Interpretaion of Tongues

[Born Again 2004]

Thanks for the reply. I would think there is no such thing as a "sign gift" . I did it it proves it . . self edification..

Spiritual gift not seen yes. they are all in effect.

The word unknown was clearly added . God defines the understanding of prophecy as the one author of it .

The understanding was not given to those spoken of in Isaiah 28 the foundation of the tongues doctrine They who served a oral tradition of men thought Peter was drunk because the understanding was hid from them just as God propmised . Prophecy is God's understanding.

Yet for all that they still refused to repent but continued to make senseless sounds without meaning and fall back slain in the Spirit .Therefore proving they are under the spirit of judgement

Speaking in tongues is speaking prophecy as it is written. (no difference )

St Paul knew that only prophecy is considered the tongue of God .

The idea that God made a noise and mankind should start searching for a infallible interpreter to give understanding flies in the face of the many warning that inform us of those who say we do need a man to teach us . Like Peter who in false pride rebuked the lord of glory . There are those today that hope Peter did not perform that work in false pride .They lift him up in a place that even Jesus the Son of man dared not stand. That would seem to eliminate the idea. Go find someone to give an infallible translation.

Prophecy edifies God not the church .

The bible condemn a hierarchy of men lording it over the faith of the non venerable pew sitters .


I would suggest looking to the foundation or law found in Isaiah 28 it is revisited in 1 Corihtinans 14:21 below

(Blue my added comment)

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men (believers) of other tongues (language's) and other lips (all the nations ) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

The same event was propmised by Joel . Men and woman from all the nations of the world as the new kingdom of priest that preach their new tongues the gospel. Sends them out two by two.

Acts 2:15-17King James Version For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Nothing that has to do with hearing sounds without meaning an falling back slain the the Spirit. That does not seem to be a biblical teaching .

In that way believers receive the end of their new born again faith from the beginning even the salvation of our spirit and soul.

Its not something that we required to do to fill it .That could do despite to the grace of God if not careful. We walk by faith the unseen eternal and not after the temporal things seen . A valuable tool the prescription needed to help Christians to rightly divide the mysteries of the gospel of peace it reads. .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It would seem to reflected in 1 Peter no re-filling needed . We by faith looking back to that demonstration they by the same spirit of faith looked ahead .

I would think a beautiful gospel parable.

1 Peter 1: 8-11 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The glory that should follow or the continuing glory as it is written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

1. Where did "Sign Gift" come from?
2. Excuse Me! Spiritual gifts are to edify God and not the Church?
As you so apply put it " God is the author and authority of everything , He needs no edification!
He understands more than the Church ever will.
Everything He has done or will ever do is to edify the Church!
The Bible was created to edify the Church, not the other way around.

You obviously have your own agenda, and didn't give anything I said any attention!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I thought it was about time to 'turn the table', so to speak, and begin a thread about the interpretation of tongues.

Good Idea. "Interpretation of Tongues" is essentially the same as "Speaking in tongues". The only difference is that instead of the Holy Spirit supplying "Tongues" to your mind, so you can speak them, HE supplies a message in the COMMON TONGUE that everybody understands - When Tongues and Interpretation are gifted during a meeting of the church.

It appears that so little is said about this and yet, surely, it is as important as speaking in tongues. Or am i incorrect about this?

You're completely correct

So, what is the interpreting of tongues?

It is one of the "Prophesy subsets". God supplies to your mind a message in the common tongue, which, when prompted by Him, you speak to the audience that has just heard a message in a tongue that none of those listening understood.

What is it for?

As explained in 1 Cor 14, it's so that the folks in the meeting will know what the INTERPRETATION (Not necessarily the word for word translation) of the message in tongues is, and people can be edified by it.

IF the gathering is operating in the Spirit on order - which the Corinthians apparently weren't, since they were a flesh-driven and disorderly bunch given to "SHOWING OFF" and judging each other by the "Quality of their gifts" (My gift is BETTER than YOUR Gift, so I have no need of YOU - 1 Cor 12:21).

