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Do the Protesters even know what they are Protesting ( Minneapolis).

How can one claim to Love what they can not see yet cant even see those who need love that are in their own area..
Our Love must encompass ALL those in need regardless of race, colour, nationality nor religion, Christs commandments to " love your neighbour as yourself" and "Treating others as youd want to be treated" had no limitations, no conditions, but was a universal call to Justice, Love and compassion.
Throwing money at man is not Love it is not seed planting it dangerous for those depending on him to do good with it n it shows laziness on the part of the one throwing it at them in hopes they will do right by them..
When you give money to those in need you are not "throwing money", you are providing food, you are providing shelter, you are providing clean water, you are providing Health care, you are providing welcome for the Stranger, you are providing Aid for the prisoner, this is not just bits of paper but practical help, an indicator of our Love and Compassion for those in need,, and its not just what we give, its what we have left after we've given that is the true indicator of our generosity, as Christ portrayed in the story of "The Widows Mite",
Im j.s.

Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord."
Do not put your faith in man, but put your faith in Christ and follow his Teachings, only then will you build your faith on the solid rock of his truth
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May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Well I got my information from listening to Facebook news and listening to YouTube news and listening to oan and a bunch of other news sources

I wouldn't consider YouTube news and Facebook news to be exactly conservative news. And yet on Facebook where they were out there videotaping the protesters and the one poster telling the policeman I make more money than you do and then another protester saying I make this much money which is like about a hundred thousand dollars a year of protesting I'm like holy cow maybe I'm in the wrong line of work
I wouldnt put too much trust in YouTube Bill, anyone can dress up and portray themselves as someone theyre not, without independent corroboration its just heresay, as for FB, i'd be interested to see the articles on Protesters being paid.
 
Well, you say you arent political, yet you seem to constantly support and believe the propaganda.
How am i "constantly supporting and believing the propaganda" Brad, i'm just asking you for your sources as to the claims youre making about political violence being largely on the left of US politics, the sources i quoted saying that there has been a rise in left wing violence but that historically the right has been the most violent were all from a Google search, do you contest them?, if so i would be interested to see your evidence for doing so.
The only right leaning violence that I have heard of for all my life was alot of people associated with the right joining the military and then fought in wars, where liberals tend to avoid the military with the exception of the officer ranks, because they prefer telling other people to kill others instead of doing so themselves. I assume it wont be worthwhile asking you to bring to light some examples of right wing violence.
Heres a selection of results from my Googling Right wing violence in the US, see what you think, What are the most notable examples of right-wing viole... Right-Wing Extremist Terrorism in the United States Report: All 25 U.S. extremism-related murders last year were linked to right-wing extremists Right-wing extremist violence is more frequent and more deadly than left-wing violence − what the data shows
I did think of one right wing violent guy though, the guy who distrusted the government (like you) so much, that he send a vehicle filled with explosives to destroy a federal building in Oklahoma.
Its not so much that i "distrust" the Government, but i see ALL Governments as fundamentally under the control of Satan and basically evil in their nature as they are ALL driven in the main by Greed, selfishness and a lust for power.
 
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Our Love must encompass ALL those in need regardless of race, colour, nationality nor religion, Christs commandments to " love your neighbour as yourself" and "Treating others as youd want to be treated" had no limitations, no conditions, but was a universal call to Justice, Love and compassion.

When you give money to those in need you are not "throwing money", you are providing food, you are providing shelter, you are providing clean water, you are providing Health care, you are providing welcome for the Stranger, you are providing Aid for the prisoner, this is not just bits of paper but practical help, an indicator of our Love and Compassion for those in need,, and its not just what we give, its what we have left after we've given that is the true indicator of our generosity, as Christ portrayed in the story of "The Widows Mite",

Do not put your faith in man, but put your faith in Christ and follow his Teachings, only then will you build your faith on the solid rock of his truth
@Rad im not going to read what ever it is you wrote like i said only one can cure your blindness n you dont want to go to Him theres nothing no one can do for you..

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How am i "constantly supporting and believing the propaganda" Brad, i'm just asking you for your sources as to the claims youre making about political violence being largely on the left of US politics, the sources i quoted saying that there has been a rise in left wing violence but that historically the right has been the most violent were all from a Google search, do you contest them?, if so i would be interested to see your evidence for doing so.

