Do the Protesters even know what they are Protesting ( Minneapolis).

[Twistie]

We are told to obey the Law of the Land if that doesnt conflict with the teachings and commandments of Christ, Acts 5:29, when Christ says to "Feed the Hungry and that when we do we feed him", there are no rules, no conditions, no exceptions, just love and compassion, Matthew 25: 35, and just wher5e did Christ say we are not to be a burden?, did the good samariatn say to the man in need, "You are not to be a burden?, No he saw the suffering and the need and responded with Love and compassion, "Love your Neighbour as yourself" and "Treat others as you'd want to be treated are the bedrock of our faith and to do otherwise is to build your life on the shifting sands of Human Values and not the solid rock of Christs teachings, and just where does Christ say "our own house is taken care of first", in fact in Matthew 5 40-48 Christ says " And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.", Our Love and compassion must encompass ALL equally and there is no room for prejudice based on nation






























We are told to obey the law of the land if that doesnt conflict with the Commandments and teachings of Christ Acts 5:29, and when Christ says "Feed the Hungry" in Matthew 25;35 there are no exceptions, no conditions, and we are told that in feeding the hungry we are feeding christ himself and when we dont feed the hungry then we are rejecting him and will be judged accordingly, and where does Christ say "Dont be a burden", did the Good Samaritan say to the man in need, "Dont be a burden, no he responded with Love and Compassion as we are commanded to do, "Love your neighbour as yourself" and "Treat others as you'd want to be treated", and Christ said exactly the opposite to "make sure your own house is in order", for in Matthew 5 :40-48 he says " And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.", our love and compassion must encompass all regardless of Race, Nationality, religion or colour.

They are not "illegals", they are men, women, children and Babies made in the image of God and deserving of the same Justice, Love and compassion we would give to any other human being. There is no room for prejudice and discrimination in being a follower of Christ, and even if you look on them as "illegals", as some form of enemy, then Christs words in Matthew 5:43-44 should resonate with you " You have heard it said, You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy. But i say, love your enemies, bless them that curse you do good to them that hate youand pray for those that spitefully use you"

They are ALL people in need, and should be deserving of our Love and compassion whether they be, Veterans, Elderly or "Strangers", why do you seek to divide when Christs call to Love and compassion is all encompassing, there should be no distinction into catagories for we are ALL abject sinners and ALL in need of Gods Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness





I have taken in no Strangers" and probably never would, but i give money to organisations working with refugees and the homeless and campaign for their rights as people deserving of my love and Compassion. But my sin in not responding to Christs call to "Welcome the Stranger" does not negate that call, it just shows what a wretched sinner i am in dire need of his Mercy and forgiveness.

And why the emphasis on leaving them alone with your "lil children and elderly", is there a darker reasoning here?.

Yes thats very true, and as Christ said in Matthew 7 20, "wherefore by their fruits you shall know them", and i think you have to reflect just what "fruits" you are showing.

No the living God is not about "Law n Order", where that "Law n Order" is founded on an evil and corrupt system controlled by the Devil. Christ condemned the rich and powerful, those that administered the law and kept "order", he commended the poor who were oppressed by that "Law n order", he spoke of "not bringing Peace but a sword" that would turn one against another and he was crucified by the very same system of "Law n Order" you extoll. No christ turned the "law n Order" of this Evil world on its head, "the first will be last and the last will be first", blessed are the meek, the peacemakers, those that seek the righteousness of God and are persecuted for it, your blind adherence to "law n order" blinds you to the fact that in so doing you are supporting a system underpinned by the Prince of Chaos and darkness himself.

Where does Christ say anything about making our Love and compassion determinant on the actions of others, for if that was the case then we would help no one, for we are ALL miserable wretches in the sight of God, these "illegals" as you call them are people, Good, Bad and indifferent, like the rest of us, ALL groups and classes of people, ALL nationalities and races commit horrendous acts of violence and evil on others, but we are called on to "Love our Neighbour, even if we perceive them as enemies, to treat others as we'd want to be treated and to recognise that we are ALL in need of Gods grace and forgiveness.

