Hating the sin

[KingJ]

I compliment your belief and effort to be a perfect person. I cannot argue or be upset with you disagreeing with me. It is like arguing with someone who has made a similar dedication to the cloth as a priest or nun. To continue replying to the above posts will just be circular discussion.

So lets try reason together. If God honored Jesus's request in Luke 22:42 to have the cup removed / If Jesus never died for us. Do you believe all of us would be in the same eternal home? Peter would be with Judas? Your daughter in the same house as a pedophile? David with Canaanite leaders? Moses with Pharaoh? Does God see all sinners deserving capital punishment of eternal fire?

 

[At Peace]

I compliment your belief and effort to be a perfect person. I cannot argue or be upset with you disagreeing with me. It is like arguing with someone who has made a similar dedication to the cloth as a priest or nun. To continue replying to the above posts will just be circular discussion.

Don't complement me or my efforts.
Complement and give glory to God for providing the way to live as a new creature.
It is written..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)

So lets try reason together. If God honored Jesus's request in Luke 22:42 to have the cup removed / If Jesus never died for us. Do you believe all of us would be in the same eternal home? Peter would be with Judas?

The "rules" of the OT would apply.
Those who offered the appropriate Mosaic sacrifice for a sin would end up with Abraham and Isaac and Enoch.

Does God see all sinners deserving capital punishment of eternal fire?

Yes.
It is written..."The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." (Psalm 5:5)

The way to eternal life is available to all men.
A true turn from sin, baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins, and reception of the Holy Ghost.
But without the "turn", everything else is wasted time and effort.

 

[KingJ]

Don't complement me or my efforts.
Complement and give glory to God for providing the way to live as a new creature.
It is written..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)

I can compliment your devotion. Because it is abnormal. You are striving in a direction you don't need to. Like a priest who takes a vow of abstinence. In that scripture, do what things?

The "rules" of the OT would apply.
Those who offered the appropriate Mosaic sacrifice for a sin would end up with Abraham and Isaac and Enoch.

So those who hated sin and repented, would sacrifice and be separated. Agreed. Separation of sinners and sinners.

Yes.

You just said they don't. Re-read your line above.

It is written..."The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity." (Psalm 5:5)

God hates nobody. He hates sin. We have to add context here just as we do on 'God hardening Pharaoh's heart and hating Esau.

Ok. So now that you agree there is a separation of sinners and sinners without Jesus grafting us in to heaven / life.

1. Do you believe you are any different to those sinners in the OT who would sacrifice?
2. When would you need to sacrifice. After a mortal sin, sure. But after every venial sin to? A collection of venial sins, sure. Like for example, if you cursed once. Sacrifice? Or cursed for the month, then sacrifice?

 

[At Peace]

I can compliment your devotion. Because it is abnormal.

You bet it is.
Jesus wondered if He would even find faith when He returned. (Luke 18:8)
The "normal" now days is unfaithfulness

You are striving in a direction you don't need to.

If it wasn't "needful", the workers of iniquity would end up getting eternal life in spite of their hate of God and His governing.

Like a priest who takes a vow of abstinence.

You castigate a catholic tenet?

(QUOTE) In that scripture, (2 Peter 1:10), do what things?[?QUOTE]
The "things" of verses 4 through 8.

So those who hated sin and repented, would sacrifice and be separated.

Separated?
I didn't use that term.
They would offer the appropriate sacrificial animal and be declared clean.
Standard OT procedure.

You just said they don't. (Does God see all sinners deserving capital punishment of eternal fire?) Re-read your line above.

They, (OT sinners), "don't" if they do the appropriate sacrifice.
Standard OT procedure for men not yet given the gifts Jesus enabled us to have ie. repentance from sin and the baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins plus the death of the flesh and rebirth of God's seed...which cannot bring forth evil fruit.

God hates nobody. He hates sin. We have to add context here just as we do on 'God hardening Pharaoh's heart and hating Esau.

Your "context" is counter to scripture.
I quoted Psalms 5:5.

Ok. So now that you agree there is a separation of sinners and sinners without Jesus grafting us in to heaven / life.

I don't know what you are writing about.

1. Do you believe you are any different to those sinners in the OT who would sacrifice?

Yes, as I have been blessed with a way to kill the old man and be reborn of God's seed which cannot bring forth evil fruit.
OT men didn't yet have that option.

2. When would you need to sacrifice. After a mortal sin, sure. But after every venial sin to? A collection of venial sins, sure. Like for example, if you cursed once. Sacrifice? Or cursed for the month, then sacrifice?

My "sacrifice" was offered once for my past sins.
Only the haters of God would commit more sins, manifesting that they walk in the dark instead of in the light, and that any previous repentance was a lie to God.

Because you erroneously think one kind of sin will bear a greater or lesser penalty than another, you have manufactured a license to commit sin.
You are trying to legitimize remaining in the OT.
Sin-sacrifice, sin-sacrifice, sin-sacrifice.
Folks doing that now in the NT will hear..."Depart from me ye that work iniquity". (Matt 7:23)

 

[KingJ]

Separated?
I didn't use that term.
They would offer the appropriate sacrificial animal and be declared clean.
Standard OT procedure.

So, in death there were clean and unclean people. They would live together? in the same house? Samson with the Philistines? David with Goliath?

This is the second time I am asking this. Stop being evasive!

