JESUS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW TESTAMENT

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy,
You said: GOD's thought: SIN OFFERINGS will be restored (Eze. 40-46).

I agreed with you to their detriment. They will be offering sacrifices for sin in disobedience through the lack of faith.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

You said: My response: Sure. If I sin tomorrow, then has Jesus already taken away that sin? Of course not! It hasn't even happened yet!

You don’t believe Jesus has taken away your sins past, present and future; though that’s what scripture teaches.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth (Jesus) to be a propitiation (atonement) through faith in Jesus’ blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of “sins that are past,” through the forbearance of God;

You benefited from what Jesus did over 2000 years ago. Jesus took away your sins when He took away the sins of the world (John 1:29: Heb. 9:26).

Heb 9:15 And for this cause Jesus is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, “for the redemption of the transgressions” that were under the “first testament,” they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

What sins are under the second covenant? Jesus doesn’t talk about those except to say they’ve been taken away.

2Pe 1:9 But he that lacks these things (the character of Christ) is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was “purged from his old sins.”

You said: You can't take away something that doesn't even exist yet.

Heb 10:12 But this Jesus, after he had offered “one sacrifice for sins forever,” sat down on the right hand of God;

The sacrifice for sins is forever; the redemption for sins is forever and the forgiveness for sins is forever.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, “having obtained eternal redemption for us.”

You said: Has Jesus taken away the PUNISHMENT (that I would deserve if I did not have faith in Him)? Sure.

We have no disagreement with that statement. If you can show me where scripture teaches that Jesus did not take away sins “once for all” we’ll be good.

 

[B-A-C]

We have no disagreement with that statement. If you can show me where scripture teaches that Jesus did not take away sins “once for all” we’ll be good.

Can you show one, where it says all future sins are already forgiven?

 

[bibleguy]

@bibleguy,
You said: GOD's thought: SIN OFFERINGS will be restored (Eze. 40-46).

I agreed with you to their detriment. They will be offering sacrifices for sin in disobedience through the lack of faith.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

You said: My response: Sure. If I sin tomorrow, then has Jesus already taken away that sin? Of course not! It hasn't even happened yet!

You don’t believe Jesus has taken away your sins past, present and future; though that’s what scripture teaches.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth (Jesus) to be a propitiation (atonement) through faith in Jesus’ blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of “sins that are past,” through the forbearance of God;

You benefited from what Jesus did over 2000 years ago. Jesus took away your sins when He took away the sins of the world (John 1:29: Heb. 9:26).

Heb 9:15 And for this cause Jesus is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, “for the redemption of the transgressions” that were under the “first testament,” they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

What sins are under the second covenant? Jesus doesn’t talk about those except to say they’ve been taken away.

2Pe 1:9 But he that lacks these things (the character of Christ) is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was “purged from his old sins.”

You said: You can't take away something that doesn't even exist yet.

Heb 10:12 But this Jesus, after he had offered “one sacrifice for sins forever,” sat down on the right hand of God;

The sacrifice for sins is forever; the redemption for sins is forever and the forgiveness for sins is forever.

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, “having obtained eternal redemption for us.”

You said: Has Jesus taken away the PUNISHMENT (that I would deserve if I did not have faith in Him)? Sure.

We have no disagreement with that statement. If you can show me where scripture teaches that Jesus did not take away sins “once for all” we’ll be good.

Hi!

You REALLY need to stop making things up.

You wrote: "I agreed with you to their detriment. They will be offering sacrifices for sin in disobedience through the lack of faith."

My response: Nonsense! It will be COMMANDED BY GOD! (Eze. 43:11). Obeying God's commands to sacrifice animals is GOOD! (not "sin in disobedience through the lack of faith" !!!)

Wow......

ok.....

Now, you quote: "Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin."

My response: Of COURSE there is no need for sin offerings for a sin that is ALREADY FORGIVEN.

But that's no excuse to ignore God's COMMAND (Eze. 43:11) to perform future animal sacrifices for sin that has not yet even occurred.

You wrote: "You don’t believe Jesus has taken away your sins past, present and future; though that’s what scripture teaches."

My response: "past, present, and future" is your imagination.....Scripture does not state "past, present, and future". You just made that up.

You can't "take away" what doesn't exist. Future events do NOT YET EXIST. CONCLUSION: You can't take them away! They don't exist!

You wrote: "Jesus took away your sins when He took away the sins of the world (John 1:29: Heb. 9:26)."

My response: Sure he took away any possible negative consequences of any possible future sins that might be committed in the future (relative to the time of the crucifixion).

That doesn't prove He actually took away a future event! Future sins are FUTURE EVENTS which do not yet exist. You can't take away what does not exist.

You wrote: "What sins are under the second covenant? Jesus doesn’t talk about those except to say they’ve been taken away."

My response: Sure he took away any possible negative consequences of any possible future sins that might be committed in the future (relative to the time of the crucifixion).

That doesn't prove He actually took away a future event! Future sins are FUTURE EVENTS which do not yet exist. You can't take away what does not exist.

You wrote: "The sacrifice for sins is forever; the redemption for sins is forever and the forgiveness for sins is forever."