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We are told to obey the law of the land if that doesnt conflict with the Commandments and teachings of Christ Acts 5:29, and when Christ says "Feed the Hungry" in Matthew 25;35 there are no exceptions, no conditions, and we are told that in feeding the hungry we are feeding christ himself and when we dont feed the hungry then we are rejecting him and will be judged accordingly, and where does Christ say "Dont be a burden", did the Good Samaritan say to the man in need, "Dont be a burden, no he responded with Love and Compassion as we are commanded to do, "Love your neighbour as yourself" and "Treat others as you'd want to be treated", and Christ said exactly the opposite to "make sure your own house is in order", for in Matthew 5 :40-48 he says " And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.", our love and compassion must encompass all regardless of Race, Nationality, religion or colour.

They are not "illegals", they are men, women, children and Babies made in the image of God and deserving of the same Justice, Love and compassion we would give to any other human being. There is no room for prejudice and discrimination in being a follower of Christ, and even if you look on them as "illegals", as some form of enemy, then Christs words in Matthew 5:43-44 should resonate with you " You have heard it said, You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy. But i say, love your enemies, bless them that curse you do good to them that hate youand pray for those that spitefully use you"

They are ALL people in need, and should be deserving of our Love and compassion whether they be, Veterans, Elderly or "Strangers", why do you seek to divide when Christs call to Love and compassion is all encompassing, there should be no distinction into catagories for we are ALL abject sinners and ALL in need of Gods Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness

I have taken in no Strangers" and probably never would, but i give money to organisations working with refugees and the homeless and campaign for their rights as people deserving of my love and Compassion. But my sin in not responding to Christs call to "Welcome the Stranger" does not negate that call, it just shows what a wretched sinner i am in dire need of his Mercy and forgiveness.

And why the emphasis on leaving them alone with your "lil children and elderly", is there a darker reasoning here?.

Yes thats very true, and as Christ said in Matthew 7 20, "wherefore by their fruits you shall know them", and i think you have to reflect just what "fruits" you are showing.

No the living God is not about "Law n Order", where that "Law n Order" is founded on an evil and corrupt system controlled by the Devil. Christ condemned the rich and powerful, those that administered the law and kept "order", he commended the poor who were oppressed by that "Law n order", he spoke of "not bringing Peace but a sword" that would turn one against another and he was crucified by the very same system of "Law n Order" you extoll. No christ turned the "law n Order" of this Evil world on its head, "the first will be last and the last will be first", blessed are the meek, the peacemakers, those that seek the righteousness of God and are persecuted for it, your blind adherence to "law n order" blinds you to the fact that in so doing you are supporting a system underpinned by the Prince of Chaos and darkness himself.

Where does Christ say anything about making our Love and compassion determinent on the actions of others, for if that was the case then we would help no one, for we are ALL miserable wretches in the sight of God, these "illegals" as you call them are people, Good, Bad and indifferent, like the rest of us, ALL groups and classes of people, ALL nationalities and races commit horrendous acts of violence and evil on others, but we are called on to "Love our Neighbour, even if we perceive them as enemies, to treat others as we'd want to be treated and to recognise that we are ALL in need of Gods grace and forgiveness.


We are indeed ALL Evil!!.

Like i said ya walk with darkness its written they turn Righteousness in to wormwood

You sit comfortably with the darkness yet ya are deceived that it is the Light ya are with..
Seei the Lord while He can still be found stip turning to the crowd n take counsel with the Lord..
One either walks with tye Light or they dance with the devil n you dance with the devil there is no grey area..

U⁠ ⁠´⁠꓃⁠ ⁠`⁠ ⁠U

 

[Rad]

Like i said ya walk with darkness its written they turn Righteousness in to wormwood

You sit comfortably with the darkness yet ya are deceived that it is the Light ya are with..
Seei the Lord while He can still be found stip turning to the crowd n take counsel with the Lord..
One either walks with tye Light or they dance with the devil n you dance with the devil there is no grey area..