Then the Holy Spirit will "hold" the meeting and give the tongues speaker a "go" sign, whereupon the tongues speaker will speak what the Holy Spirit has given him/her. When the tongues speaker has finished, then the Holy Sprit will give the Interpreter the "GO" sign, and he/she will speak the interpretation that the Holy Spirit has given him/her. Then the Spirit will release the meeting to proceed. I recall an instance in Marion, Ohio back in '78 or so, during a FGBMFI dinner meeting, where there was an utterance in tongues, and the fellow to my Left started to speak the interpretation, but as he was speaking I was also burdened to speak, and when he suddenly stopped in mid message, I spoke what the Holy Spirit had given me, and then ran out of words, whereupon the fellow to my right immediately picked it up, and finished the interpretation. And then the meeting continued.

IF The Holy Spirit burdens a person to speak in a tongue, then you don't have to worry about there being an interpreter present, since the Holy Spirit already knows and has burdened one to speak when the time comes. In the Corinthian case, they were apparently blabbing their prayer language tongues, "showing off", and there was no Message to the meeting to be interpreted.

The same thing applies to all of the Prophesy giftings (Tongues, Interpretation, Prophesy, Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge) The ONLY DIFFERENCE being the specific contents of the utterances. 1 Corinthians 12-14 is specifically a teaching to an "Out of control", and flesh driven congregation about the proper usage of the gifts DURING A MEETING, at which time, some thing are appropriate, and some things aren't. Other uses of tongues under different circumstances are mentioned.

 

[Garee]

1. Where did "Sign Gift" come from?
2. Excuse Me! Spiritual gifts are to edify God and not the Church?
As you so apply put it " God is the author and authority of everything , He needs no edification!
He understands more than the Church ever will.
Everything He has done or will ever do is to edify the Church!
The Bible was created to edify the Church, not the other way around.

You obviously have your own agenda, and didn't give anything I said any attention!

Hi thanks for the reply.

It comes from those who seek after signs to confirm "I did it proves it" called Charismatics (sign seekers) I would think sign gifts come from those who produce a sign as a way of confirming they were seeking to do it. No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual gift yes.

Of course they edify the giver not the receiver. The kingdom of God is not of this world . If it was then we would look for a infallible interpreter to venerate .

It is not necessary that we see before we believe (exercise faith)

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Even Jesus when bowed to and called good teaching Master as Lord refused to stand in the Holy place of God's faith that works in us .He gave glory to the Father .Saying: why call me good only one is good master as Lord unseen (God.)

Why seek to be under the "spirit of judgment" making a noise falling back slain in the Spirit ?

Not of us for self-edification He must increase as we continue to decrease.

He who name is Jealous seeing he alone owns all thing will not share his glory with the corrupted flesh and blood of dying mankind. he desires us to edify Him.

 

[B-A-C]

As explained in 1 Cor 14, it's so that the folks in the meeting will know what the INTERPRETATION (Not necessarily the word for word translation) of the message in tongues is, and people can be edified by it.

True, usually the prophecy is contained in the interpretation (translation).
Anyone can come into a church and say I have a prophecy from God. But how do you know if it's really from God?

On the other hand, if someone speaks in a language they don't know, and someone else interprets a language they don't know... then you can be pretty sure, this is from God.

1Cor 14:12; So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.
1Cor 14:13; Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret

 

[B-A-C]

1. Where did "Sign Gift" come from?

1Cor 14:22; So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

1Cor 14:22; So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

"SIgn Gift" just another theological label. When a person (an unbeliever) is addressed in their own language by a person who doesn't KNOW their language (Acts 2) that's rether "Arresting" and an indication that something supernatural is going on. It still happens in the field with Missionaries today.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

True, usually the prophecy is contained in the interpretation (translation).
Anyone can come into a church and say I have a prophecy from God. But how do you know if it's really from God?

