That is how you see it Brother Steve?
Objectivity, with discernment is what it is about and not taking one position over another which is what you are doing and have done with the word of God. As if the words of Jesus, hold sway over those given to us by the Apostles He gave authority to, and the Word through them by the Holy Spirit. You have placed yourself above the authority given to the rulers in government by God, which you excuse because according to your own desires/viewpoints that is what Jesus is calling us to do. Which it is not. What it is in truth is you placing yourself in the position to be the deciding factor in what you do, and not the Word of God. That is wrong!
But who amongst us can be truly "objective" Brother Nick, for we all bring our own prejudices, ideologies and life experiences to a situation, and i have prayed for discernment and my discernment is that where there is an Apparent disparity in the Bible, due to my own ignorance and lack of understanding, i am to take Christs teachings as "Gospel". This does not mean i ignore what has been written, just that Christs words and teachings are for me paramount in my application of my Christian faith to my life. As Christ said in Luke 6 : 46 " Why do you call; me lord, Lord and do not the things i've said" and in Matthew 7: "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of mine and doeth them, I will liken him to a wise man that built his house upon a rock", the question is , do the laws of man hold sway over the teachings of Christ?, i believe they most certainly dont, in fact in Matthew 5:10-12 Christ said, " Blessed are those that are persecuted for Righteousness sake, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when men shall revile you, and persecute you and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice and be glad for great is your reward in heaven", if we are persecuted and prosecuted for righteousness, for following the will of God then great will be our reward. And its not my will or desires i am trying to fulfill, but the words and teachings of Christ, for his commandments often go against my desires born of my wretched sinfulness, but still i try to follow him. It seems to me what you are saying is, "follow Christs teachings unless they conflict with the laws of man,", how is that building your life and your faith on the firm rock of Christs truth, for as i've posed to you before, in situations where laws are passed by men, evil laws that go against Christs teachings, do you think that when you stand before Christ and he asks you "why didnt you follow my teachings", the answer, "But i would have been breaking the Law Lord" will suffice in your defence?, As Christians our allegiance in ALL things must be to Christ first and foremost, all else is secondary, i do not decide what i should do, other men, by passing laws do not decide what i should do, Christ alone is the deciding factor in how i live my life, and where theres a conflict, even if it means persecution and being reviled, i must follow my lord and Saviours words.
You excuse it by stating that is what Jesus said I should do, when in other places in scripture your actions go against what Jesus through His Apostles said you should not do. Someone is wrong here and clearly it is not God. So, to satisfy your own leanings/cravings you say, "I'm following the commands of Jesus", which supersedes the Words of Jesus given to the Apostles in other places. Doesn't seem right, does it? It's not.
But it does seem right, as ive tried to reason above, i understand its due to my ignorance and lack of understanding, but Christ is the centre of my life and his words and his teachings must be the centre of my life and faith.
If you have the discernment to do what is right all the time, which you already know is not the case, how are you certain of your own actions here as being correct?
My discernment comes from reading Christs words and listening to what i believe is the holy Spirit guiding me, although as ive said before, i baulk at making such a claim, that the Holy Spirit should work through one so wretched as myself, for i know the workings of my mind, the sin in my heart and the things ive done in my past , and i am not "certain" that what i'm doing is right, its what i believe, and that applies to ALL of us, none of us know whats right, we all discern, we all try to understand given our nature and life experiences what Christs words mean to us , and we should ALL have the humility to change when wrong.
You in truth can't, if you are not guided by the Holy Spirit, and do not consider the entirety of what is said in God's Word. Not by excusing the fruit of your own actions, which as has been shown to you, is not only a determent to those you have facilitated by your actions to come across the US Border, but also, to the citizenry of those who have been assaulted, raped, murdered by those you believe are better served by being in the US instead of their own countries. No, it is not God telling you to do this, but "YOU" telling yourself that this is what should be done. That type of thinking is Anathema to all that is Holy.
As ive said i dont know that what i'm doing is right, i dont know im being guided by the Holy Spirit, i believe i am in some cases, but when Christ says, "Love your Neighbour as yourself, "Treat others as you would want to be treated" and in this instance" When you welcome the stranger you welome me", then in all truth i have only one course of action to follow, for Christs words contain no "ifs or buts", no "but only if the law allows", no " But not if it makes a situation in your opinion worse", no, its just a straightforward commandment, or set of commandments to treat others, especially those in need, with Love and compassion, did the Good Samaritan think before he helped, did he ponder on the consequences of his actions, no he saw the need and acted with compassion for the stranger in need. It is not me saying this should be done, it is Christ, and i, as a follower of My Lord and Saviour have no option but to follow his Commandments and teachings.
Know, that Jesus put it back in your court to consider what is right by standards that in Him/by Him through the Holy Spirit should be considered by the Word of God in its entirety to the acts you employ.
I disagree, Jesus does not leave it to us to consider what is right, Jesus gives us the words and teaching on which our lives should be built, and we as his followers must adhere to those commandments, we cannot add or subtract or distort his words because they conflict with out ideology of how things should be rather that what Christ says they should be. He is paramount in our lives and we must follow where he has led regardless of the consequences on our own lives, to lead lives of self denial and sacrifice in the name of Christs Love and Compassion
This you have not done, because if you had it would not conflict with the other parts of scripture shown you. You should follow what the law or government requires, rather than interpreting the actions of the Apostles in entirely different circumstances. The government isn’t preventing you from sharing the Gospel, unlike the authorities who tried to silence the Apostles. Instead, you’re taking what happened then and applying it to something completely different—something the government says you shouldn’t do, or that those you support also shouldn’t be doing for it is against the laws in place and not arbitrary.
So if the Government in the US required you to inform on any undocumented immigrant you knew of, knowing if you did they would be sent to ICE detention camps where conditions are totally inhumane, men, women and children detained in little more than concentration camps, would you inform on them brother Nick because thats the Law of the land?, no its clear in both what Christ says about following his teachings and commandments and in Acts 5:29 that our allegiance to the Authorities only runs as far as where that allegiance doesnt conflict with Christs words, and when it does, we MUST obey Christ and accept the consequences with rejoicing ,knowing that "great is our reward in heaven". Or are you saying that the Words of the Apostles are only applicable to the particular situation theyre talking about, so Acts 5:29 is only applicable to the denial of the Apostles to preach the words of Christ, and if you are, where is the biblical reference for that?.
I'm afraid time has caught me up again, but i will return and finish my reply to your post.
With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick
Steve
By taking things out of context and picking bits and pieces to suit your own belief, you convince yourself that this is your calling. Your own words betray you. When asked if the Holy Spirit has guided your actions, your answer is avoidance or silence, because you know that claiming His direction when it’s not true means it’s not from God but from the Devil. Unable to do so, you dissect God’s word to justify your own actions rather than following His will which is what you say you are doing. Correct yourself!
Remember, since we are all flawed, you shouldn’t rely solely on your own reasoning to justify the acts of violence that are happening which is what you are doing or take scripture here and there, excusing those who don't fit, to create a doctrine that fits your own reasoning. You can make any historical analogy to pose a “what if,” as you’ve done, but that doesn’t change what you’re doing or the resulting wrongs that come from it. Burdens as I've stated before I can help you carry, but this cross is yours to carry, because you refuse the help in seeing what is plain to many more than you give credit to in the Body of Christ.
If scripture appears to be conflicting, know that it is not. Ask, praying for guidance with wisdom and if you must wait, then wait upon the Lord Brother Steve no matter how long it takes! He will answer you. Don't be surprised if this isn't your answer that you have received here. After all, haven't you already said that you've taken some advice received from me already?
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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