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Do the Protesters even know what they are Protesting ( Minneapolis).

Amen Brother! \o/
[1Th 5:23 NIV] 23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.



If that was all we were talking about I'd agree! Except it's not about going where they are at or giving of self, but moving them to someone else's house, so to speak. Giving them of another's sustenance, while giving of your own is fine, and what the Lord is calling for, but taking from another, even if in your eyes or everyone's eyes it is in abundance, doing so without their permission is wrong. That is where our divide is brother. You can't force another to do good. Just like you can't force another to come to Jesus, they must do so humbly, with repentant and open heart.

This is why I have said it's the process, and not the intent that separates us.
I wondered if you applied that principle to other scenarios Brother Nick, do you think its wrong to take money through taxation to pay for military spending or Policing duties even if the person who is being taxed is vehemently opposed to both. If you believe in Democracy and government, of maintaining order within society through laws, then youre going to have to pay for services and the upkeep of those laws even if youre personally opposed to the laws themselves. Or do you believe that each person has a right to decide what they should contribute to and what laws they should obey?.

Its not so much about forcing someone else to do good, for that is a moral decision, its about trying to build as just and ethical society and world as is possible. One of my favourite passages from the Bible is Micah 6:8, for i believe it encapsulates Gods calling on our lives, " For what does the Lord require of you, but to act Justly, to Love Mercy and to walk Humbly with your God", Justice, Kindness and Humility which together with Faith should form the bedrock of our lives.
I see this in you and reading your words professing it. Has me loving you all the more brother!



Therein lies the problem between us. You have stated the problem and it's not the improved housing, clean water, help with their crops etc. The actual problem is the "war, violence, persecution" etc. which is not being solved and what is actually preventing the issues that you have mentioned from being resolved. Until they are which we know won't happen until the return of Lord and Savior Jesus to establish His Kingdom here on Earth, all these things will continue to happen. All you're doing is shifting the consequences of the problems onto someone else, which naturally doesn't make them want to help address the root causes either.
Although War, violence and persecution have a part to play in the suffering of this world the main cause is poverty, the lack of resources, and as Christ depicted in Matthew 25 31-46, we are called on to feed the hungry, provide water for the thirsty, house the homeless, provide medical aid for the sick, help the prisoner and welcome the stranger, indeed , in the form of the poor and oppressed we encounter Christ himself, and whether we help him or not will decide our salvation or condemnation.

And youre right of course Brother Nick, the suffering and the destruction will continue until Christ returns, but until he does return, we must act as he commanded, to love our neighbour as ourselves and treat others as we'd want to be treated. If we are followers of Christ we must build our lives on the Firm rock of his truth and teachings.
Showing love and compassion without tackling the root causes is really just offering a temporary respite. This is especially true when Jesus isn’t part of the picture, which is almost always the case with many organizations that focus on easing the symptoms rather than addressing the real problems, which they don't have the power or inclination to deal with. It's like they will replace the pants that an animal is tearing apart but do nothing about the animal that is the cause of the problem! Nothing in truth has changed or will change! Yet, everyone can say "At least I tried!" :(
We must do both, we must deal with the Poverty and suffering we see all around this world, and we must also address the root causes that cause and allow that poverty to continue. It isnt an either or Brother Nick but Both, "Justice and Mercy", And when we act in Christs name, then Christ is always "part of the picture", when we "let our light so shine before men, that they may see our good works and glorify our Father in heaven". Let our love and compassion be not just in words , but in actions, and let those actions be driven by our love of God and our Man and include both "Justice, Mercy and humility".
Agreed! We're back to what are we doing to take care of the problem! In truth nothing. We're putting it off to someone else, another day, because tackling the root of the problem is too difficult, or we excuse not addressing it, as being beyond our control/power. What needs to be done, was what was done with Slavery! It was aggressive, direct attacks to the cause of/who was creating it/continuing it! Our governments took direct action, because the people, many Christians won't let the government excuse it, or turn a blind eye to what was happening. Only then did the governments start attacking the ships, ports if necessary. So if attacking the countries, changing the government, is the root of the problem in this day and age of misery, then we must if necessary, tackle the inaction of the governments who we fall under.

Helping the actual slaves was secondary to ending the practice, which, in reality, only pushed it underground, where it still exists today. :( Thankfully, it’s no longer as widespread or as visible as it once was. It took generations after dismantling the pipelines before we could help those who came after. Without tackling the root cause, nothing would have truly changed. Instead, bypassing the root cause is just dealing with the symptoms...just putting a band-aid on it. All the while destroying the will/resources needed to fix the actual cause. :(
Which is why we must not only pursue alleviating the suffering of our fellow man but also address the root causes of why that suffering exists. Loving others as we love ourselves and treating others as we'd want to be treated is not just a call to tend to their immediate needs but also a call to Justice. For is not our notion of Justice putting ourselves into anothers situation and asking how would i feel if that was me?. If we do this in Christs name how bright will be the light that shines and how great will be the glorifying of God.
There’s a lot of truth in what you’re saying. They need Jesus—plain and simple. Humanity’s tendency to harm and destroy each other will never end without Him, not just as part of the solution, but as the solution itself. Let go of the guilt, brother—you’re not responsible for the terrible things others choose to do. A lack of love for one another leads to this, and only Jesus can bring real change to anyone. Share the Gospel, and if needed, get their attention by helping them with the symptoms of the problems they may have even contributed to creating, but do not exclude the Gospel. Don’t turn away from them but remember that true salvation comes only through Jesus. Don't just deal with the symptoms without Jesus, because without Him, the root of the problem won't be solved.
We ALL need Jesus Brother Nick, for ALL of us are in need of his compassion and forgiveness, and his truth and understanding. And i cant let go of my Guilt, for i know i am the beneficiary of an evil and corrupt system that puts the majority of the worlds resources into the hands of the priveliged few leaving the mass of humanity to suffer and die in their consequent poverty and deprivation./Their blood is on my hands, i could do and give far more, but my wretched sinfulness , my self interest and lack of self denial and sacrifice prevents me from doing what i know i should. Oh yes, brother Nick, we are ALL in need of Jesus. And the Gospel, Christs teachings, are in all i do, they speak loud and clear as to how my life should be, and my guilt comes from knowing how it is.
No, that is what the flesh craves, but the spirit only my Jesus and Glory Land dear brother! This world only offers, temptation, and a corrupted beauty; that is all. I will not let it take my joy away!
But that is what Christ commands us to do brother Nick, for we are flesh and blood as well as Spirit, and while i understand Christs call that we should "hate our lives and the lives of those around us" because of our sinfulness and corruption, he also says that we should feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, ....... it is not one or the other but both that we are called to minister to.,
When I say this, I am not including my Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus. My hope and joy in Jesus promise me that we will have an Eternity to look forward together with our brethren in a new heavens, with a new earth. I'll not let the darkness which is temporary, and the hardships, the current tribulations we go through, weight me down, nor should it you.

[2Co 4:17-18 KJV] 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory; 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal.
Amen to that Brother Nick, it is indeed my only hope in this suffering world, but unlike yourself i feel little joy in my existence knowing only too well my own sinfulness and the many horrors that are taking place even as i write this. If i am indeed to love my neighbour as myself, then i can only feel their pain and sorrow as i look around at what we've made of Gods Creation.


Know this Brother Steve. With the Love of Christ Jesus, we endure to the very end for the Glory that is to come! Love you Brother!
Amen to that Brother Nick, it is a narrow and hard road we follow but with Gods Love and strength we will endure to the end

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve
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Nick
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