My response: Great! Then any future sin I might commit will be taken care of! That's why we continue to pray the way Jesus commands (Lk. 11:4), to insure we remain in the "forgiven" category.

You wrote: " “having obtained eternal redemption for us.”"

My response: Sure...unless, of course, we decide to "go on sinning" (Heb. 10:26-31), in which case we are in a REALLY bad position.

You wrote: " If you can show me where scripture teaches that Jesus did not take away sins “once for all” we’ll be good."

My response: Of course Jesus "took away sins" once for all. But that doesn't prove Jesus took away a future event that never even happened yet!

You gotta stop pretending that future events exist!

They don't exist!

You haven't even shown that it is intelligible to suppose that a future (thus nonexistent) event can be taken away!

The burden of proof is on you, here.

blessings...

 

[regibassman57]

@B-A-C,

You said: Can you show one, where it says all future sins are already forgiven?

Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the “bringing in of a better hope did”; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering Christ hath “perfected forever” them that are sanctified.”

Heb 10:12 But Jesus, after he had offered “one sacrifice for sins” “forever,” sat down on the right hand of God;

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are “sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ” “once for all.”

The question would be, what a believer “perfected is forever from?” What is a believer sanctified forever from?

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood “Jesus entered in once into the holy place,” having “obtained eternal redemption for us.”

Redemption and forgiveness go hand in hand.

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the “forgiveness of sins,” according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Reading Hebrews 9:12, Eph. 1:7 and Col. 1:14 speaking about Eternal forgiveness.


1Jo 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

Once a person confesses their sins as 1John 1:9 states, they are forgiven of "ALL" sins once for all.

 

[regibassman57]

@Life,

2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, “not imputing their trespasses unto them;” and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord “will not” “impute sin.”

The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 3049
Browse Lexicon
Original Word
Word Origin
logizomai
middle voice from (3056)
Transliterated Word
TDNT Entry
Logizomai
4:284,536
Phonetic Spelling
Parts of Speech
log-id'-zom-ahee
Verb
Definition

1. to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over
2. 1. to take into account, to make an account of
   2. 1. metaph. to pass to one's account, to impute
      2. a thing is reckoned as or to be something, i.e. as availing for or equivalent to something, as having the like force and weight
   3. to number among, reckon with
   4. to reckon or account
3. to reckon inward, count up or weigh the reasons, to deliberate
4. by reckoning up all the reasons, to gather or infer
5. 1. to consider, take into account, weigh, meditate on
   2. to suppose, deem, judge
   3. to determine, purpose, decide

This word deals with reality. If I "logizomai" or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.

 

[regibassman57]

@Life,
The Non-Imputation of Sin
RC Sprouls

“David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: ‘Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.’”

- Romans 4:6–8

Scripture is verbally inspired, which among other things means that we must pay attention to the words of the Bible themselves and what they mean in context. We saw this yesterday in our study of the Greek preposition eis that the ESV translates with the English word as in Romans 4:3, 5. Another key term in Romans 4:3–8 is logizomai, which the ESV translates as count. Other English translations render logizomai with impute or reckon.

We are going into detail about this Greek term logizomai because it is key to understanding what our Creator does in justification. The word logizomai is a bookkeeping term that means “to put on one’s record” or “to credit to one’s account.” In the Greek translation of the Old Testament (the Septuagint), the term often appears where individuals must treat a person or object as if it were something other than what it is inherently. For example, when the Levites received tithes, they were not to treat these tithes as actual tithes that had already been devoted to the Lord. Instead, they had to regard these tithes as their income and then pay a tithe to the Lord themselves from what had been given to them. Inherently, what the people gave were tithes. But the Levites reckoned them as income (Num. 18:25–32).

Taking this all together, we see that in Romans 4 logizomai means to credit something to a person’s account and regard that person not according to what he has done or who he is but according to what is credited to his account. What is credited or imputed to our account? Today’s passage tackles this question by looking at what is not imputed to our account. God declares righteous the one against whom He “will not count … sin” (Rom. 4:6–8). The imputation that occurs in our justification involves both a positive crediting of something to our record but also a negative crediting—a removal of something, namely, our sin.

When the Lord looks upon us—those who trust in Christ alone—He does not regard us as unrighteous. Our sin is no longer imputed or credited to our record. Of course, God does not turn a blind eye to our transgressions, nor is He ignorant of our evil. Rather, He regards us legally according to what He has imputed to our account, and He has not imputed sin to the record of believers in Jesus. Dr. R.C. Sproul elaborates on this in his book on Romans: “When we stand before God, He knows everything we have ever done wrong—every evil thought, every wicked deed. When He looks at us inherently, all he sees are filthy rags, but that is not how He looks at us. He looks at us and sees Christ.”

Coram Deo

As we will see in due time, the counting or imputation we enjoy in justification is not merely a negative imputation but also a positive one. Dr. Sproul also writes, “The only righteousness we possess is the righteousness of Christ, and we possess it by transfer, by reckoning, by imputation.” We stand before God in Christ; though He knows we have sinned, He does not regard us as unrighteous but as righteous. He gives us eternal life according to Christ’s righteousness, not our own.