Your words matter not, i will still pray for you, for you are in dire need of Christs Love and Compassion.
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You're right—we build our lives on the solid rock of Christ's words (Matthew 7:24-27) and trust in God's mercy, grace, and forgiveness (1 John 1:9). We don't "try harder" to earn it; we repent, believe the gospel, and abide in Him (John 15). If someone is genuinely concerned ("Am I truly His?"), that's often a good sign the Spirit is at work in them. The self-deceived are usually complacent and never think themselves as doing any wrong.
Examine your heart: Have you come to Christ as a helpless sinner, trusting only in His finished work on the cross (not your goodness or church activity)? Do you love Him, even imperfectly? Then rest in this: "See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are" (1 John 3:1).
Don't live in fear, or worry so, but in reverent awe and joyful dependence. The same grace that saves also keeps and sanctifies. Keep fighting sin, pursuing holiness, and clinging to Christ—that's the path of those who are truly His. If these things are real in your life, you can have solid assurance, all to the glory of God's amazing grace.
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Like i said your offended at the Words and the Way of the Lord..you follow the god of this world.. tho others may wanna baby you, comfort you like your a toddler and don't know right from wrong while you walk happily with the darkness i will not..it not that you cant make decisions you dont want to .your too weak minded n that is very dangerous for those around you .
Your ways are wicked i see the fruit that your kind are producing..ya are Only lying to yourself and those who allow you too keep walking in darkness and not follow the ways of the Lord thats on them.. that between them n the Lord..
You like many have been deceived and are happy with it.. everything is written there is no grey area.. as i see it you allow the rape the Sodomy the murder and the stealing from other with the ignorance of your ways..
I pray for the Lords children not those of the World like my Master does..
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.”
May the Good Lord rebuke and allow you to be broken so that He may Heal you and bring you into His fold..
Only One can Help you but apparently your too busy to spend time and allow Him to..
No one can help you with that but you
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Perhaps these protestors know more about the Bible than this author, who can say for sure???
“I was a stranger and you took me in” Matthew 25 –Jesus
“Cursed is the one who perverts the justice due the stranger, the fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!” Deuteronomy19:10
“I will be a swift witness
Against sorcerers,
Against adulterers,
Against perjurers,
Against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans,
And against those who turn away an alien—
Because they do not fear me,
Says the Lord of hosts.” --Malachi3:6
“Execute true justice,
Show mercy and compassion
Everyone to his brother.
Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless,
The alien or the poor.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart
Against his brother.” --Zecharia 7:10, thus says the Lord
“But let justice run down like water,
And righteousness like a mighty stream – Amos 5:24, thus says the Lord
This last verse was oft quoted by Martin Luther King, Sr. Was he just another misguided protestor???
But who amongst us can be truly "objective" Brother Nick, for we all bring our own prejudices, ideologies and life experiences to a situation, and i have prayed for discernment and my discernment is that where there is an Apparent disparity in the Bible, due to my own ignorance and lack of understanding, i am to take Christs teachings as "Gospel". This does not mean i ignore what has been written, just that Christs words and teachings are for me paramount in my application of my Christian faith to my life. As Christ said in Luke 6 : 46 " Why do you call; me lord, Lord and do not the things i've said" and in Matthew 7: "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of mine and doeth them, I will liken him to a wise man that built his house upon a rock", the question is , do the laws of man hold sway over the teachings of Christ?, i believe they most certainly dont, in fact in Matthew 5:10-12 Christ said, " Blessed are those that are persecuted for Righteousness sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when men shall revile you, and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice and be glad for great is your reward in heaven", if we are persecuted and prosecuted for righteousness, for following the will of God then great will be our reward. And its not my will or desires i am trying to fulfill, but the words and teachings of Christ, for his commandments often go against my desires born of my wretched sinfulness, but still i try to follow him. It seems to me what you are saying is, "follow Christs teachings unless they conflict with the laws of man,", how is that building your life and your faith on the firm rock of Christs truth, for as i've posed to you before, in situations where laws are passed by men, evil laws that go against Christs teachings, do you think that when you stand before Christ and he asks you "why didnt you follow my teachings", the answer, "But i would have been breaking the Law Lord" will suffice in your defence?, As Christians our allegiance in ALL things must be to Christ first and foremost, all else is secondary, i do not decide what i should do, other men, by passing laws do not decide what i should do, Christ alone is the deciding factor in how i live my life, and where theres a conflict, even if it means persecution and being reviled, i must follow my lord and Saviours words.