Heres a selection of results from my Googling Right wing violence in the US, see what you think, What are the most notable examples of right-wing viole... Right-Wing Extremist Terrorism in the United States Report: All 25 U.S. extremism-related murders last year were linked to right-wing extremists Right-wing extremist violence is more frequent and more deadly than left-wing violence − what the data shows

Its not so much that i "distrust" the Government, but i see ALL Governments as fundamentally under the control of Satan and basically evil in their nature as they are ALL driven in the main by Greed, selfishness and a lust for power.
Like Twistie says, only God can open your eyes. Honestly, I am not unsure that you are just some AI bot sent to sow dissension here. Christianity is constantly under attack all over the world, and the enemy will target sites like this for that purpose alone.
 
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@Rad im not going to read what ever it is you wrote like i said only one can cure your blindness n you dont want to go to Him theres nothing no one can do for you..

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Thats your choice, i think its a shame youre ending the discussion because i too believe you are "walking in Darkness" and need your "blindness" cured, but theres the difference between the two of us, i "believe" you are walking in darkness, you profess to "know" that i am, and its that level of certainty on your part that leads to what i see as a dogmatic and unyielding approach in your attitude. I'm here to discuss my faith, my beliefs and what i think it means to be a follower of Christ and how we put that into practice in our lives. You seem to think that you "know" what it means to be a follower of Christ and that anyone that disagrees with you is wrong and it my case you not only believe that im "walking in darkness" but that i'm being guided by an evil spirit. And theres another big difference between us, whereas i try to base my thoughts and actions on the teachings and commandments of Christ and always try to reference my view with quotes from the Gospels in support of my beliefs, you on the other hand quote passages without any references and ;little relevance to the discussion at hand. I've tried to have you answer specifically where you believe i'm wrong but to no avail, and now you refuse to continue the discussion. So what am i to make of your position, and more importantly what do others make of your position , and what of the thousands of visitors who visit this site, perhaps many looking for answers or guidance as to the issues they face in trying to follow their Lord and Saviour.

I truly believe you have to bring some humility into your faith, accept the fact that it is just belief and that you may indeed be wrong and not everyone that disagrees with you is "walking in Darkness" and being guided by "evil Spirits". Study Christs words and his teachings, build your faith on the solid rock of his truth and understand that we are ALL fallible, sinful wretches living in an evil and suffering world, that NONE of us has the complete truth of Christs words and teachings and that we ALL can benefit from listening to others, discussing our beliefs and where we are wrong, admit that and change our views accordingly.
 
Like Twistie says, only God can open your eyes. Honestly, I am not unsure that you are just some AI bot sent to sow dissension here. Christianity is constantly under attack all over the world, and the enemy will target sites like this for that purpose alone.
But you see Brad, i do believe my eyes have been opened, for sure i admit my sinful nature and my lack of understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ, but i seek the truth, i try to base my actions on Christs words and teachings and where others show me to be wrong then i change my views accordingly, and isnt that one of the reasons most of us are here for, although it seems that some feel they dont have the need to discuss but already have the "Truth" and are just here to impart it to others, A position f feel shows an arrogance and a complete lack of humility totally in opposition to Christs teachings. The Beatitudes in Matthew 5 : 1 -16 sum up the "state of Mind" of a Christian, a follower of Christ, "poor in Spirit, Meek, Merciful, pure in Heart, and hungering for Righteousness", and while i would never claim to have achieved these virtues , i try to take them into account in all of my Thoughts and actions.

As for my being an "AI bot sent to sow dissension here", well for one, i ve been a member of these forums since 2006, i dont think AI Bots were around at that time, and two, is that how it works, if someone disagrees with you and the prevailing train of thought then they are "AI bots sowing dissension", you are aware that Christ was persecuted and crucified for showing "Dissension" to the authorities and prevailing thought and that he said in Matthew 10: 34-36 " 34;“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.", he spoke of the first being last and the last first and many that profess to know him he will turn away from, Matthew 7: 21-24, his words of opposition and dissension are loud and clear throughout his teachings,to the rich and powerful and those that were assured of their own Righteousness and faith. You really need to take on a little humility, to understand that you may just be wrong, but if you believe that you are indeed right then show me where i'm wrong and not just accuse me of being an "AI bot here to sow dissent".

And what is the "dissent" i'm accused of, in this case with you its asking for references showing that the Right in US politics are more violent than the left, of showing the results of a google search that showed although left wing violence is on the rise the right has historically always been the more violent faction , and when you said that I'd probably not give you examples of right wing violence in the US i posted the results of another Google search, without comment, and left it up to you to decide. For this i was labelled as "constantly supporting and believing propaganda" and my claim to be non political but "Christ centred" hard to believe.

