Except that the event of the resurrection was that first day of the week when the women noticed that He was missing from the tomb. Kind of a given.
Thanks for the correction. Sorry I misquoted you. Forgive me. Thanks in advance.
Do you subscribe to the Short Ending or Longer Ending in Mark Chapter 16?
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But you wouldn't think it was a given if you didn't have Mark 16:9.
If you want to specify one verse for that testimony, sure, but all four gospels testify to His resurrection.
But only Mark 16:9 places it on the first day of the week.
As a singular verse, sure, but the resurrection having happened on the first day of the week can be found in all 4 gospels when read in context to that event on the first day of the week..
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Huh?
Matt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.
Luke 24:1; But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.
John 20:1; Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene *came early to the tomb, while it *was still dark, and *saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
All 4 gospels put it on the first day.
What context is there in Matthew, Luke and John which shows that the resurrection - no question about it - had to have occurred on the first day of the week so that Mark 16:9 is not necessary
I don't see where those verses mention the resurrection, much less when it occurred.
The women that went to the tomb did not find Him in the tomb but the tomb was empty because He has risen.
Your Matthew 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:21 and John 20:1 references say nothing about the tomb being empty.
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Matthew 28:1 Now late in the week, as it began to dawn toward the first of the week, came Mariam Magdalene and the other Mary to view the sepulchre.
2 And lo, there was a great earthquake; for the Lord’s angel descended from heaven, and came and rolled away the stone, and sat upon it.
3 And his appearance was as lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 and for fear of him the watchers did quake, and became as dead.
5 And the angel answered and said to the women, Fear not YE; for I know that ye seek Jesus the crucified one.
6 He is not here; for he is risen, even as he said. Come, see the place where he lay.
2 And lo, there was a great earthquake; for the Lord’s angel descended from heaven, and came and rolled away the stone, and sat upon it.
3 And his appearance was as lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 and for fear of him the watchers did quake, and became as dead.
5 And the angel answered and said to the women, Fear not YE; for I know that ye seek Jesus the crucified one.
6 He is not here; for he is risen, even as he said. Come, see the place where he lay.
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Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salōmē brought spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early on the first day of the week, they come to the tomb when the sun was risen.
3 And they were saying among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the tomb? [Mathew 28:2]
4 and looking up, they behold that the stone is rolled back: for it was exceeding great.
5 And entering into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, arrayed in a white robe; and they were amazed.
6 And he saith to them, Be not amazed: ye seek Jesus, the Nazarene, the crucified one: he is risen; he is not here: see the place where they laid him!
Mark 16:9 Now when he was risen early on the first of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
10 SHE went and reported to them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
2 And very early on the first day of the week, they come to the tomb when the sun was risen.
3 And they were saying among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the tomb? [Mathew 28:2]
4 and looking up, they behold that the stone is rolled back: for it was exceeding great.
5 And entering into the tomb, they saw a young man sitting on the right, arrayed in a white robe; and they were amazed.
6 And he saith to them, Be not amazed: ye seek Jesus, the Nazarene, the crucified one: he is risen; he is not here: see the place where they laid him!
Mark 16:9 Now when he was risen early on the first of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons.
10 SHE went and reported to them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.
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Luke 24:1 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came unto the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.
24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb.
24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the tomb.
24:3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
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John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week cometh Mary agdalene early, while it was yet dark, unto the tomb, and seeth the stone taken away from the tomb.
2 She runneth therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith to them, They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and the other disciple, and they went to the tomb.
4 And the two ran together: and the other disciple outran Peter, and came first to the tomb;
5 and stooping down, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet went he not in.
2 She runneth therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith to them, They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and the other disciple, and they went to the tomb.
4 And the two ran together: and the other disciple outran Peter, and came first to the tomb;
5 and stooping down, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet went he not in.
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Both. The "longer ending" was added by the author after the book's initial publication, as verse 18 is a clear reference to Paul.
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Waggles, love ya brother, but I would strongly suggest you educate yourself with regards to the development of the New Testament canon, given to you by the infamous Roman Catholic Church.
The existence of the canon of the Church of the (far) East proves that God did not "preserve His word [the scriptures]" in the West.