But it does seem right, as ive tried to reason above, i understand its due to my ignorance and lack of understanding, but Christ is the centre of my life and his words and his teachings must be the centre of my life and faith.
My discernment comes from reading Christs words and listening to what i believe is the holy Spirit guiding me, although as ive said before, i baulk at making such a claim, that the Holy Spirit should work through one so wretched as myself, for i know the workings of my mind, the sin in my heart and the things ive done in my past , and i am not "certain" that what i'm doing is right, its what i believe, and that applies to ALL of us, none of us know whats right, we all discern, we all try to understand given our nature and life experiences what Christs words mean to us , and we should ALL have the humility to change when wrong.
As ive said i dont know that what i'm doing is right, i dont know im being guided by the Holy Spirit, i believe i am in some cases, but when Christ says, "Love your Neighbour as yourself, "Treat others as you would want to be treated" and in this instance" When you welcome the stranger you welome me", then in all truth i have only one course of action to follow, for Christs words contain no "ifs or buts", no "but only if the law allows", no " But not if it makes a situation in your opinion worse", no, its just a straightforward commandment, or set of commandments to treat others, especially those in need, with Love and compassion, did the Good Samaritan think before he helped, did he ponder on the consequences of his actions, no he saw the need and acted with compassion for the stranger in need. It is not me saying this should be done, it is Christ, and i, as a follower of My Lord and Saviour have no option but to follow his Commandments and teachings.
I disagree, Jesus does not leave it to us to consider what is right, Jesus gives us the words and teaching on which our lives should be built, and we as his followers must adhere to those commandments, we cannot add or subtract or distort his words because they conflict with out ideology of how things should be rather that what Christ says they should be. He is paramount in our lives and we must follow where he has led regardless of the consequences on our own lives, to lead lives of self denial and sacrifice in the name of Christs Love and Compassion
So if the Government in the US required you to inform on any undocumented immigrant you knew of, knowing if you did they would be sent to ICE detention camps where conditions are totally inhumane, men, women and children detained in little more than concentration camps, would you inform on them brother Nick because thats the Law of the land?, no its clear in both what Christ says about following his teachings and commandments and in Acts 5:29 that our allegiance to the Authorities only runs as far as where that allegiance doesnt conflict with Christs words, and when it does, we MUST obey Christ and accept the consequences with rejoicing ,knowing that "great is our reward in heaven". Or are you saying that the Words of the Apostles are only applicable to the particular situation theyre talking about, so Acts 5:29 is only applicable to the denial of the Apostles to preach the words of Christ, and if you are, where is the biblical reference for that?.
I'm afraid time has caught me up again, but i will return and finish my reply to your post.
With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick
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By taking things out of context and picking bits and pieces to suit your own belief, you convince yourself that this is your calling. Your own words betray you. When asked if the Holy Spirit has guided your actions, your answer is avoidance or silence, because you know that claiming His direction when it’s not true means it’s not from God but from the Devil. Unable to do so, you dissect God’s word to justify your own actions rather than following His will which is what you say you are doing. Correct yourself!
Remember, since we are all flawed, you shouldn’t rely solely on your own reasoning to justify the acts of violence that are happening which is what you are doing or take scripture here and there, excusing those who don't fit, to create a doctrine that fits your own reasoning. You can make any historical analogy to pose a “what if,” as you’ve done, but that doesn’t change what you’re doing or the resulting wrongs that come from it. Burdens as I've stated before I can help you carry, but this cross is yours to carry, because you refuse the help in seeing what is plain to many more than you give credit to in the Body of Christ.
If scripture appears to be conflicting, know that it is not. Ask, praying for guidance with wisdom and if you must wait, then wait upon the Lord Brother Steve no matter how long it takes! He will answer you. Don't be surprised if this isn't your answer that you have received here. After all, haven't you already said that you've taken some advice received from me already?
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We as believers can be objective brother. That is why I included discernment, who we get this by but the Holy Spirit. Oh, don't get me wrong, we may not like what it says, just like taking the entirety of Scripture in context to what we are discussing. Still, with the Holy Spirit, we are able to accept it. Hard to chew on at times I know!
