No Human has Gone to Heaven but Jesus!

[Bill]

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Some personal thoughts:

The whirlwind thing was a good way to both shift the mantle which was "blown" off from the one to the other, AND to ensure that there would be continuity between the two positions. Elijah's last miracle shall be Elisha's first; thus he begins where Elijah left off, ensuring there is no vacancy. The whirlwind thing was a smooth and effective maneuver.

Elisha's first comment was NOT "Where is Elijah?", but "Where is God?" (v. 14).

Also, with the whirlwind thing, it was not obvious to the other attendees that Elijah was, in fact, taken permanently off the earth. For example, they sent 50 men to check if Elijah had been removed to some mountain or valley (v. 16-17). There was a serious question raised by them about exactly where Elijah had been transported to. Obviously, many believed he had not been taken away permanently "to heaven." Perhaps something about the whirlwind, about the entire nature of the "transport," that had them doubting that Elijah had been taken into God's presence permanently.

The scriptural kicker for me is that the Holy Bible does not say that Enoch went to heaven when he was translated. Instead, it says he "was not found." The word "translate" means "to put or place in another place, to transport, to transfer." Nowhere in the Scripture does ‘translate’ mean to make immortal. The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16 where Jacob's body was ‘translated’ or ‘transported’ to Sychem, where he was buried.

I am confident we WILL learn the truth of the matter...
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It says God took him. (Enoch) , and where did Jesus say that the Father was?

 

[Bill]

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Some personal thoughts:

The whirlwind thing was a good way to both shift the mantle which was "blown" off from the one to the other, AND to ensure that there would be continuity between the two positions. Elijah's last miracle shall be Elisha's first; thus he begins where Elijah left off, ensuring there is no vacancy. The whirlwind thing was a smooth and effective maneuver.

Elisha's first comment was NOT "Where is Elijah?", but "Where is God?" (v. 14).

Also, with the whirlwind thing, it was not obvious to the other attendees that Elijah was, in fact, taken permanently off the earth. For example, they sent 50 men to check if Elijah had been removed to some mountain or valley (v. 16-17). There was a serious question raised by them about exactly where Elijah had been transported to. Obviously, many believed he had not been taken away permanently "to heaven." Perhaps something about the whirlwind, about the entire nature of the "transport," that had them doubting that Elijah had been taken into God's presence permanently.

The scriptural kicker for me is that the Holy Bible does not say that Enoch went to heaven when he was translated. Instead, it says he "was not found." The word "translate" means "to put or place in another place, to transport, to transfer." Nowhere in the Scripture does ‘translate’ mean to make immortal. The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16 where Jacob's body was ‘translated’ or ‘transported’ to Sychem, where he was buried.

I am confident we WILL learn the truth of the matter...
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"Also, with the whirlwind thing, it was not obvious to the other attendees that Elijah was, in fact, taken permanently off the earth. "

As for myself, i have no doubt that Elijah is in Heaven, as i have seen him there many times.

He is a teacher to me

 

[Garee]

"Also, with the whirlwind thing, it was not obvious to the other attendees that Elijah was, in fact, taken permanently off the earth. "

As for myself, i have no doubt that Elijah is in Heaven, as i have seen him there many times.

He is a teacher to me

I would offer

I think in the parables Christ makes His makes winds (invisible things) as messengers into whirlwinds "swift messenger." Or swift apostles. Apostle meaning sent messenger Like UPS, Fed X, Air Mail or this "Talk Jesus Forum"

Whirlwind a circular path, air moving in a rapid, upward spiral, The faithful drawing power of the Hoy Father Abba

How beautiful was the swift feet of the apostle Elijah.

Elijah is used to represent the unseen power of the Holy Spirit in parables. That faithful power as a privilege was passed on to John the Baptist
Used to represent the Old Testament saints as well as new

Luke 1:16-18;And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.;And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.;And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

Elijah is dead asleep like John the Baptist awaiting the Lazarus "rise up again sleepy head" time for a new incorruptible body

Believer can seek after the one invisible entity our Holy Father .the living God to those dead in there trespass and sin .We certainly do not seek after dead Elijah or Abel the first martyred apostle

One invisible teacher Christ. One faithful powerful source "Let there be" sola scriptura

Isiah 8:19-20;And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and (with) to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Some personal thoughts:

The whirlwind thing was a good way to both shift the mantle which was "blown" off from the one to the other, AND to ensure that there would be continuity between the two positions. Elijah's last miracle shall be Elisha's first; thus he begins where Elijah left off, ensuring there is no vacancy. The whirlwind thing was a smooth and effective maneuver.