U⁠ ⁠´⁠꓃⁠ ⁠`⁠ ⁠U

So where am i "walking in Darkness" and "turning Righteousness into Wormwood", just one or two specific points would suffice, otherwise youre just making general accusations with no evidence to back those accusations up.

 

[Twistie]

So where am i "walking in Darkness" and "turning Righteousness into Wormwood", just one or two specific points would suffice, otherwise youre just making general accusations with no evidence to back those accusations up.

I feel as tho i am talking to my son at the age of 5 when h repeatedly asked the same question over and over in hope if an answer he wanted n once again you turn Righteousness into worm wood..you walk hand in hand with the god of Chaos your whole outlook.. ya want a cure for your blindness? Ya have to submit yourself like a child unto the Lord forget what the world says and allow Him and Him alone to teach and guide until then you will keep running amok in darkness..

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[MedicBravo]

Poly-tics are in almost everything. The Left IS guitly for most of the world's problems and the CC is part of that.
You can't escape it. You can't ignore it.

 

[Brad Huber]

Poly-tics are in almost everything. The Left IS guitly for most of the world's problems and the CC is part of that.
You can't escape it. You can't ignore it.

Liberals were simply a bit more corruptable than conservatives. There is well known conservatives that have taken liberal money to stand against trump. Senate republicans are the main holdup to passing the save act which would make sure that liberals would have a much harder time cheating at the polls. Again I say, stop slaving yourself to conservatives. If you dont make Christ alone your master and depend on the Holy Spirit more so, then you will be disapointed in republicans as well, they can be corrupted as well.

 

[Twistie]

So where am i "walking in Darkness" and "turning Righteousness into Wormwood", just one or two specific points would suffice, otherwise youre just making general accusations with no evidence to back those accusations up.

I just don't understand

I dont understand those who claim the title Christian yet go out into the world to "vote" to have a man rule over them..
When i ponder this with the Lord all i hear is
The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;
In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes
Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail
O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes

For one you focus way to much on what man is doing wrong instead of keeping your eyes in the Lord .
The road is very wide but that gate that gate is narrow..

One cant be swimming in the world willingly and eat with the Lord willingly

One can not have to masters for it will be disobedient to one..

One can not say the Lord can do anything but he change the people that clinge unto Him

I truly hope you take these words into consideration instead of thinking how you can respond that you are right n the Lord is wrong i hope you ponder with the Lord on questions you have and Lay them at His feet..I hope @Rad you come to fall in Love with the Lord just as much as i have..

Anywho

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[Twistie]

There are those who are filled of worldy Love and they have been decieved only The Lord can cure that blindness...
There are those who are filled with a Love for the Lord n the Lord alone and His Love fills them

Understand the two are not the same not at this point in time..

If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

We have free will so we can choose what we want to do..But is that want stronger for the Lord or for your own ways

Lord knew what we would do n what we would choose before we came to be n yet didn't tweek us to force us to do His Will He is A Long Suffering Loving Lord..


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[Twistie]

So where am i "walking in Darkness" and "turning Righteousness into Wormwood", just one or two specific points would suffice, otherwise youre just making general accusations with no evidence to back those accusations up.

How can one claim to Love what they can not see yet cant even see those who need love that are in their own area..
Throwing money at man is not Love it is not seed planting it dangerous for those depending on him to do good with it n it shows laziness on the part of the one throwing it at them in hopes they will do right by them..
Im j.s.

Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord."


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[MedicBravo]

Liberals were simply a bit more corruptable than conservatives. There is well known conservatives that have taken liberal money to stand against trump. Senate republicans are the main holdup to passing the save act which would make sure that liberals would have a much harder time cheating at the polls. Again I say, stop slaving yourself to conservatives. If you dont make Christ alone your master and depend on the Holy Spirit more so, then you will be disapointed in republicans as well, they can be corrupted as well.

Far more corruptible than us by more than "a bit".
In fact, Liberals are more alike in mind and beliefs with Communists than Americans or anything good.

