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Acts 2:4, Acts 8:16, Acts 10:45.
@David 1954 -- Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance"
But How did they become filled with the Holy Spirit?
8:16 "For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus"
Salvation is not part Of salvation. It Does show outwardly that which has Already taken place in a person's heart.
10:45 "And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because of the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also."
Okay -- salvation had been extended To the Gentiles, also.
So -- what does constitute 'salvation'.
NOW -- look at 1 Corinthians 15: 1-3 " I declare to you the Gospel --- by which also you are saved--- that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures"
vs 17"And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are sstill in your sins; vs 20 "But now Christ Is risen from the dead, and has become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep."
Romans 10:9 - 10 " That is you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
But How did they become filled with the Holy Spirit?
8:16 "For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus"
Salvation is not part Of salvation. It Does show outwardly that which has Already taken place in a person's heart.
10:45 "And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because of the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also."
Okay -- salvation had been extended To the Gentiles, also.
So -- what does constitute 'salvation'.
NOW -- look at 1 Corinthians 15: 1-3 " I declare to you the Gospel --- by which also you are saved--- that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures"
vs 17"And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are sstill in your sins; vs 20 "But now Christ Is risen from the dead, and has become the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep."
Romans 10:9 - 10 " That is you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."
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Another one of those things few denominations agree on.
Some groups believe you can be saved without being "born again" ( I'm not one of those people - John 3:3; John 3:6; )
But if the question is.. how do I get baptized with the Holy Spirit... this is how it 'usually' happened in the Bible.
Acts 8:19; saying, "Give this authority to me as well, so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 9:17; So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 8:16; For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 8:17; Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.
1 Tim 4:14; Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery.
2 Tim 1:6; For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.
Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"
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Definition of catholic
(Entry 1 of 2)
1aoften capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the church universal
boften capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the ancient undivided Christian church or a church claiming historical continuity from it
The word, "Catholic" simply means " the universal Church" There is only "one" universal Church of God, which is the body of Christ. It is not until you refer to the Church as the "Roman Catholic" Church that you get into error.
(Entry 1 of 2)
1aoften capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the church universal
boften capitalized : of, relating to, or forming the ancient undivided Christian church or a church claiming historical continuity from it
The word, "Catholic" simply means " the universal Church" There is only "one" universal Church of God, which is the body of Christ. It is not until you refer to the Church as the "Roman Catholic" Church that you get into error.
(Because 1 Corinthians was written to people who had been baptized in the Spirit. (Not to people claiming It as a defense of Romanism).)
("Romanism" encompasses Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant religion.)
I was attending an independent charismatic assembly when I received what people are telling me was the indwellling of the Spirit.
For fifteen-some years thereafter I went from church to church and from one denomination to the next learning their teachings.
Then, when my son became school age, we attended an Assembly of God church, because they at least teach baptism in the Spirit.
I'm thinking you were being misled. What you might have been experiencing was simply an emotional reaction. A more emotionally based person is more likely to succomb to 'babbling' -- that is something I observed in a charismatic church I'd attending many years ago. The pastor was giving a very 'hyped-up' sermon -- he knew how to 'work' a congregation into emotion-based activities. There was an older couple sitting a few rows ahead of us. All of a sudden the man started 'babbling' and then stopped and sat back down.
Your experience that you've described tells me that whatever Did happen to you was Not satisfying to you. If it Had been filling a spiritual need within yourself, you would have stayed to learn more There.
Sounds like what you've set yourself up For is a great deal of confusion. Why would you Need to learn all of those teachings if you were finding what you needed 'way back then'.
Sounds like all you're going to be 'learning' is More emotion-based 'feeling' like you'd experienced all those years ago. You'd Left it way back then for a reason. But now you feel that since you now have a son who is starting to learn spiritual things, you need to have him in a good church. Having children Does get parents to get more serious about spiritual things.
But -- please -- find a church that is not so 'emotions-based' -- be someplace to learn All of God's Word -- not just 'popular' portions. Our emotions can lead us astray.
