Losing Salvation

[Bill]

I know the subject has been pounded a few times but I just want to look at some things that are important and biblical, and sometimes plainly overlooked.

Judas Iscariot who was chosen by Jesus to become a apostle, was not chosen to become the traitor.

Just like the brother of Isaac, he was not chosen to lose his place as leader of the family. That was designated to be for the first born, and by the promptings of his mother, Isaac stole it from him.

All these things have one thing in common. It is free will. It is something that is chosen.

I've always found it very interesting, that of all of the Apostles, Judas is the only apostle whose full name we hear often in the scripture. God is making a point to let us know it is Judas that He is talking about, Judas Iscariot.

Judas being one of the 12 is sent out to the town's to cast out demons and to heal the sick. ( we know that in the scripture that only a person who is with the Lord Jesus can remove demons. As Jesus said A house divided against itself cannot stand. ) so the apostles are sent out two by two, out to the towns to do the work that Jesus has set before them. In returning they are so excited, they are talking about all that was accomplished but Jesus stops them and saying . " rejoice rather that your names are written in heaven" . Jesus was not saying only Peter, only Paul, only John, but he was talking to all of them including Judas Iscariot and His Name Was Written In Heaven.

As time went on Judas Pride took him over and we know how pride is as far as how it affects a person because Pride destroys faith. And pride is the one thing that will remove a person from heaven if not dealt with.

We can see the result of pride in Moses when he struck the rock two times instead of once.

Or the prophet who is told not to talk to anyone but to deliver God's message. And in pride stopped to talk to one person which cost him his life.

Pride destroys our obedience to God. And we wilfully do it..

This is what happened with Judas Iscariot he willfully did what he chose to do which was betrayed Jesus, and in so doing lost his salvation

 

[Brother-Paul]

I know the subject has been pounded a few times but I just want to look at some things that are important and biblical, and sometimes plainly overlooked.

Judas Iscariot who was chosen by Jesus to become a apostle, was not chosen to become the traitor.

Just like the brother of Isaac, he was not chosen to lose his place as leader of the family. That was designated to be for the first born, and by the promptings of his mother, Isaac stole it from him.

All these things have one thing in common. It is free will. It is something that is chosen.

I've always found it very interesting, that of all of the Apostles, Judas is the only apostle whose full name we hear often in the scripture. God is making a point to let us know it is Judas that He is talking about, Judas Iscariot.

Judas being one of the 12 is sent out to the town's to cast out demons and to heal the sick. ( we know that in the scripture that only a person who is with the Lord Jesus can remove demons. As Jesus said A house divided against itself cannot stand. ) so the apostles are sent out two by two, out to the towns to do the work that Jesus has set before them. In returning they are so excited, they are talking about all that was accomplished but Jesus stops them and saying . " rejoice rather that your names are written in heaven" . Jesus was not saying only Peter, only Paul, only John, but he was talking to all of them including Judas Iscariot and His Name Was Written In Heaven.

As time went on Judas Pride took him over and we know how pride is as far as how it affects a person because Pride destroys faith. And pride is the one thing that will remove a person from heaven if not dealt with.

We can see the result of pride in Moses when he struck the rock two times instead of once.

Or the prophet who is told not to talk to anyone but to deliver God's message. And in pride stopped to talk to one person which cost him his life.

Pride destroys our obedience to God. And we wilfully do it..

This is what happened with Judas Iscariot he willfully did what he chose to do which was betrayed Jesus, and in so doing lost his salvation

Greetings Bill,

I think the reason Judas name was said in full was to distinguish the two Judas'.

One was called Judas, son of James (who was actually Jacob) and the other was Judas Iscariot.

Judas, son of James was also called Thaddeus in the book of Mark, so Judas Iscariot said in full made it clear which Jesus was being mentioned.

Regarding the OSAS situation, I am aware many believe this but I don't. I think there are to many conflicting statement in scripture to accept OSAS.

John 15:1-2 (NKJV)
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Hebrews 3:12-15 (NKJV)
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."

1 Timothy 4:1-3 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

 

[B-A-C]

Heb 6:4; For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Luke 8:13; "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.
Luke 8:14; "The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity.

2Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

John 6:66; As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.
John 6:67; So Jesus said to the twelve, "You do not want to go away also, do you?"
John 6:68; Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

Exod 32:33; The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
Deut 29:20; "The LORD shall never be willing to forgive him, but rather the anger of the LORD and His jealousy will burn against that man, and every curse which is written in this book will rest on him, and the LORD will blot out his name from under heaven.
Psa 69:28; May they be blotted out of the book of life And may they not be recorded with the righteous.
Rev 3:5; 'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

Luke 12:45; "But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk;
Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.

Matt 25:8; "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Matt 25:9; "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
Matt 25:10; "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11; "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12; "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

Matt 5:13; "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Rom 11:20; Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear;
Rom 11:21; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.

 

[B-A-C]

Deut 29:25; "Then men will say, 'Because they forsook the covenant of the LORD, the God of their fathers, which He made with them when He brought them out of the land of Egypt.
Deut 32:15; "But Jeshurun grew fat and kicked—You are grown fat, thick, and sleek—Then he forsook God who made him, And scorned the Rock of his salvation.
Jdg 2:12; and they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods from among the gods of the peoples who were around them, and bowed themselves down to them; thus they provoked the LORD to anger.
Jdg 2:13; So they forsook the LORD and served Baal and the Ashtaroth.
Jdg 10:6; Then the sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the LORD, served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Aram, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the sons of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines; thus they forsook the LORD and did not serve Him.
1Ki 9:9; "And they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and adopted other gods and worshiped them and served them, therefore the LORD has brought all this adversity on them.'"
2Ki 17:16; They forsook all the commandments of the LORD their God and made for themselves molten images, even two calves, and made an Asherah and worshiped all the host of heaven and served Baal.
2Ki 21:22; So he forsook the LORD, the God of his fathers, and did not walk in the way of the LORD.
2Ch 7:22; "And they will say, 'Because they forsook the LORD, the God of their fathers who brought them from the land of Egypt, and they adopted other gods and worshiped them and served them; therefore He has brought all this adversity on them.'"
2Ch 12:1; When the kingdom of Rehoboam was established and strong, he and all Israel with him forsook the law of the LORD.
Jer 22:9; "Then they will answer, 'Because they forsook the covenant of the LORD their God and bowed down to other gods and served them.'"

 

[PloughBoy]

You know what? I am not going step in this mess, with a 10 foot pole!!! All of you are beginning to sound like a bunch old men don't have nothing to do but sit around a table and "speculate"! Instead of being "New Testament Biblical Elders" like you should be. Yes I did say it! And I am going to mention a couple of elementary items you have mention. And I will take my leave.
1. Judas was chosen also before the foundation of The world to be a "Apostle" of "Jesus Christ" with a mission. And he carried out that mission to perfection he completed his task with out error.. For the "Holy Scriptures" proclaims! And if you do not know this, shame on you!
2, Last names are "surnames"! There were a lot of People named "Jesus" and, " Judas" even One of Jesus brother name was "Judas"! The one the translators calls "Jude". LOL!
3. The 12 Disciples did not have the "Holy Ghost" while Jesus was alive and when He sent them out to cast out Demons and etc.. He sent them out, in His "Deity" and not His "Humanity", He gave them a "COMMAND"! LOL
I can see you old bald head men stumbling already with my bald headed self! LOL!

4. And talking about "Freewill", now you claim yourself a full blown "Pelagian Monk" with 4th Century ideas!

And Bill I give you some credit. And I agree with "pride is Dangerous" and will be corrected by the Father concerning His Child, always, because the Bible says: "knowledge puffs up"! It is unavoidable, But the unbelievers are condemn already.

And as usually , some of "Our Round Table Friends" tap dance around some of the things you said and redirect. And I am not calling out any names! If the shoe fit, wear it, if not just throw it in the trash can. LOL, It is just another day in the neighborhood! " Like how can someone lose something he ain't never had"

PS please for "Apostle" and other words, a unabridged Dictionary would be helpful.

 

[B-A-C]

4. And talking about "Freewill", now you claim yourself a full blown "Pelagian Monk" with 4th Century ideas!

I wonder, if when some people don't have good Biblical responses, if they just resort to name calling
and disparaging remarks about people. With some people you see it frequently.