 

[Rad]

What has always been the issue brother, is that not everyone will see the words of Jesus as simple as you appear to make them. When your actions have negative results,

So are you saying brother Nick that each of us should subjectively scrutinise Christs commandments to see if we believe they may cause what we perceive as "Negative results" if we follow them?, and what if we do think they will cause "Negative Results", are we then justified in not following those commandments?.

And if you believe that to be the case, what of Christs teaching in Matthew 7 : 21-27 " 21;“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22;Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23;Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ 24;“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25;The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26;But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27;The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”, and also Christs words in John 14:15 "“If you love Me, keep My commandments”, John 14:21 " “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is He who loves Me”, and John 14 :23-24 " 23;Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24;Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.".

It seems to me that there is no room for "interpretation" or subjectivity in judging if Christs commandments may result in "Negative results", as our Lord and Saviour his teachings and his commandments are the sole arbiter of our thought s and actions and should be followed regardless of what we perceive the results may be.

and from what I can tell this Sister in Christ has mentioned a few of them, and you have not addressed them to her satisfaction. Is it surprising that she might very well see the initiating actions as being the results of something sinister and dark, instead of just you attempting to walk in the truth as best you can?

Could you tell me what those "few" are Brother Nick for i fail to see them, although she has just mentioned voting and giving money to those in need, Is that a reason to believe someone is "possessed" or ruled by "something sinister or dark"?. And even if i disagreed strongly with someone about their views on Christs teachings i doubt if i would regard them as being "possessed" without knowing a lot more about them, and as for them "walking in Darkness", before i said that i'd really want to know why they believed what they did and whether they had relevant Scripture to support their view.

I can't guide you but to say be open and honest in how you address her queries. Understanding that not everyone will be able to see what you are doing in a positive light, for they judge them by the results and not your intentions.

I understand that Brother Nick, and accept in all humility that i may be wrong, but unless we discuss the issue and not just fall back on "possession" or "walking in darkness" then how can i tell. I will discuss with anyone , and if i feel they have a valid point backed up by Christs teachings then i will change my thinking, for isnt that one of the reasons we're here, to understand more fully what it means to be a Follower of Christ in an Evil and suffering world.

With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/

 

[Rad]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Might I ask where you get your information from that they weren't paid? It's pretty much an established fact that George Soros has paid hundreds of protesters over the years, everything anti-Trump of course. And isn't just those in Minneapolis but all over the place.

Why is it, when it's not a hot button subject anymore for the TV, that all the protesters are gone now. If it was such a big item why aren't they still out there?

Hi Bill, I'm not saying they werent paid, I'm asking for your information that they were, you made the claim that the protesters were paid to protest, i'm asking you to substantiate that claim, thanks.

 

[Rad]

You probably havent heard, but liberals funded some far right people to be violent there, it wasnt a natural desire to be violent. That was in Charlotte, and on jan 6th, the liberal government sent out fbi people, over 60 of them to promote violence and be violent themselves, again something liberals have done to try and make it look like patriots are violent. You are listening to liberal propaganda instead of the Holy Spirit.

Hi Brad, i'm not listening to "Liberal propaganda", well i dont think i am, but then its the nature of "propaganda" to disguise its true origin, anyway, i hope that i am indeed listening to the holy Spirit though, and that tells me that ALL humans , and ALL of the institutions they create are Evil and corrupt, i have faith in none of them, but my faith rests in Christ alone and i would call on ALL Christians to owe allegiance to no Government or political party , for ALL are ruled by the Devil and ALL our riddled with Evil and corruption.

But on that point of US Political violence, which i must admit i know very little about, i "googled" it, asking the question, "In US politics, who is the most violent, the Left or the right " and this was the answer, make of it what you will which US political party is the most violent Right-wing extremist violence is more frequent and more deadly than left-wing violence − what the data shows What We Know About Political Violence in America - FactCheck.org the general conclusin is that while there has been a rise in Left wing violence the Right has historically always been more violent.

