Do You Know GOD?

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The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander!

Trinity, Triune Godhead, God-the-Father, God-the-Son,
God-the- Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit, the Word, I AM,
Niceaen Creed, Church Fathers, Arian, etc!
For TWO THOUSAND YEARS the controversy over who Christ
is or was has raged among thousands of groups all claiming
their differing views to be based on the Bible!
Is that TRUE?
No. Most is based on CHURCH DOGMA, which distorts
their view of the Bible.

The matter really CAN be easily cleared
up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a
closer look at the Bible, while setting
Church Dogma aside!
We will do this from the very START of
the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the
very END of it (Revelation).

 

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We first start with the very first reference to the holy spirit:

Gen 1:2-And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit (or breath) of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Nothing here indicates a 'Ghost-God', much less two Other 'God-Persons/Natures/ Essences'... but there is MUCH more to come!

 

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Gen 1:26- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

CHURCHianity has God talking to Himself/Themselves, but His Son was there. Also, so too, were the angels-

Job 38:4- Where were you when I laid the earth s foundation? Tell me,if you understand.
5-Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6- On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone
7- while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

We don't know if the angels assisted God and Christ (they likely DID), however, it doesn't matter; God was speaking to his family. He Himself later tells us that it was His SON who "made" all things, and also that GOD created all things "THROUGH" him!
AND, being the Leader (Archangel) of the Messengers (Angels), the rest of the angels likely HELPED!

 

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As we continue thru the Bible, you will see OTHER ac counts where an Angel is spoken of as "Jehovah"
( or "LORD" in most translations removing it) for the sole reason God is SPEAKING directly THRU them.

Moses later writes that no man can see God and live, as Jesus later, still, did.
The Apostle John, too, later writes that no man HAS seen God, which indicates that He has used different angels and IMAGES to appear and represent Himself to man.
John, and MANY others DID see Jesus! (NOT God)
Abraham, too, sees ANGELS, not God- and certainly not THREE Almighty Gods!

 

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The account (Gen 18 and 19 above) shows Abraham and Sarah were VERY old- and that they were childless.
The angels TOLD him that God was going to enable them to have a son, which they did- Abraham being 100 years old!
( The son he had thru a concubine due to his wife's lack of faith, years earlier, - and by her INSISTENCE, was viewed by them AND GOD,
as illegitimate, and God made it clear that the blessings He had spoken about wouldn't be thru him, but thru his ONLY son, he had with his WIFE WOULD be,)

Then, years later -
Gen 22 : 2 - Then God said, Take your son, your only son, whom you love Isaac and go to the region of Moriah.
Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.

(For very interesting reading look up info like: Is Mount Ebal the ‘Real’ Home of God? )

There are no details telling us the anguish Abraham must have felt - only that he didn t hesitate, getting up early in the morning , traveling to Moriah , and was about to slaughter his ONLY - BEGOTTEN SON as a sacrifice to his God, when an angel stops him!

Later, the apostle Paul said THIS about the event-
Heb 11:17- By faith Abraham offered Isaac, when he was tempted ; and he offered the one begotten [son], which had taken the promises ; 18 - to whom it was said, For in Isaac the seed shall be called to thee. 19 - For he deemed, that God is mighty to raise him , yea , from death ; wherefore he took him also into a parable. - Wycliffe

Parable , Figurative Way , Illustrative Way , as different translations put it.

Illustrative of WHAT?
The Trinity of Father, a Ghost...and a Son?

It is not a co-incidence that Jehovah chose to refer to Jesus as His Only-Begotten Son !
The pattern was foreshadowed by that event, and EVERYONE knew what an only-begotten son WAS, until the clergy got a hold of it, convincing all it just meant the Second God of the Trinity.

NOTHING in scripture even HINTS at that.

 

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No mention of God-the-Son , nor God-the-Ghost .
A Personal Name that would be FOREVER!
Also notice that God NEVER says If you listen to US , WE will bless you . etc. when speaking to man; He ALWAYS speaks in the first person !
This does not show 3 God-Beings, but ONE Personage.

For FOUR HUNDRED YEARS, the Jews who worshiped him were in bondage to Egypt, and, understandably, were starting to doubt he existed or cared.
Thus he told Moses, whom He would use as a Word and a Spokesman, and arranged for his brother to speak FOR them, since Moses was poor at speaking -

Ex 4:15- You will speak with him and tell him what to say. I will help both you and him [to speak], and will teach you both what to do.
16- He will speak to the people for you. He will be your spokesman, and you will serve as God to him.
17- And take this staff in your hand that you will perform the signs with.an interesting thing to note,
Exodus 7:1 -And Jehovah said to Moses, " See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh;and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby

So Moses "Was God" to Aaron and to Pharoah.
Just as Jesus "Was God" to the world.