You don't - until it's confirmed. My wife got a prophesy at an FGBMFI Dinner meeting in the '70s, so we, as usual, filed it in "pending", and a month later at another dinner meeting, she got the same exact prophesy from a totally different visiting individual who had no connection with the first fellow. That's when you take it seriously -

On the other hand, if someone speaks in a language they don't know, and someone else interprets a language they don't know... then you can be pretty sure, this is from God.

Of course, it could be phony anyway. "The Way International" (Dr. Victor Weirwille) in New Knoxville, OH, for $400 (in 1975) would guarantee to teach you the ability to speak in tongues, Interpret, and give prophesy on cue. Paul cautioned AGAINST eating whole any prophetic utterance particularly from somebody with no "Track record" unless it was JUDGED by "the others" (assumedly mature prophetic people) whether it be fish or fowl.

 

[Garee]

Good Idea. "Interpretation of Tongues" is essentially the same as "Speaking in tongues". The only difference is that instead of the Holy Spirit supplying "Tongues" to your mind, so you can speak them, HE supplies a message in the COMMON TONGUE that everybody understands - When Tongues and Interpretation are gifted during a meeting of the church.

Tongues are prophecy

The interpretation of the tongue of God is that which works in the one receiving the understanding of God i .Tongue is prophecy nothing more and nothing less .

The sign that God spoke to all nation giving his interpretation by which mankind believed God and by the new spirit of faith confess he was Lord . 3000 from all the tribes or nations of the world heard the tongue of God 's prophecy

The foundation began in the old testament .Men as a law of the fathers, kings and princes following the traditions of men rather that the tradition of God as it is written . They mocked God and made baby sounds without meaning and fell backwards mocking the spirit of judgement that they call slain in the spirit

Its manifestation is able to be viewed today .

Isaiah 28 : 9-13 ERV The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:“Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.
In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

 

[PloughBoy]

Hi thanks for the reply.

It comes from those who seek after signs to confirm "I did it proves it" called Charismatics (sign seekers) I would think sign gifts come from those who produce a sign as a way of confirming they were seeking to do it. No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual gift yes.

Of course they edify the giver not the receiver. The kingdom of God is not of this world . If it was then we would look for a infallible interpreter to venerate .

It is not necessary that we see before we believe (exercise faith)

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Even Jesus when bowed to and called good teaching Master as Lord refused to stand in the Holy place of God's faith that works in us .He gave glory to the Father .Saying: why call me good only one is good master as Lord unseen (God.)

Why seek to be under the "spirit of judgment" making a noise falling back slain in the Spirit ?

Not of us for self-edification He must increase as we continue to decrease.

He who name is Jealous seeing he alone owns all thing will not share his glory with the corrupted flesh and blood of dying mankind. he desires us to edify Him.

I get it.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Tongues are prophecy

The interpretation of the tongue of God is that which works in the one receiving the understanding of God i .Tongue is prophecy nothing more and nothing less .

The sign that God spoke to all nation giving his interpretation by which mankind believed God and by the new spirit of faith confess he was Lord . 3000 from all the tribes or nations of the world heard the tongue of God 's prophecy

The foundation began in the old testament .Men as a law of the fathers, kings and princes following the traditions of men rather that the tradition of God as it is written . They mocked God and made baby sounds without meaning and fell backwards mocking the spirit of judgement that they call slain in the spirit

Its manifestation is able to be viewed today .

Isaiah 28 : 9-13 ERV The people say, “Who does he think he is trying to teach and explain his message to? Does he think we are babies who were at their mother’s breast only a very short time ago? He speaks to us as though we were babies:“Saw lasaw saw lasawQaw laqaw qaw laqaw
Ze’er sham ze’er sham.” So God will use this strange way of talking, and he will use other languages to speak to these people.
In the past he spoke to them and said, “Here is a resting place. Let those who are tired come and rest. This is the place of peace.”But they would not listen to him. So the Lord’s words will be senseless sounds to them:“Saw lasaw saw lasaw.Qaw laqaw qaw laqaw.Ze’er sham ze’er sham.”

When the people try to walk, they will fall backwards. They will be defeated, trapped, and captured.