I am neither left or Right, Conservative or Liberal, i am Christ Centred and try to act and think in accordance with Christs teachings and commandments, i fail miserably because that is the wretched sinner that i am, but i owe allegiance to Christ alone and no Human or human created institution.

Even so, i would be interested for your information to support your claim about the violence in Charlottesville and Washington being instigated by "liberals" and the "FBI", thanks.

 

[Christ4Ever]

So are you saying brother Nick that each of us should subjectively scrutinise Christs commandments to see if we believe they may cause what we perceive as "Negative results" if we follow them?, and what if we do think they will cause "Negative Results", are we then justified in not following those commandments?.

The following is the complete statement of what I said.

What has always been the issue brother, is that not everyone will see the words of Jesus as simple as you appear to make them. When your actions have negative results, and from what I can tell this Sister in Christ has mentioned a few of them, and you have not addressed them to her satisfaction.

Clearer now on what I said and the purpose for what I said?

As far as the rest, again, it depends on how you interpret His words within the context of what He was saying, and to whom He was saying it to. Which of course I've mentioned previously, and had gotten us nowhere, and why it was not part of what I wrote in this particular post.

and from what I can tell this Sister in Christ has mentioned a few of them, and you have not addressed them to her satisfaction. Is it surprising that she might very well see the initiating actions as being the results of something sinister and dark, instead of just you attempting to walk in the truth as best you can?

Could you tell me what those "few" are Brother Nick for i fail to see them, although she has just mentioned voting and giving money to those in need, Is that a reason to believe someone is "possessed" or ruled by "something sinister or dark"?. And even if i disagreed strongly with someone about their views on Christs teachings i doubt if i would regard them as being "possessed" without knowing a lot more about them, and as for them "walking in Darkness", before i said that i'd really want to know why they believed what they did and whether they had relevant Scripture to support their view.

I could, but if I can see them, shouldn't you be able to as well, and if not, shouldn't you be asking the one who presented their own observations to you? Better the actual source who sees x,y,z in you and your actions, then someone who does not see malice in what you are doing but also sees the negative consequences of your actions as you attempt to apply the Lord's words in your life. For it appears that they are impacting negatively everyone else but you. In thinking what our sister has said about you, if you were to see the resulting actions in others, won't you, and don't you see it as darkness because they haven't followed His words regardless of the results/impact on others? (Selah)

I can't guide you but to say be open and honest in how you address her queries. Understanding that not everyone will be able to see what you are doing in a positive light, for they judge them by the results and not your intentions.

I understand that Brother Nick, and accept in all humility that i may be wrong, but unless we discuss the issue and not just fall back on "possession" or "walking in darkness" then how can i tell. I will discuss with anyone , and if i feel they have a valid point backed up by Christs teachings then i will change my thinking, for isnt that one of the reasons we're here, to understand more fully what it means to be a Follower of Christ in an Evil and suffering world.

We can talk about it and we have, and notice we still are however, it still will never negate the actual battle that we are involved in. Consideration must be given to the powers & principalities that you will find spoken up in Ephesians 6 which our Sister in Christ is very aware of.

Your use of doing as to others, tells me that the most important thing in your life is what you are sharing to help others in. I've already told you about the most important thing in my life, and what it is that I try to share, and believe that we all should be doing above all else. Sadly, I fail at it more often than I’d like, so I don’t hold it against you or anyone else for doing what one believes is right through ones understanding of the word of God, even if the results are less than ideal.

As always Brother Steve.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/

 

[Bill]

Hi Bill, I'm not saying they werent paid, I'm asking for your information that they were, you made the claim that the protesters were paid to protest, i'm asking you to substantiate that claim, thanks.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Well I got my information from listening to Facebook news and listening to YouTube news and listening to oan and a bunch of other news sources

I wouldn't consider YouTube news and Facebook news to be exactly conservative news. And yet on Facebook where they were out there videotaping the protesters and the one poster telling the policeman I make more money than you do and then another protester saying I make this much money which is like about a hundred thousand dollars a year of protesting I'm like holy cow maybe I'm in the wrong line of work