The answer is NO, God is not foolish. He sees a difference between sinners who repent and sinners who don't. You are no more special then those sinners in the OT that repented and yet still sinned.

Your "context" is counter to scripture.
I quoted Psalms 5:5.

The discussion on you believing God hates His enemies when He tells us to love ours, is for another day.

Yes, as I have been blessed with a way to kill the old man and be reborn of God's seed which cannot bring forth evil fruit.
OT men didn't yet have that option.

Lets first understand what God wants of us. Which I have made clear above.

Those in the OT who repented were set aside in Abrahams Bosom or as some prophets were taken to a part of heaven. Why? Because they were perfect in God's eyes. Perfectly deserving His sacrifice on the cross, to be washed clean of their past sins. So, perfect to God is in the heart and depth of mind's intent, NOT in being 100% ''sinless!

My "sacrifice" was offered once for my past sins.
Only the haters of God would commit more sins, manifesting that they walk in the dark instead of in the light, and that any previous repentance was a lie to God.

So, you have never needed to repent more then once to your wife? Not wanting to repent or thinking you don't need to is walking in the dark.

Because you erroneously think one kind of sin will bear a greater or lesser penalty than another, you have manufactured a license to commit sin.

Rom 2:6 God will repay each person according to what they have done.

1 Cor 6:2-5 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame.

When you say sin = sin. I shudder to think of your judgement of all those men who thought of another woman. I don't think Paul will be impressed with your interpretation skills of this passage by him.

You are trying to legitimize remaining in the OT.
Sin-sacrifice, sin-sacrifice, sin-sacrifice.
Folks doing that now in the NT will hear..."Depart from me ye that work iniquity". (Matt 7:23)

I am trying to help you understand that God is good, impartial and does not change. Free will to disobey is good. Same expectations of those OT and NT is impartial.

The difference between the old and new covenant is Jesus and us grafted in. Able to fellowship with God. Not because of our righteousness, but because of Jesus.

That verse in Matt 7:22-23 must be contrasted with James 1:27. Matt 7:22 refers to those doing boastful acts like ''healing the sick, casting out demons, prophesying'....whereas James 1:27 ''the guy who helped a widow change a light bulb...God calls religion undefiled. IE Their hearts were far from God.

You are simply missing the boat and straining a gnat.

 

[At Peace]

So, in death there were clean and unclean people. They would live together? in the same house? Samson with the Philistines? David with Goliath?

Of course not.
Thanks for putting your question in a better phrase.

The answer is NO, God is not foolish. He sees a difference between sinners who repent and sinners who don't. You are no more special then those sinners in the OT that repented and yet still sinned.

Sinners who "turn from" sin aren't sinners anymore.
Further sin would manifest that the prior repentance from sin was a lie.

Lets first understand what God wants of us. Which I have made clear above.
Those in the OT who repented were set aside in Abrahams Bosom or as some prophets were taken to a part of heaven. Why? Because they were perfect in God's eyes.

You will need to supply some scripture to validate that belief.
All will "sleep" till the return of Christ in glory, unless they are alive at that point in time.
And, yes, some were taken directly to be with God...Enoch, Elijah, etc.

Perfectly deserving His sacrifice on the cross, to be washed clean of their past sins. So, perfect to God is in the heart and depth of mind's intent, NOT in being 100% ''sinless!

Christ didn't die for the benefit of the OT men.
Their fate is already sealed, and they will be judged according to the law they had at the time of their times.

So, you have never needed to repent more then once to your wife? Not wanting to repent or thinking you don't need to is walking in the dark.

You have it backwards.
Walking in the light we can say Christ's blood washed away all our past sin. (1 John 1:7)
By continuing on in the light we will never transgress again.
There is no darkness (sin) in the light...which is God.
There is no sin in God.

Rom 2:6 God will repay each person according to what they have done.

True, and Paul writes..."Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; (death Rom 6:23), and some men they follow after." (1 Tim 5:24)
I suffered my death, for my sins, when I was crucified with Christ, (Rom 6:6)
After my burial, with Christ, I was raised, with Christ, to walk in newness of life...thanks be to God. (Rom 6:4)

1 Cor 6:2-5

Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame.
When you say sin = sin. I shudder to think of your judgement of all those men who thought of another woman. I don't think Paul will be impressed with your interpretation skills of this passage by him.

Your fear of judgement is testimony against you.
If you repent of sin, your love will be made perfect and you will be able to quit fearing judgement.
It is written..."Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.(1 John 4:17-18)
Sinners won't "be like Him" at His return in glory...and with an avenging sword.
But those that have turned from sin will be like Him.

I am trying to help you understand that God is good, impartial and does not change. Free will to disobey is good. Same expectations of those OT and NT is impartial.

Free will to OBEY Him is good too.
So the question is...do you "will" to serve God?

The difference between the old and new covenant is Jesus and us grafted in. Able to fellowship with God. Not because of our righteousness, but because of Jesus.

He is the root, so the vines must be like Him.
Perfect in love.

That verse in Matt 7:22-23 must be contrasted with James 1:27. Matt 7:22 refers to those doing boastful acts like ''healing the sick, casting out demons, prophesying'....whereas James 1:27 ''the guy who helped a widow change a light bulb...God calls religion undefiled. IE Their hearts were far from God.
You are simply missing the boat and straining a gnat.

The "camel" you missed in Matt 7:23 were the words "ye that work iniquity".
All the sinners who were mired in false religions that equivocated on sin will hear those words from the Lord.