Brad, what are you talking about, and where are trying to Go , blubbering around like a grade school kindergarten. How long have you been "Saved"? And why are you still talking about grade school biblical blabbering? That is a question for your information. Now how about that "wisdom"! For multiple choice! And you better not go in a corner and cry! Because if you do, I am going to put a "Dunce cap" on your head and place you on tall chair! Hello are you still there? That is a question too!

And when you do see the light, it is going to hurt! How could I have been so blind. It will kill all kinds of pride and show a lot more light into other things. Get your pen and pencil out!

I believe I have know women like you for a long time, you just want to get permission and justify your actions, To be a bad girl with a bad man, to justify your lust!

Talking about people's Theology, you don't even know what theology is. And have the audacity to address it! Trying to deceive the children of God acting like you know something,

 

[PloughBoy]

LOL, well what do we call people who bad mouth the "Holy Scriptures"? Nice to know you keep track of some of my replies. I wonder which, you consider the greater evil, The spreading of a contagious contaminating biblical truth and although there is a antidote, but there are those who just stand around, like the ones, who by-passed the man on the road to Jericho, who fell among thieves, because they were afraid what might happen to them. Or the person who told the story of the event. And the figures He pointed out. [characters]. Which one is the greater evil? Mine you, this is a figure of speech, I am not calling anyone evil! English can be a hard language, especially "English idioms" I had to say that, before I am accused of saying something I actually did not say.

 

[Brother-Paul]

You know what? I am not going step in this mess, with a 10 foot pole!!! All of you are beginning to sound like a bunch old men don't have nothing to do but sit around a table and "speculate"! Instead of being "New Testament Biblical Elders" like you should be. Yes I did say it! And I am going to mention a couple of elementary items you have mention. And I will take my leave.
1. Judas was chosen also before the foundation of The world to be a "Apostle" of "Jesus Christ" with a mission. And he carried out that mission to perfection he completed his task with out error.. For the "Holy Scriptures" proclaims! And if you do not know this, shame on you!
2, Last names are "surnames"! There were a lot of People named "Jesus" and, " Judas" even One of Jesus brother name was "Judas"! The one the translators calls "Jude". LOL!
3. The 12 Disciples did not have the "Holy Ghost" while Jesus was alive and when He sent them out to cast out Demons and etc.. He sent them out, in His "Deity" and not His "Humanity", He gave them a "COMMAND"! LOL
I can see you old bald head men stumbling already with my bald headed self! LOL!

4. And talking about "Freewill", now you claim yourself a full blown "Pelagian Monk" with 4th Century ideas!

And Bill I give you some credit. And I agree with "pride is Dangerous" and will be corrected by the Father concerning His Child, always, because the Bible says: "knowledge puffs up"! It is unavoidable, But the unbelievers are condemn already.

And as usually , some of "Our Round Table Friends" tap dance around some of the things you said and redirect. And I am not calling out any names! If the shoe fit, wear it, if not just throw it in the trash can. LOL, It is just another day in the neighborhood! " Like how can someone lose something he ain't never had"

PS please for "Apostle" and other words, a unabridged Dictionary would be helpful.

Wrong again PB, I am not bald, I have a full head of silver hair. LOL

You do seem to blow with the wind with your comments at times, that was not a compliment brother. There is nothing wrong with ruffling a nest, providing it is constructive, and not insultive.

Jesus takes us all as we are and over time makes us the people he wants us to be.

Love one another as I have loved you

Peace be with you.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Brothers/Gentlemen

May I kindly ask that you are are little less edgy and accusative in your responses to each other, remembering that this is worldwide forum seen by saved and unsaved. That is not to say you shouldn't discuss points in question but to be careful about the tone used.

Lets uphold the name of Jesus in love and peace

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Now a question:

Judas was chosen also before the foundation of The world to be a "Apostle" of "Jesus Christ" with a mission. And he carried out that mission to perfection he completed his task with out error.. For the "Holy Scriptures" proclaims!

@PloughBoy In accomplishing his mission does that mean that Judas Iscariot did not loose his salvation?

