God's gift of Tongues Are Not for Private Use

[GodB4Us]

But He did say it according to Mark 16:17-18 just not necessarily to Nicodemus, but there was always a difference between those that were outside the circle and those within (disciples)
Not to mention these things were said by Him AFTER His death and resurrection.



No, one must believe in God that God hath raised Jesus from the dead, and that Jesus is Lord. Romans 10:9

Again one does not need to seek those things because the Lord will require you to step up and do some of them as He presents them to you. If He says go pray for him, and there is a man standing right in front of you, thats what you do, go pray for Him. Sometimes it's strange but you still do it. If He allows you to hear an unclean spirit within someone you cast it out in His name. Again these are experiences that He provides to the new believer to show them who they are in Him. Nobody has to seek those things. He will openly show these signs
and wonders through the believer for the edification of whomsoever the prayer or the casting out is for.

Do not discount what the Holy Ghost provides for the believer just because you do not have the same testimony. Indeed without that type of testimony one is just another
Bible thumper, without the Spirit.
And without the Spirit ye are NONE OF HIS.

The problem here is that you ae the one departing from the testimony we are all suppose to share and thus you have been preaching another gospel as in receiving the Holy Ghost again to receive by a sign. And like it or not, it goes beyond the second blessing hence that second drink to more drinks of the One Spirit. Like an old wineskin unable to hold the new wine which opposes the truth about our salvation as always Spirit-filled to hunger & thirst no more to be filled.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The last two references, Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35 are ones I cannot see you as applying as part of your testimony regarding Jesus Christ & the Good News to man. How can you rectify that? Maybe then the Lord will lead you to repentance.

 

[Samson2020]

The problem here is that you ae the one departing from the testimony we are all suppose to share and thus you have been preaching another gospel as in receiving the Holy Ghost again to receive by a sign. And like it or not, it goes beyond the second blessing hence that second drink to more drinks of the One Spirit. Like an old wineskin unable to hold the new wine which opposes the truth about our salvation as always Spirit-filled to hunger & thirst no more to be filled.

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The last two references, Matthew 9:17 & John 6:35 are ones I cannot see you as applying as part of your testimony regarding Jesus Christ & the Good News to man. How can you rectify that? Maybe then the Lord will lead you to repentance.

Your problem is that you don't even realize that you just don't have it, thus you "preach" against it to make yourself feel better. "Everybody needs to be like me", " believe as I do",
That makes a good "Church of Christ" member, but not a body of Christ member.

 

[GodB4Us]

Your problem is that you don't even realize that you just don't have it, thus you "preach" against it to make yourself feel better. "Everybody needs to be like me", " believe as I do",
That makes a good "Church of Christ" member, but not a body of Christ member.

I believe in God's gift of tongues is of other men's lips for God to speak unto the people as the scripture plainly states as Paul gave the bottom line on tongues here.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

That is why His gift of tongues will come with interpretation in the assembly so that even the tongue speaker may understand and be edified. This is why it cannot be for private use.

I know that many believers today wants to believe that tongue for private use is of God as well as that notable phenomenon that brought it, but it is not;

Saved believers can become a medium but that experience does not justify that as being of God either just because they are Christians.

 

[Waggles]

This is why it cannot be for private use.

Again false doctrine.
The book of Acts (and also Jesus in John and Mark) teaches us that speaking in tongues is the evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit for every disciple who receives the Spirit.
The epistles to the Spirit-filled churches, the ekklesia, the saints, teaches them and us on how to walk in the Spirit and to conduct ourselves in an orderly fashion.
1Corinthians 14 is about the proper and orderly conduct of the body of Christ when holding a worship meeting - rules concerning the proper operation of the three voice gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Pentecostal churches that follow the word of God obediently and also conduct themselves in accordance to Paul's teachings are made up of Spirit-filled disciples who ALL can pray in tongues AND also some
who can operate a different kind of tongue from their everyday prayer tongue at meetings. Some will speak in this different tongue by the Holy Spirit, but not all in the church operate this gift.
There are also disciples who pray in tongues at home and can operate the gift of interpretation.
And likewise the same as pertaining to the gifts of prophecy.
But ALL those baptized in water and the Spirit of God can and do pray in tongues at home.