My own personal thoughts with a couple of scripture tossed in
True, but the physical act of actually be given the mantle was not a hand to hand but rather one would take it as it fell either off Elijah's shoulders/hands and from a height. Now whether Elijah was carrying it, or he was wearing it, we can't say, but "fell" like I said speaks of height and of hitting the ground. This was important since its mentioned in 2 verses one right after the other v13-14. As if to affirm Elisha's possession of it, since it was used as part of the miracles as well. As shown in the parting of the Jordan by both prophets.

Elisha's first comment was NOT "Where is Elijah?", but "Where is God?" (v. 14).

The whole verse or even the sentence makes for a better understanding. Personally, I believe that Elisha was not too sure of himself, so it would read "And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah?" The first part being descriptive of his action, and the latter part of the sentence actual words being spoken and why you see the capitalization of "Where". At least in the KJV.
So, not being too sure of himself and whether God would do as he asked, he had to do it through God, because Elijah was no longer in the picture, and that it was up to him and God, which I'm sure he had a bit of doubt about even after seeing all the things he had seen. Which is probably no different than any one of us would be. At least me! Like Jesus saying even greater things you will do, then He says now it's your turn to do it, go for it! lol

Also, with the whirlwind thing, it was not obvious to the other attendees that Elijah was, in fact, taken permanently off the earth. For example, they sent 50 men to check if Elijah had been removed to some mountain or valley (v. 16-17). There was a serious question raised by them about exactly where Elijah had been transported to. Obviously, many believed he had not been taken away permanently "to heaven." Perhaps something about the whirlwind, about the entire nature of the "transport," that had them doubting that Elijah had been taken into God's presence permanently.

I won't use that reasoning about the attendees and the 50 men. First Elisha said don't send them but only after being shamed he allowed for them to be sent. (v17) However, you kind of knew they had no idea of the event that had occurred because you have to understand that it was a distance from where these others were, adding the separation of River Jordan (v7) as well, from where the whirlwind occurred, and from where they were located (v5,15).

Finally, you have to take into account that the only reason Elisha saw the leaving of Elijah even though he was present to it happening, was as a confirmation of being given a double portion of Elijah's spirit. (v9-10) Otherwise, he too would not have seen the event no matter how close he happens to be. And thereby we have a confirmation of it's happening, otherwise, we'd not have even that as a story to tell! \o/

The scriptural kicker for me is that the Holy Bible does not say that Enoch went to heaven when he was translated. Instead, it says he "was not found." The word "translate" means "to put or place in another place, to transport, to transfer." Nowhere in the Scripture does ‘translate’ mean to make immortal. The same Greek word is rendered "carried over" in Acts 7:16 where Jacob's body was ‘translated’ or ‘transported’ to Sychem, where he was buried.

I really haven't looked at the Enoch "walking with God" so until I do, I won't comment on that and the Transfiguration.

I am confident we WILL learn the truth of the matter...

Amen to that brother! \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[backNforth]

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As if to affirm Elisha's possession of [the mantle]

For me, the focus of the event is not about Elijah "going to heaven" but on efficiently and seamlessly (and respectfully) transitioning the old boss out and the new boss in - which is one reason why there is no mention of Elijah's new destination (other than being transported through "heaven"/sky).

Personally, I believe that Elisha was not too sure of himself,

I would agree with that.

First Elisha said don't send them but only after being shamed he allowed for them to be sent. (v17)

Yeah, it's like Elisha already knew their search would not bear fruit, but he conceded to their pestering anyway (not unlike some men of God today).

you have to take into account that the only reason Elisha saw the leaving of Elijah even though he was present to it happening, was as a confirmation of being given a double portion of Elijah's spirit. (v9-10)

I reckon Elisha needed that spiritual boost.
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[Christ4Ever]

As if to affirm Elisha's possession of [the mantle]

For me, the focus of the event is not about Elijah "going to heaven" but on efficiently and seamlessly (and respectfully) transitioning the old boss out and the new boss in - which is one reason why there is no mention of Elijah's new destination (other than being transported through "heaven"/sky).

Agreed. The mantle as a sign of authority, responsibility and prophetic power was something to be handed down as a sign of the passing. It's use was also what Elijah used to cover his face (1 Kings 19:13). I would say that holiness was attributed to it. (In my opinion anyway) But to stay in the subject and not stray too far afield. It reflects a physical/temporal article from an ascending Elijah to a picking up the mantle Elisha. So, not something one associates with visions. As far as the final destination of Elijah was, we can only go by what is written.

