Is Love the Greatest?

[Spockrates]

• Allowing cruel and violent and hateful people to inhabit heaven alongside the kind and gentle and caring would in no way be either just or wise. At least, that's how it seems to me.Your philosophical approach to understanding is absurd....I am quite sure God doesn't care about your understanding. The mere mentioning the idea of cruel and violent and hateful people to inhabit heaven alongside the kind and gentle and caring is an impossibilty because it is in contemp of God's perfection in justice and totally not Bibilical and, therefore, not worthy of discussion.
• This is a TJ site and I think it would be wise of you to stick to the Saving Grace and partnership of Jesus Christ and certainly the requirement to support any premise with scripture!
• " At least, tha's how it seems to me" !
• ; See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

May God richly bless you, RJ!

 

[Spockrates]

RJ:

I'd really like to hear what you have to say.

 

[Spockrates]

About the topic of forgiveness.

 

[Spockrates]

If you are interested, please post a reply here:

http://www.talkjesus.com/ethics-and-morality/50002-forgive.html#post244541

 

[grandmamary1219]

I appreciate the response, RJ. Yes, as I said to Hekuran, I agree hope does not spring eternal. For no one continues to hope for what she receives. But does the same apply to faith? Will we cease to trust God in eternity?

In eternity we shall be perfected as He is perfect, we shall all be ONE with God. We will have His "mind" so why would we need faith, hope, or trust any longer? We would not be there in heaven unless we trusted the Word to reconcile us, but why would we need to trust when we are now ONE with God in heaven, as joint heirs (sons and daughters of God) to Christ's kingdom?

1 Corinthians 2:9

 

[james1523]

I'd ask that we be more precise. The ability is not Christ, because Christ is not an ability. Rather, he is the source, or giver, or enabler of the ability. At least, that is what you appear to say in the former statement. Would you agree that this is a more precise interpretation of the passage?

If any of you lacks wisdom, [which is the ability to comprehend spiritual truth, of which Christ is the source,] you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and [this ability, which is enabled by Christ] will be given to you.

But an ability cannot exist outside of a person. Christ both gives the ability and He is the ability. In other words, Christ gives the ability because He is the ability. You cannot show me an ability existing outside of a person, you cannot buy an ability in a store. An example - suppose you need a tree cut down, but you do not have that ability to cut trees down. So you hire a man who can do the job. This man has the ability and as far as you are concerned, he is the ability for you to cut trees down. But he cannot give or sell this ability to you because it is his own ability. The ability does not exist outside of the person.

But you just said the words, "Christ is wisdom," in reality means, "Christ gives us the ability to comprehend spiritual things." So how does this contradict what James wrote?

Christ gives us wisdom and He is our wisdom.

Can a thing that creates another thing be the same thing it created? I'm thinking that Christ cannot literally be both truth and wisdom, since wisdom--as we agree--is not truth, but is instead the ability to acquire truth. Though I suppose Christ might be symbolically both, if by saying he is truth and wisdom, we actually mean he is the giver of both true opinion and the ability to accurately discern it.

God created man and became a man (Christ), so the answer is yes. I agree that Christ is both, but not symbolically. As soon as you say that Christ is symbolically truth and wisdom, you must also believe that Christ is "symbolically love". But love, truth and wisdom are not symbolic things but literal things. Sometimes symbols are used in reference to Christ, but these are things like water, air, bread, manna, food, drink, wine, lamb, trees, etc.

 

[Frony111]

God want our love .. He says I don't want your burnt offerings I want your mercy (love)... Love is something that must generate from within that is why he gave us free will. But God also said Jacob I loved .. Esau I hated