So i ask again, give me your evidence for those statements Brad, if you dispute the findings of my Google searches then tell me where, and tell me anything that ive said that makes me a follower of propaganda and in your view probably on the left of politics?, because i try to base ALL of my actions and words on Christs teachings, yes i fail miserably, because thats the wretched sinner that i am, but i sincerely do try.
 
The following is the complete statement of what I said.

Clearer now on what I said and the purpose for what I said? :)

As far as the rest, again, it depends on how you interpret His words within the context of what He was saying, and to whom He was saying it to. Which of course I've mentioned previously, and had gotten us nowhere, and why it was not part of what I wrote in this particular post.



I could, but if I can see them, shouldn't you be able to as well, and if not, shouldn't you be asking the one who presented their own observations to you? Better the actual source who sees x,y,z in you and your actions, then someone who does not see malice in what you are doing but also sees the negative consequences of your actions as you attempt to apply the Lord's words in your life. For it appears that they are impacting negatively everyone else but you. In thinking what our sister has said about you, if you were to see the resulting actions in others, won't you, and don't you see it as darkness because they haven't followed His words regardless of the results/impact on others? (Selah)



We can talk about it and we have, and notice we still are :) however, it still will never negate the actual battle that we are involved in. Consideration must be given to the powers & principalities that you will find spoken up in Ephesians 6 which our Sister in Christ is very aware of.

Your use of doing as to others, tells me that the most important thing in your life is what you are sharing to help others in. I've already told you about the most important thing in my life, and what it is that I try to share, and believe that we all should be doing above all else. Sadly, I fail at it more often than I’d like, so I don’t hold it against you or anyone else for doing what one believes is right through ones understanding of the word of God, even if the results are less than ideal.

As always Brother Steve.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Many thanks for that considered and thoughtful reply Brother Nick, i am prayerfully thinking of what youve said and will reply shortly. I didnt want you to think i was ignoring your comments. :)

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve
 
But you see Brad, i do believe my eyes have been opened, for sure i admit my sinful nature and my lack of understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ, but i seek the truth, i try to base my actions on Christs words and teachings and where others show me to be wrong then i change my views accordingly, and isnt that one of the reasons most of us are here for, although it seems that some feel they dont have the need to discuss but already have the "Truth" and are just here to impart it to others, A position f feel shows an arrogance and a complete lack of humility totally in opposition to Christs teachings. The Beatitudes in Matthew 5 : 1 -16 sum up the "state of Mind" of a Christian, a follower of Christ, "poor in Spirit, Meek, Merciful, pure in Heart, and hungering for Righteousness", and while i would never claim to have achieved these virtues , i try to take them into account in all of my Thoughts and actions.

As for my being an "AI bot sent to sow dissension here", well for one, i ve been a member of these forums since 2006, i dont think AI Bots were around at that time, and two, is that how it works, if someone disagrees with you and the prevailing train of thought then they are "AI bots sowing dissension", you are aware that Christ was persecuted and crucified for showing "Dissension" to the authorities and prevailing thought and that he said in Matthew 10: 34-36 " 34;“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.", he spoke of the first being last and the last first and many that profess to know him he will turn away from, Matthew 7: 21-24, his words of opposition and dissension are loud and clear throughout his teachings,to the rich and powerful and those that were assured of their own Righteousness and faith. You really need to take on a little humility, to understand that you may just be wrong, but if you believe that you are indeed right then show me where i'm wrong and not just accuse me of being an "AI bot here to sow dissent".

And what is the "dissent" i'm accused of, in this case with you its asking for references showing that the Right in US politics are more violent than the left, of showing the results of a google search that showed although left wing violence is on the rise the right has historically always been the more violent faction , and when you said that I'd probably not give you examples of right wing violence in the US i posted the results of another Google search, without comment, and left it up to you to decide. For this i was labelled as "constantly supporting and believing propaganda" and my claim to be non political but "Christ centred" hard to believe.

So i ask again, give me your evidence for those statements Brad, if you dispute the findings of my Google searches then tell me where, and tell me anything that ive said that makes me a follower of propaganda and in your view probably on the left of politics?, because i try to base ALL of my actions and words on Christs teachings, yes i fail miserably, because thats the wretched sinner that i am, but i sincerely do try.
Evidence? I assume you have at least average intelligence. Many of us here have explained to you why you are in the wrong, but you stubbornly refuse to admit it. You have found certain aspects of christianity to agreed with your mindset and focus on those aspects in that they support your causes. You ignore other aspects of christianity that dont agree with your mindset. Its a common problem amoung those who "play" with Christianity, no real change in being more like Christ in ALL ways, just in the ways they like or have "been taught" as the most important aspects of christianity. With Christ, you either follow Him with ALL your heart, your mind, and your spirit, or go back to the slop that the world has taught you.
 