Yeah, it's like Elisha already knew their search would not bear fruit, but he conceded to their pestering anyway (not unlike some men of God today).

I reckon Elisha needed that spiritual boost.

Some tough shoes to fill!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
P.S. Oh, you might want to check out the transfiguration in the 3 Gospels side by side, that talk of it. Which I'm about to do if I can only find the time! Only one speaks of it as a vision. Also, Jesus' appearance changing prior to the showing up of Moses & Elijah. k

 

[Garee]

I reckon Elisha needed that spiritual boost.

It would seem the double portion included that which he would pass on to John the new testament to represent the power of Christ that worked in Elijah passed to Elisha and then three John .Three denoting the end of a matter in parables The gospel meaning the spiritual boost

 

[B-A-C]

It would seem the double portion included that which he would pass on to John the new testament to represent the power of Christ that worked in Elijah passed to Elisha and then three John .Three denoting the end of a matter in parables The gospel meaning the spiritual boost

“I appreciate the spiritual connections being drawn here, especially how Elijah’s ministry echoes into John the Baptist’s role. But I also think it’s important to keep the historical narrative clear—Elisha received a double portion as a real event, confirmed by witnessing Elijah’s ascension. While it’s rich with spiritual meaning, I wouldn’t say it was a parable or that it directly passed to John. Scripture shows John came in the spirit and power of Elijah, but that’s a separate divine calling.”

While it’s true that John the Baptist is described as coming in the spirit and power of Elijah (Luke 1:17), the idea that Elisha passed something directly to John is not stated in Scripture. It’s a spiritual extrapolation, not a textual claim.

A lot of these type of assertions are made, which is a bit odd, coming from someone who proclaims "sola scriptura".

 

[Bill Taylor]

Acts 2:34 KJV 'For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,'

So if David had not ascended into heaven by the date of 33 AD after dying about 1000 years previously - 'King David of Israel reigned from around 1010–970 BCE. He was the second king of Israel, succeeding King Saul' - where was or is he today?
And if he had not ascendd then why do so many 'Christians' claim the dad fly off to heaven?

Also when Jesus died the earthquake broke open the tombs and some saints walked about the village. Who believes the dead were resurrected that day? who could those saints have been - local believers killed for preaching the Gospel?

The supposed tomb containing the bones of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the Cave of Machpelah with the variously modified building above it but it is 19 miles from Jerusalem so they were unlikely to be the ones in Jerusalem?
Good old Wikipedia ever ready to worship Satan claims: 'most historians believe the Abraham-Isaac-Jacob narrative to be primarily mythological.'

Incredibly uninformeď post. Evèr hear of Enoch?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Incredibly uninformeď post. Evèr hear of Enoch?

Dear Brother,
I thought I'd let you know. Rxlx will not be able to respond since she has been banned.
If you see a line through the name like Rxlx below their avatar, you will know they have been banned.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[Garee]

Incredibly uninformeď post. Evèr hear of Enoch?

I would offer Enoch a prophet spoken of in Jude a book of prophecy Enoch is accredited with ten words of prophecy

Jude>( Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,)

Tens of thousands in the a parables equal all the saints Same kind saying of Moses another prophet both warning of false prophets like Baalam rebuked by an Ass.

 

[B-A-C]

another prophet both warning of false prophets like Baalam rebuked by an Ass.

.. interestingly enough.. the donkey could see the angel that Balaam couldn't see. Like some people today... who talk about the unseen.. but refuse to see it.

21 So Balaam arose in the morning, saddled his donkey, and went with the leaders of Moab.
22 But God was angry that he was going, and the angel of the Lord took his stand in the road as an adversary against him. Now he was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn in his hand, the donkey turned off from the road and went into the field; and Balaam struck the donkey to guide her back onto the road. 24 Then the angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path of the vineyards, with a stone wall on this side and on that side. 25 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, she pressed herself against the wall and pressed Balaam’s foot against the wall, so he struck her again. 26 Then the angel of the Lord went farther, and stood in a narrow place where there was no way to turn to the right or to the left. 27 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, she lay down under Balaam; so Balaam was angry and struck the donkey with his staff. 28 Then the Lord opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” 29 And Balaam said to the donkey, “It is because you have made a mockery of me! If only there had been a sword in my hand! For I would have killed you by now!” 30 But the donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your donkey on which you have ridden all your life to this day? Have I ever been in the habit of doing such a thing to you?” And he said, “No.”

