Let us on “Talk Jesus” read at the same time “The Book of Revelations” but make sure it is the same translation”

[PloughBoy]

Food for thought, have you ever walked in a library!

 

[Sue D.]

I am really eager to see what each of you interprets or simply reads into your belief of Revelation.

It is interesting that thought the exercise is still in the ‘read-only’ stage, there are those who are already expressing wrongful interpretations.

Im intrigued how anyone can read that God gave Jesus a Revelation:

• “The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,”

And yet say here that ‘Jesus is God’.

An interesting discussion follows if the one giving to another is the same one who is the one who receives what was given!

Jesus gave, via the angel, to John what God gave directly to Jesus ... if Jesus is God because God gave Jesus the Revelation... then logically, the Angel must be Jesus because Jesus gave that revelation to the angel to give to John. And John must be the angel because the angel gave him the revelation that Jesus gave to the angel - who thus must be Jesus... and since Jesus is God because God gave Jesus the revelation, then the angel is God, also, and, ipso facto, John is also GOD! So goes the false reading!!

But the text says: ( ‘—>’ : ‘Gave Revelation to’)

[Almighty God —> Jesus Christ]
[Jesus Christ —> Holy Angel]
[Holy Angel —> Apostle John]
[Apostle John —> human Congregation]

Simple! How is it gotten from this that Jesus is Almighty God?

See what I mean...If responders here are stumbling at the very first verse... the OP is going to have a very difficult time with interpretations that are so far removed from truth that no credible agreements will be achieved.

John 10:30 = I and the Father are One.

If a person is going to apply 'logic' to God's Word there is going to be a problem of sorts. ie -- the virgin birth of Jesus was not biologically possible -- it is not logical. Neither is the bodily resurrection of Jesus 'logical'. But those two things Did take place. Miracles are Not logical. They Are supernatural events in history.

There Is the fact of the trinity = Godhead = God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit. Also -- not logical -- but definitely Does exist.

 

[PloughBoy]

Updated on my read of The “Revealing of Jesus Christ” I have read through once and have listen through it about 2 times. Also last month and this month went through the book of Ezekiel and Isaiah, Jeremiah about four times each. Since we been reading Revelation I have listen through all three again . Let “the Holy Spirit” guide you, and lead you in your read, and just be patience and enjoy your read. No hurry, no confuse study, no distraction, Some will try to distract you and flood you in all kinds of different directions. Remember the story about the prophet got attack by the Lion. I am not saying this for a negative thought but a positive one. Concerning distractions. Don’t worry about remembering what you have read, but He will remind you of what He said at the proper time.

Berean Study Bible
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have told you.

 

[PloughBoy]

Who is the one, that controls the winds, the Lightning’s, and the crackling of the thunders! Who controls, the meteors and the “plagues” that fall upon mankind? And who determines where they fall. Who determines how many are destroyed when they fall. Who controls the bowls, that the Angels holds in their hands, And who’ summons the Angels to blow their horns? Who commands the Sun and the Moon not to shine? Only HE, that sits upon“The Throne”.

Can this be real? Can this be all true? Can I explain this all away. Can I use the “Humanity” of my mind to erase such “epiphany”. I cannot, I cannot, if I choose to stay on this path, I cannot close my eyes unto the things I must see, how can I turn my eyes away from thee.

 

[Sue D.]

Are you trying to be poetic? Or are you seriously asking those questions.

 

[PloughBoy]

I just get like that sometimes. In college I took up speech, and we would to have write and sometime do impromptus all my papers and speeches I would take from the book of Psalms and rewrite things into common day language. This school was a “Secular” college. They would love it! I was given them the Gospel and they never knew it. I wrote a book with such flare as well. That is how you get , when you read a lot of “ the Reformers and the “Puritans”. And the “KJV” by Oxford press. I do not like Cambridge edition. The flow is different. So it is all me. You see the flow of “KJV” is in the style of “William Tyndale”!

 

[PloughBoy]

Hint, you know like when you read the “prophetic” books of the Old Testament and notices just by reading, you see the “contemporaries” and no one told you about them, the more you have read the “prophetic” books in consistent chronologically.
And Revelation is like a library , that has that special room. It is how you approach The shelf
Do you remember the “Dewey Decimal System”? It is also a “Alpha and Omega” of Jesus Christ” in the flesh. In another word term. “He is the 1st one “Born from the dead”


New King James Version
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
(Revelation 1:5).

 

[Wnl]

A good site to study in detail the book of Revelation is
discoverrevelation.com
With Love, Wnl

 

[Sue D.]

@Wnl -- thank you for sharing that -- discoverrevelation.com -- just looked it up. Wow -- like it. With the questions at the end of the chapters.

They do All the books of the Bible that way. Neat.

 

[Reba1]

Reading along KJV

 

[Sue D.]

I use the NKJ -- started out many decades ago with KJ. Back with Dr. Scoffields' notes and only black or dark navy-blue to choose from.

Over the years came across the old NIV -- in paragraph form Lots easier reading through Old Testament. Then a pastor introduced the NKJ to our congregation many years later. That's what I gravitated back to.

One church pastor uses NAS and another one uses the ESV.

 

[PloughBoy]

Reading along KJV

Remember just a nice read and try not to be distracted by the “rains, the wind and the waves” just keep your eyes on him.

 

[Reba1]

Remember just a nice read and try not to be distracted by the “rains, the wind and the waves” just keep your eyes on him.

Hey i am walking on water agree just reading

 

[PloughBoy]

How are some of you doing on the read. I ran into something last night it was right on point! It “ complimented the read! Whole book of Revelation. It was no teaching at all! Maybe I will feel comfortable to post, but only guided by the “unction” of “the Holy Spirit” outside of that, let the Lord lead you into those places of “unadulterated waters”. That you may drink freely

 

[Wnl]

Hi All,
The beast in Revalation, who is it?

ITS YOU!

Our carnality and idols of the heart, none believers

The sea is the sea of humanity,not water

Hope this helps a little in your understanding of the book
Of Revalation
With Love, Wnl

 

[Sue D.]

Wnl -- chapter 13 tells about Two beasts - vs 1 -- 'a beast rising up out of the sea and a description of it -- the dragon gave authority to the beast. vs 5 was given authority to continue for 42 months.

vs 11 introduces another beast coming up out of the earth, had two horns like a lamb and poke like a dragon. It had authority over the 1st beast and had everyone on the earth to worship the 1st beast -- the number of his name is 666.

 

[Reba1]

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

 

[PloughBoy]

Hopefully, we will
Not be around here to be concern with those beasts, but long gone! That’s all I am going to say! So let not your hearts be trouble, little ones.

Jesus Comforts His Disciples

1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God a ; believe also in me. 2My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (John 14:1-3).

That is why we are just “Reading” it not interpreting it” and debating it. Every Tom, ****, Betty and Jane out there is “interpreting” it, telling us what “Jesus” is trying to “Reveal”. To Us!
Alright fall back in line.
Because, we are going to be Sitting down at the “TABLE” while they trying to figure out that beast!

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- God's Word Does tell us about it -- which is why we're supposed to read it. And share what we're learning. There ARE those who believe that everyone Will still be here for all of that.

 

[Wnl]

Hi all
I just wrote a little snippet on the beast to help people understand.
Wish I hadn't
I will now give you scripture and verse on the matter at a later date.

If you don't believe me, just look and read some of the posts written
on this forum, maybe then you will recognise the beast within.
Christians?
With Love, Wnl