It's almost like that particular denomination Focuses on emotions Instead of God's Word. When reading -- be in both the Old Testament And the New Testament. Begin in Genesis and read a few chapters every day or so -- and then read in New Testament -- a few chapters or so of one of the books and read it all the way through. That way you can get a better bigger picture of what's happening.
Your experience that you've described tells me that whatever Did happen to you was Not satisfying to you. If it Had been filling a spiritual need within yourself, you would have stayed to learn more There.
Sounds like what you've set yourself up For is a great deal of confusion. Why would you Need to learn all of those teachings if you were finding what you needed 'way back then'.
Sounds like all you're going to be 'learning' is More emotion-based 'feeling' like you'd experienced all those years ago. You'd Left it way back then for a reason. But now you feel that since you now have a son who is starting to learn spiritual things, you need to have him in a good church. Having children Does get parents to get more serious about spiritual things.
But -- please -- find a church that is not so 'emotions-based' -- be someplace to learn All of God's Word -- not just 'popular' portions. Our emotions can lead us astray.
It's almost like that particular denomination Focuses on emotions Instead of God's Word. When reading -- be in both the Old Testament And the New Testament. Begin in Genesis and read a few chapters every day or so -- and then read in New Testament -- a few chapters or so of one of the books and read it all the way through. That way you can get a better bigger picture of what's happening.
I didn't babble. So, you accepted the teachings of your particular sect without investigating?
She was saying not to accept those teachings.
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Actually, being born again is a metaphor. Being born of the Spirit is the resurrection. Paul states,
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.1 (Rom. 8:11 KJV)
@ Butch5 -- take a look at John 3:3 - Jesus Christ is talking to Nicodemus -- "Most assuredly, I say too you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
vs 4 "Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
vs 5" Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
vs 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
vs 7 "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again. "
That's why I use the term a "born-again' believer. Because there are Lots of people who believe in their Head About Jesus being a person who was a great religious teacher 'back then' -- and / or that He was the Son of God. But they have Not accepted Jesus Christ as their Personal Savior. So they are Not a 'born-again' believer. They Have been born Physically, but not Spiritually.
And, yes, a result OF being 'born-again' is that the person Does have the Holy Spirit indwelling them Which means that God Will also raise 'the born-again believer- up in the last day. Those born-again believers who are alive at the time of the rapture will be taken up in the twinkling of the eye when Jesus Christ comes in the air to gather up His Church / the Bride of Christ. And Then those who have died in the past will be gathered up Also.
And That passage is saying that the Holy Spirit Does give Spiritual life to those who previously had only been alive physically.
vs 4 "Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"
vs 5" Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
vs 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
vs 7 "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again. "
That's why I use the term a "born-again' believer. Because there are Lots of people who believe in their Head About Jesus being a person who was a great religious teacher 'back then' -- and / or that He was the Son of God. But they have Not accepted Jesus Christ as their Personal Savior. So they are Not a 'born-again' believer. They Have been born Physically, but not Spiritually.
And, yes, a result OF being 'born-again' is that the person Does have the Holy Spirit indwelling them Which means that God Will also raise 'the born-again believer- up in the last day. Those born-again believers who are alive at the time of the rapture will be taken up in the twinkling of the eye when Jesus Christ comes in the air to gather up His Church / the Bride of Christ. And Then those who have died in the past will be gathered up Also.
And That passage is saying that the Holy Spirit Does give Spiritual life to those who previously had only been alive physically.
I've never felt the need to investigate any other belief system. I've always been satisfied with the conservative Baptist church. I know how the Holy Spirit has guided me through the years.
This was Meant for David rather than Blake H.
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Sorry Sue, I'll have to disagree with you. Firstly, I don't see anything in the Scriptures that talks about Jesus being one's "personal" savior. I see that He is the savior of the world. Secondly, He is speaking to Nicodemus who was a Jew. The Jews believed that they were the ones who would inherit the promises to Abraham. So, he believed that his being born of the flesh of Abraham gave him those promises. Jesus is correcting him. He tells him that his fleshly birth as the seed of Abraham is not sufficient to gain him entrance into the Kingdom of God. He tells him he must be born again. He must be born of water and the Spirit.