 

[Phedup]

Paul gave the bottom line on what the God's gift of tongues are for which is for God to speak unto the people in their native language in spite of believers wresting his words to mean otherwise in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongue speakers today are departing from faith by believing they can receive the Holy Ghost by a sign of tongues as proof of salvation. Some believed and were saved before they went up to the altar seeking proof of salvation.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Now you need to get off of that false teaching about Paul being a false apostle because Peter did testify the epistles of Paul to be the same as scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Now I put this out here; " If " you are trying to defend homosexuality by attacking Christianity, you are not doing yourself any favors nor the LGBTQ+ communities. They need Jesus Christ to save them from their sins and keep them from their sins as many saved believer here are to rely on Him to keep them from their sins and not just turn to for forgiveness of sins and His help not to do that again, in thought, word, or deed. That is what running that race is all about, walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son 1 John 1:3-9 in helping us to lay aside every weight & sin daily ( Hebrews 12:1-2 ) so we can be accepted by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House when the Bridegroom comes. 2 Corinthians 5:7-11

Paul is the only one who teaches nonsensical "tounges", and not any of the apostles acknowledge the approval of it.

 

[B-A-C]

Paul is the only one who teaches nonsensical "tounges", and not any of the apostles acknowledge the approval of it.

Well, it is mentioned by Mark. quoting Jesus. Does Jesus count?

Mark 16:17; And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

 

[GodB4Us]

Paul is the only one who teaches nonsensical "tounges", and not any of the apostles acknowledge the approval of it.

Paul did not teach that at all.

Whatever you hear is from modern tongue speakers today reading in between the lines in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter as if Paul was saying how cool tongues was for private use when in actuality thru out that chapter, prophesy is the best gift to seek after over all spiritual gifts and began to compare tongues with prophesy to show why prophesy is better because tongues is not a stand alone gift that it has to come with interpretation to even benefit the tongue speaker.

 

[Phedup]

Paul gave the bottom line on what the God's gift of tongues are for

Nope, he has no authority to invent a new religion.

 

[Phedup]

Well, it is mentioned by Mark. quoting Jesus. Does Jesus count?

Mark 16:17; And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

This is a later inclusion in the bible by Pauline christians. It does not exist in the early manuscripts. It is a lie also.

 

[Phedup]

Paul did not teach that at all.

It would be better if you proved your assertion.

This only exists in Pauline Christianity. You do the math.

 

[Samson2020]

This is a later inclusion in the bible by Pauline christians. It does not exist in the early manuscripts. It is a lie also.

I've heard that excuse before, but why then is the text in RED LETTERS written by Mark quoting Jesus?
And if the scriptures do not lie then it came out of the mouth of Jesus, thus not a lie.

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 13:14 And to [cessationists] is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and in no wise understand; And seeing ye shall see, and in no wise perceive:
13:15 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest haply they should perceive with their eyes, And hear with their ears,
And understand with their heart, and should turn again, And I shall heal them.
13:16 But blessed YOUR eyes, for they see; and YOUR ears, for they hear.

1Cor 2:9 but as it is written, Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And entered not into heart of man, Whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him.
2:10 For to us [the Spirit-filled ekklesia] God revealed through the Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the depths of God.
2:13 Which things also we [Spirit-filled disciples] speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men.
2:14 Now man natural [cessationists] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged.

 

[GodB4Us]

Nope, he has no authority to invent a new religion.

Paul created no new religion, and Peter supported him.

Now you need to get off of that false teaching about Paul being a false apostle because Peter did testify the epistles of Paul to be the same as scripture.

2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

Galatians 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

There is only one gospel for them all to share the right hand of fellowship. So whatever you learned about Paul from somebody else, was not knowledgeable in the scripture.

 

[Waggles]

Paul created no new religion, and Peter supported him.