 

[PloughBoy]

I wonder, if when some people don't have good Biblical responses, if they just resort to name calling
and disparaging remarks about people. With some people you see it frequently.

Yes, it is kinda hardest , . I will try to use kinder words, ok But, the 'Spirit of God' backs down from no man! And especially a mere mortal ! You might not obey Him, but I will! Just as fast as you can "whistle Dixie"! LOL. Because if I need him, I can call him in time of need. And not wondering or need your assurance that He is there or heard me when I morn, because when he bidden me, I answer the call, and spoke the words that He given me at the proper time to "Provoke" the hearing ears of a understanding "Saint" unto agape and to good works that can be justified!
King James Bible
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation: for I have written a letter unto you in few words.

It would be wise to look the word up "provoke" in that particular verse in the Greek that is in that verse in the book of Hebrews where it is used. As well as the words "Beseech" and "Exhortation" in the same investigated order as you did concerning to the word "provoke", Instead of using a kind bible Translation that will not use words to hurt your feelings and offend you, but Soften the blow, so you will feel delightful in presenting the truth of God's Word and obey Him. Where is the "emotion character for perfume"? I am feeling kinda "charming"!

PS "pelagian" is a biblical term". I am not "Pelagian", for I am "Augustinian", for which you can tell by the way I view the "Holy Scripture". If you believe man has a free will, and rightly good, you are "Pelagian" in your thinking, or semi-pelagian if you just think a man have free will but is not rightly good but has the choice to be good or bad.
Now is that name calling? No, that is "Biblical terminology".

 

[PloughBoy]

Now a question:



@PloughBoy In accomplishing his mission does that mean that Judas Iscariot did not loose his salvation?

No Judas was never saved at all, His role was similar to the "Pharaoh of Egypt"! You also must remember Jesus did not choose His 12 Disciples, God the Father did. This is explain in the Gospel,of John. the Gospel of John is not a Synoptic Gospel. God the Father is the "Orchestrator" of a Divine Plan that "Salvation is a part of that plan. Salvation is not the end of the plan, but is part of the plan, that will be reveal at the transformation. And then God will tell show us and tell us about it. I mean "Holy Scripture" explains this plainly to all true Christians, just by being faithful and reading the Bible as a book. A book tells a story. But this Book is different. And this enemy who God has given us, not by mistake but for a purpose and also a catalyst for our new creation, meaning us. And everyone has a fix position in the transforming effect. But most Christians are so set with their minds or earthly terms and thoughts, and systems and personal psychological thoughts in which is only the "Doctrine" of Man. Although they are Christians but still they are worldly, not understanding the " benevolent grace and love of God" and we all are full of Pride of all sorts! Many of us understands this, but many of us has some much pride in us that we want to call out others than see the pride in our own selves. And many of the time some of us are called to shock those who are blind to their selves, in return one must sometimes, sacrifice himself, that others may see! " present yourself a living sacrifice". We are by nature, all of us "Selfish individuals" and full of pride!


1Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

[Grace has to be given to a person that does not deserve it. Their actions does not deserved it, it is not earn]


3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your afaith; 7if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, b do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

If my gift dis pleases anyone, and it is not to anyone's liking, and it disturbs you, get inline because I dont like it either, I neither ask for it, neither do I want it. But I am sure not a fool! I know it is a gift from from God, because He has reveal it to me! And I will not deny Him! It is a gift for the body of Christ! I do not belong to myself but own, a bond slave! And I know what is to suffer, my life was better in this world before I knew Jesus as my savior! Am I am still not worthy to be called even a Child of God, and I will never will declare myself a Christian, and be found a liar! So if you think worst of me, your late, I think worst of my self, and you cannot encourage me!

PS hey, when my tears come, the joy flows like a river that never runs dry. Sometimes I think I am delusional! But then the joy comes and start running over, now you cannot deny that.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

No Judas was never saved at all, His role was similar to the "Pharaoh of Egypt"! You also must remember Jesus did not choose His 12 Disciples, God the Father did. This is explain in the Gospel,of John. the Gospel of John is not a Synoptic Gospel. God the Father is the "Orchestrator" of a Divine Plan that "Salvation is a part of that plan. Salvation is not the end of the plan, but is part of the plan, that will be reveal at the transformation. And then God will tell show us and tell us about it. I mean "Holy Scripture" explains this plainly to all true Christians, just by being faithful and reading the Bible as a book

Yes in agreement

Your previous post sounded a little ambiguous

 

[Bill]

Greetings Bill,

I think the reason Judas name was said in full was to distinguish the two Judas'.