Very true, about doing what Jesus asks, but you can do what He asks in both instances, because in both instances, they are both from Him, by Him, for Him, so that you may know there is no conflict between them. Only when you introduce your own beliefs/thoughts into what is right do you find the conflict.
Answer me this then: Are those in the US Government feeding the hungry? Are they letting in the abused from other countries? Are they housing those who have no place to live? The answer to all of those are yes. Could they be doing better at all of them? Yes, of course, but that doesn't mean because they are not meeting your expectations to the fullness of Jesus' commands, that you are then called to do it for them in spite of what they say! For in truth is anyone perfect in following His commandments? None of us are, but "you" and others like you still decide that we'll take the decision-making process/authority away from whom God gave it to do and do it for them! That brother is WRONG!
What you think God can't handle any of this Himself? That He made the commandments incase the government is derelict in the level of their responsibility? There is civil & personal responsibility, however, when either begins to undermine the other, that is when we start having problems. Which is what we see happening!
I feel for you brother. I truly do. It's hard to know that there is perfection that could be had, but man has decided to go their own way. Can you make anyone believe in Jesus? Oh, if only we could! Then the issues you are trying to fix/correct, would not require anyone's intervention, because all would be like minded! Sadly, that is not the case and trying to fix it outside of Jesus changing acceptance by man, won't fix it either.
For the responsibilities of civil law, and personal law must not conflict if we are going to abide by His Word. Just keep growing in His Word, spreading the Gospel, and know that governance has certain responsibilities, as does each person under said authority. In Christ one can work rightly without conflict to His Word, and guidance because we know it's from Him, and it's His desire for us.
Discernment should come from both the Holy Spirit and God's Word, by which we have an objective standard by which to test everything. For they both work in tandem, which provides us the ability to discern right from almost right. As Charles Spurgeon once said. That is why context is so important, in applying God's Word in our lives. Without the Holy Spirit, that comprehension and ability to apply it in our lives rightly is lacking.
Your opening says it all. Before acting you should know. (heavy sigh) If it requires more time to pray, study, waiting for Holy Spirit guidance, and fuller understanding, then you wait! Patience brother is very much a key! We all want to run before we can even crawl, but it's a process that must be followed, if we are to be successful in running this race set before us.
No, no, no, that's not what I am saying at all! He sets the standards, not by what has always been in you, but by what has been placed in you by His Word, and the Holy Spirit!!! Have you always known before and after being drawn to Jesus, what the right thing to do was/is to do? If you're like me, that would be a resounding no! His Word, and the Holy Spirit have had me grow in knowing who I am now, still imperfect, and changing abet slowly to who He wants me to be! Being aware of my own deficiencies, and some would call sin, allows me to know the things I need to work on. For what I feel/believe is right for me yesterday, is not what is right for me now, nor may it be for me tomorrow! Changing a bit by bit, to who He the Father wants me to be as, His Son Jesus! This does not mean inactivity, and why I mention more than once about growing in His word contextually, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Without which, we can error in the belief/desire for doing what is righteous.
I've already dealt with Acts 5:29 and have shown you that how you are using it is not valid for what is being talked about. No one is stopping you from spreading the Word of God, only identifying your actions as being done that is contrary to what they already have in place and are doing. The issue is that they are not doing it in the way you believe they should be. That makes it your problem not theirs and has nothing to do with what happened in Acts.
Romans 13:1-7
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
Old Testament examples that could be used include, Joseph, Daniel, Nehemiah, Esther, which show God's people often working within pagan systems, seeking justice or mercy where possible, while obeying the laws of the land unless they directly violated core commands like idolatry or the suppression of worship. Which is not the case we are discussing here.
I await your continued responses Brother.
With the Love in Christ Jesus Brother Steve!
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May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdomWe as believers can be objective brother. That is why I included discernment, who we get this by but the Holy Spirit. Oh, don't get me wrong, we may not like what it says, just like taking the entirety of Scripture in context to what we are discussing. Still, with the Holy Spirit, we are able to accept it. Hard to chew on at times I know!
Very true, about doing what Jesus asks, but you can do what He asks in both instances, because in both instances, they are both from Him, by Him, for Him, so that you may know there is no conflict between them. Only when you introduce your own beliefs/thoughts into what is right do you find the conflict.