Where are the moderators??
How much more doctrinal gobbledegook must we suffer here on TalkJesus ??

 

[GodB4Us]

Where are the moderators??
How much more doctrinal gobbledegook must we suffer here on TalkJesus ??

Seeing how we have been at odds before, to whom are you addressing this complaint about? Me or @Phedup ?

I cannot imagine you agreeing with Phedup but do clarify your comment, brother, since Phedup believes Paul to be a false apostle.

 

[Waggles]

Seeing how we have been at odds before, to whom are you addressing this complaint about? Me or @Phedup ?

I cannot imagine you agreeing with Phedup but do clarify your comment, brother, since Phedup believes Paul to be a false apostle.

I may have misread your reply to @Phedup as agreeing with him. But on rereading I can see that you are not claiming Paul to be false apostle - my apologies.

 

[God's Truth]

Hmmm... was Barnabas directly taught by Jesus?

Acts 14:14; But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out

How about Stephen?

Acts 6:8; And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

During the laying of the foundation, God testified to what the apostles and disciples did by allowing them to do signs and miracles.

An apostle is one who is CHOSEN, CALLED, and SENT, and TAUGHT by Jesus, and able to do MANY MIRACLES and helped lay the foundation. .
Jesus spoke plainly to his apostles he chose and told them them are chosen and sent.

Anyone calling themselves an apostle now, they were taught their beliefs from men and women.
There are no more Apostles, for we all learn from what has already been written.


Matthew 10:1 [ Jesus Sends Out the Twelve ] Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by a man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father,


Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:16 to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not rush to consult with flesh and blood,

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God—

Acts 14:3 So Paul and Barnabas spent considerable time there, speaking boldly for the Lord, who confirmed the message of his grace by enabling them to perform signs and wonders.

John 17:18 As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Acts 1:2 until the day He was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles He had chosen.

Acts 915 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Hebrews 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.



There are no more Apostles. God testified to the message the apostles spoke, the gospel has been taught and the scriptures are finished, the foundation has been laid, and the sign has been given.

 

[Phedup]

but why then is the text in RED LETTERS written by Mark quoting Jesus?

Because Man has the ability to lie. And does so, frequently.

And if the scriptures do not lie then it came out of the mouth of Jesus, thus not a lie.

Where does God say that "scriptures" do not lie? And please tell me which versions of the many different versions is the correct version of "scripture" that is true.

 

[God's Truth]

But He did say it according to Mark 16:17-18 just not necessarily to Nicodemus, but there was always a difference between those that were outside the circle and those within (disciples)
Not to mention these things were said by Him AFTER His death and resurrection.



No, one must believe in God that God hath raised Jesus from the dead, and that Jesus is Lord. Romans 10:9

Again one does not need to seek those things because the Lord will require you to step up and do some of them as He presents them to you. If He says go pray for him, and there is a man standing right in front of you, thats what you do, go pray for Him. Sometimes it's strange but you still do it. If He allows you to hear an unclean spirit within someone you cast it out in His name. Again these are experiences that He provides to the new believer to show them who they are in Him. Nobody has to seek those things. He will openly show these signs
and wonders through the believer for the edification of whomsoever the prayer or the casting out is for.

Do not discount what the Holy Ghost provides for the believer just because you do not have the same testimony. Indeed without that type of testimony one is just another
Bible thumper, without the Spirit.
And without the Spirit ye are NONE OF HIS.

If you have the Holy Spirit as you claim, you wouldn't have falsely judged and condemned the one saved by the Holy Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

Your problem is that you don't even realize that you just don't have it, thus you "preach" against it to make yourself feel better. "Everybody needs to be like me", " believe as I do",
That makes a good "Church of Christ" member, but not a body of Christ member.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit and is the one who saves a person and gives them his Spirit.
Jesus saves those he accepts, and he accepts those who believe and obey him.

In the New Testament times in the Bible, tongues were a sign, and it was a sign given, and it ceased, just like the two other things would cease, and that is prophecies and new knowledge, three things given during the laying of the foundation.

1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.