One was called Judas, son of James (who was actually Jacob) and the other was Judas Iscariot.

Judas, son of James was also called Thaddeus in the book of Mark, so Judas Iscariot said in full made it clear which Jesus was being mentioned.

Regarding the OSAS situation, I am aware many believe this but I don't. I think there are to many conflicting statement in scripture to accept OSAS.

John 15:1-2 (NKJV)
1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

Hebrews 3:12-15 (NKJV)
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said: "Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion."

1 Timothy 4:1-3 (NKJV)
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

But you proved my point , twice .

1 ) that God focuses our attention on Judas Iscariot via scripture ( there is always a purpose with God . Especially in the Scriptures )

2 ) that Once Saved Always Saved doesnt wash , doesnt work where our free will reigns.

 

[Bill]

You know what? I am not going step in this mess, with a 10 foot pole!!! All of you are beginning to sound like a bunch old men don't have nothing to do but sit around a table and "speculate"! Instead of being "New Testament Biblical Elders" like you should be. Yes I did say it! And I am going to mention a couple of elementary items you have mention. And I will take my leave.
1. Judas was chosen also before the foundation of The world to be a "Apostle" of "Jesus Christ" with a mission. And he carried out that mission to perfection he completed his task with out error.. For the "Holy Scriptures" proclaims! And if you do not know this, shame on you!
2, Last names are "surnames"! There were a lot of People named "Jesus" and, " Judas" even One of Jesus brother name was "Judas"! The one the translators calls "Jude". LOL!
3. The 12 Disciples did not have the "Holy Ghost" while Jesus was alive and when He sent them out to cast out Demons and etc.. He sent them out, in His "Deity" and not His "Humanity", He gave them a "COMMAND"! LOL
I can see you old bald head men stumbling already with my bald headed self! LOL!

4. And talking about "Freewill", now you claim yourself a full blown "Pelagian Monk" with 4th Century ideas!

And Bill I give you some credit. And I agree with "pride is Dangerous" and will be corrected by the Father concerning His Child, always, because the Bible says: "knowledge puffs up"! It is unavoidable, But the unbelievers are condemn already.

And as usually , some of "Our Round Table Friends" tap dance around some of the things you said and redirect. And I am not calling out any names! If the shoe fit, wear it, if not just throw it in the trash can. LOL, It is just another day in the neighborhood! " Like how can someone lose something he ain't never had"

PS please for "Apostle" and other words, a unabridged Dictionary would be helpful.

If i may ,

But first . May the Lords Blessings always fill you .

It is always important to understand , The Scriptures were not only inspired by God , but orchestrated ( arranged ) by God as well .

So it isn't by any mere coincidence that the Full Name of Judas Iscariot is being focused upon . It was ment to be .

Oh by the way , just by posting here , you have already stepped into the poop . But don't fret , just sit down here infront of me , and i will talk as i kneel and wash your boots and feet .

It isnt a matter that Judas was chosen , it is more that he fulfilled the Scripture . There is a differance . Because everyone has free will . This is shown to us by way of David ( Old Testament ) who angered God greatly . ( God sent a prophet to David because David via sinning wasnt listening ) . Yet David chose to repent and God Blessed him .

Everyone has free will . Even Lucifer had free will to choose. God never wanted Lucifer to fall . God doesn't Create to become corrupt . Infact there is no corruption in God's Creation . But because God gave mankind the freedom to choose , as scripture states , evil comes from the heart . ( New Testiment )

I dont normally post where all my scripture comes from . It is something that lives in me .

Another good example of free will is Adam and Eve . God did not Create them to sin , but sin is what came from them via free will .

To be honest , all i write here will be overlooked by many . Those who are secure in thier thinking . But when the greatest challenge to thier faith is staring back at them . ( to take the mark of the beast or not ) it is then , that all will know , we have free will .