Heb 3:1- Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts
on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle ["sent-forth One"] and high priest.
2- He was faithful to the One who appointed him, >> just as <<< Moses was faithful in all God's house.

God is NOT an Apostle, is NOT a High Priest. JESUS is!

No 'Co-Equal' Fellow-Gods.
No Nameless Ghost-God .
The Only-Begotten son OF God, always faithful and loyal.to the ONLY true God, Jehovah.

 

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The next account giving us insight as to the nature & identity of God is found at Exodus 19.
The Israelites had just been delivered from Egypt, and God says He is going to appear before them all.
How will He do it? In a physical form, as the angels did with Abraham?
Does God HIMSELF become a little lower than ANGELS, as Christ later did?

Ex 19: 9-And Jehovah said to Moses, Lo, I will come to thee in the cloud s thick darkness, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee
also for ever. And Moses told the words of the people to Jehovah. -Darby

Was this even God Himself? Notice the Third Person wording:

Ex 19:24- And Jehovah said unto him, "Go, get thee down; and thou shalt come up, thou, and Aaron with thee: but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto Jehovah, lest He break forth upon them." - ASV

This indicates it was someone acting as the Word (Spokesman) of God...

1 Cor 10:1- I want you to know, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea,
2- and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
3- and all ate the same supernatural food
4- and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ.

Christ was the Word OF God- from the very beginning!

 

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Ex 23:20- See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared.
21- Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
22- If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you.

Note-
1 Cor 10:1- For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud
and that they all passed through the sea.
2- They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3- They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.)

Jesus was an Angel

 

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Deut 6:4- ear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.-ASV

Self explanatory!
(Neither THREE, nor Three-in-One)

 

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One particular account gives a clear picture of God s Spirit-

Num 11:16- And Jehovah said unto Moses, "Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tent of meeting, that they may stand there with thee.
17- And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of ["some of", in modern English] the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone."

I ll take some of the Spirit that is on you and place it on them - the Message
(Repeated several times in the account)
God HIMSELF calls the holy spirit "IT"- SEVERAL times, and says He will take SOME of IT from Moses.

Was the Ghost-God of Churchianity chopped up & passed around?
Did Almighty God #1 call God #3 "IT"????

Of COURSE not!

 

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It s not til we get to Isaiah, He foretells the coming of His son- giving us insight into his many roles~

Isa 9: 6- For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7- Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. -ASV

The clergy have long used this to prop up their Trinity Dogma, saying see there: MIGHTY GOD! ETERNAL FATHER! Jesus is God Almighty- there is the PROOF!"
It IS proof...of their ignorance and deception.
NO translation reads "Almighty".
Jesus himself pointed out how his God and Father had called others "God".
Angels, and Moses "were" God. (Ex 7:1)
Many are...FATHERS, both literally, and figuratively.
Even JESUS has a Father, and Jesus is OUR Father, since it was FOR and THRU him that God created us!
'Mighty God', in the Hebrew term "el gbur" literally means "Mighty Warrior", and is applied to mighty rulers, Gods of ancient people- and also the True God, as well as it was to be applied to His Son.
Isa 9 does NOT say God HIMSELF is to come- as WOULD be the case if the 'Trinity' was real, buuuuut says He will GIVE this individual to mankind!
Since Christ (as he is called later) has always been the Word (Spokesman) of God, he, as with Moses, REPRESENTS God, as shown by this and many other references.
He created the human race thru his Father s holy spirit- and he later DIED for us, and their 'immortal soul' dogma even belies THAT!

 

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Isa 42:8- "I am Jehovah, that is my name; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise unto graven images".

SELF EXPLANATORY!
(We all know He later DID share His Glory with His son, giving him all Power & Authority, as pictured in Daniel 7)

 

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Isa 46:5- Who will you compare me to?
Who is equal to me? What am I like? Who can you compare me to?
6- Some people pour gold out of their bags. They weigh out silver on the scales.
They hire someone who works with gold to make it into a God.
They bow down to it and worship it.
7- They lift it up on their shoulders and carry it. They set it up in its place. And there it stands.
It can' t move from that spot. Someone might cry out to it. But it does not answer him.
It can t save him from his troubles.
8- So remember that, you who refuse to obey me. Keep it in your minds and hearts.
9- Remember what happened in the past. Think about what took place long ago.
I am God. There is no other God. I am God. There is no one like me.
10- Before something even happens, I announce how it will end.
In fact, from times long ago I announced what was still to come.
I say, My plan will succeed. I will do anything I want to do.

 

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Again, the True God stresses that He ( not They ) is the ONLY True God- the rest being no more than figments of man s Imagination.
Where is reference to the other TWO Gods of Trinitarian Lore?

Isaiah 53:11- [God, speaking about Jesus] By his knowledge shall the righteous one, my SERVANT, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities.