Answer me this then: Are those in the US Government feeding the hungry? Are they letting in the abused from other countries? Are they housing those who have no place to live? The answer to all of those are yes. Could they be doing better at all of them? Yes, of course, but that doesn't mean because they are not meeting your expectations to the fullness of Jesus' commands, that you are then called to do it for them in spite of what they say! For in truth is anyone perfect in following His commandments? None of us are, but "you" and others like you still decide that we'll take the decision-making process/authority away from whom God gave it to do and do it for them! That brother is WRONG!
What you think God can't handle any of this Himself? That He made the commandments incase the government is derelict in the level of their responsibility? There is civil & personal responsibility, however, when either begins to undermine the other, that is when we start having problems. Which is what we see happening!
I feel for you brother. I truly do. It's hard to know that there is perfection that could be had, but man has decided to go their own way. Can you make anyone believe in Jesus? Oh, if only we could! Then the issues you are trying to fix/correct, would not require anyone's intervention, because all would be like minded! Sadly, that is not the case and trying to fix it outside of Jesus changing acceptance by man, won't fix it either.
For the responsibilities of civil law, and personal law must not conflict if we are going to abide by His Word. Just keep growing in His Word, spreading the Gospel, and know that governance has certain responsibilities, as does each person under said authority. In Christ one can work rightly without conflict to His Word, and guidance because we know it's from Him, and it's His desire for us.
Discernment should come from both the Holy Spirit and God's Word, by which we have an objective standard by which to test everything. For they both work in tandem, which provides us the ability to discern right from almost right. As Charles Spurgeon once said. That is why context is so important, in applying God's Word in our lives. Without the Holy Spirit, that comprehension and ability to apply it in our lives rightly is lacking.
Your opening says it all. Before acting you should know. (heavy sigh) If it requires more time to pray, study, waiting for Holy Spirit guidance, and fuller understanding, then you wait! Patience brother is very much a key! We all want to run before we can even crawl, but it's a process that must be followed, if we are to be successful in running this race set before us.
No, no, no, that's not what I am saying at all! He sets the standards, not by what has always been in you, but by what has been placed in you by His Word, and the Holy Spirit!!! Have you always known before and after being drawn to Jesus, what the right thing to do was/is to do? If you're like me, that would be a resounding no! His Word, and the Holy Spirit have had me grow in knowing who I am now, still imperfect, and changing abet slowly to who He wants me to be! Being aware of my own deficiencies, and some would call sin, allows me to know the things I need to work on. For what I feel/believe is right for me yesterday, is not what is right for me now, nor may it be for me tomorrow! Changing a bit by bit, to who He the Father wants me to be as, His Son Jesus! This does not mean inactivity, and why I mention more than once about growing in His word contextually, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Without which, we can error in the belief/desire for doing what is righteous.
I've already dealt with Acts 5:29 and have shown you that how you are using it is not valid for what is being talked about. No one is stopping you from spreading the Word of God, only identifying your actions as being done that is contrary to what they already have in place and are doing. The issue is that they are not doing it in the way you believe they should be. That makes it your problem not theirs and has nothing to do with what happened in Acts.
Romans 13:1-7
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
Old Testament examples that could be used include, Joseph, Daniel, Nehemiah, Esther, which show God's people often working within pagan systems, seeking justice or mercy where possible, while obeying the laws of the land unless they directly violated core commands like idolatry or the suppression of worship. Which is not the case we are discussing here.
I await your continued responses Brother.
With the Love in Christ Jesus Brother Steve!
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Before I talk about discernment because I'm a big believer in that, I want to talk about something is an observation of the scripture. That is that we Christians have a really bad habit of reading into the scripture what we think it says versus what is written.
Let me give you an example. It states in the scripture that the crowds were crowding Around Jesus. There were many people around Jesus who needed healing, many hundreds Maybe, and yet only for one instance say in the scripture the power went out of him to one particular woman.
What I'm trying to note here is the fact that there were possibly hundreds of people needing healing and yet the power never went out of him for that, was Jesus then deliberately holding back the healing that he could have done been doing? I think what Jesus is showing us, is it is God that chooses who receives the healing. Basically not everybody does.
So when we make a judgment maybe to the USA saying they aren't doing their fair share of healing everybody, it should be more in the concept that they are doing what they can do, maybe. But God is allowing those who do the work to do it. And if they choose not to do it that's on them. It's not a thing about the government, it's more of a thing about the individuals that are involved with it.