It'd be better if you used a less fanciful translation:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

The "Stammering lips and another tongue" has nothing to do with 1 Cor 12 Tongues.
It was the Assyrian language that they experienced under JUDGEMENT and CAPTIVITY.

But Tongues definitely IS a subset of the Prophetic Genre.

 

[Born Again 2004]

1Cor 14:22; So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

Down through the Biblical ages, signs were given to prove the existence of God.

Many were given the gift of signs, by God, which include Joel, Moses and even Jesus, to name a few.

The book of Exodus is full of signs, where Moses was attempting to convince Pharaoh of the existence of God!

Even though the Bible can be seen to refer to "Biblical Signs" as the same as the same "Gifts of the Spirit", I personally don't think the two should be confused..they are different events.

 

[Waggles]

I am not confused, nor most other Pentecostal Christians.
There are three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit for use at church meetings - tongues, interpretation and prophesy.
This is still done in compliance with the rules for orderly worship laid out in 1Corinthians 14.

 

[PloughBoy]

The founder of The "Pentecostal Movement" And ushering in: :The Speaking of TONGUES" "AZUSA" for those who don't know. Think i don't know about the "PENTECOSTAL MOVEMENT" Yes i do, in the late 1970's i could hang out with the best! Week night services. Be rocking, And you think i do not the whole history of the "Pentecostal Movement" but me and "glossolalia" didn't hit it off. I just watch. But I could sing, "Bluegrass Gospel, Pentecostal, Southern Baptist, Baptist, Methodist, Reformed, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, and "Sacred Heart" music, and Black Spiritual! There are not to many places i haven't been, But that "Voodo" stuff and Them "Witches" No Jesus!

2.1 William Seymour

William Joseph Seymour was born on May 2, 1870, in Centerville, Louisiana. His parents were released slaves who used to work on the cotton plantations in the south of the United States. Seymour was raised in a Baptist church, but when he took up a job as a waiter in Indianapolis, Indiana, he became a member of the Black Methodist Episcopal Church. When he moved to Cincinnati, Ohio, he joined the Evening Light Saints church, which was in the holiness fold. Again, when he moved to Houston, Texas, in pursuit of his family, he became associated with a Black Holiness Church which had a woman, Lucy Farrow, as pastor (Lapoorta 1996:29).

The influence of Azusa Street Revival in the early developments of the Apostolic Faith Mission of South Africa

 

[Born Again 2004]

I am not confused, nor most other Pentecostal Christians.
There are three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit for use at church meetings - tongues, interpretation and prophesy.
This is still done in compliance with the rules for orderly worship laid out in 1Corinthians 14.

Spoken like True Pentecostal!

 

[Rick Costa]

I wrote a book that addresses this


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[justthefacts]

It says in 14:27 above that this can only happen up to 3 times in a church service. Anything beyond that is not from God. It also says every time someone speaks out in tongues, someone MUST interpret.
If that doesn't happen, it's not from God.

Yes true, someone must interpret if another is speaking in tongues ..This part is not said and is debatable but I believe it to be correct based on scriptures that show we can go against the holyspirit due to sin .. if so ...then we can hold back our gifts from being used ,so if someone does not interpret when God wanted them to and they closed God out of it ,it can mean that someone could have had a gift of tongues but the interpreter did not use their gift like lord wanted,making the entire act or package if you will not of God or not God blessed.

4:27 from what I get out of it ,This means that up to 3 persons at 1 time can speak and in order and not any more , it shows by the way the numbers are used, he means persons speaking orderly ,i

" 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret." so we look at the numbers by two or by three and can conclude the numbers mean people not the number of times one person can speak , this shows up because it also states "and let ONE interpret." which we know means a person.

 

[Kirby D. P.]

It seems to me SPEAKING in tongues serves at least two functions, or else there are two varieties of glossolalia. 1. It affords the speaker an additional, special means of venerating and rojoicing in the glory of God, to please him and inspire others with that feat. 2. As a miraculous demonstration of God’s ability to endow believers with knowledge and inspiration they could otherwise never access.

