If God created us, he is responsible for human nature and the buck stops with him, not us.
I believe the Biblical deity is a human construct as it seems to have all the worst of human failings, no doubt with the idea that our god is bigger than yours. We are responsible for our own actions for better or for worse, and no deity is going to ride to the rescue.
The idea of residing in 'heaven' with the Biblical version of God, would be worse than being in hell with much maligned Satan. When people die I am of the opinion they cease to be.
Of course I could have got it all wrong, so I better stock up on asbestos clothing for when I am chucked into the fires of hell, LOL!
But as there is no evidence to support any of the fanciful stories in the Bible the default position is unbelief, imo!
Of course I don't have to post on this forum and no doubt if I upset too many of the 'faithful' I will be banned. Sadly many 'born again' Biblical literalists accept it all without any question.
I consider myself an agnostic, it is possible a god of some sort could exist in another dimension, but I am of the opinion that all the religions adhered to by humans are created by them, including Christianity. Both Islam and Christianity have nothing much of which to be proud about having caused so much damage over the centuries.
I wasn't born in the UK but moved here 46 years ago when I married. It might not be perfect, but I wouldn't live anywhere else. I am so grateful I don't live across the pond where right-wing religionists seem to have polluted the US political system with their evil nonsense.
Sometimes I believe you just make comments to see if you can get a rise out of people. Especially, them stiff necked Christians! :laugh:
Sorry I can't take the bait.
You know you have the ability to communicate in a fashion that can be less abrasive, but have chosen not to. Why this is besides what others who have professed to be Christians have done to you in the past. Is the only thing that comes to mind.
Except for your opinion you have offered nothing concrete to refute anything presented before you. What you have shown is a little of your own pain. Which believe it or not. Is something that probably every one here can relate to at one moment of time in their lives or another. Many would gladly pray with and for you, with tears running down their checks for the love of you. A love that started to truly dawn upon us, when we began to understand the sacrificial love that brought Jesus to the Cross for each one of us.
This is what we are willing to share with and for you. Not Fantasy, humor, disappointment, and anger. Rather truth, joy, hope and love. All these we willingly attempt to share in our unskilled fashion. Yet share them we desire to do. If you seek just entertainment. May I suggest the BBC. They might have programming that probably will justify your beliefs at least more so then what my Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus here at Talk Jesus can share.
You say you don't apologize for challenging "born again" dogma. Yet keep in mind that it is you who came here and not the other way around. We only ask that you explain and define, and we get opinion. Which is only true to you and no one else, no matter how we might try to understand your own position neither of us gain anything from this discourse.
Keep in mind that you will always be welcome to return with whatever name you choose to sign up as, after you leave or are banned. With the knowledge that Talk Jesus, talks and believes in a loving God, and bares no ill will to even those who would ridicule them. For to many it would not be the first time it has happened and how the world is turning, it sure won't be the last.
Unless, you truly have something to contribute besides opinion, may I suggest you take a break to reassess why you believe as you do.
Know that I'm not angry, and still love you in spite of what your may think about us who are Christians here at Talk Jesus.
Fare you well.
C4E
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Off to work!!!