31 Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the way with his sword drawn in his hand; and he bowed all the way to the ground. 32 Then the angel of the Lord said to him, “Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out as an adversary, because your way was reckless and contrary to me. 33 But the donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If she had not turned away from me, I certainly would have killed you just now, and let her live.” 34 So Balaam said to the angel of the Lord, “I have sinned, for I did not know that you were standing in the way against me. Now then, if it is displeasing to you, I will turn back.”

 

[B-A-C]

Angels can't die like humans can. ( no dying flesh here )

"Nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."
— Luke 20:36 (NKJV)

No dying flesh here.

 

[Garee]

.. interestingly enough.. the donkey could see the angel that Balaam couldn't see. Like some people today... who talk about the unseen.. but refuse to see it.

I would think he would have to reveal the unseen


Yes, they could see as the word of the lord gave light unto the path. The entrance of His word gives light

The message they call angel in the King James as well as many others (fake word ) as a commandment caused the donkey to crush the heel of the false prophet Balaam. Similar parable of Genesis 3:15 mixed with its witness Isaiah 53 The Holy Father striking heel crushing the head of the serpent bruising the heel.

Number22:25;And when the ass saw the angel message of the Lord, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.

He smote the Son three times with three denoting the end of the matter. A precursor of the three-day and night promised demonstration of the Lamb slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did work the demonstration which began in the garden of Gethsemane the promised demonstration of two the "dynamic dual" or Father and Son team.

There the Father struck his heel as Jesus suffered unto death >Three-times Jeus looked for help from the other apostles. Three time the Holy Father put them asleep to fulfil the prophecy of two, the Holy Faither and Son team . Then they moved to the next demonstration of three the hill skull the bloody demonstration and last the tomb

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Matthew 26::42-46;He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will The wtch of the father with the Son )be done.;And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy;And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.Rise,(wakeup) let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me

 

[Bill Taylor]

I would think he would have to reveal the unseen


Yes, they could see as the word of the lord gave light unto the path. The entrance of His word gives light

The message they call angel in the King James as well as many others (fake word ) as a commandment caused the donkey to crush the heel of the false prophet Balaam. Similar parable of Genesis 3:15 mixed with its witness Isaiah 53 The Holy Father striking heel crushing the head of the serpent bruising the heel.

Number22:25;And when the ass saw the angel message of the Lord, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.

He smote the Son three times with three denoting the end of the matter. A precursor of the three-day and night promised demonstration of the Lamb slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did work the demonstration which began in the garden of Gethsemane the promised demonstration of two the "dynamic dual" or Father and Son team.

There the Father struck his heel as Jesus suffered unto death >Three-times Jeus looked for help from the other apostles. Three time the Holy Father put them asleep to fulfil the prophecy of two, the Holy Faither and Son team . Then they moved to the next demonstration of three the hill skull the bloody demonstration and last the tomb

Matthew 26:38 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Matthew 26::42-46;He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will The wtch of the father with the Son )be done.;And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy;And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.Rise,(wakeup) let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me

This strikes me as convoluted and and needs explanation.

 

[Bill]

I would offer

I think in the parables Christ makes His makes winds (invisible things) as messengers into whirlwinds "swift messenger." Or swift apostles. Apostle meaning sent messenger Like UPS, Fed X, Air Mail or this "Talk Jesus Forum"

Whirlwind a circular path, air moving in a rapid, upward spiral, The faithful drawing power of the Hoy Father Abba

How beautiful was the swift feet of the apostle Elijah.

Elijah is used to represent the unseen power of the Holy Spirit in parables. That faithful power as a privilege was passed on to John the Baptist
Used to represent the Old Testament saints as well as new

Luke 1:16-18;And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.;And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.;And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

Elijah is dead asleep like John the Baptist awaiting the Lazarus "rise up again sleepy head" time for a new incorruptible body

Believer can seek after the one invisible entity our Holy Father .the living God to those dead in there trespass and sin .We certainly do not seek after dead Elijah or Abel the first martyred apostle

One invisible teacher Christ. One faithful powerful source "Let there be" sola scriptura

Isiah 8:19-20;And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and (with) to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Elijah isnt dead, nor is John the Baptist.

The body you inhabit is only the Temple of the Holy Spirit, nothing more. When your temple comes to an end on planet earth, you continue. If you are alive in God, then you are alive

 

[Garee]

Elijah isnt dead, nor is John the Baptist.

The body you inhabit is only the Temple of the Holy Spirit, nothing more. When your temple comes to an end on planet earth, you continue. If you are alive in God, then you are alive

When your temple comes to an end on planet earth, then that person cannot be known ever again.