I am sorry i bring it up so often , and a bit out of context . But it is coming sooo quickly now . And the Spirit is burning in me to preach .

I will add one more thing , here . People who are unbelievers now , so long as they have a breath in them , are potential believers later . Please please please do not condemn yourselves by writing off anyone that is alive still .

 

[PloughBoy]

Wrong again PB, I am not bald, I have a full head of silver hair. LOL

You do seem to blow with the wind with your comments at times, that was not a compliment brother. There is nothing wrong with ruffling a nest, providing it is constructive, and not insultive.

Jesus takes us all as we are and over time makes us the people he wants us to be.

Love one another as I have loved you

Peace be with you.

LOL, I think we are becoming "The Men of The Round Table" at "TalkJesus" and has become a "Spectacle" unto the world.

"For, I think, God has exhibited us apostles last of all, as men condemned to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men."

Now in depth of "The Word of God" this means a lot. That some might not "comprehend" but the faithful will understand, a Plowed field is a cultivated field, once it has been plowed it is ready for the planting, the seed, then it is cast upon the field, watered, and fertilize! Now all of that is needful but not necessary, if the field belongs to GOD. But since GOD is merciful and kind, and shows His Goodness, to those who loves Him and He Loves them, He wants them to share in the fruits of His Harvest and be partakers also of the Glory that is to be revealed in His Son, Maybe, just maybe, he has chosen us for such a time as this!

New International Version
This is what the LORD says to the people of Judah and to Jerusalem: "Break up your unplowed ground and do not sow among thorns.

New Living Translation
This is what the LORD says to the people of Judah and Jerusalem: “Plow up the hard ground of your hearts! Do not waste your good seed among thorns.

 

[Bill]

No Judas was never saved at all, His role was similar to the "Pharaoh of Egypt"! You also must remember Jesus did not choose His 12 Disciples, God the Father did. This is explain in the Gospel,of John. the Gospel of John is not a Synoptic Gospel. God the Father is the "Orchestrator" of a Divine Plan that "Salvation is a part of that plan. Salvation is not the end of the plan, but is part of the plan, that will be reveal at the transformation. And then God will tell show us and tell us about it. I mean "Holy Scripture" explains this plainly to all true Christians, just by being faithful and reading the Bible as a book. A book tells a story. But this Book is different. And this enemy who God has given us, not by mistake but for a purpose and also a catalyst for our new creation, meaning us. And everyone has a fix position in the transforming effect. But most Christians are so set with their minds or earthly terms and thoughts, and systems and personal psychological thoughts in which is only the "Doctrine" of Man. Although they are Christians but still they are worldly, not understanding the " benevolent grace and love of God" and we all are full of Pride of all sorts! Many of us understands this, but many of us has some much pride in us that we want to call out others than see the pride in our own selves. And many of the time some of us are called to shock those who are blind to their selves, in return one must sometimes, sacrifice himself, that others may see! " present yourself a living sacrifice". We are by nature, all of us "Selfish individuals" and full of pride!


1Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

[Grace has to be given to a person that does not deserve it. Their actions does not deserved it, it is not earn]


3For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. 4For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, 5so in Christ we, though many, form one body, and each member belongs to all the others. 6We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your afaith; 7if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; 8if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, b do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

If my gift dis pleases anyone, and it is not to anyone's liking, and it disturbs you, get inline because I dont like it either, I neither ask for it, neither do I want it. But I am sure not a fool! I know it is a gift from from God, because He has reveal it to me! And I will not deny Him! It is a gift for the body of Christ! I do not belong to myself but own, a bond slave! And I know what is to suffer, my life was better in this world before I knew Jesus as my savior! Am I am still not worthy to be called even a Child of God, and I will never will declare myself a Christian, and be found a liar! So if you think worst of me, your late, I think worst of my self, and you cannot encourage me!

PS hey, when my tears come, the joy flows like a river that never runs dry. Sometimes I think I am delusional! But then the joy comes and start running over, now you cannot deny that.