There are more mistakes in the manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament. Spelling and copy errors can be somewhat overlooked, but others cannot. The mere existence of two contradicting manuscripts disproves this "God preserving a book" doctrine nonsense.
All serious believers should seriously read this book:
Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bibl…
For almost 1,500 years, the New Testament manuscripts w…
God bless,
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By itself no, but when you keep on reading, guess what the women discovered on that first day of the week?
Then you should have posted the additional verses to support your point. But even then, the additional verses do not say when the resurrection took place. Only Mark 16:9 does which was my point for saying that it does make a difference with regard to whether or not Mark 16:9 is authentic scripture.
To whom is your post directed and what is your point?
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God knew what would happen and so He sealed his Word as written by the Holy Spirit to thwart both the adversary and human conniving -
God is A Mathematician by Keith Newman
The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by atheists and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical seal beneath its surface.
It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible Numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.
Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most renowned atheistic nation, Russia. Ivan Panin was born in Russia on December 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.
Panin was exiled from Russia. And after spending a number of years studying in Germany, he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism. Panin was known as a firm agnostic—so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.
It was in 1890 that Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God. . ."
Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the" preceded the word "God" in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.
Panin found his proof in the oldest and most accurate manuscripts—the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.
In the original languages of the Bible, mostly Hebrew and Greek, there are no separate symbols for numbers, letters of the alphabet are also used to indicate numbers.
The numeric value of a word is the sum total of all its letters. It was curiosity that first caused Panin to begin toying with the numbers behind the texts. Sequences and patterns began to emerge. These created such a stirring in the heart of the Russian that he dedicated 50 years of his life to painstakingly comb the pages of the Bible.
This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book of the scriptures emphasizing certain passages and illustrating deeper or further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.
Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling. The whole Bible was written over a period of 1,500 years with a 400 year silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in accord with the other.
Panin says the laws of probability are exceeded into the billions when we try and rationalize the authorship of the Bible as the work of man. He once said: "If human logic is worth anything at all we are simply driven to the conclusion that if my facts I have presented are true, man could never have done this".
"We must assume that a Power higher than man guided the writers in such a way, whether they knew it or not, they did it and the Great God inspired them to do it".
The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord" and "God said" occur more than 2,500 times throughout scripture.
In 2 Timothy 3:16 it states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God." Then in II Peter 2:20-21 it plainly states: "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".
Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations of seven.
This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.
Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).
In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7). The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4 x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection." It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8). Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God" which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Galatians 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word "Amen" or "verily" is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is finished." The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
Great superstition has always surrounded the number 13 as being unlucky or dark. Perhaps there is good reason. One of the most convincing proofs of the origins of this number can be found by unravelling all the names by which Satan is known. Drakon or dragon has a value of 975 (13 x 75) and it occurs 13 times. Peirazon or tempter has a value of 1053 (13 x 81). Belial which is personification of evil has a value of 78 (13 x 6).
Anthropoktonos or "murderer" has a value of 1820 (13 x 40). Ophis or "serpent" is 780 (13 x 60). The phrase used by the Holy Spirit Ho kaloumenos diablos kai ho Satanas or "called the Devil and Satan" is valued 2,197 (13 x 13 x 13).
This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Panin's work initially involved some 40,000 pages of material on which he had written millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes.
He often laboured up to 18 hours a day exploring the vast numeric structure. By and large it was a thankless task. Panin said "When I first made the discovery I was of course, taken off my feet—I was in the same condition as our friend Archimedes who when he solved a great mathematical problem while in the bath, rushed in to the street naked, crying 'I have found it.' I thought people would be delighted to embrace the new discovery, but I found human nature is always the same. So I quietly withdrew and did my work all by myself".
Although it would appear that his work has been largely lost from popular reading today Panin did accomplish several outstanding works. He published Structure in the Bible the Numeric Greek New Testament and the Numeric English New Testament.
The works of Ivan Panin have been put before the experts many times. Panin once challenged nine noted rationalists and Bible critics through the medium of the New York Sun newspaper November 9, 1899. He dared them to publicly refute or give explanation for a few of his presented facts. Four made lame excuses. The rest were silent.
Panin issued a challenge throughout leading newspapers of the world asking for a natural explanation or rebuttal of the facts. Not a single person accepted. He died at Aldershot, Ontario Canada on October 30th, 1942, aged 87.
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