Do you want MORE?

 

[Bill]

Thanks

Look to the unseen spiritual things of faith the resurrection power not the temporal historical dying

I would offer. In Isaiah 62: the Holy Father Christ promised to rename his bride a new name which he did in Acts calling her Christian. Named after her husband and founder of the city of Christ,

For as a Christ the husband married a virgin(unmarried), so shall thy sons (the church) marry thee: and as the bridegroom (Christ) rejoiced over the bride,(Churcn ) so shall thy God(Christ) rejoice over thee.

The parable below

Isaiah 62:1-5 For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth; And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.(Christian)Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.;Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.;For as a young man (Christ) married a virgin,(Church) so shall thy sons (not daughters) marry theeChrist) and as the bridegroom (Christ) rejoices over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Paul reckoned as a surrogate mother suffered in birth pains holding out the gospel of Christ to Timothy till Christ was formed

man male The whole doctrine new creatures the church owmd not

Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the Lord hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Galatian 4:19;My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Galatian 4:26;But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the (surrogate) mother of us all.For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren (no way to procreate) that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. (Christ)

Study how the word mother is used it can aid when searching out the mysteries hid in parables

If you saw the things that I see. If you experience the things that I experienced. You would not be talking the way you do, LOL.

I wish that everyone could Experience One spiritual battle where they are involved with the angels and then you would see everything

 

[Daring]

You need to read the scriptures here over and over, with the Holy Spirit explaining it to you, until you see the truth of it....Its there....Three thousand Jews heard it and got saved because of it. Paul was speaking to the Jews of the day and they all understood it...

.You do not. Even your head knowledge is wrong. Stop being an enemy of the cross of Christ and get saved

RIGHT! I offered to show you FAR more scriptures- but yo ignored it.