Christianity is not about a particular Church. It's not about the Catholic church is not about the Baptist Church it is about the individuals that are within the churches that make up the "CHURCH". That make up the children of God.
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In regards to discernment. I feel it is one of the biggest things lacking in many Church groups. It is probably one of the worst areas that Christianity has literally overlooked.
I see it often in many things, the discernment to say prayers before breakfast, to see your morning prayers when you get up in the morning. To understand that these things are really important. Just the normal little details and why we need to do this. And it is reflective within the communities of faith.
I was invited to go to a church meeting, and the one thing that I saw seriously lacking, was discernment. Understanding when the Holy Spirit is working and understanding when the Holy Spirit is not working. And oddly enough, this was a group that bases itself with the spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit. What is worse is this isn't the only group based with the spiritual gifts the Holy Spirit that is this way. Many of them are. And pride has crept into these groups.
I've said this in the past a number of times, there are some people obviously that are blessed with good knowledge on the use of the gifts right off the bat. But the vast majority of us have to keep working on learning how to use the gifts, and we just can't learn these things overnight. It is like any other type of specialized gift. Just like learning how to become a carpenter it takes practice. And we need to practice our discernment
I have already answered your question to me about whether i believe the Holy Spirit guides my actions, but here it is again " Many thanks for that reply Brother Nick, you raise so many issues that i need to Pray and Reflect on what youve said, i'll just say on the issue of Guidance by the Holy Spirit, i find it hard to acknowledge that i may indeed be guided by the Holy Spirit, being the wretched sinner that i am, but there are times when i believe i feel his presence, not in the fact that he talks to me, but that sometimes things fall into place, sometimes when i come to reply its almost as if my words are spoken for me, they just tumble out on the page, truth is i dont know if i am guided by the holy Spirit and perhaps thats a good thing, for if you believe yourself "chosen", then that can lead to an intolerance of others opinions and an arrogance of the righteousness of your cause, so perhaps its better that i just feel that sometimes his presence is there with me, for i believe strongly that we must have an open mind when it comes to our faith and the application of that faith to our lives and always be willing to change if our reasoning is shown to be at fault, for i believe humility is a virtue we should ALL possess"........ and how have i "taken things out of context and picked bits and pieces to suit my own beliefs", when ive tried to quote what i believe are Christs teachings relevant to the topic we're discussing,? and explained why, perhaps not to your liking, why i believe what i do, i have tried to answer honestly and my intention is not to deceive or "cherry pick" as others accuse me of doing, we disagree on this issue Brother Nick but i do not doubt the sincerity of your belief, just that you are wrong,........ and it is not " my calling" that i am putting forward, but what i genuinely believe to be the teachings of Christ and how they should be applied in ouir lives. I have said before there are many things that Christ asks of his followers that i find hard to accept, his teachings on pacifism and worldly possessions being amongst them, but i dont twist and Dissect gods word to suit my actions, but accept Christs teachings for what they are and try my best to follow them knowing that as a wretched sinner i fail miserably in so doing.
But i dont rely on my reasoning to justify any acts of violence that may occur by my trying to follow what i believe are Christ teachings Brother Nick, i have given examples from Rwanda and the DRC that 30 years after the events still haunt me as well as other examples from my personal life,but Christ never said " Follow my teachings unless you think by so doing the consequences will be detrimental to others", none of us know what might or might not be the consequences of our actions, alls we are commanded to do is to act with Love, Compassion and Justice to the suffering we see before us and if there are bad consequences because of what we've done then we must try to deal with that as well. Could i ask you a question Brother Nick, in relation to immigration and Asylum seekers, do you ever consider what may be the effect on those that are either prevented from seeking refuge in the US or who are deported back to their country of origin because of the harsh immigration laws currently being implemented in the US. Or of the hundreds, possibly thousands who are forced to use dangerous routes or human Traffickers because Border policies prevent them from using established routes?, Christ said we must "Welcome the Stranger", and when we do, we in fact welcome him, and when we turn the Stranger away, we turn him away, how many Christs are you prepared to turn away before Christ turns away from you?, or do you think that what Christ meant to say was " welcome the Stranger, unless the Law of the Land says otherwise",
I have indeed taken advice from you already brother Nick, and will do so again if i believe that what youre saying is right, for as ive said many times before, we must ALL be humble enough to accept that we may indeed be wrong and willing to change if thats the case. And i have prayed asking for guidance, and the guidance i have received is that where Scripture appears to be conflicting it is down to my own lack of understanding and ignorance and that in ALL cases as a professed follower of Christ and a belief that he is my Lord and Saviour i must follow his teachings and commandments.If scripture appears to be conflicting, know that it is not. Ask, praying for guidance with wisdom and if you must wait, then wait upon the Lord Brother Steve no matter how long it takes! He will answer you. Don't be surprised if this isn't your answer that you have received here. After all, haven't you already said that you've taken some advice received from me already?