In the case of the former, it is not important that it be comprehensible to anyone at all (except God). It is an outward expression of the speaker’s special, personal relationship with God, though one that can be observed by others and, hence, provide a source of inspiration to them.

It seems to me it is crucial that the latter be intelligible to SOMEBODY other than the speaker, if only to bear out that what they speak IS a genuine, interpretable language. It is easy to formulate any number of very simple, straightforward scientific tests of a language’s comprehensibility.

(NOTE: I am aware actual tests have been performed attempting to evaluate whether glossolalia actually IS a language of any kind, all of which pretend to declare it cannot possibly be a language for communication. I think such claims are absurd. How can such a judgment even be attempted without knowing WHAT information is supposed to be communicated.)

Anyway, if a performance of glossolalia is interpretable to anyone with the gift of interpretation, then all people so gifted should be able to arrive at the same, or similar, interpretation. This would be a very powerful and compelling demonstration and validation of all the many excellent verses in scripture put forth throughout this thread and, I expect, would have a very healthy and unifying impact on the community of Christians worldwide. As generally this is not the case, then this second function of glossolalia is contentious, divisive, and (to me, anyway) highly problematic.

When I encounter instances of glossolalia, I accept them as manifestations of this first sense I’m describing, a passionate and ardent expression of the speaker’s faith, joy, and adoration of God. I don’t think much good can come from the second sense and I wish people would avoid any attempt to apply it.

 

[Born Again 2004]

It seems to me SPEAKING in tongues serves at least two functions, or else there are two varieties of glossolalia. 1. It affords the speaker an additional, special means of venerating and rojoicing in the glory of God, to please him and inspire others with that feat. 2. As a miraculous demonstration of God’s ability to endow believers with knowledge and inspiration they could otherwise never access.

In the case of the former, it is not important that it be comprehensible to anyone at all (except God). It is an outward expression of the speaker’s special, personal relationship with God, though one that can be observed by others and, hence, provide a source of inspiration to them.

It seems to me it is crucial that the latter be intelligible to SOMEBODY other than the speaker, if only to bear out that what they speak IS a genuine, interpretable language. It is easy to formulate any number of very simple, straightforward scientific tests of a language’s comprehensibility.

(NOTE: I am aware actual tests have been performed attempting to evaluate whether glossolalia actually IS a language of any kind, all of which pretend to declare it cannot possibly be a language for communication. I think such claims are absurd. How can such a judgment even be attempted without knowing WHAT information is supposed to be communicated.)

Anyway, if a performance of glossolalia is interpretable to anyone with the gift of interpretation, then all people so gifted should be able to arrive at the same, or similar, interpretation. This would be a very powerful and compelling demonstration and validation of all the many excellent verses in scripture put forth throughout this thread and, I expect, would have a very healthy and unifying impact on the community of Christians worldwide. As generally this is not the case, then this second function of glossolalia is contentious, divisive, and (to me, anyway) highly problematic.

When I encounter instances of glossolalia, I accept them as manifestations of this first sense I’m describing, a passionate and ardent expression of the speaker’s faith, joy, and adoration of God. I don’t think much good can come from the second sense and I wish people would avoid any attempt to apply it.

Is Gloosolalia in the Bible or is it man made?

 

[Kirby D. P.]

Is Gloosolalia in the Bible or is it man made?

It’s definitely MENTIONED in scripture. I don’t think any outside observer can say for sure whether what passes for glossolalia today is what is meant in scripture. But, as an article of faith, and also in light of how popular it is, of one who speaks in tongues sincerely believes they are manifesting what the Bible describes, I think an accusation they’re jus “making it up” is over simplistic at best.

 

[Born Again 2004]

It’s definitely MENTIONED in scripture. I don’t think any outside observer can say for sure whether what passes for glossolalia today is what is meant in scripture. But, as an article of faith, and also in light of how popular it is, of one who speaks in tongues sincerely believes they are manifesting what the Bible describes, I think an accusation they’re jus “making it up” is over simplistic at best.

Where in the Bible is the term Gloosolalia "definetly" memtioned?