New incorruptible bodies neither male nor female Jew nor gentile bodies. Not reincarnation the rising in the same body

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (Jesus the son of man) no more.

 

[B-A-C]

neither male nor female Jew nor gentile bodies.

Show me the scripture for this, show me this wording. Don't try to conflate two verses together to give them credence.
When you try to make a new doctrine by combining two verses together... it's no longer sola scriptura. It's made up scripture.

Let's unpack the ideas and compare them with Scripture and sound doctrine.

The Claim: "When your temple comes to an end on planet earth, then that person cannot be known ever again."
This seems to imply that once someone dies, their identity is lost or unrecognizable in the afterlife. However, Scripture contradicts this:

Moses and Elijah were clearly recognizable during the Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1–3). This shows that even after death, their identities remained intact.
The rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19–31) also retained their identities and memories in the afterlife.
Jesus after resurrection was recognized by His disciples, though at times their recognition was delayed (Luke 24:13–35, John 20:14–16).
The Verse: 2 Corinthians 5:16
“Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.”

This verse is not saying we won’t recognize people in the afterlife. Paul is speaking about spiritual perception — that believers are no longer to judge or relate to others based on worldly standards ("after the flesh"), but through the lens of spiritual rebirth and identity in Christ.

Theological Misstep: Combining "no male/female, Jew/Gentile" with resurrection bodies
This likely refers to Galatians 3:28:

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

This verse speaks to spiritual equality in Christ, not the erasure of personal identity or physical traits in the resurrection. The glorified body is incorruptible, but it doesn't mean we become genderless or raceless beings. Paul affirms in 1 Corinthians 15 that the resurrection body is transformed, but still recognizably us.

Bible View: Resurrection is not reincarnation
The resurrection is the raising of the same person, transformed into an incorruptible body (1 Corinthians 15:42–44). It’s not a recycling of souls into new, unrelated bodies.

 

[B-A-C]

Scripture strongly supports the idea that individual identity and recognizability persist in the resurrection and eternal life.

Reclining with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob
Jesus says in Matthew 8:11:

“I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.”

This clearly implies that:

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are still known by name.
People will recognize them and fellowship with them.
The kingdom of heaven is not a place of anonymous spirits, but of personal, relational beings.
Ruling and Reigning with Christ
In Revelation 20:6, it says:

“Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection... they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.”

And in 2 Timothy 2:12:

“If we endure, we will also reign with him.”

To reign with Christ, believers must:

Know who Christ is.
Be able to recognize Him as the risen Lord.
Maintain their personal identity to fulfill roles in His kingdom.
Jesus Himself, after resurrection, was recognizable — though glorified. He showed His wounds to Thomas (John 20:27), ate with His disciples (Luke 24:42–43), and spoke with them intimately.

Summary of Biblical Evidence for Recognizability After Death
Passage Implication
Matthew 8:11 Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are known and recognized
Luke 16:19–31 Lazarus and the rich man retain identity and memory
Matthew 17:1–3 Moses and Elijah are visibly recognizable
John 20:27 Jesus retains physical marks and identity
Revelation 20:6 Believers reign with Christ, implying recognition
1 Corinthians 15 Resurrection body is transformed, not replaced

 

[Garee]

Show me the scripture for this, show me this wording. Don't try to conflate two verses together to give them credence.
When you try to make a new doctrine by combining two verses together... it's no longer sola scriptura. It's made up scripture.

Let's unpack the ideas and compare them with Scripture and sound doctrine.

Thanks

Yes. Christ conflates two verses to represent the law and its testimony. Old and New Testament written by the finger of God etched on two tablets written on both sides with no room for oral traditions of dying mankind . . .Two declaring the testimony God not seen. Testifying Christ in us has spoken

You could say the "let there be" and "it was good" called "the law of faith" believing not seeing. Or the just one and the justifier, the perfect law made of two The seen temporal and the unseen eternal. Like the parable of the coin. The side seen Cesar the hidden gospel side Christ.

two or three with three used to denote the end of a matter in parables, three a family a strand of three not easily broken

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name (Four), there am I in the midst of them.

Daniel 3:25He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Deuteronomy 17:6At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Deuteronomy 17:6
The dynamic dual Father and Son team

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses (establishes) every word (singular )may be established.

Matthew 26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time (End of the matter) I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, (end of matter) clothed in sackcloth.

Galatians 3:27-29
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27&nbsp;For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28&nbsp;There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29&nbsp;And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.