On the question of the application of Acts 5:29 i offer this Brother Nick, see what you think
"What is the meaning of Acts 5:29?
But Peter and the other apostles replied
• The council had strictly charged the apostles not to teach in Jesus’ name (Acts 5:27-28), yet Peter speaks for the entire group, showing united conviction just as in Acts 4:19-20.
• Their response springs from being “filled with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 4:31), granting courage that mirrors Jesus’ promise in Luke 12:11-12.
• The scene echoes earlier moments when God’s servants respectfully addressed earthly powers while standing firm for truth, such as Joseph before Pharaoh (Genesis 41:16) and Moses before Pharaoh (Exodus 5:1).
We must obey God
• “We must” signals a non-negotiable duty. The apostles recognize God as supreme Lawgiver, consistent with Deuteronomy 6:5 and John 14:15.
• Obedience to God had just been demonstrated: an angel of the Lord freed them from prison and told them to preach (Acts 5:19-20). Ignoring that command would constitute direct rebellion against the very One who saved them.
• Throughout Scripture, faithful obedience precedes divine power—see 1 Samuel 15:22; Hebrews 11:8; Matthew 28:19-20.
rather than men.
• Scripture affirms submission to governing authorities (Romans 13:1; 1 Peter 2:13), yet places God’s will at the highest level when commands collide.
• Biblical examples of godly civil disobedience:
– The Hebrew midwives spared infant boys despite Pharaoh’s edict (Exodus 1:17).
– Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused to worship the image (Daniel 3:16-18).
– Daniel continued praying even when forbidden (Daniel 6:10).
• The apostles choose potential punishment over silence, aligning with Jesus’ words in Matthew 10:32 and the prophetic call in Isaiah 51:7-8 to fear God more than human hostility.
• Their stance foreshadows later Christian endurance under persecution (Revelation 2:10) and offers a pattern for believers facing conflicting directives today.
summary
Acts 5:29 declares, “We must obey God rather than men.” The verse records the apostles’ unified, Spirit-empowered answer to human authorities. They affirm that divine commands outrank human edicts, echoing a consistent biblical theme. While honoring rightful authority, believers ultimately answer to the Lord, choosing unwavering obedience to His revealed will even when it brings earthly opposition."
With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick
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Your words matter not because they are based on lies, but i will still pray that Christ will open your eyes, unblock your ears and enter your heart and soften it with his Love, Compassion and humility, for you are indeed in dire need of all three.
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@Rad i want you to understand i don't turn from you in anger or because i am mad or hold any hard feelings i turn from you and walk away in sorrow @Rad and i will cry out to the Lord that IF it is in His Will to please bring you into alignment with Him @Rad i really hope you too fall on your knees and cry for the Light to come and shine on you to bring you to the Lord as a child and allow Him and Him alone lead you and to be your strength and comfort because once you do Trust Him all that guilt that you said ya feel in the talks that took place here on talk Jesus that feeling that conviction will go away see @Rad you don't even understand when the Holy Spirit is convicting(idk if that spelled right smh) you..
Understand this im not a nice person Lord is helping me with that but the one i was at This point if i was still her id help you hurry yourself to hell instead of praying for ya..
Sadly i have learned my limitations i have been taught that lesson n that is a hard one for me i cant save you just like i cant save my daughter..i cant even save myself..
I hope you find the Light @Rad
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Understand this im not a nice person Lord is helping me with that but the one i was at This point if i was still her id help you hurry yourself to hell instead of praying for ya..
Sadly i have learned my limitations i have been taught that lesson n that is a hard one for me i cant save you just like i cant save my daughter..i cant even save myself..