If Judas was never saved at all . Why would Jesus state " your names are written in Heaven " . This phrase alone would mean they have reserved seating . Lol

 

[Bill]

Ok my brothers and sisters . Please send the name calling my way . I am fairly used to it . And then i take it to the Father, and we laugh about it . Maybe you should join us , in the heart

 

[PloughBoy]

If i may ,

But first . May the Lords Blessings always fill you .

It is always important to understand , The Scriptures were not only inspired by God , but orchestrated ( arranged ) by God as well .

So it isn't by any mere coincidence that the Full Name of Judas Iscariot is being focused upon . It was ment to be .

Oh by the way , just by posting here , you have already stepped into the poop . But don't fret , just sit down here infront of me , and i will talk as i kneel and wash your boots and feet .

It isnt a matter that Judas was chosen , it is more that he fulfilled the Scripture . There is a differance . Because everyone has free will . This is shown to us by way of David ( Old Testament ) who angered God greatly . ( God sent a prophet to David because David via sinning wasnt listening ) . Yet David chose to repent and God Blessed him .

Everyone has free will . Even Lucifer had free will to choose. God never wanted Lucifer to fall . God doesn't Create to become corrupt . Infact there is no corruption in God's Creation . But because God gave mankind the freedom to choose , as scripture states , evil comes from the heart . ( New Testiment )

I dont normally post where all my scripture comes from . It is something that lives in me .

Another good example of free will is Adam and Eve . God did not Create them to sin , but sin is what came from them via free will .

To be honest , all i write here will be overlooked by many . Those who are secure in thier thinking . But when the greatest challenge to thier faith is staring back at them . ( to take the mark of the beast or not ) it is then , that all will know , we have free will .

I am sorry i bring it up so often , and a bit out of context . But it is coming sooo quickly now . And the Spirit is burning in me to preach .

I will add one more thing , here . People who are unbelievers now , so long as they have a breath in them , are potential believers later . Please please please do not condemn yourselves by writing off anyone that is alive still .

LOL, You truly are like tha "British Monk" Pelagius". LoL.

Lol, Satan always obey GOD , his creator, Satan is a created being, And Jesus is the one who created him, and the Demons and Satan obeyed Jesus even in the New Testament writings, you did read that didn't you? Now that is a question.

Satan is doing the exact thing he was created to do! That is to deceive you! And he is doing a perfect job! For He is a Perfect Deceiver! For God made him a Perfect Deceiver and when God makes something it is perfect! would you not agree? " The Perfect Adversary". For you and me! For All the children of God!

And as far as power, Micheal the Arc-Angel has more power than Satan! Matter of fact one day a powerful Angel is going bring a chain from heaven and rap it around Satan's neck and drag him and cast him into a pit for thousand years!

Free will is a another discussion. And to have a understanding what the biblical terminology of the word "freewill" means. People makes a statement of freewill of course the world will make a statement like that, But the world does not know they are in "bondage to sin", they are in the dark and blinded and they think they are free. How call they be free if they are in bondage and don't know it. Because they are dead in trespasses and sin. Then when you are sold and purchase by the Blood of Jesus, you now becomes a slave of Christ, you do not own your own selves, you was bought with a price, paid for to be a bond slaves. No more your will but you obey your "Master" and if you dis obey He will whip you! Not my will Lord but thy will be none. You do not have freewill, whether you know it or not! One day the only will you will have is GODS will! No other will come to mind. Now that is the short version! And this is the summary: We lost the will to choose the things of "God " in the garden of Eden. But now "men loves the darkness rather than light" so by nature we choose the dark. Because that is what we like. So it kinda can be complicated! People cannot or have the ability to choose God, He chooses us! That is what we call grace.

You see, I have "Muck Boots" ! I just run the water hose over them and that stuff just run off!

We are more bless than many realize!

 

[PloughBoy]

If Judas was never saved at all . Why would Jesus state " your names are written in Heaven " . This phrase alone would mean they have reserved seating . Lol

I have not really looked into that statement yet, or given it biblical thought, and look at the different translations and the Greek text, for clarity. But will, Short thought here now. Did Jesus say: with this idea: "all the Father has given me" which he confirms in the Gospel according to John. " He did say say I kept All" but the son of prediction. And another occasion Jesus said: I chose all of you and one of you is a Devil.