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Hierarchy & Unity premise

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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Are you saying that because God said "Let us" that everyone he was talking to is God as himself?

I believe within the Godhead, the Son was asking the Father permission to create man as well as everything else from before man in that creation week since the first chapter of John signifies all of creation happening by the Word of God hence the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. That is how you align the truths in scripture with His help, but only He can help you see how the truths in His words lines up.
 
Scripture testify to man not seeing God the Father at any time, except Jesus, but man has seen God.

To keep this post shorter see the scripture at this link to this thread;

Jesus The God That Men Had Seen In The O.T.



Discern what the Son is the firstborn of; of the human race or...? Creation... as in all of creation.

So the firstborn of all creation signifies where all creation comes from; the Creator.

The analogy you applied towards father & son is not applicable when the Son is the firstborn of all creation where the first chapter of John testifies that all of creation came by the Word of God.

I understand your point of fiew but you are only exceeding beyond what is written and applying His words wrongly at the expense of other scripture plainly testifying to the deity of Jesus Christ. Scripture cannot go against scripture and the only way you know you have derived a correct teaching from scripture is when it does not run contrary to what other scripture plainly states. References you use to declare God the Father greater than Jesus does not in any way deny the scripture that Jesus is God as well.

The complete picture is that within that Triune God, the Father's will be done, and the Son being the Son is obedient to the Father and thus the Spirit of God cannot deny Himself in being the Spirit of as being in complete agreement with the Father and now the Son since the Father has handed all power to His Son until such a time when the Kingdom of Heaven is complete and Satan, his angels, hades, death, & anyone not written in the Book of life is cast into the lake of fire forever when the Son gives the Kingdom back to the Father.



The Father has an image too within that Godhead and one day we will not need Jesus to ask Him for us for the Father loves us and He will shew Him openly to us that we can ask Him directly.

John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Jesus came out from God and therefore He is God. May God the Father reveal His Son to you as God so that you may believe in Him and not die in your sins.

Proverbs 8 in it's entirety would be a good chapter for you to read.
 
I believe within the Godhead, the Son was asking the Father permission to create man as well as everything else from before man in that creation week since the first chapter of John signifies all of creation happening by the Word of God hence the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. That is how you align the truths in scripture with His help, but only He can help you see how the truths in His words lines up.

I would use Proverbs 8 and say that God was talking to His Holy Spirit ; and that at the end of the day the will of God was done.

The Firstborn of Creation is not included here because he is the only begotten of the Father
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
 
It gets no clearer

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1.But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
2. and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
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1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God

1. head of every man is Christ
2. head of Christ is God
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No where in scripture does it say God The Son or Christ The Son
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Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
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I confess Christ is our Lord and Son of God but not God
 
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
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No where does overcoming the word encompasses belief that The Son of God ; is God The Son.
 
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It gets no clearer

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1.But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
2. and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

You keep seeing the failure of why mentioning Jesus at all only because you stuck in your beliefs in reading the scripture in that way.

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I read that as including the Father & Jesus Christ as the One God as everything is of them both as the One God.

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1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God

1. head of every man is Christ
2. head of Christ is God
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Since it is the Father's will that be done, the head of Christ is God, but in no way is that denying Christ as God either. That is addressing authority as the man is the head of the woman and so forth.

No where in scripture does it say God The Son or Christ The Son
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Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
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I confess Christ is our Lord and Son of God but not God

Only God answers prayers and God will not share His glory as Saviour with any one else.

The only way to reconcile the two truths is that Jesus is God.
 
1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
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No where does overcoming the word encompasses belief that The Son of God ; is God The Son.

Jesus said that if you do not believe "I am he" you will die in your sins. There is no other way to heed that warning. If you do not believe He is God, you will die in your sins.
 
You keep seeing the failure of why mentioning Jesus at all only because you stuck in your beliefs in reading the scripture in that way.

1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I read that as including the Father & Jesus Christ as the One God as everything is of them both as the One God.



Since it is the Father's will that be done, the head of Christ is God, but in no way is that denying Christ as God either. That is addressing authority as the man is the head of the woman and so forth.



Only God answers prayers and God will not share His glory as Saviour with any one else.

The only way to reconcile the two truths is that Jesus is God.

Distinction for a reason
 
Jesus said that if you do not believe "I am he" you will die in your sins. There is no other way to heed that warning. If you do not believe He is God, you will die in your sins.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him

Christ means anointed
Is the anointed of God not God.
 
Unable to delete this post so I will mention this scripture. Keywords is The Lord, God Himself, & I am & None else.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

= The Lord our God is one Lord or one authority or one will "if read between the lines"
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Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

We see that The Son came to do the will of The Lord. It was The will of The Lord our God who is one Lord / one Will / one Authority
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Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mat 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

We see the subservience of our Lord before our Lord came in the Flesh
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Before Christ took on the flesh of Man he seemed to be in the form of man and The Lord would not allow Christ / Our Lord to prevail over Jacob.

Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
Gen 32:25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
Gen 32:27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
 
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1. Hierarchy & Unity
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1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Joh 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

Joh 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Joh 5:22 The Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me,that they may be one, as we are. :love:

Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Joh 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Joh 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
 
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Joh 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
 
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