I hope you find the Light @Rad
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When I say unto the wicked, ‘Thou shalt surely die,’ and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way to save his life, the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Personally i dont wanna die i need the Lord why i do what the Lord tells me too be quite frank im too afraid to play in Abbas face dont get it twisted..
Im j.s.
All His children have a responsibility im j.s.
Hope alls well yall
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Personally i dont wanna die i need the Lord why i do what the Lord tells me too be quite frank im too afraid to play in Abbas face dont get it twisted..
Im j.s.
All His children have a responsibility im j.s.
Hope alls well yall
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One of my favorite things the Lord Tells His children
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. See we can go in any time is this wonderful it just up to us how long we stay..
He always always got His arms stretched out for His children to rest in Him
Im j.s.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. See we can go in any time is this wonderful it just up to us how long we stay..
He always always got His arms stretched out for His children to rest in Him
Im j.s.
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Yes, you did, but I guess you're a little backlogged to my responses to you. I acknowledged your words in a later post.
Sure, I'll answer your question, but it will repeat something that I address to you in a later post and one which you'll probably get to in time. lol
However, since you bring it up now, I'll repeat that portion to you. Which you are welcome to not have to answer the questions posed, because you'll be coming across them again, all to soon! Not that they actually require answers.
Anyway, here goes.Answer me this then: Are those in the US Government feeding the hungry? Are they letting in the abused from other countries? Are they housing those who have no place to live? The answer to all of those are yes. Could they be doing better at all of them? Yes, of course, but that doesn't mean because they are not meeting your expectations to the fullness of Jesus' commands, that you are then called to do it for them in spite of what they say! For in truth is anyone perfect in following His commandments? None of us are, but "you" and others like you still decide that we'll take the decision-making process/authority away from whom God gave it to do and do it for them! That brother is WRONG!
In addition to what I just copied for you, I would add, that it's not the government's fault that people heading towards the border, uninvited are going through experiences that no one should have to go through. The fault goes to the feet of those, who are facilitating or even promoting that these people head to these borders. Even to the point of giving them the resources to do so, all the while knowing the trials they will go through, and that they will be stopped by the government. So, don't put it at the feet of the government, but keep it at the feet of those who are telling these misguided ones to do whatever is necessary to keep moving forward.
I guess I really should copy the part of the post that follows the one you are quoting from, that addresses what you are asking/putting forward here. I did copy a part of it above but more of it would be appropriate to what you have asked here since it addresses those very things.
I'll have to consider how to rightly do this, that it doesn't confuse the issue too much, when you finally do get to reading/reply to those other posts!
I've already dealt with Acts 5:29 and have shown you that how you are using it is not valid for what is being talked about. No one is stopping you from spreading the Word of God, only identifying your actions as being done that is contrary to what they already have in place and are doing. The issue is that they are not doing it in the way you believe they should be. That makes it your problem not theirs and has nothing to do with what happened in Acts.
Romans 13:1-7
1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
Old Testament examples that could be used include, Joseph, Daniel, Nehemiah, Esther, which show God's people often working within pagan systems, seeking justice or mercy where possible, while obeying the laws of the land unless they directly violated core commands like idolatry or the suppression of worship. Which is not the case we are discussing here.
As you can see, I've considered these other instances in scripture, because though all authority is given by God, it doesn't necessarily mean that God's will is being done. So, the question becomes, what do Godly, men & women do, when what the government they fall under is not following the Word of God? The problem, you have is that the government in the USA is doing the things you want done, but I repeat, just not at the level you believe they should be doing it in. Which brings to mind, if more caution had been used in how the issues with Rwanda that you mention were to be solved, could it have turned out differently? If you could go back in time, what would you have done differently to come up with a different outcome?
We cannot know for certain what the ideal solution would have been so that things turned out well for everyone involved. What I do know is that the approach you believe is necessary right now is not working. By overriding the government’s efforts and the reasons behind them, you are not only failing to meet your own expectations, but you are also straining existing laws. This is pushing the government to introduce even stricter new regulations than those in place when you began.
The negative consequences—both practical and human—are becoming evident to the immigrants & citizens of the country by the arrests, crime, death, etc. Moving forward, you will have to decide how to proceed in a way that avoids repeating the regrets you carry today from the past. This is not something I can decide for you on how to do. (brotherly hug and prayers heading heavenward on your behalf)
With the Love in Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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