But you see Brad, i do believe my eyes have been opened, for sure i admit my sinful nature and my lack of understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ, but i seek the truth, i try to base my actions on Christs words and teachings and where others show me to be wrong then i change my views accordingly, and isnt that one of the reasons most of us are here for, although it seems that some feel they dont have the need to discuss but already have the "Truth" and are just here to impart it to others, A position f feel shows an arrogance and a complete lack of humility totally in opposition to Christs teachings. The Beatitudes in Matthew 5 : 1 -16 sum up the "state of Mind" of a Christian, a follower of Christ, "poor in Spirit, Meek, Merciful, pure in Heart, and hungering for Righteousness", and while i would never claim to have achieved these virtues , i try to take them into account in all of my Thoughts and actions.

As for my being an "AI bot sent to sow dissension here", well for one, i ve been a member of these forums since 2006, i dont think AI Bots were around at that time, and two, is that how it works, if someone disagrees with you and the prevailing train of thought then they are "AI bots sowing dissension", you are aware that Christ was persecuted and crucified for showing "Dissension" to the authorities and prevailing thought and that he said in Matthew 10: 34-36 " 34;“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.", he spoke of the first being last and the last first and many that profess to know him he will turn away from, Matthew 7: 21-24, his words of opposition and dissension are loud and clear throughout his teachings,to the rich and powerful and those that were assured of their own Righteousness and faith. You really need to take on a little humility, to understand that you may just be wrong, but if you believe that you are indeed right then show me where i'm wrong and not just accuse me of being an "AI bot here to sow dissent".

And what is the "dissent" i'm accused of, in this case with you its asking for references showing that the Right in US politics are more violent than the left, of showing the results of a google search that showed although left wing violence is on the rise the right has historically always been the more violent faction , and when you said that I'd probably not give you examples of right wing violence in the US i posted the results of another Google search, without comment, and left it up to you to decide. For this i was labelled as "constantly supporting and believing propaganda" and my claim to be non political but "Christ centred" hard to believe.

So i ask again, give me your evidence for those statements Brad, if you dispute the findings of my Google searches then tell me where, and tell me anything that ive said that makes me a follower of propaganda and in your view probably on the left of politics?, because i try to base ALL of my actions and words on Christs teachings, yes i fail miserably, because thats the wretched sinner that i am, but i sincerely do try.
As for this account being older than ai chat bots... it would be relatively simple to attach an ai chat bot that had been programmed by an atheist to an older account and pretend it was a real person. So that argument is meritless.
 
Thats your choice, i think its a shame youre ending the discussion because i too believe you are "walking in Darkness" and need your "blindness" cured, but theres the difference between the two of us, i "believe" you are walking in darkness, you profess to "know" that i am, and its that level of certainty on your part that leads to what i see as a dogmatic and unyielding approach in your attitude. I'm here to discuss my faith, my beliefs and what i think it means to be a follower of Christ and how we put that into practice in our lives. You seem to think that you "know" what it means to be a follower of Christ and that anyone that disagrees with you is wrong and it my case you not only believe that im "walking in darkness" but that i'm being guided by an evil spirit. And theres another big difference between us, whereas i try to base my thoughts and actions on the teachings and commandments of Christ and always try to reference my view with quotes from the Gospels in support of my beliefs, you on the other hand quote passages without any references and ;little relevance to the discussion at hand. I've tried to have you answer specifically where you believe i'm wrong but to no avail, and now you refuse to continue the discussion. So what am i to make of your position, and more importantly what do others make of your position , and what of the thousands of visitors who visit this site, perhaps many looking for answers or guidance as to the issues they face in trying to follow their Lord and Saviour.

I truly believe you have to bring some humility into your faith, accept the fact that it is just belief and that you may indeed be wrong and not everyone that disagrees with you is "walking in Darkness" and being guided by "evil Spirits". Study Christs words and his teachings, build your faith on the solid rock of his truth and understand that we are ALL fallible, sinful wretches living in an evil and suffering world, that NONE of us has the complete truth of Christs words and teachings and that we ALL can benefit from listening to others, discussing our beliefs and where we are wrong, admit that and change our views accordingly.
 
Many thanks for that considered and thoughtful reply Brother Nick, i am prayerfully thinking of what youve said and will reply shortly. I didnt want you to think i was ignoring your comments. :)

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve
 
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