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Is there a verse which clearly depicts holy spirit as part of God?

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Christ4Ever
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But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Acts 5:3-4

Now, to you that might be "ambiguous" as it might be to many people, since many Scripture verses have been taken to mean many things to many people. To me and many others He is God. It is inferred in other instances. Such as the believer being the Temple of God, Holy Spirit residing in us etc.....but it would be "ambiguous" to you, so forget I mentioned it :smile:

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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OneGodBeliever said:
Bible refers to many things as spirit.
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And where does these spirits come from, how are they made and made from what? Native Americans used to call God the "Great Spirit" where all other spirits come from, once a part of. Every spirit ultimately comes from God, was a part of God. Then when that spirit is separated from God, it must choose to stay in God's presence or separate themselves from God's presence. Staying in God's presence requires us to be Holy as God is Holy, but as we drift away, we become less holy, more profane. God knew most of us were not capable of being Holy enough to stay in God's presence, so He made a way to overcome that (after all, we are His children) through His PERFECT Son, Jesus Christ.
 
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Brad Huber said:
And where does these spirits come from, how are they made and made from what? Native Americans used to call God the "Great Spirit" where all other spirits come from, once a part of. Every spirit ultimately comes from God, was a part of God. Then when that spirit is separated from God, it must choose to stay in God's presence or separate themselves from God's presence. Staying in God's presence requires us to be Holy as God is Holy, but as we drift away, we become less holy, more profane. God knew most of us were not capable of being Holy enough to stay in God's presence, so He made a way to overcome that (after all, we are His children) through His PERFECT Son, Jesus Christ.
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Maybe they are made of Gods spirit but everything made from Gods spirit is not God.
 
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OneGodBeliever said:
Maybe they are made of Gods spirit but everything made from Gods spirit is not God.
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Good, so you do understand. Not anyone can claim to be God, or even God's son with impunity. It must be backed with the truth in both word and deed and shown from accepted Holy text that it can be, must be. That is what Jesus did, yet you dont believe He was God in flesh. You believe He was a prophet, just a normal man with whom God shared insights with. If you read Holy scripture closely, you will see that He proclaimed Himself the great I AM. How can He be a great prophet who says such a thing unless its true!!!
 
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Brad Huber said:
Good, so you do understand. Not anyone can claim to be God, or even God's son with impunity. It must be backed with the truth in both word and deed and shown from accepted Holy text that it can be, must be. That is what Jesus did, yet you dont believe He was God in flesh. You believe He was a prophet, just a normal man with whom God shared insights with. If you read Holy scripture closely, you will see that He proclaimed Himself the great I AM. How can He be a great prophet who says such a thing unless its true!!!
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You are saying so because you believe bible to be true. It may not be true for me!
 
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OneGodBeliever said:
You are saying so because you believe bible to be true. It may not be true for me!
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This scripture was set as valid before Islam ever came to be. The only ones who disputed it at the time was the jews. At that time, the area where Islam first arose was dedicated to the worship of many Gods, none of them the one true God. And it was a lawless area where people would bury daughters in the sands while alive because they thought them next to worthless. How is it you think there is any Islamic scholars of the time who would record different.

My thoughts are that some of your views of Jesus come from the jews who hated him. I would even speculate that it was the arab king who preceded the rise of Islam. His name was Yusuf As'ar Yath'ar who ruled there in AD525. He was the last jewish king to rule in that area. He murdered a christian bishop and his whole flock by locking them in a church and burning them alive. A woman who was so disgusted with his treatment of the Christians, that she tore off her headscarf to better reproach the king. His response to her was to kill her daughter and granddaughter, and pour their blood down her throat before beheading her. When those in the christian kingdom of Ethiopia heard of this, they hunted down and killed him. Then Islam rose from that area shortly afterword, so you can see the influence the rise of Islam had toward Christianity.

Anyways, even the jews dont believe many of the things that Islam does of Christ. So your beliefs are based on something that was written 200 years after Mohammad died (when it was written, it was based on what people said at the time, no fellow that knew him well was even alive when he wrote the Kuran). And the hadiths took hundreds of years after that to make it look more in depth. Christianity had written tesitmony only a few years after Christs death, by people who KNEW Him personally.
 
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Brad Huber said:
This scripture was set as valid before Islam ever came to be. The only ones who disputed it at the time was the jews. At that time, the area where Islam first arose was dedicated to the worship of many Gods, none of them the one true God. And it was a lawless area where people would bury daughters in the sands while alive because they thought them next to worthless. How is it you think there is any Islamic scholars of the time who would record different.

My thoughts are that some of your views of Jesus come from the jews who hated him. I would even speculate that it was the arab king who preceded the rise of Islam. His name was Yusuf As'ar Yath'ar who ruled there in AD525. He was the last jewish king to rule in that area. He murdered a christian bishop and his whole flock by locking them in a church and burning them alive. A woman who was so disgusted with his treatment of the Christians, that she tore off her headscarf to better reproach the king. His response to her was to kill her daughter and granddaughter, and pour their blood down her throat before beheading her. When those in the christian kingdom of Ethiopia heard of this, they hunted down and killed him. Then Islam rose from that area shortly afterword, so you can see the influence the rise of Islam had toward Christianity.

Anyways, even the jews dont believe many of the things that Islam does of Christ. So your beliefs are based on something that was written 200 years after Mohammad died (when it was written, it was based on what people said at the time, no fellow that knew him well was even alive when he wrote the Kuran). And the hadiths took hundreds of years after that to make it look more in depth. Christianity had written tesitmony only a few years after Christs death, by people who KNEW Him personally.
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If you go by that logic Judaism was before Christianity and Jews reject Jesus. How old a religion is doesn't make it true in any way. I don't say Christianity isn't as I am researching about it. I know very well how Islam was introduced in Arabia and how the Quran and Hadith came into being and know much about bible too how it came into being so you saying my belief is based on something written 200 years after Muhammad died isn't true. That information did not help and could you please verify information before posting because wrong info does not help.
 
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Beside the obvious "God is a Spirit" in (John 4:24) we may also consider in (Acts 2:17) of the prophecy of Joel saying "I will pour out OF MY Spirit upon all flesh": for it is God who is a Spirit pouring out of His own self upon us.
 
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