God is NO ONE'S servant.

 

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Jeremiah was inspired by God s Breath (the Holy Spirit) to give another prophecy of the coming of Christ, while the Jews were captives in Babylon:

Jer 30:8- And it shall come to pass in that day, saith Jehovah of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds; and strangers shall no more make him their bondman;
9- but they shall serve Jehovah their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

Notice that God was NOT talking about Himself- but someone in ADDITION to Himself!!
Any pretense at being a Christian is quickly proven false when denying the One who SENT him, the One Jesus Served.

 

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Next comes the ancient Hebrew prophet, Ezekiel, who has a VISION of God!
Did he see three beings, or.....

Ez 1: 1- Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth [month], on the fifth of the month, as I was among the captives by the river Chebar, the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
3-the word of Jehovah came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of Jehovah was there upon him.
4-And I looked, and behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the look of glowing brass, out of the midst of the fire.
28-As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the apearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of
the glory of Jehovah. And when I saw, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of one that spoke.
2:1- And He said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak with thee. 2-And the spirit entered into me when He spoke unto me, and set me upon my feet; and I heard Him that spoke unto me.

No God-the-Son, no God-the-Ghost .
Just ONE Grand Personage we know as Jehovah!
NOWHERE in ANY of the many visions of God is there seen ANYTHING like the 'Trinity'!
Just Jehovah, then later, after his appointment; His son.

 

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In the 11th Chapter of Ezekiel, we find a very rare pre-Christian reference to the holy spirit.
Keep in mind, as you read it, that the Hebrew word used literally means wind or "breath":

Ez 11:22- Then did the cherubim lift up their wings, and the wheels were beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
23- And the glory of Jehovah went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.
24- And the spirit lifted me up, and brought me in the vision by the spirit of God into Chaldea, to them of the captivity. So the vision that I had seen went up from me.
25- Then I spake unto them of the captivity all the things that Jehovah had showed me. -ASV

Ones belief of what the holy spirit is can easily flavor our understanding of this verse; was it the POWER of God that enabled Ezekiel to see and experience this vision-
or a God-the-Ghost?

 

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Daniel, the ancient Hebrew prophet, was the next to "see God" - and also the one we know as Christ, in 2 visions long before Jesus was given the name "Jesus" -

Daniel 2:44- And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever.
Daniel 7: 9 - As I looked, thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took His seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.
10 - A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him.
The court was seated, and the books were opened.
13- In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
14-And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Note how the "son of man" is "coming with the clouds"- and prophesied in the Last Days.
This takes place in HEAVEN. PICTURED by the clouds.
There is no 3-Person Godhead, with one God giving another God this kingship.
The simple- yet dynamic- picture reveals the One TRUE God choosing someone to be the King of Kings.

We KNOW who that one is!

 

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That is all I can find that reveals God's identity in the OT!
Next- the NT!

 

[Christ4Ever]

It s not til we get to Isaiah, He foretells the coming of His son- giving us insight into his many roles~

Isa 9: 6- For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7- Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this. -ASV

The clergy have long used this to prop up their Trinity Dogma, saying see there: MIGHTY GOD! ETERNAL FATHER! Jesus is God Almighty- there is the PROOF!"
It IS proof...of their ignorance and deception.
NO translation reads "Almighty".
Jesus himself pointed out how his God and Father had called others "God".
Angels, and Moses "were" God. (Ex 7:1)
Many are...FATHERS, both literally, and figuratively.
Even JESUS has a Father, and Jesus is OUR Father, since it was FOR and THRU him that God created us!
'Mighty God', in the Hebrew term "el gbur" literally means "Mighty Warrior", and is applied to mighty rulers, Gods of ancient people- and also the True God, as well as it was to be applied to His Son.
Isa 9 does NOT say God HIMSELF is to come- as WOULD be the case if the 'Trinity' was real, buuuuut says He will GIVE this individual to mankind!
Since Christ (as he is called later) has always been the Word (Spokesman) of God, he, as with Moses, REPRESENTS God, as shown by this and many other references.
He created the human race thru his Father s holy spirit- and he later DIED for us, and their 'immortal soul' dogma even belies THAT!

You should look to the Dead Sea Scrolls that many look to as confirmation of what the book of Isaiah says as it pertains to v9:6.
Which were Jewish Manuscripts, not Christian ones, and not found to exist until 1947.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Added: You might also look to the dating of them. Wiki has it's moments, but here is a link and the most pertinent part to what is known concerning the Book of Isaiah's dating of copies is in the first paragraph and reads as follows:
"entire Book of Isaiah from beginning to end, apart from a few small damaged portions. It is the oldest complete copy of the Book of Isaiah, being approximately 1000 years older than the previous oldest Hebrew manuscripts known before the scrolls' discovery."